Mexican flag replaces American flag at school-what do you think

Hi, Valerie,

Expressing an opinion so publicly has to be a good thing - especially if it gets people talking about it three years later.

At least you can display your national flag. In the UK, displaying the Union Flag without a permit (and they are almost impossible to get>) is against the law. Brits are just fortunate that the law is not enforced during celebrations.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

What? Brits aren't allowed to display their own flag w/o a permit?

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Sleaklight

15 years ago

It is so wrong to replace the American flag. I am a Mexican born here in the USA and I would never fly the Mexican flag here much less replace the American flag with it. I agree with your comment that if they love Mexico so much, they should move back. My parents are also against such actions.

Now, if such actions happened in Mexico, lots of people would be in jail right now. In Mexico you can not mistreat the Mexican flag in any way what so ever. Hence they don't do flag burning like they do here in the USA. They would be subject to a lovely beating and torturing for such disrespect

(I have a relative who resides in Mexico and he decided to wipe his car dry with a old torn mexican flag and well, he ended up in the hospital and 6 months in jail for his actions) They should enact such law here imo. If you are here in the USA, respect the flag to it's fullest.

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Ken Strong

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Sleaklight

Now, if such actions happened in Mexico, lots of people would be in jail right now. In Mexico you can not mistreat the Mexican flag in any way what so ever. Hence they don't do flag burning like they do here in the USA.

When was the last time you saw anyone burning an American flag? (By the way, burning it is the proper way to dispose of an American flag when it's worn out -- how many of you super-patriots knew that already?)

They would be subject to a lovely beating and torturing for such disrespect

(I have a relative who resides in Mexico and he decided to wipe his car dry with a old torn mexican flag and well, he ended up in the hospital and 6 months in jail for his actions)

You think that's a good thing? That's the kind of thing they'd do to you in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union if you disrespected the government.

The flag is a piece of cloth, a symbol. You don't go into a restaurant and start chewing on the menu, do you? Can you tell the difference between a symbol and the real thing?

The politicians love it when people get distracted by trivial non-issues like this... they can earn cheap brownie points by grandstanding about the sacredness of the flag, and meanwhile no one notices while they loot the treasury, approve torture, our soldiers getting killed in two wars, economy down the toilet, etc etc...

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Originally Posted by KenStrong

The politicians love it when people get distracted by trivial non-issues like this... they can earn cheap brownie points by grandstanding about the sacredness of the flag, and meanwhile no one notices while they loot the treasury, approve torture, our soldiers getting killed in two wars, economy down the toilet, etc etc...

I have to disagree. I think a LOT of people notice the war in Iraq, all the soliders who are dead, all the kids who will never know their Dad cause he was killed why "bringing democracy to Iraq" and the approval or torture. And the ppl who lost their friends and family members in the war don't care? Don't notice? Is that what you're saying? Most are against this, but what do they care? The president and CIA approved it. Speak for yourself, but don't tell anyone else what they do or don't care about.

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TimPhelan 15 years ago

That was my response also Ken. So Sleaklight is OK with his relative getting beat up and going to jail over cleaning his car with a rag that happened to be a flag? We don't want laws like that here.

Originally Posted by KenStrong

You think that's a good thing? That's the kind of thing they'd do to you in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union if you disrespected the government.

By the way, the person who did that to the flags was a student. Not the school. And they were disciplined three years ago. Lesson to be learned here is to not believe all viral emails.
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15 years ago

This a all part of a plan.
The government keeps poking Americans with sharp sticks.
Riots and revolution is embraced
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HeySal

15 years ago

Uh -- an upside down flag is a distress signal.....with the Mexican flag over it the message should have been read for us to view Mexico as a dangerous enemy........looks like most people just misunderstood the message sent. True patriots in old world style would have started shooting them as such as soon as the distress signal was seen.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

There you are Sal, I was looking for you. I agree, good thing this didn't happen when the "true patriots in old world style" would have been there.

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Adaptive

15 years ago

How would I know it happened 3 years ago?

Perhaps by using Google. I typed in "Montebello high school flag" and the very first result included the very emotionally hot emails, along with the facts of the matter: which are that on one particular day, students from a different school did the flag change without any consent from Montebello High administration, faculty or students.

Total time spent investigating: under one minute.

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valerieSONORA 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Adaptive

Perhaps by using Google.

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I'm not going to google the info in every single email I get. If that's your thing, then go for it. It's not mine.
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Adaptive

15 years ago

Edited 4/26 to remove the part not relevant to Montebello High. I request that other participants also edit or delete their messages that are not about either Montebello High, or about whether and how to validate rumors.

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Sleaklight

15 years ago

Originally Posted by KenStrong

When was the last time you saw anyone burning an American flag? (By the way, burning it is the proper way to dispose of an American flag when it's worn out -- how many of you super-patriots knew that already?)

You think that's a good thing? That's the kind of thing they'd do to you in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union if you disrespected the government.

The flag is a piece of cloth, a symbol. You don't go into a restaurant and start chewing on the menu, do you? Can you tell the difference between a symbol and the real thing? ...

There is a difference between proper disposal and protest burning. When was the last time I saw this, today at an Armenian protest.
I am not talking about disrespecting the government, I am talking about the flag, the symbol of the nation. Can you tell the difference on that?

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

That was my response also Ken. So Sleaklight is OK with his relative getting beat up and going to jail over cleaning his car with a rag that happened to be a flag? We don't want laws like that here...

Yes, I am alright with it. I hold high patriotic values and do feel everyone should respect their countries flags and not treat them as garbage. There are tons of other garments that can be used to clean a car.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Adaptive

In that case, it is your thing to spread unsubstantiated rumors without even a single minute to bother discovering whether or not they're true. Good grief, how can someone who does that point a finger of blame and shame - as you did against Montebello High as an institution for something they didn't even do, and that happened years ago?

