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15 years ago

Here are two that I have come across just today that I would like to see if anyone is using and can provide feedback:

Trumpia (reseller program available)

http://expresstext.net (not sure if they have a reseller program)

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sgcattent

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sblackburn

Here are two that I have come across just today that I would like to see if anyone is using and can provide feedback:

Trumpia (reseller program available)

SMS Marketing Campaigns | Web Based | Mobile Advertising | Bulk SMS (not sure if they have a reseller program)

TRUMPIA is hot, and the way to go, because, you can white label, and brand the software it's self, either to your company, or the clients company, when they see that, you look like the hero! They think you are a big dog, when really TRUMPIA has done 90% of the work.

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TrumpiaTim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sgcattent

TRUMPIA is hot, and the way to go, because, you can white label, and brand the software it's self, either to your company, or the clients company, when they see that, you look like the hero! They think you are a big dog, when really TRUMPIA has done 90% of the work.

You pretty much have it figured out! Makes your life a lot easier when Trumpia has already developed the platform for you.

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mflorin

15 years ago

Bump. I'm also interested to hear people's feedback about this. I am impressed with Trumpia's offering. I like the fact that they incorporate SMS, email, instant messaging, and voice broadcast. I haven't tried them yet though, so would be very grateful to hear people's feedback on them and other mobile marketing platforms.

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iAmNameLess

15 years ago

Trumpia is good.

Agencies/Resellers | AvidMobile worth taking a look at.

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brik2500

15 years ago

I use Call Fire...I also use Voice Shot.

Call Fire is newer in the SMS biz, but

it is pretty effective, slightly less expensive

than Voice Shot.

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criniit 15 years ago

I use textmarks great reseller program.
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- Mattasdan 15 years ago
  
  I use Trumpia and It's an amazing tool for
  
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  frontrunner1 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mattasdan
  
  I use Trumpia and It's an amazing tool for
  
  Mattasdan - Would you please contact me at your earliest convenience re. Trumpia ... thanks, much appreciated !!!
  
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Max86 15 years ago

Originally Posted by brik2500

I use Call Fire...I also use Voice Shot.

Call Fire is newer in the SMS biz, but

it is pretty effective, slightly less expensive

than Voice Shot.

How are you marketing to the businesses in your area?

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MarthaD.

15 years ago

I think I'm going to try out EZTexting.com - they seem to have a good system, lots of video tutorials to help understand it, also has affiliate program and I think a reseller program.
I like their pricing structure since it has what they call a "pay & go" option meaning no monthly fee - just paying for what you use. This might be a good option to use when dealing with some customers that haven't yet built a large enough data base.
No contracts so you can change plans or just cancel altogether whenever needed.
There are soooooo many of them but so far I've just found this one to be the easiest to understand - for me anyway!!!

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zbw777

15 years ago

I've been researching pretty intensely over the last couple weeks all the different services out there. And so far I like Trumpia, their customer service has been excellent.

Eztexting is also with merit. I've played with there demo and its nice. The pay as you go plan is a good option as others said for starting out some new clients if need be.

I am also researching MobileStorm... but haven't heard back quite yet, so no answer there.

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frontrunner1

15 years ago

Originally Posted by zbw777

I've been researching pretty intensely over the last couple weeks all the different services out there. And so far I like Trumpia, their customer service has been excellent.

Eztexting is also with merit. I've played with there demo and its nice. The pay as you go plan is a good option as others said for starting out some new clients if need be.

I am also researching MobileStorm... but haven't heard back quite yet, so no answer there.

Hello zbw777 -

Can't PM anybody (not enough posts) but have a proposal for you re. Trumpia if you would be willing to contact me at: rick at frontrunner-enterprises dot com ... thanks!!!

Rick

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TrumpiaTim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by zbw777

I've been researching pretty intensely over the last couple weeks all the different services out there. And so far I like Trumpia, their customer service has been excellent.

Eztexting is also with merit. I've played with there demo and its nice. The pay as you go plan is a good option as others said for starting out some new clients if need be.

I am also researching MobileStorm... but haven't heard back quite yet, so no answer there.

Thank you for the kind words, at Trumpia, we do strive to be as responsive and efficient as possible with all of our clients both direct and resellers.

Originally Posted by Mattasdan

I use Trumpia and It's an amazing tool for

Thank you! What's your favorite feature? Trumpia will actually be launching QR codes next month, so be on the lookout for that.

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Trumpia is good.

Agencies/Resellers | AvidMobile worth taking a look at.

Thank you for the compliment.

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Not only that, but with long codes (local phone number) you can use an unlimited number of different keywords. You're not locked into one or two keywords on a shared short code.

While that is true, on the flipside, longcodes are much more difficult to promote and advertise versus a shortcode due to its length.

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TrumpiaTim

While that is true, on the flipside, longcodes are much more difficult to promote and advertise versus a shortcode due to its length.

Actually, as someone who is actually selling these services to the businesses, it has been our experience that a local number is actually quite easy to seel versus a shortcode.

But YMMV, of course.

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Actually, as someone who is actually selling these services to the businesses, it has been our experience that a local number is actually quite easy to seel versus a shortcode.

But YMMV, of course.

Agreed. Long codes are a very easy sell, just as easy as short codes. I've had no problems.

