(GID) Youngest In Britain To Be Diagnosed With Gender Identity Disorder (GID)

It's good that the child is not being bullied in school. There will definitely a lot of challenges ahead for child and parents.

Thunderbird,

They seem to be going out of their way to shield Zach, and Zach is still young. SO, like the US economy, TOO EARLY to know ANYTHING!

And I HAVE heard of ways that a male fetus may not change into a male, and the chances of that happening today are THOUSANDS of times greater than a couple decades ago, I haven't heard of any way the reverse could really happen. So you would think that GID would happen in GIRLS more. It is interesting that it doesn't, according to this article.

By default, a fetus would become a girl. It turns out that, until puberty, there wouldn't be any real way to really notice a difference.

Outside of wanting to cut his willy off, you would think that maybe he just doesn't understand. I mean dora the explorer is a cartoon character and doesn't do anything a boy couldn't do, as far as exploring, etc.... Ironically though, if he cut his willy off, the last stage of the transition would be a LOT more difficult, etc...

BTW I'm using willy because it was used THERE, and seems a bit less, well...

Steve

I'm a male, and when I was four I didn't think I was a girl.

When I was four I actually thought I was a wookie. And I wanted my parents to call me Chewbacca. I suppose I had Species Identity Disorder (SID). It was really more like Fictional Species Identity Disorder (FSID).

I'm glad that my parents set me straight. Otherwise I'd have started taking wookie hormones and I'd be covered in brown hair by now.

Let's just wait and see, let's just be happy on what Zach/Zachy wants to be in the future. I just hope that the world won't be cruel to him and accept him for who he is and what he can do. He's still a child, let him enjoy the moment.

Oh lord. What is happening to our poor country. It is getting weirder and weirder every single day.

Aweful parents. When that kid get's to secondary school he will not have a fun time

Both the parents,whatever idiot diagnosed the child, and the child need extensive help

Kim,

Yeah, I also feel something is really wrong there. You REALLY have to wonder here. But WHY would even a female in a male body try to cut the willy off. I mean think about it! It doesn't set things right! It doesn't make you identify with the other group any better. It doesn't help your life any. AND, as I said, ironically, it makes the prospects of a "sex change" operation less likely to have a good outcome.

Yeah, I have to admit, I get curious when I hear people claiming currently impossible things, like "sex change" operations, and I researched it. But they obviously need a certain type of tissue, and nerves, and where else could they get them from.

OK, so zacks actions are illinformed, unjustified, and just illogical, from either viewpoint. And WHY do all these kids seem to be going to such extremes? I mean extremes that a lot of GIRLS wouldn't do in such a case. How many girls go to school, or generally out in public even, with tootoos? Just ask a little girl why she is wearing one sometime, and it is probably because she was taking ballerina classes, some kind of dance class, in a play of some sort, or something similar, and NOT because she generally goes out that way. And it seems to be increasing. It is odd, because a lot of girls don't even wear dresses at this point.

Outside of possible prodding by parents, or some kind of publicity stunt, or some WEIRD malady, the only thing I can think of is that he feels he would be better accepted as a girl, and is trying to push that. Perhaps he feels that somehow he can be easiy changed into a girl. Some kids have ideas that are really out there! BTW psychiatrists generally tell patients everything, and tell them to live some extended period as THAT sex, before recommendng to go any further. Zach really hasn't done ANY of that because at that age, with those special considerations, with the special treatment, etc... it just doesn't count. Now if he were twice the age, and in a school that didn't treat him ANY different, he would start to see what he is in for.

To say dora the explorer triggered this is really out there too! So when will he start speaking spanish? That would be SO much easier than trying to become female! There are girls and women I have admired. It doesn't make me try to be one. And there are certainly men and even boys that girls and women have admired and I NEVER heard one express the desire to be male because of it.

Steve

The child now needs alot of love and care never to be segregated or else it would cause alot of rejection to his par.Apart from that we need to pray for this generation alot.

This issue drives me nuts. I wonder how many people realize that the chemical sunscreens on the market, not to mention other products, have toxic crap in it that causes gender identity confusion. I see women slapping that stuff all over themselves then listen to them bitch about the "morals" of the youth today. Those kids with mommies that were sunscreen junkies then turn around and make their own child's life hell for their gender confusion should sue the pants off their parents.

I suppose if it was my son/daughter I'd support them.

Daniel's right. Children that age are at a very critical point in the development of their identity. Parents should guide their children rather than let the children lead.

Well Johnathan, I just realized something. What haysal said, on its face, sounds a bit silly, Apparently, estrogen can NOT cross the blood brain barrier, but testosterone CAN! Apparently some enzyme in the brain changes testosterone to estrogen, and THAT changes the brain.