How would you like it if someone attacked and defaced your property, then years later strangers who couldn't be bothered to do one damn minute of fact checking asked everyone they know to forward a message that attacked you... as though you were the one who choose to damage your own property and intimidate the neighbors?

You published:

The gist is, that's an out and out lie, smearing the reputation the victims, and spread again - years after the incident - because someone thinks it's too much work to even ask what the truth is before attacking the reputation of strangers.

This is absolutely appalling, unethical behavior. Standards of decency, and laws of libel, do not evaporate when violated by email.

I'm taking out my usual "Regards" signature, because I can't have kind regards for someone who thinks laziness, hubris and arrogance are excusable whenever doing the right thing takes a mere minute of thoughtful consideration.

When email and the Internet were new, getting caught up in the kind of viral nonsense you forwarded was excusible by ignorance. Today, Google and Snopes make it so simple and easy to discover the facts of email-forwarded rants. There is no excuse for perpetuating ignorance and building ill will towards the innocence, merely due to one's own laziness.

Allen

You sound quite angry. Is your blood pressure going up? You might need to check it and see. You are a little too bitter and angry for a post about a Mexican flag over an upside down American flag. Why so angry? And you are taking "Montebello High School" as if it's a direct attack to you personally LOL You are reacting as if someone was defaming you personally. Do you have a connection to Montebello high school or do you get riled up so easily all the time? I'm sure the high school is doing just fine so your anger and bitterness is in vain.

You might want to get a pet, they can reduce blood pressure. Or you may want to schedule an appt. with your Dr. There are meds for this you know. Anger problems can lead to heart problems.

And I don't believe for a second that you googled something, found a relevent article instead of opinion and read the whole article in less than a minute. Yeah, right. :rolleyes: And I'm Michelle Obama. Try something more believable next time.

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Star69

15 years ago

Mexican sympathizers in the US are just as bad as the Mexicans, within or without the U.S., who call for the overthrow of the United States and should be dealt with accordingly as enemies.

Valerie bringing this 'three-year-old' email back is just as pertinent today as it was then, if not even more so today.

If you refuse to do anything to protect what freedoms you now have, you do not deserve the benefits of those freedoms.

Political correctness and our own ignorance of the past will be our downfall.

Everyone jumping on Valerie for not checking with Snopes should look in the mirror, because you will NOT convince me that you have not done the very same thing!

Thank you for reminding us, Valerie, of this ever-present threat to our sovereignty. I think it's time for public schools to remind U.S. students that the U.S. flag is to be respected and teach them a bit of U.S. flag etiquette! I see far too many smiling faces in the crowd in that picture not doing a damned thing to remove those flags from that pole. In that respect those Montebello students are just as guilty as the students who placed those flags up there in that manner.

Yes, Sal, an upside down American flag is a sign of distress. This country has been in distress from our southern neighbors and their American sympathizers for far too long!

Our ancestors fought against the entire might of the British Empire in the Revolutionary War and kicked them out of this country. Mexico needs to pay attention to the history of the United States very closely, because we are not a bunch of French soldiers running from peasants armed with pitchforks.

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jacktackett 15 years ago

I think its time for PARENTs to teach their children things like respect (including self respect).

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... I think it's time for public schools to remind U.S. students that the U.S. flag is to be respected and teach them a bit of U.S. flag etiquette!
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artwebster

15 years ago

What a lot of chatter about the American flag, some of it quite bitter.

Be grateful that you can display your flag - even if it does represent the most feared nation in the world. Before you all knee-jerk yourselves to death, ley me just make a simple observation. The flag has become more than a symbol to many Americans. It has taken on an iconoclastic existence because of the lack of anything else to be proud to support.

As such it is no longer an indication of national pride, it seems to have become an open challenge to anybody else to suggest that you should not be displaying it or that you should be treating it the holy grail. Your national flag is becoming as inviolate as the Q'uran is to Moslems.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

This was something that I was basically asking your opinions on and I don't know why a few people took it so personally like they were personally being attacked. Even sleaklight, who is Mexican didn't get all upset over it.

I didn't know a simple flag issue and giving my opinion and asking others their thoughts would be such a big huge deal or I wouldn't have even bothered to post it. I thought ppl could give their opinion in a calm manner and not get bent out of shape.

Thanks for sticking up for me Star. Not checking the date something happened is no reason to get all bitter and angry. And even if it was 10 years ago I could still post it.

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myob 15 years ago

As a military veteran, I am glad to see the American flag hung upside down, burned, and trampled on by its own citizens. That is what freedom is all about. Veterans have fought and died so we can have this freedom to treat the American flag as a rag. Good going.

President Ronald Reagan told this joke about a conversation with then Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev. "Mr Gorbachev, Americans enjoy many freedoms you will not allow, such as criticizing the President and burning American flags." The Soviet leader said, "You are wrong, Mr President. Soviet citizens do have these same exact freedoms to criticize the American president and burn your flag."
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BlackWaterBlog

15 years ago

That is downright disrespect, especially flipping the American flag over upside down when you aren't in distress.

If you live in this country, it's flag should be right side up and be the first one on the pole or anywhere.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Yep, I'm here alright Val - having fun getting roasted? LOL.

Uh...as far as I know I didn't see you bring up anything that was trying to deframe anyone or start a fire over a dead issue - I took it you were just asking for a few opinions.
LMAO - you got em, eh? Too bad people will feel this strong over a piece of cloth but turn their heads and cough when their legislators start making unconstitutional laws or when told that it is a GOOD thing to welcome illegals and put up with the financial and other destruction. (before you chew - I didn't say IMMIGRANTS - I said ILLEGALS).