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Luke Bishop 15 years ago

Hi guys,

I live in Australia, can you recommend any decent sms services??

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Trumpia is SO expensive. I don't get it.

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

I'm creating my own campaign manager that I'll be offering to other people for a low monthly fee, it utilizes long codes and Twilio as a backend. It offers infinite campaigns and keywords. If you want to know more you can PM me

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thattori

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

I'm creating my own campaign manager that I'll be offering to other people for a low monthly fee, it utilizes long codes and Twilio as a backend. It offers infinite campaigns and keywords. If you want to know more you can PM me

I would like the info, can't pm yet but if you don't mind give me a jingle at: th1959th (at) gmail (dot) com

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

I'm creating my own campaign manager that I'll be offering to other people for a low monthly fee, it utilizes long codes and Twilio as a backend. It offers infinite campaigns and keywords. If you want to know more you can PM me

My team and I really like what Twilio has to offer. I can't find a cheaper, more flexible gateway.

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

My team and I really like what Twilio has to offer. I can't find a cheaper, more flexible gateway.

Agreed. And that is why I'm using it. It's perfect for what I want to do. And the difference between Long Code and Short Code in the eyes of the customer is negligible. In fact, I believe a Long Code is better for local businesses as it makes it more personal for that businesses local customers

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

Agreed. And that is why I'm using it. It's perfect for what I want to do. And the difference between Long Code and Short Code in the eyes of the customer is negligible. In fact, I believe a Long Code is better for local businesses as it makes it more personal for that businesses local customers

Not only that, but with long codes (local phone number) you can use an unlimited number of different keywords. You're not locked into one or two keywords on a shared short code.

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bencarroll02

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

Agreed. And that is why I'm using it. It's perfect for what I want to do. And the difference between Long Code and Short Code in the eyes of the customer is negligible. In fact, I believe a Long Code is better for local businesses as it makes it more personal for that businesses local customers

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Not only that, but with long codes (local phone number) you can use an unlimited number of different keywords. You're not locked into one or two keywords on a shared short code.

LONGCODES LONGCODES LONGCODES LONGCODES!

Exactly for those reasons...unlimited number of different keywords is crucial and I have also had easier times selling more personalized longcodes to local businesses at the tune of 3-4 to 1. I stopped offering higher priced short codes and dropped that service in my business...Everything is longcodes now for me!

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

I'm creating my own campaign manager that I'll be offering to other people for a low monthly fee, it utilizes long codes and Twilio as a backend. It offers infinite campaigns and keywords. If you want to know more you can PM me

I am interested in finding out more, please PM me ...... I do not have enough posts yet to message you

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

I'm creating my own campaign manager that I'll be offering to other people for a low monthly fee, it utilizes long codes and Twilio as a backend. It offers infinite campaigns and keywords. If you want to know more you can PM me

My staff has developed a campaign manager for our clients, and we too are planning to open it up to others who want to apply their brand to it and leverage the Twilio service.

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

My staff has developed a campaign manager for our clients, and we too are planning to open it up to others who want to apply their brand to it and leverage the Twilio service.

I would like to hear moe at about the campaign manager. I want to be able to use some of the features used by some of the more expensive SMS gateways. without having to pay their costs.

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

My staff has developed a campaign manager for our clients, and we too are planning to open it up to others who want to apply their brand to it and leverage the Twilio service.

I would be interested to hear more about your Twilio compaign manager

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21clg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

My staff has developed a campaign manager for our clients, and we too are planning to open it up to others who want to apply their brand to it and leverage the Twilio service.

Sorry, cant PM yet. Could you email me at mrselfexpression - a. t - gma:l daht c...m??? thanks

Interested

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21clg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

My staff has developed a campaign manager for our clients, and we too are planning to open it up to others who want to apply their brand to it and leverage the Twilio service.

Could you email me at mrselfexpression -at- gmail about this? thanks!

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dunkinbbb 14 years ago

I'm also interested and cannot PM.

dunkinbbb at g mail

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Izesta

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Trumpia is SO expensive. I don't get it.

I agree. This must be for the big dogs, or the big fools.

I got the feeling they needed people to finance their business. Fees were outrageous. They require people to buy and prepay for messages to the tune of $3,250 PLUS $349 monthly fees PLUS $599 setup.

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TrumpiaTim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Izesta

I agree. This must be for the big dogs, or the big fools.

I got the feeling they needed people to finance their business. Fees were outrageous. They require people to buy and prepay for messages to the tune of $3,250 PLUS $349 monthly fees PLUS $599 setup.

Izesta, I'm sorry that you feel that way, but while most businesses cost upwards of $10,000 - $20,000 initially to open, we feel that $3,000 to start your own business is quite cost effective.

Feel free to shoot me an email below and perhaps I can propose something a bit more favorable to you to enter Trumpia's White Label Reseller program.

Another popular route for those looking into Mobile Marketing where they feel like they'd prefer to slowly grow into the reseller program, has been to hop on a premium plan such as the Multi 3400 at $160 a month and fully manage their clients campaigns for the time being.

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Izesta

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TrumpiaTim

Izesta, I'm sorry that you feel that way, but while most businesses cost upwards of $10,000 - $20,000 initially to open, we feel that $3,000 to start your own business is quite cost effective.

Feel free to shoot me an email below and perhaps I can propose something a bit more favorable to you to enter Trumpia's White Label Reseller program.