NOW for the funny part! MANY products, INCLUDING suntan oils, contain estrogen analogues among those are ones called pythoestrogens. ANYWAY, they can compete with testosterone ***AND*** can flip a switch that turns OFF testosterone! So the changes that happen in the male fetus brain might not happen, or might be affected!

YEAH, it IS confusing BUT......

1. LH is released by ALL pituitaries.
2. In females that triggers the ovaries to create mostly estrogen. The testicles create mostly testosterone.
3. A certain amount of testosterone is converted to DHT. In a fetus, excess DHT triggers male physical primary sexual characteristics.
4. After a certain amount of testosterone is created, ANOTHER enzyme changes it to ESTROGEN.
5. A certain amount of estrogen triggers female secondary characteristics. THAT is why some bodybuilders taking anabolic steroids get breast tissue.
6. A certain amount of testosterone can enter the fetal brain and an enxyme converts it to estrogen triggering male MENTAL characteristics.
7. A certain amount of estrogen then stops the LH, and THAT is why body builders taking testosterone can have testicular atrophy. The estrogen says there is too much testosterone, which reduces LH which reduces testicular activity to produce testosterone. If the testosterone were all natural, the reduction would reduce testosterone, reducing estrogen and increasing LH.

So even though the ingredients, at least from what I know would NOT DIRECTLY cause this, they WOULD trigger events that, at the right point, certainly COULD!

And ALL these things must happen at a certain time! The physical primary sx characteristcs, for example, are obviously practically set in stone early. The mental ones may ALSO. In fact, there is a hormonal surge that happens in males even a few months AFTER birth. Last I heard, they were unsure as to WHY! IT could play a part. It may be best if women, and hopefully men, stay away from ANY artificial products AND estrogens, AND steroids, and so on for a couple months prior to conception to perhaps 6 months after birth!

I ALREADY illustrated how estrogen, testosterone, and related elements can affect the fetus. cialis disables the enzyme that changes testosterone to DHT and is PROVEN to upset the mechanism that creates the male physical primary sex characteristics. It can ALSO upset secondary characteristics.

Steve

I think it is interesting that being a girl is associated with pink tutus and long pigtails. There are actually girls who hate pink and don't play with dolls. They'd rather play with 'boy toys' but they don't want to be boys.

It is a question to which I have never found a satisfactory answer. I do believe there are differences between the two sexes but they are much more complex than toy and color preferences.

Why do so many little girls like pink? Could it be because we start shoving it in their faces from birth? Along with the Disney Princesses ad nauseum.

And I love Steve's reasoning... if Dora the Explorer is his idol, why doesn't he strive to speak other languages.

Pink tee shirt aside, I think Dora embodies positive attributes that would appeal to both sexes; family, adventure, patience, sports and musical activities.

The only way a child could have GID is if we define what makes a girl or a boy. The more of a blur that is and the more tolerance for children exploring who they are, the more likely they are to grow up to what they would best be.

Here is another interesting viewpoint of a very close topic:

Raising a Genderless Child: Possible? : Discovery News

leelee,

I mentioned the language because, as I recall, dora is spanish, and speaks spanish.

Yeah, some of the evolution of clothing I just DON'T understand. My favorite color HAPPENS to be blue. I like a lot of nice dresses that women/girls wear, but it has to do with how it looks on THEM NOT any desire to wear them. Likewise, a lot of women ARE, excuse the pun "pretty in pink". I have no idea how the average woman feels about all of that though.

But, like it or not, Males and Females ARE inately different. In ALL cultures and ALL species, they are different! OFTEN they have some of the same differences.

Steve

WTF is wrong with this world? :rolleyes:

Like a child that young knows right from wrong.

There are aspects to the story that strike me as odd:
1. "Mum Theresa Avery, 32, said her son used to be a 'normal' little boy who loved Thomas the Tank Engine, but suddenly at the end of 2010, he decided he wanted to live as a girl." Why is the phase when he's a normal little boy considered less of a deciding factor than when he started to imagine he was a girl? Why the sudden assumption that this is a permanent phase when the other one wasn't permanent?
2. The kid is still practically a baby. How is it possible to so strongly determine his identity yet?
3. Where is the second opinion? Usually an extreme diagnosis like this should get a 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th opinion from other doctors and institutions. This is a kids' whole life we're referring to. I once had a stretched exterior cruciate ligament in my knee when I was a teenager. A doctor and other experts at his clinic determined that I should get the ligament replaced with an artificial part. We went and got other opinions from different doctors/clinics. They mostly said, do some exercises to tighten up the knee. I opted for the exercises, and many years later my knee is still fine now without an artificial appendage. I wonder what other doctors/clinics would say about this child?

Being a boy or a girl is not something you choose. How hard is that to teach to a child? I have two boys and they understand that they are boy humans and that no matter how they feel, they will always be boys and humans.