Get some priorities people.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

LOL Sal yeah it's been fun. Interesting seeing such bitter and angry responses from a few over asking for opinions. Looks like you and some others saw it for what it was.

Now the unconstitutional laws...that's very scary and another issue. There should be a law that unconstitutional laws can't be made lol

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myob 15 years ago

Val, admit it. You are an instigator; trying to incite a riot. Don't say you were just trying to get opinions. I know you, and you are are secretly plotting for the downfall of the government and rule the world under the Mexican flag. You are not fooling anyone with your fake Photoshop altered pictures and spreading debunked propaganda. Get a life.
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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

You got me myob. What tipped you off? I need to take an advanced course in inciting riots for world takeover.

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myob 15 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

You got me myob. What tipped you off? I need to take an advanced course in inciting riots for world takeover.

Who do you think you are kidding, Valerie Sonora, aka Valerie Plame, aka Valerie E. Wilson, aka Valerie Plame Wilson, aka Valerie De La Razon and many others. You are not fooling me at all.

Here are the facts. Valerie worked in the CIA from 1985-2005 as a covert operative on weapons of mass destruction with the Iraqis. She was exposed and outed by the Bush administration, and is trying to sue the government in revenge for losing her job. Being extremely pissed off, Valerie is using her CIA training in cooperation with the Mexican government to take over the world. This plot is working, as more illegals are entering the country than ever before with impunity. The CIA should have realized never make a woman like Valerie so angry.

The Mexican insurgents' alliance leader is known to them as her alias, Valerie De la Razon, who has the connections and training to bypass all legal obstacles and seductively corrupting government officials. Putting Mexican flags on public schools, and using children for propaganda is only the beginning. The rebel uprising in Mexico is now spreading north into the United States and will soon meet with existing subversive rebel forces within the US and invade Canada. Using the captured resources of the US and Canadian arsenals, Valerie plans on moving these forces into South America, and continuing with the over run of China, India, Russia, and Europe. With the military of the major countries under her control, the invasion and occupation of the remaining countries will be swift.

The New World Order is coming, and the global currency will be the peso. Don't let these little surveys of hers fool you. She is building alliances for the subversive takeover of the world and the red, white, and green flag of Mexican supremacy will wave on every continent as the only world super power. Habla Espanol?
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John M Kane

15 years ago

Well I thoroughly enjoy Val's posts.
No need to second guess what is on your knoggin'

I don't recall hearing this 3 years ago so, it's news to me.

Keep 'em coming you "Dangerous Female" blogger

Not sure going from annoyed to Dangerous is good.

HAHA "get a pet" ...lovely.

I detest our government slimebucket-criminal-shoot you in the face and get away with it-good ole boy's club and also detest seeing disrespect to our "Country" which is very different.

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Adaptive

15 years ago

And I don't believe for a second that you googled something, found a relevent article instead of opinion and read the whole article in less than a minute. Yeah, right. :rolleyes: And I'm Michelle Obama. Try something more believable next time.

I told you the exact phrase that I used to search Google.

I'm a fast typist, a fast reader, and very proficient at searching, from my previous decades of work as a software engineer.

The Google search returned in about half a second, and the Snopes article was at the top. I already knew about Snopes, so I picked that link.

The Snopes article loaded within about a second, since I'm using an up to date computer and broadband.

I'm familiar with the structure of Snopes articles. They repeat the rumor at the top of the page, then they explain the facts.

I saw at a glance that the article was indeed about the same email you sent.

I paged down a screenful at a time, scanning for the word "origins", until I saw the Snopes "origins" heading. If I'd remembered that Snopes uses this keyword, I could have searched for it. As it was, it took a few seconds to scan down each screenful's left margin looking at the Snopes section headings, until I found the relevant heading.
There were about three sentences to read.

Total time was less than a minute.

You can replicate the experience using the description I gave above. If you have an old computer, a dial-up connection, slow typing speed, and slow reading speed, it might take as much as five minutes.

It's interesting that when I explained how it's easy to prove whether or not something is true online, you accused me of lying. Well, I just explained how to repeat my process, in about the same amount of time. Now you have step by step instructions, and you can look up for yourself.

Edited 4/26 to remove the part not relevant to Montebello High. I request that other participants also edit or delete their messages that are not about either Montebello High, or about whether and how to validate rumors.

I invite other Warrior Forum readers to follow my step by step instructions and report on how long it takes them to replicate my results.

I also did a Google search for "montebello high school". The school's web site was the top search result. I clicked the link for the site from the Google results, and the home page loaded within a few seconds. I scanned the page, looking for the school's contact information. At the bottom of the page, I found the telephone number. As I'm writing this on Saturday, I didn't try calling the school. But as you wrote on Friday, you could have tried to contact them before getting upset about their alleged wrongdoing.

Again, I invite other Warrior Forum readers to follow my step by step instructions and report on how long it takes them to replicate my results.

I have proven that it takes only a few minutes to identify whether or not an exciting claim about alleged wrongdoers is the truth. Perhaps you weren't aware of how to do this kind of searching.

Edited 4/26 to remove the part not relevant to Montebello High. I request that other participants also edit or delete their messages that are not about either Montebello High, or about whether and how to validate rumors.

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Adaptive

15 years ago

You sound quite angry.

Yes, I'm angry.

Edited 4/26 to remove the part not relevant to Montebello High. I request that other participants also edit or delete their messages that are not about either Montebello High, or about whether and how to validate rumors.
I believe the original post that started this thread was wrong in spreading a false rumor. I apologize for the dog comment, that was over the top when I was angry.

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Adaptive

Yes, I'm angry. Anger is the emotion that occurs when someone identifies injustice, and wishes to apply energy towards combating injustice.

It is injustice to spread lies, false accusations, misinformation, unfounded libelous rumors, deceit and maliciously careless slander against innocent people.