Another popular route for those looking into Mobile Marketing where they feel like they'd prefer to slowly grow into the reseller program, has been to hop on a premium plan such as the Multi 3400 at $160 a month and fully manage their clients campaigns for the time being.

Great of you to be present here and to respond. On the contrary, I have no problem making an investment in a business - especially where the investment is for supplies/materials, etc., that allow me to operate my business. I have invested countless thousands over the years. The dollars per se is not the issue. It's more what the investment is for. The fees seemed extreme, very much higher than your competition. And I was boggled as to the requirement to prepay for so many messages. It equates to buying an awful lot of "cloud" inventory.

The premium plan is an option of course, but managing accounts on an individual basis would be burdensome.

Your program apparently is fantastic for the right reseller. I just have to keep looking to find an option that works for me.

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cashtech29 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Trumpia is SO expensive. I don't get it.

That's because they are trying to keep out the riff rafffffffff.
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- criniit 15 years ago
  
  The reason trumpia is so expensive is because they require you to buy text credits in bulk. There are other white services just as good as trumpia but let you buy credits in the rears al la carte. It keeps your startup costs much lower.
  
  The white label service I provide does this. Email me if youd like to learn more. stevie.brodsky at gmail dot com
  
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  cashtech29 15 years ago
  
  I am curious...
  With so many different SMS White Label platform providers, what is to stop any one provider from packing up
  your clients phone numbers and selling them off in groups, to telemarketers and other marketing agency's?
  
  Since all of your clients information and even stats are on THEIR white label servers,
  there seems to be nothing that can be done to stop your clients personal information
  from being sold on the black market...
  
  This is what you have to weigh out, before you consider going into this as a profession.
  Keep in mind, that I am not speaking out against all SMS White Label platform providers,
  There are some good ones, I'm sure, but the temptations and convenience are great
  (With profile analytic's of your business clients and all of their thousands of text optins)
  and you need to know that this can happen and the consequences can be a great inconvenience to tens of thousands of people.
  
  Have you ever been told by a SMS White Label platform provider that, when your list of businessess gets big enough, all of their tens of thousands of optin text phone numbers will start being sold, at some point, without your knowledge, to telemarketers???
  
  No Way!
  They will tell you that your information is safe, and do it with a gleam in their eye...
  
  Again, I am not speaking of all SMS White Label platform providers... Just the bad ones.
  
  If you believe them, you are simply putting your clients personal information at risk, by not checking out their credentials....
  You have to check each states, (not just your own) better business bureau, FCC, Federal Trade Commission, State Attorney Generals, and there are lots of other ways to find out about the bad ones...
  
  Keep in mind that these are also the places you can report the bad ones too!!!
  
  If your tens of thousands of businesses text optin clients start getting spammed, it is obvious you know where it started.
  Report your SMS White Label platform provider to every state and federal agency known to man, then re-send each one, that same conplaint letter every 30 days, until the SMS White Label platform providers are in prison... And YES, they will go to prison, with lengthy terms, along with accumulating hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees.
  
  In fact, you can be assured that the bad SMS White Label platform providers will sell your clients information at some point, and tens of thousands of text options will be harassed by either spam text messages and/or live telemarketers, also pre-recorded marketing messages, as soon as they answer their phone.
  This is very easy for the BAD SMS White Label platform provider to do, because they already have all of your many business client's company info's, along with all of their thousands of optin customers telephone numbers neatly organized on THEIR servers.
  
  Again, I am not talking about the GOOD SMS White Label platform providers, just the BAD ones.
  
  To drill a little deeper, look at your white label analytic's for each different company you have signed up and all of their tens of thousands of customers... Everything is neatly categorized for pinpoint marketing, in your analytic's admin...(Witch is on THEIR servers).
  They don't have to do anything but sell the analytic's along with the group phone numbers and now the buying telemarketers and other marketing agency's know exactly what to pitch to each persons phone number.
  If a person likes and responds to a restaurants optin for Italian food, that telemarketer simply has to pitch to them a package of Italian food coupons or something like that, because they already have the analytic's of what that person originally opted in to receive text messages for, in the first place.
  The temptation is just to great and some of the BAD SMS White Label platform providers have already started this practice of selling off these numbers.
  
  Again, I'm not talking about the GOOD SMS White Label platform providers, just the BAD ones..
  I surly don't want to offend anybody and hope that I haven't.
  
  I have done quite a bit of work in the legal profession and these are just some good things to know, when getting into this business...
  
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  TrumpiaTim 15 years ago
  
  Cashtech,
  
  Very very valid points you made in the posts above.
  
  1. We have a minimum in place to qualify our resellers, our white label isn't for everyone. Our reseller's success is as integral to our success. If anyone feels our starting points are too expensive, feel free to contact me and I will do what I can to work with our rates, but again we prefer quality > quantity.
  
  2. All of your points about legalities and companies selling numbers is an unfortunate truth in any industry. I would highly recommend whether you (as a prospect) sign up for Trumpia or another White Label Service, READ the fine print. Trumpia has an established White Label Service Agreement that is very important in regards to our association with our resellers, stating at no point will any information be exchanged, sold, leased, rented, etc. I'd advise before joining any white label that all prospects make sure there is a signed and documented agreement between both parties and again READ the fine print.
  