It's never too early to teach a child the difference between what's real and what's imaginary. Why are some parents unable to teach this difference to their children?

re: Jackie

Why is a 10 year old wearing makeup and dressing like a hoochie? I'd be a lot more concerned about that than what sex s/he thinks s/he is.

Thunderbird,

Good point! Although I don't see how thomas the tank is necessarily masculine, he didn't seem to think about being a girl. I liked girls for as long as I can recall, which CERTAINLY goes back to 4, and I was fine with being male. And apparently things change around like 8 and 13. So what is so special with FOUR? I can't think of ANYTHING, biologically that could explain that!

On the OTHER hand, I have heard of kids saying that they wanted to even be INANNIMATE objects when they grow up. I guess I could understand how such a person could simply want to be another sex. BUT, when they grow up, those people no longer want to be some inannimate object. Personally, I never understood that. I always wanted to be an electronic engineer. I was on my way, but later decided computers were better.

HOW does a 4yo come to even see gender as a choice? WHY is it so important?

Steve

This is a perfect example of societal influence through a diagnosis that shouldn't happen. 4 year olds don't know enough about the world or society to substantiate a diagnosis of this level. This is another push toward a political agenda to to sell some prescription drugs. All 4 year olds mostly know is some colors, numbers, basic reading, but not how the world works or what is beyond the most elementary of gender roles. They play with their toys and dress how their parents dress them.

If there's any disorder and confusion it's on the parents for making it so complex. This was never an issue until the last few years. It makes me sick that things like this are pushed on kids as if growing up wasn't complex enough.

I've KNOWN a number of tomboys. My mother said SHE was one! You wouldn't know it to look at old pictures of her, etc... They were ALL straight and HAPPY with being female! They were simply not happy with being limited in the way many females WERE! By those standards many girls TODAY might be considered tomboys even though today the base ideas are COMMON!!!!

Steve

As far as 4 year olds go -- if someone had been diagnosing me as a kid, they would have surely called me transgender. I played with boys toys, carried a jack knife, hiked, played boys games, and was a complete daddy's little guy in every way. Then I grew up and I dare say you won't find a man I've ever been close to agreeing that there's a hint of man in me.

Tell the kid he's a boy - show him what boy's roles are, and worry about it when he's old enough to really be certain he's not just having a kid thing. Then if it does turn out he's transgender, gay, or whatever.....accept what you can't change. Do what the deities of a certain religion did and chock it up to "free will" and act like the messiah and find forgiveness if you think it's completely wrong.

Well, Jackie seems to pull it off. I hate to say it, but females get hair under the arms TOO! And breasts are ironically the simplest part. Estrogen would do THAT! Gee, if THAT is all jackie wants!

And NO, Boys WON'T be girls! Maybe SOME will APPEAR to be. The day ALL do, you can start counting down the days till the human species is GONE! Oh well, if they start out soon enough they can at least be closer to girls in appearance and socially, but that denies them the choice really.

Steve

When you are in kindergarten, boys will play with girls and vice versa. It is only when you get to primary school that boys will prefer to stick with boys and girls with girls. I cannot see how Gender Identity Disorder can be diagnosed with certainty at this age.

If he insists on being a girl, why can't he just use the girl's toilet. Surely, if he uses a urinal, that would not be "natural" for a girl.

The other pupils and parents at the kindergarten would not have known about this if his parents have not sold his story to the tabloids. Now he has been outed, there is a real chance that he will be subjected to merciless bullying later on.

Derek,

Good point! If he IS straight(though it appears doubtful, WHO KNOWS), he will be denied the ability to have a straight relationship, and maybe any enjoyment, and YEP, couldn't use the urinal in the way most males are accustomed. Also, he couldn't have any kids. If he is interested in sports and the like, the lines will probably be MUCH longer! Does he know any of that? Probably not. There IS a LOT to consider. Most of it males can really only imagine. He won't experience ALL of the changes to his lifestyle until the very end.

I once went to a HUGE event that had men and women, and a woman actually stopped me to ask me what the secret was! The women had MORE restrooms, and yet they STILL had to wait in long lines, and the mens restrooms seemed to have less traffic. Women got SO fed up, in california, that they passed a law that women could use mens restrooms in some circumstances! BTW, there are probably over 5 reasons! 2 are physical, meaning men often go faster and less often.(urinals, and going an average of 20% less often) At least 2 are cultural causing women to take longer.(makeup, and the idea of going together) I believe there is another reason that slows down some women.(some clothing) It certainly isn't a conspiracy though.

Steve

Well, at any rate. If the little guy turns out to grow up and be a real guy - he can always turn things around by suing the snot out of Mommy and Daddy and selling the story in the news so everyone will know he was just an abused little boy.