Now you know how Valerie feels. But she is channeling her anger constructively by taking over the world instead of just complaining.

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Star69

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Adaptive

Yes, I'm angry.

Uh-oh, now you've done it, Valerie. Allen's angry!
Hey, Allen, do you think anyone on this forum cares? Nope!

You control your anger or your anger controls you. Which one is it going to be?

Originally Posted by Adaptive

Well, troll, you got some reactions alright.

Allen, guess you didn't get the memo regarding NAME CALLING! Besides, who's the real troll? You've only been here a bit more than a MONTH (March 2009) and you've already got 429 posts?!

Originally Posted by Adaptive

I believe that getting a cheap shot of entertainment at the expense of innocent people's reputation is immoral and psychologically unhealthy.

So what's your point, that you can make a mountain out of a molehill? :rolleyes: Your posts are cheap entertainment, in my opinion, so please, keep 'em coming!

Originally Posted by Adaptive

I can provide outstandingly reputable references supporting these standards of ethics and psychological health. But common sense is enough.

What?! You said you can provide outstandingly reputable references supporting these standards of ethics and psychological health ---- DO IT!
Don't try to weasel out by saying common sense is enough. Put your money where your mouth is or keep quiet, eh? Let's see those references, wiseguy. (I'm serious. Post them!)

Originally Posted by Adaptive

By the way, my blood pressure has returned to a comfortable, calm level. That's because I used anger as it should be used: to powerfully take a stand against injustice, by standing up for what's right.

Oh, puhleeeze!

Originally Posted by Adaptive

You will never again be taken seriously on this forum as a source of political information. Your trolling ways and unethical arrogance have been exposed. Once the pitbull is muzzled, its bark is irrelevant.

Again with the name calling! Now she's a pitbull? Excuse me but I find calling another member of this forum, especially a female member in much better standing than you presently, a dog, just about warrants an infraction...keep it up. My finger's on the button.

And good Lord, I hope you don't come to forums to get your political information!

Her trolling ways? Again, who's the troll here?

You have every right to make posts here and I would hope you continue to do so (I need the entertainment... :rolleyes: and by the way, just so you know, don't judge me by my post count. I've been on this forum for at least the last five years.)

But you do NOT have any right to call someone a troll, a dog, a pitbull or any other name meant in a derogatory and mean-spirited manner.

Being angry is not an excuse. I would advise you, sir, to step away from your computer and not post while angry. You will most certainly get yourself in trouble on this forum.

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myob 15 years ago

Allen is ok now. But Val is still mad that someone took down her Mexican flag.
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Adaptive

15 years ago

But she is using her anger constructively by taking control of the world.

Hahaha!

B: See, once we get people upset enough about the Montebello High School Incident, there will be riots in the streets, I tell you... and then, they will have no choice but to bow to ME as their ruler!
P: That's nice, Brain, but where are we going to find ten thousand piñatas on a Friday evening? NARF!

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15 years ago

Not to mention the bartender shuts you off till tommorrow...

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Ken Strong 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Not to mention the bartender shuts you off till tommorrow...

Just a goddam minute! Talk about unconstitutional...
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Star69

15 years ago

Well, darn it, Paul, she should've known better! That's waaaay too close to the border! She could've found any number of Mexican flags in Minnesota.

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15 years ago

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Michael Ellis

15 years ago

It's disrespectful. No, nobody should burn at a stake for it, or go to jail, or pay a fine, or get punched in the face, etc, etc, etc. This is a free country. It's just disrespectful... Honestly, it was probably the work of an idiot.

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myob 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Ellis

... it was probably the work of an idiot.

They are not idiots. Making such a careless broad racial slur like that against the illegal Mexican aliens who are merely trying to take over the US government and the world is politically incorrect. You should be ashamed of yourself and bow down in apology to the red, white, and green flag of Mexican Imperialism. Viva la revolucion!
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Adaptive

15 years ago

Star69, I believe your questions and concerns about me deserve a thoughtful response.

Your concerns don't have anything to do rioters from another high school invading Montebello High three years ago to fly the Mexican flag.

Therefore, I'll start a new thread in the off topic forum, called "Star69 corrects Allen." I invite you to join me there.

In this way, I'll leave this thread available for further discussion of Valerie's concerns about the Montebello High incident itself.

Edited 4/26 because my responses to Star69's were removed. Apparently it's OK for him to have these questions and challenges for me, but not for me to answer him. I do have the citations he requested.

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15 years ago

I gave in to peer pressure...

Frankly, I'm sick of people calling me MAC. Mac was my grandfather.

(Secretly I don't mind at all, I kind of think it's cool, I loved me some grandpa)

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

LOL well if this thread continues let it continue with people preferably of 3 digit IQs. I've put the newbie troll with high b/p and a cluster of personality disorders on ignore so he can rant, rave, wet his pants, etc. all he wants and I can't see a single word he says. YaaaY for ignore

Myob-I'd never go to Minnesota-too cold. When I take over the world under the Mexican flag my base will be Hawaii

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15 years ago

Please let this post stand.

I have edited my posts to remove almost everything from me that's negative about Valerie. I have left in my concern that she should have used Google and/or Snopes to validate a rumor before spreading it. I have also left in one joke post responding to a comment from user "myob."

I still believe the original post starting this thread was about stirring up emotions, not about the truth. Perhaps I should have taken my "troll" concern to a moderator rather than responding in the forum. However I was over the line with my "dog" reference and I apologize for that.

Valerie made attempted diagnoses of my physical condition ("high blood pressure") and psychological condition (low IQ and "a cluster of personality disorders").

I'm fine with her announcing that she's set the software to not show her my posts.

However, I respectfully request that her particular post be removed or edited to withdraw these unfounded personal attacks against me.