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  cashtech29 15 years ago
  
  Thanks for the reply Tim, although, I wasn't looking for any pats on the back...
  
  "They'll do it with a gleam in their eye".
  
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jayspann

15 years ago

Can someone with experience post what they are paying for some of these services?

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jayspann

Can someone with experience post what they are paying for some of these services?

Sure. Twilio:

2 cents per SMS sent, 1 cent for each incoming SMS text. Local dedicated SMS numbers cost only $1 per month (that means instead of a shortcode shared among hundreds of clients, all using the same code, each of your clients -- yours and clients of other resellers and the main company -- can have their OWN dedicated LOCAL number for just a buck). HINT: You can easily charge your clients $10.00 per month for the dedicated local number, they don't even blink at that price, and without sending a single text you've lined up $9.00 a month recurring profit.

Twilio also offers toll-free numbers, and voice services as well (that includes teleconferencing with transcription services -- great for people who want to set up their own branded audio conferencing services so they can sound like a "big guy" in their industry).

Twilio also does more than SMS messaging. You can write full voice apps using their REST API. They also give away helper libraries for PHP, JAVA, C#, Ruby, etc. to make integration a snap. They will even do text-to-voice for free, and will transcribe voice recordings to text. They support OpenVBX, which means you could, literally create your own "Google Voice" with Twilio.

No contracts, no set up fees, no monthly account fees, no pre-payment fees, and Twilio gives new accounts a free $30.00 credit -- which means you can send 1500 texts for free right out of the box (great for testing the service or for your programmers trying out the Twilio API). You can literally get started using Twilio for ZERO dollars.

Oh, and the API is really easy to use -- my coders had no trouble writing a complete app to manage a multi-keyword campaign in less than a day.

If I sound like a big proponent of Twilio, I am. I'm not affiliated with them other than being a very satisfied customer. Believe me, I looked at virtually EVERY service out there before I settled on Twilio, and I did so because in my mind, they blew EVERYONE away.

Again, YMMV.

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criniit

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Sure. Twilio:

2 cents per SMS sent, 1 cent for each incoming SMS text. Local dedicated SMS numbers cost only $1 per month (that means instead of a shortcode shared among hundreds of clients, all using the same code, each of your clients -- yours and clients of other resellers and the main company -- can have their OWN dedicated LOCAL number for just a buck). HINT: You can easily charge your clients $10.00 per month for the dedicated local number, they don't even blink at that price, and without sending a single text you've lined up $9.00 a month recurring profit.

Twilio also offers toll-free numbers, and voice services as well (that includes teleconferencing with transcription services -- great for people who want to set up their own branded audio conferencing services so they can sound like a "big guy" in their industry).

Twilio also does more than SMS messaging. You can write full voice apps using their REST API. They also give away helper libraries for PHP, JAVA, C#, Ruby, etc. to make integration a snap. They will even do text-to-voice for free, and will transcribe voice recordings to text. They support OpenVBX, which means you could, literally create your own "Google Voice" with Twilio.

No contracts, no set up fees, no monthly account fees, no pre-payment fees, and Twilio gives new accounts a free $30.00 credit -- which means you can send 1500 texts for free right out of the box (great for testing the service or for your programmers trying out the Twilio API). You can literally get started using Twilio for ZERO dollars.

Oh, and the API is really easy to use -- my coders had no trouble writing a complete app to manage a multi-keyword campaign in less than a day.

If I sound like a big proponent of Twilio, I am. I'm not affiliated with them other than being a very satisfied customer. Believe me, I looked at virtually EVERY service out there before I settled on Twilio, and I did so because in my mind, they blew EVERYONE away.

Again, YMMV.

I agree that twilio is awesome. But dont they charge you for incoming texts as well? That would double your texting costs.

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

Originally Posted by criniit

I agree that twilio is awesome. But dont they charge you for incoming texts as well? That would double your texting costs.

Twilio does charge you for both incoming and outgoing. When deciding what to charge local businesses for sms marketing you must take this into account. For instance, a typical sms campaign is going to cost roughly 8 cents per user, one to opt in, one reply text, one if they opt out, one opt out confirmation. So if you consider 8 cents per and you estimate 200 a month, that's $16. If you agree to send an SMS blast to 200 subscribers a week, that's $4 a week, or $16 a month. That's an estimated $32 a month in costs. With these figures, if you charge $149/month, you're profiting, $117/month per business. Obviously you can charge more, you can do more than 200 a week. There's different ways to charge, but it's still VERY profitable.

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

Twilio does charge you for both incoming and outgoing. When deciding what to charge local businesses for sms marketing you must take this into account. For instance, a typical sms campaign is going to cost roughly 8 cents per user, one to opt in, one reply text, one if they opt out, one opt out confirmation. So if you consider 8 cents per and you estimate 200 a month, that's $16. If you agree to send an SMS blast to 200 subscribers a week, that's $4 a week, or $16 a month. That's an estimated $32 a month in costs. With these figures, if you charge $149/month, you're profiting, $117/month per business. Obviously you can charge more, you can do more than 200 a week. There's different ways to charge, but it's still VERY profitable.

I think that $89 PCM is far too much for a simple script. The campaign manager has very few features, and yet is charging a premium rate.

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

Originally Posted by philboy uk

I think that $89 PCM is far too much for a simple script. The campaign manager has very few features, and yet is charging a premium rate.

Depends on how you look at it I guess. You can run as many businesses, campaigns, and keywords as you want. Have as many different numbers as you want. I'm currently programming several more features that will be available shortly, however I didn't want to post a lower price just to raise it later. Besides the features I'm currently working on, I'm always looking for new suggestions. I use this for several local businesses, so implementing new features would more than benefit me as well.

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

Depends on how you look at it I guess. You can run as many businesses, campaigns, and keywords as you want. Have as many different numbers as you want. I'm currently programming several more features that will be available shortly, however I didn't want to post a lower price just to raise it later. Besides the features I'm currently working on, I'm always looking for new suggestions. I use this for several local businesses, so implementing new features would more than benefit me as well.

Well, I am comparing your price to chadd Wyatt script, which was a one time payment and started at $17 and seems to have more features . His script did not limit the number of businesses, campaigns or keywords either.
You are charging much , much more, for a monthly fee on the basis of the features it may have in the future ?

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by philboy uk

Well, I am comparing your price to chadd Wyatt script, which was a one time payment and started at $17 and seems to have more features . His script did not limit the number of businesses, campaigns or keywords either.
You are charging much , much more, for a monthly fee on the basis of the features it may have in the future ?

You are listing all the features already offered by twilio. It is like me charging $89 a month to let people use google.... and letting them have UNLIMITED SEARCHES and UNLIMITED KEYWORDS

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

Originally Posted by philboy uk

You are listing all the features already offered by twilio. It is like me charging $89 a month to let people use google.... and letting them have UNLIMITED SEARCHES and UNLIMITED KEYWORDS

I wouldn't say it's quite like that. Of course, if you want to use Twilio, you can go ahead and program your own campaign management sytem and not worry about using one available. However, that may not be an option for everybody. For those out there who have a lot of local businesses they can offer sms marketing to, the price is not bad. For instance, with what I make with local businesses using sms marketing, if I didn't have my own campaign management system, I would gladly pay the asking price to be able to manage all of them in one place. And as I scale to hundreds of businesses, I know I won't have to worry about paying any more per month, no 'pay as you grow'. And Twilio does not offer a campaign management system. They don't have any database you can store all your lists information in, and then access it at anytime. They offer an API to be able to send and receive sms messages, and then you have to build a system around it. Which is what I did. If Twilio offered the campaign management i'm offering, then your analogy to google would be spot on. Unfortunately, it's not.

As for Chadd Wyatt, I'm glad I'm not the first person to see the potential in Twilio. And I won't be the last. I took a look at his WSOs, very interesting to say the least. It seems a few people had some customer support issues. But I don't know Chadd, I don't know the circumstances around what he's doing, so I'm not going to speculate. I'm more than willing to give people free time to use my service, if they don't like it at the end, so be it, take your list and move on. That's absolutely fine.

The people who will be using my site will not have to deal with some large corporation. They will be in contact with me directly. At all times, any time. I am 100% dedicated to customer support and helping you get what you need. Do you need some help, some training, some one on one consultation regarding sms marketing? Awesome, I'll help you. I'll help you get started. I'll help you grow, and I'll help you succeed. The view from the top is only great if you have others there to enjoy it with you.

I understand the price is not ideal for you specifically. If you had 100 campaigns to manage, and were making 5 figures a month with those, is $89 a month to manage them all in one spot not a good value? You don't start sms marketing with the idea that you're going to be only signing up 5 or 6 companies. You'll end up with referrals and other people wanting this service. You'll be operating dozens in just a couple months. Is that not worth the price? I stand by my price. I will agree, my product is not for people who are only going to be managing the campaigns of just a few local business. I created it for people who want to go BIG and keep their costs low.

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

I wouldn't say it's quite like that. Of course, if you want to use Twilio, you can go ahead and program your own campaign management sytem and not worry about using one available. However, that may not be an option for everybody. For those out there who have a lot of local businesses they can offer sms marketing to, the price is not bad. For instance, with what I make with local businesses using sms marketing, if I didn't have my own campaign management system, I would gladly pay the asking price to be able to manage all of them in one place. And as I scale to hundreds of businesses, I know I won't have to worry about paying any more per month, no 'pay as you grow'. And Twilio does not offer a campaign management system. They don't have any database you can store all your lists information in, and then access it at anytime. They offer an API to be able to send and receive sms messages, and then you have to build a system around it. Which is what I did. If Twilio offered the campaign management i'm offering, then your analogy to google would be spot on. Unfortunately, it's not.

As for Chadd Wyatt, I'm glad I'm not the first person to see the potential in Twilio. And I won't be the last. I took a look at his WSOs, very interesting to say the least. It seems a few people had some customer support issues. But I don't know Chadd, I don't know the circumstances around what he's doing, so I'm not going to speculate. I'm more than willing to give people free time to use my service, if they don't like it at the end, so be it, take your list and move on. That's absolutely fine.

The people who will be using my site will not have to deal with some large corporation. They will be in contact with me directly. At all times, any time. I am 100% dedicated to customer support and helping you get what you need. Do you need some help, some training, some one on one consultation regarding sms marketing? Awesome, I'll help you. I'll help you get started. I'll help you grow, and I'll help you succeed. The view from the top is only great if you have others there to enjoy it with you.