I will not flag that post myself.

I request that other participants edit their posts to remove the heated part of the interaction between Valerie, Star 69, myob and myself.

I would welcome a personal message from a moderator or from other participants about any of these matters.

Star 69, please let me know if you would like a private message answering your request for third party citations. Apparently it is not allowed for me to answer your concerns in the forum.

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acreativetouch

15 years ago

One day, my daughter and I saw a house with a huge Mexican flag being flown over an American flag which was upside down. I called the police who told me that there was nothing they could do as it wasn't a crime. A few days later, teh Mexican flag and American flag were taken down.

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Ken Strong

15 years ago

Originally Posted by acreativetouch

Valerie, those who criticized you for posting that need to go back to mexico.

You also mentioned the US Constitution in your post -- you should read it sometime.

Everyone loves freedom of speech until someone they disagree with exercises it.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by KenStrong

You also mentioned the US Constitution in your post -- you should read it sometime.

Everyone loves freedom of speech until someone they disagree with exercises it.

Everyone has the right to express how they feel. So is my expression any less valid than those with whom I disagree? I am not inciting violence, or disrespecting any people. Only stating that to disrespect the nation's flag within that nation is a deportable crime....ANYWHERE, but in the US.

That's very, very sad.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by acreativetouch

...most of the schools in LA are run by mexicans. ... LA is a political safe-city for illegal immigrants from any nation and has declared soverignty from the US and the US Constitution. dorothy

ROFLMAO !!

Hahahaha, heehee, hahaha! Viva la Revolucion! Viva Mexico! Bow and salute to the mighty Mexican imperialistic empire flag - the red, white, and blue, oops no - green. The march on the rest of the US and the world is being planned beneath LA City Hall by our so called "mayor", Antonio Villaraigosa, a general in the Mexican Imperial Revolutionary Forces.

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acreativetouch

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

I've always found it amazing that our government can now brag about what a freedom loving people we are and that it's our job to police the rest of the world.

Tina G

Yea, when you look at US history, the "colonists" left ( or were thrown out ) their home nations --- because of various reasons, especially cultural or religious intolerance. Yet, many came over here as slaves or "indentured servants" which ment that your servitude could be purchased ( if you had the money ) after a set period of time. I agree that it's tragic that they ( nor we ) learned the lessons of why we left to begin with. In regard to Mexico, they can thank General Santa Ana for loosing California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas. Now with the Native Americans....that was just plain genocide.

It's not the job of the USA to police the world. We need to get out of other nation's conflicts, let them take care of their own people and we need to take care of our people here. I have no problem with other nationalities coming here----as long as it is within our established immigration structure which as stood and worked quite well for 180 years. I'm only a fourth generation American myself.

I expected to get flamed...that's ok. Anyway, we need to do what other nations do...have secure borders, and keep track of population who comes in and out of the nation. Why should someone come across from Mexico or Canada ( you don't hear a lot about illegal Canadians, do you? ) freely.......when we get stopped at the border and are REQUIRED TO HAVE OUR PASSPORT? Am I missing something?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by acreativetouch

Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing a few marbles. About 8,000 years ago, flags were made out of volcanic rocks. The California State flag, a bear, was created 8,000 years ago out of volcanic rock by one of California's first human inhabitants. That was way before the Spanish stole it from the natives and planted their own stupid looking flag. When we stole California from the Mexicans, after they stole it from the Spanish, we made our flag just like the first inhabitants had intended over 8,000 years ago.

California's First Flag

This really makes me so angry I can hardly contain myself.
Viva la revolucion, Viva la Mexico! Vive le revolution!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

Wasn't that the war that started because Santa Ana was pissed off that the "gringoes" were squatting all over Mexican territory? Sounds like armed robbery to me.

No, the Californios were not all in favor of joining the US. Most of them didn't get a choice in the matter. Mexico signed the land over to the US as part of the settlement of their defeat.

Tina G

Tina, The US PAID Mexico for California.

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, signed on February 2, 1848, marked the end of the Mexican-American War. In that treaty, the United States agreed to pay Mexico $18,250,000.

( source: History of California to 1899 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ). Yes, Mexico lost the war. But they were compensated quite a bit. if you consider that a horse cost $40.00, a pair of shoes, $2.00...the US dollar was worth a lot more.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Yes, you are missing a few marbles. About 8,000 years ago, flags were made out of volcanic rocks. The California State flag, a bear, was created 8,000 years ago out of volcanic rock by one of California's first human inhabitants. That was way before the Spanish stole it from the natives and planted their own stupid looking flag. When we stole California from the Mexicans, after they stole it from the Spanish, we made our flag just like the first inhabitants had intended over 8,000 years ago.

California's First Flag

This really makes me so angry I can hardly contain myself.
Viva la revolucion, Viva la Mexico! Vive le revolution!

Interesting article. I always thought it was drawn by a guy who couldn't draw a bear worth a flip. It ended up being the flag. I think it's cool if it's based on paleo-art. yes, it's CRAPPY what the 19th century caucasian's did to the Indians. However what they did to the Chinese is also crappy, and the Irish, and the Italians, and the Polish....what group didn't get slammed? You can be mad....I'll take it as an honor that the representation of California went to those who deserve it...the chumash.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

ROFLMAO !!

Hahahaha, heehee, hahaha! Viva la Revolucion! Viva Mexico! Bow and salute to the mighty Mexican imperialistic empire flag - the red, white, and blue, oops no - green. The march on the rest of the US and the world is being planned beneath LA City Hall by our so called "mayor", Antonio Villaraigosa, a general in the Mexican Imperial Revolutionary Forces.

Don't you think you're exposing the plan a little too early? Is the world ready for this now?