I understand the price is not ideal for you specifically. If you had 100 campaigns to manage, and were making 5 figures a month with those, is $89 a month to manage them all in one spot not a good value? You don't start sms marketing with the idea that you're going to be only signing up 5 or 6 companies. You'll end up with referrals and other people wanting this service. You'll be operating dozens in just a couple months. Is that not worth the price? I stand by my price. I will agree, my product is not for people who are only going to be managing the campaigns of just a few local business. I created it for people who want to go BIG and keep their costs low.

Thankyou for the offer of support, but between the warrior forum and some WSO's , I feel I can manage.

What I am really after is a script that can manage sms campaigns and take advantage of trumpia's low cost SMS messaging., preferrably with features offered on some of the premium services.

I am still wonder the justification for $1068 a year, when Chadd Wyatt charged $17. I could put up with some minor support issues if it saves me $1000 per year.

I would be interested to find out the developement costs for a simple SMS PHP script.

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

Originally Posted by philboy uk

Thankyou for the offer of support, but between the warrior forum and some WSO's , I feel I can manage.

What I am really after is a script that can manage sms campaigns and take advantage of trumpia's low cost SMS messaging., preferrably with features offered on some of the premium services.

I am still wonder the justification for $1068 a year, when Chadd Wyatt charged $17. I could put up with some minor support issues if it saves me $1000 per year.

I would be interested to find out the developement costs for a simple SMS PHP script.

I'm not familiar with Trumpia, but I've heard many good things about them. My general understanding is that they aren't cheap, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.

Again, I can't speak for Chadd Wyatt, I could not tell you his reasons for the price he chose. My observation from one of his WSOs I took a quick look at is that nobody was ever able to get ahold of him for support. Maybe the low dollar amount wasn't worth his time after he made the initial sale to continue support? I hate to speculate because I don't know him or his product.

As far as development cost goes, that can vary greatly. What is your time worth to you? And what is the value it brings to someone? That's what a developer thinks of. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a 'simple' script. If it was so simple, you could just sit down and do it yourself. I'm not saying it's overly complicated, but it's by no means a cut and paste kind of deal.

You ask about the justification for the price: the price reflects the value. Maybe not for your specific situation. For people who are new to SMS Marketing I'm more than willing to give away free time so they can get their businesses going before they have to start worrying about paying anything.

As far as features go, like I've said, I've got some in the works. But I'm only one man, so new features don't get rolled out overnight.

I understand my product isn't the solution for you, but I hope you do find the product that gives you the success you're looking for.

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thattori

15 years ago

Originally Posted by philboy uk

Thankyou for the offer of support, but between the warrior forum and some WSO's , I feel I can manage.

What I am really after is a script that can manage sms campaigns and take advantage of trumpia's low cost SMS messaging., preferrably with features offered on some of the premium services.

I am still wonder the justification for $1068 a year, when Chadd Wyatt charged $17. I could put up with some minor support issues if it saves me $1000 per year.

I would be interested to find out the developement costs for a simple SMS PHP script.

Do you have link to Chadd's platform
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philboy uk 15 years ago

Originally Posted by thattori

Do you have link to Chadd's platform
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For some reason the Chadd Wyatt thread has been closed and his website is no longer visible.
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FreeBird85 15 years ago

Originally Posted by thattori

Do you have link to Chadd's platform
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Here are his WSO's pertaining to SMS:

U.S. Local SMS/Mobile Marketing PHP script only $0.02 per message, UNLIMITED keywords and lists

[Offliners][PLR] Local biz SMS explosion. Free website software, SMS lists for $1/mo 2 cents/msg!
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Steven Carl Kelly 15 years ago

Originally Posted by criniit

I agree that twilio is awesome. But dont they charge you for incoming texts as well? That would double your texting costs.

Take a look at the first line: I stated that Twilio charges 2 cents for outgoing SMS, and 1 cent for incoming.
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TrumpiaTim

15 years ago

I appreciate the feedback and will share your comments with our team, as we have teetered back and forth from time to time on offering a lower entry point into our white label reseller program.

Will keep you posted if our fees change and again thank you for your feedback on Trumpia's White Label offering.

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FourasP

15 years ago

Why don't you search in Google, I'm sure you would find many and see if they are paid or not.

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thattori

15 years ago

How simplicity of using Twillo campaign manager, back office? Do you run different campaigns for each clients? What are the platform if clients choose to manage it themself?

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thattori

How simplicity of using Twillo campaign manager, back office? Do you run different campaigns for each clients? What are the platform if clients choose to manage it themself?

I prefer to manage all my clients accounts for them. If I ever get to the point where I have too many clients to handle, I'm making enough money at that point to hire someone else to do it and pick up the slack. I've been using a campaign manager I created for myself, however only recently decided to scale it to make it available for others to use, check out my sig

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Izesta

15 years ago

Originally Posted by FreeBird85

I prefer to manage all my clients accounts for them. If I ever get to the point where I have too many clients to handle, I'm making enough money at that point to hire someone else to do it and pick up the slack. I've been using a campaign manager I created for myself, however only recently decided to scale it to make it available for others to use, check out my sig

Sounds like you have a good plan FreeBird.