The Mexican flag will be the flag of the new world order, the entire world will bow to it and I'm thinking of changing the one world language from Spanish to French(like how is sounds better)....decisions, decisions.

Hasta luego

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Don't you think you're exposing the plan a little too early? Is the world ready for this now?

The Mexican flag will be the flag of the new world order, the entire world will bow to it and I'm thinking of changing the one world language from Spanish to French (like how is sounds better)....decisions, decisions.

Hasta luego

Well, since tomorrow, April 27, is Confederate Memorial Day, we should have the Confederate flag on top of all the flag poles and both the Mexican and American flags hung upside down below it. That would get everyone so pissed off, they may have a brain aneurysm or stroke and forget all about this premature release of the plan for world takeover. You have already demonstrated in this post just how easy it is to manipulate sheeple's emotions and behavior. May 10 is another Confederate Memorial Day for some southern states, which provides another opportunity to hoist the Confederate flag and cause even more diversionary aberrant behavior among the sheeple.

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

How dare you post something that happened 500 years ago to incite riots and get people worked up over this while the government is doing evil things in secret?!?! LOL

You need people to forget all about your plan for global conquest.
Viva la revolucion! Viva la Mexico! Vive le revolution!

"Every generation needs a revolution" - Thomas Jefferson.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Well, since tomorrow, April 27, is Confederate Memorial Day

Yep....and we already have a big stink going on down here at the moment....Black official removes graves' Confederate flags | TimesDaily.com | The Times Daily | Florence, AL

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15 years ago

Texas also has their own Confederate Memorial day on January 19, 2010. Rednecks need to be treated a little bit different. On January 19, the Mexican Flag should be flown on top, then the following flags all hung upside down: Texas State flag, Confederate flag, US flag, and the McDonalds flag. That is the best way to get 'em all riled up and fight'n riot'n mad. While they're preoccupied with rioting among themselves, it would easy peasy to just steal their state right from under 'em before they even know what happened.

Viva la revolucion! Viva la Mexico! Vive le revolution!

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

On January 19, the Mexican Flag should be flown on top, then the following flags all hung upside down: Texas State flag, Confederate flag, US flag, and the McDonalds flag. That is the best way to get 'em all riled up and fight'n riot'n mad. While they're preoccupied with rioting, it's easy to steal their state right from under 'em.

Viva la revolucion, Viva la Mexico! Vive le revolution!

Ohhh brilliant idea!!! LOL Maybe the PETA flag should be added too.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Yep....and we already have a big stink going on down here at the moment....Black official removes graves' Confederate flags | TimesDaily.com | The Times Daily | Florence, AL

I hope they sue him and call for a recall from office for his actions.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Well, since tomorrow, April 27, is Confederate Memorial Day, we should have the Confederate flag on top of all the flag poles and both the Mexican and American flags hung upside down below it. That would get everyone so pissed off, they may have a brain aneurysm or stroke and forget all about this premature release of the plan for world takeover. You have already demonstrated in this post just how easy it is to manipulate sheeple's emotions and behavior. May 10 is another Confederate Memorial Day for some southern states, which provides another opportunity to hoist the Confederate flag and cause even more diversionary aberrant behavior among the sheeple.

HAHAHAHA yeah tomorrow everyone go put up the Confederate flag on top of an upside down American and Mexican flag LOLOL That should control the overpopulation problem with people or sheeple dropping dead from heart attacks, strokes, or brain aneurysms. Brilliant idea hahahaha It would even make headlines LOLOL

To be safe, you better go do it tonight when no one sees you cause you don't wanna be shot LOL

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by acreativetouch

The US PAID Mexico for California.

Originally Posted by acreativetouch

In regard to Mexico, they can thank General Santa Ana for loosing California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas.

It wasn't exactly a 'normal' land sale deal and they can "thank" James Polk (not Santa Ana, who was in exile when war broke out), as it was the U.S. who declared war on Mexico and not the other way round: At a time of heightened tensions with Mexico over the annexation of Texas (which was itself formed when a Mexican State went into rebellion and declared independence, an event that was preceeded by an influx of what would today be called illegal immigrants from the U.S. and Europe until they outnumbered Mexicans by more than 10 to 1), Polk, who was an expansionist, sent a secret representative to Mexico to try to buy California and New Mexico for $30 million.

When that was refused, he increased pressure on the Mexicans by sending troops to a disputed area between the Rio Grande and another river I can't remember the name of and then used the resultant clashes to justify a declaration of war.

After the war, as the occupying military power, the U.S. got to dictate the terms of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and, instead of what it originally wanted, it got 55% of pre-war Mexico (excluding Texas) for about $15 million.

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15 years ago

Now, where's my California History book?

dorothy

Originally Posted by Thomas

It wasn't exactly a 'normal' land sale deal and they can "thank" James Polk (not Santa Ana, who was in exile when war broke out), as it was the U.S. who declared war on Mexico and not the other way round: At a time of heightened tensions with Mexico over the annexation of Texas (which was itself formed when a Mexican State went into rebellion and declared independence, an event that was preceeded by an influx of what would today be called illegal immigrants from the U.S. and Europe until they outnumbered Mexicans by more than 10 to 1), Polk, who was an expansionist, sent a secret representative to Mexico to try to buy California and New Mexico for $30 million.

When that was refused, he increased pressure on the Mexicans by sending troops to a disputed area between the Rio Grande and another river I can't remember the name of and then used the resultant clashes to justify a declaration of war.

After the war, as the occupying military power, the U.S. got to dictate the terms of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and, instead of what it originally wanted, it got 55% of pre-war Mexico (excluding Texas) for about $15 million.

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15 years ago

I see the thread 'devoted' to me is gone. Oh, well. Fame can be fleeting.

Someone just got schooled. Lessons being learned?

Yes, the U.S. battled them and took that land, and if they want it back they're going to have to fight for it just like we did. Hope they bring more than pitchforks.

For a lesson on freedom taught by the master himself, please see my 'Star69 has made his 69th post' thread. It's a free download for Warriors, and quite timely, I might add.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Careful Star, that is 200 something years old! Some ppl will be mad about that since it didn't happen in the last 48 hours lol

People get mad if you post something from 3 yrs ago, imagine 200+ years. Hmm I feel an urge to post something 500 years old ha!

Aww, did your fame go away already? Don't worry I'll make a thread just for you one day lol

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15 years ago

Re:

Originally Posted by Star69

I see the thread 'devoted' to me is gone. Oh, well. Fame can be fleeting.

Someone just got schooled. Lessons being learned?

Yes, the U.S. battled them and took that land, and if they want it back they're going to have to fight for it just like we did. Hope they bring more than pitchforks. ...

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Careful Star, that is 200 something years old! Some ppl will be mad about that since it didn't happen in the last 48 hours lol

People get mad if you post something from 3 yrs ago, imagine 200+ years. Hmm I feel an urge to post something 500 years old ha!...

Here ya go: 500 years ago, the Spanish stole land from the original inhabitants, the Chumash Native American tribes, and put up their flag in what is now Los Angeles (originally El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de la Porciúncula. Ha! The Mexicans then stole the Spanish flag, and then the US stole the Mexican flag. Everybody has always been stealing something from somebody else.
This should really get your blood boiling, raise your blood pressure even higher, cause multiple psychological conditions and a whole cluster of personality disorders. Might even cause a heart attack. What is whiney gonna do 'bout that?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

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Here ya go: 500 years ago, the Spanish stole land from the original inhabitants, the Chumash Native American tribes, and put up their flag in what is now Los Angeles (originally El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de la Porciúncula. Ha! The Mexicans then stole the Spanish flag, and then the US stole the Mexican flag. Everybody has always been stealing something from somebody else.
This should really get your blood boiling, raise your blood pressure even higher, cause multiple psychological conditions and a whole cluster of personality disorders. Might even cause a heart attack. What is whiney gonna do 'bout that?

HAHA too funny LOL

500 years ago! You're treading on thin ice Mister! How dare you post something that happened 500 years ago to incite riots and get people worked up over this while the government is doing evil things in secret?!?! LOL

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Careful Star, that is 200 something years old! Some ppl will be mad about that since it didn't happen in the last 48 hours lol

People get mad if you post something from 3 yrs ago, imagine 200+ years. Hmm I feel an urge to post something 500 years old ha!

Aww, did your fame go away already? Don't worry I'll make a thread just for you one day lol

You know what's funny.....in the Middle East and in other parts of the world, a society will avenge a wrong done a thousand years before. Look at the Norman invasion of England. Normans were chased off like 500 years before by the Angels and the Saxons. Talk about holding a grudge!

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15 years ago

Whatever. This is not Mexico now - it is the USA

Or is it? .

Press one for English.

Oh wait its not the USA it's California

Let's just make Mexico a territory or state. Like Puerto Rico. That is the only way because they are not leaving thanks to our left wing which gives them carte blanche to thwart our laws.

After all haven't they earned the right to cut into the line - it's only fair we should have 20 Mexicans for every other 1 person that needs to come here from a poor country.

We are 'OCCUPIED' against our will. That is if the 'majority' is even relevant anymore.

Ever see the stats - Mexico is not even a poor country.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

Whatever. This is not Mexico now - it is the USA

Or is it? .

Press one for English.

Oh wait its not the USA it's California

Let's just make Mexico a territory or state. Like Puerto Rico. That is the only way because they are not leaving thanks to our left wing which gives them carte blanche to thwart our laws.

After all haven't they earned the right to cut into the line - it's only fair we should have 20 Mexicans for every other 1 person that needs to come here from a poor country.

We are 'OCCUPIED' against our will. That is if the 'majority' is even relevant anymore.

Ever see the stats - Mexico is not even a poor country.

I guess you didn't read Allen's rules that we don't talk about politics.

Fact of the matter is, both left and right wings have allowed this. Reagan pardoned illegals in the 80's. Neither Bush did anything to slow down illegals. Right wing/Big Business loves illegals as it has lowered the cost of wages and has practically destroyed unions.

The left wing allows illegals because they vote democratic and "humantarian" issues...

You really shouldn't point fingers at one side, as both sides are equally at fault.

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15 years ago

THAT IS TRUE KURT - LEFT AND RIGHT WINGS ARE BOTH PART OF THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT.

THE SHADOW DOES NOT CARE LEFT OR RIGHT LEFT-WING.

I KNEW I SHOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING IN WHAT WAS ALREADY A POLITICAL THREAD BEFORE I MENTIONED THE 'LEFT'. I THOUGHT THAT WAS LESS 'POLITICAL' THAN SAYING 'LIBERAL' OR 'SOCIALIST'. SORRY...

Originally Posted by Kurt

I guess you didn't read Allen's rules that we don't talk about politics.

Fact of the matter is, both left and right wings have allowed this. Reagan pardoned illegals in the 80's. Neither Bush did anything to slow down illegals. Right wing/Big Business loves illegals as it has lowered the cost of wages and has practically destroyed unions.

The left wing allows illegals because they vote democratic and "humantarian" issues...

You really shouldn't point fingers at one side, as both sides are equally at fault.

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15 years ago

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15 years ago

Change of plans myob. The world will bow down to the red, white and blue flag of France.

You were supposed to be undercover for La Revolucion de Mexico to take over el mundo but you've outed yourself.

Did you put up any Confederate flags on top of the Mexican and American flags?? LOL I didn't see anything on the news about riots or ppl dropping dead from strokes so I guess not.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Change of plans myob. The world will bow down to the red, white and blue flag of France.