Managing all the campaigns scares me. How many do you think you can comfortably handle w/o hiring anyone? How often do you permit the biz owner to change the campaign? Of course, the more they change the campaign or start new ones, the more available you would have to be.

Let me know if you don't mind.

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Izesta

Managing all the campaigns scares me.

I can't see a scenario in which my team could manage all of our client campaigns. Part of the foundation of our offering is allowing clients to drive customers through the doors almost instantly, day or night, basically on demand. There's no way I can promise them that and keep my promise if I don't let them log in and launch a campaign at any time, even if one of my staff isn't available. If they want to blast a text campaign at 8:30 PM on a Saturday night and see customers coming through the door 10 or 15 minutes later, then they should be able to do that without having to add another layer of having to try and get one of my team on the line first.

BTW, just as an aside, since not all of our clients have an internet-connected PC in their shops, or own a Web-enabled phone, we've built a platform that allows them to instantly launch a text blast via (a) Web dashboard running on a regular PC browser or mobile browser; (b) via a smartphone app for Android or iPhone; (c) via a voice call; (d) via SMS text. Yes, that's right, we took it all into consideration -- we actually allow a business owner to compose and launch an SMS campaign via voice or via message.

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Izesta

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

I can't see a scenario in which my team could manage all of our client campaigns. Part of the foundation of our offering is allowing clients to drive customers through the doors almost instantly, day or night, basically on demand. There's no way I can promise them that and keep my promise if I don't let them log in and launch a campaign at any time, even if one of my staff isn't available. If they want to blast a text campaign at 8:30 PM on a Saturday night and see customers coming through the door 10 or 15 minutes later, then they should be able to do that without having to add another layer of having to try and get one of my team on the line first.

BTW, just as an aside, since not all of our clients have an internet-connected PC in their shops, or own a Web-enabled phone, we've built a platform that allows them to instantly launch a text blast via (a) Web dashboard running on a regular PC browser or mobile browser; (b) via a smartphone app for Android or iPhone; (c) via a voice call; (d) via SMS text. Yes, that's right, we took it all into consideration -- we actually allow a business owner to compose and launch an SMS campaign via voice or via message.

That too Steven. If I have to manage the campaigns, the biz owner loses the ability to immediately affect sales and profits - which would be part of my sales pitch.

Finding a good working campaign manager on the backend along with the reseller option is a stumbling block for me.

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Izesta

That too Steven. If I have to manage the campaigns, the biz owner loses the ability to immediately affect sales and profits - which would be part of my sales pitch.

Finding a good working campaign manager on the backend along with the reseller option is a stumbling block for me.

I hear you. I'm fortunate to be in a position to have a very accomplished developer on my team in a full-time capacity so we were able to outline a fully functional platform and build it on the best platform out there IMO, Twilio. Others, I know, aren't so fortunate. I wish I offered a white label solution for all the Warriors in need, but I'm not really in a position to do that anytime soon.

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xlfutur1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

BTW, just as an aside, since not all of our clients have an internet-connected PC in their shops, or own a Web-enabled phone, we've built a platform that allows them to instantly launch a text blast via (a) Web dashboard running on a regular PC browser or mobile browser; (b) via a smartphone app for Android or iPhone; (c) via a voice call; (d) via SMS text. Yes, that's right, we took it all into consideration -- we actually allow a business owner to compose and launch an SMS campaign via voice or via message.

I've done the same thing with OpenVBX and a few plugins. If you want to do this, use chad Smith's subscription plugin and along with it comes with a "dispatch" plugin. Set your keywords, then allow the business owner to have permission to send to an entire list with a text from his/her cell phone.

Be sure that your business owner doesn't abuse the privelige though, or you'll have lots of unsubscribes. Also be sure that they include the unsubscribe information at the end of the message. You can set up a call flow to have the same type of functionality. You don't need a team programmers to do this sort of thing, so don't let that thought stop you from creating stuff that is customized for biz owners.

I created a service for the company I work for using this same type of OpenVBX functionality and we are just rolling it out to some of our clients to use. You can see how it works at Text Messaging | For Multifamily and Senior Living Facilities (Our clients are in the REIT industry)

You can create this kind of thing for most any niche. Just use your imagination.

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June8

15 years ago

Well , SMS services are good for local business but not for the a high profile business.

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The Kid

15 years ago

Appreciate the discourse between you and Philboy, FreeBird. I'll be looking into your CM Solution as a result.

That said, you are far more patient than I.

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Kid

Appreciate the discourse between you and Philboy, FreeBird. I'll be looking into your CM Solution as a result.

That said, you are far more patient than I.

Ok, just had a look at the online dictionary and found what discourse meant.

I must admit, although I feel that freebird could benefit from dropping his monthly fee for warriors, he does argue his case well and remains polite.

I also made a mistake in previous post , and mentioned trumpia instead of trilio.

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

Originally Posted by philboy uk

Ok, just had a look at the online dictionary and found what discourse meant.

I must admit, although I feel that freebird could benefit from dropping his monthly fee for warriors, he does argue his case well and remains polite.

I also made a mistake in previous post , and mentioned trumpia instead of trilio.

I am curious and I'm surprised I didn't ask in a previous post (I was dead tired), but what do you believe a fair price is?