You were supposed to be undercover for La Revolucion de Mexico to take over el mundo but you've outed yourself.

Did you put up any Confederate flags on top of the Mexican and American flags?? LOL I didn't see anything on the news about riots or ppl dropping dead from strokes so I guess not.

Val, I decided that I didn't need to waste all that manpower and money for putting up Confederate flags. Just spread around some bullshit, and people all over the world will go crazy just trying to sort out the facts. Bullshit is much cheaper than those Confederate flags, and the budget is kinda tight right now with the falling peso. Besides, the sheeple here have shown they will fight fiercely over little morsels of lies and half-truths, like dogs over raw meat; being totally unaware of what is really happening around them.

That is how to conquer the world, Madame Valerie. Keep the sheeple fighting among themselves about trifles, then steal their governments right from under them. It is working very well so far, don't you think? LOL!

Viva la revolucion! Viva la Mexico! Vive le revolution!

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15 years ago

The majority of Americans strongly agree with you Tina, but the government isn't and hasn't done a thing about it. If we went illegal into another country, we'd be in trouble, not rewarded.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

The government responds to what the people stand up for. While I agree that the majority seems to concur, the sad fact is that most of those people don't bother to do anymore than bitch about it. We need to stand up by voting and speaking out.

Tina G

I wish they did. Look at all the anti war protests. They did nothing. The government ignored all those protests. All the petitions signed for this and that did nothing either.

-the only ppl they listen to are the big, powerful groups they are afraid to piss off.

They make promises, then few actually deliver what they promised once elected

Guess that's one of the reasons most ppl hate politicians.

My brilliant idea is to put them before the firing squad if they don't do their job and listen to the ppl they represent. Then they'll actually do their job if they knew they faced the firing squad if they didn't.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

I wish they did. Look at all the anti war protests. They did nothing. The government ignored all those protests. All the petitions signed for this and that did nothing either.

-the only ppl they listen to are the big, powerful groups they are afraid to piss off.

I agree partly -- it's really hard to get the government to listen, and they don't want to listen, but if enough people make a loud enough noise for a long enough time, they eventually do listen, at least in part.

Our involvement in Vietnam was probably shortened by years of protests. The successes of the Civil Rights movement was the result of sustained protest.

My brilliant idea is to put them before the firing squad if they don't do their job and listen to the ppl they represent. Then they'll actually do their job if they knew they faced the firing squad if they didn't.

I'd add this: anytime our leaders want to go to war with another country, make the leaders of the two countries fight it out in a duel with pistols to the death. After all, it's usually the leaders who have problems with other leaders, and they try to drag the people of both countries into it (either by force or by propaganda, depending on the form of government). Hey, it's not perfect, but it's a nice idea.

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15 years ago

The government respondes to what is in their best interest. They pat people on the head and say 'we'll get right on it' when they dont.

Look at the 'tea parties'. Big deal..soccer moms and vietnam vets walked around in a circle with t-shirts and bumper stickers. And do you know what came of it? A lot of rich t-shirt manufacturers and bumpersticker makers.

I'M MAD ABOUT TAXES!!...so i'll just pay my taxes then go back to work...BUT IM MAD DAMMIT....

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KimW

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

The government respondes to what is in their best interest. They pat people on the head and say 'we'll get right on it' when they dont.

Look at the 'tea parties'. Big deal..soccer moms and vietnam vets walked around in a circle with t-shirts and bumper stickers. And do you know what came of it? A lot of rich t-shirt manufacturers and bumpersticker makers.

I'M MAD ABOUT TAXES!!...so i'll just pay my taxes then go back to work...BUT IM MAD DAMMIT....

I didn't participate in the tea parties but I know people that did.
Everyone that I spoke to confirmed that the media downplayed it to make it look like a small group while in fact it was thousands upon thousands of people at the ones my friends were at.

All of us,myself included that pay taxes are idiots.

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Michael Ellis

15 years ago

Actually, I think we'll see the current government do something about this soon... Unfortunately, it'll probably be along the lines of granting the vast majority of illegal's citizenship.

The government doesn't respond to what people want... It spins, lies, does whatever to make its actions look like they're in the best interest of the people, but at the end of the day the governement looks out for whatever particular party is doing the governing... which shines a whole new light on my first paragraph doesn't it?

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

at the risk of sounding like a troublemaker...the government will only listen if they are forced to. you have to do something to get their attention and walking around in a circle for a few hours isnt it.

the original boston tea party struck a chord because money was lost, things were burned, even a couple people died. That was the level of their resolve. And if they only walked with signs, we would still be getting taxed on tea, and under british rule.

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Patrician

15 years ago

Come on - if I never believed a single so-called 'conspiracy' theory - The way we are handling the Mexican PROBLEM is the clearest evidence of a 'shadow government' if I ever saw one.

I have seen poll after poll, vote after vote something like 80% of American citizens want something done to stop and remove the illegals. Looks like the 20% rules.

HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN?

THE FRICKING SHADOW KNOWS.

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

illegals dont vote.

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Kurt 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

illegals dont vote.

Thank you for correcting a grammar error. Let me clarify:

1. Many become legal. See the Reagan pardon.

2. Their kids born in the US are legal.

3. Many illegals are relatives of legals, who do vote, for the most part D.

The truth is, this issue is very likely the one that has the biggest gap between what the US citizens want and what the elected officials are doing. I believe the stats are over 70% of US citizens want tighter restraints on illegals.
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Michael Motley

15 years ago

the shadow government is probably reading this right now

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Star69

15 years ago

What do you mean illegals don't vote? How may states require photo id to vote? Not all of them...

And even if they ALL did, how hard is it to fake an ID? Happens every day.

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