I do have the power to change it at any moment, and your feedback is much appreciated. After already have started offering sms marketing to offline businesses, and seeing the return, that price is what I would pay, and that's how I came to that price. Like I said, I have the power to change it if it means helping more people get involved in sms marketing and becoming successful.

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TheLocalCoach 15 years ago

Trumpia offers a good product, but there are alternatives. We provide a terrific SMS white label turn-key solution using Long Codes. (and can integrate Short Codes into our platform). Full client back-end integration and campaign management, free incoming messages, extremely competitive rates. I can't PM yet, but get my QR code or try jay at mysmsbrand dot com.
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The Kid

15 years ago

For what it's worth, I see nothing wrong with the current price. If you were to lower it, you should at least restrict the number of campaigns one can have.

Assuming your solution works as it should, and you are indeed available for support, then having a CM and the ability to build/store a list is worth $89/mo..... maybe, possible, in certain cases, not for the person with one or two accounts, but if you have 5+ accounts, or 1 or 2 clients with a sizable list, the benefit is there.

Just Sayin'

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FreeBird85

15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Kid

For what it's worth, I see nothing wrong with the current price. If you were to lower it, you should at least restrict the number of campaigns one can have.

Assuming your solution works as it should, and you are indeed available for support, then having a CM and the ability to build/store a list is worth $89/mo..... maybe, possible, in certain cases, not for the person with one or two accounts, but if you have 5+ accounts, or 1 or 2 clients with a sizable list, the benefit is there.

Just Sayin'

Well I agree that it's not for people who want to manage just a couple clients. I would say if you are wanting to manage the sms marketing of 10 or more local businesses my solution works well. I'm currently working on a couple new features as I type this reply. As for customer support, I'm dedicated to it because that's the number one thing I look for in any service.

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by The Kid

For what it's worth, I see nothing wrong with the current price. If you were to lower it, you should at least restrict the number of campaigns one can have.

Assuming your solution works as it should, and you are indeed available for support, then having a CM and the ability to build/store a list is worth $89/mo..... maybe, possible, in certain cases, not for the person with one or two accounts, but if you have 5+ accounts, or 1 or 2 clients with a sizable list, the benefit is there.

Just Sayin'

Trilio does not restrict the number of campaigns , keywords or businesses, there is no reason the interface should.

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FreeBird85 15 years ago

Originally Posted by philboy uk

Trilio does not restrict the number of campaigns , keywords or businesses, there is no reason the interface should.

I'm guessing you mean Twilio? If so, no they don't, but it's because they don't offer any sort of campaign manager. They simply offer an SMS service with which to build around. What happens to the text once it's received is where the campaign manager comes in. The backend isn't as simple as it may sound. On my website right now I've probably got 60 or so scripts running.

If you did mean Trilio, I'm not familiar.
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The Kid 15 years ago

Considering we aren't discussing a service I'm providing, I'll say this and then leave the subject alone:

It would be best to put restrictions on the extra features FB will be adding to his solution rather than restrict the number of campaigns, keywords, or businesses his interface will allow (in typing my initial response, I just chose something out of his current offerings since no additional features were specifically mentioned) BUT..... It doesn't matter what Twilio does or does not restrict, one would be using FB's solution for CM & the list building ability Twilio lacks. Consequently, while it would make sense and be ideal that FB's solution fall inline with Twilio's offerings, it doesn't have to.

I'm low on sleep, so this is the best and slightly apples to oranges analogy I can come up with: G-mail effectively places no restriction on the number of e-mails one can send, receive, or store, yet ppl still pay for services such as Aweber. Why? Because it's not about just having the ability to send, receive, and store messages from those on their list.

Soooo, $89/mo being perfectly reasonable IMO for FB's solution, I'd add a lower priced package that lacked certain things... not lower the current price and keep all the offerings in place. Also, what comes standard with Twilio wouldn't be something I'd put restrictions on, but if I had no bells and whistles to toy with, something would have to give.

Refreshing this page 15 minutes ago could have saved me some time I see... Oh well.
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cchipster

15 years ago

I have found the solution after days of research and talking with reps from companies. Its white label and is by far the best deal out there. PM me if you want the details.

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TWalker

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cchipster

I have found the solution after days of research and talking with reps from companies. Its white label and is by far the best deal out there. PM me if you want the details.

I was interested but couldn't PM you. If you can PM me great.

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nctom

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cchipster

I have found the solution after days of research and talking with reps from companies. Its white label and is by far the best deal out there. PM me if you want the details.

Just curious, why can't you post for everyone to see?

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Moneyerr

15 years ago

I offer you to consider exploring "BoomText" SMS marketing services. They offer a 15 days trial to all new clients, this is enough time to determine if this is something you want to move forward with. No credit card is necessary for the trial. They also have good training videos and other material. Pricing is fair, too.

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philboy uk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Moneyerr

I offer you to consider exploring "BoomText" SMS marketing services. They offer a 15 days trial to all new clients, this is enough time to determine if this is something you want to move forward with. No credit card is necessary for the trial. They also have good training videos and other material. Pricing is fair, too.

How much do they charge per text message

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Michael Clough

15 years ago

iZigg is great! They own the shortcode "90210"

I've sold many to locals that I do SEO for.....and they love it

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msgpals

15 years ago

DKText.com is the way to go. You do not get number capture but its a great service

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myob

15 years ago

I've been using callfire.com for over four years now selling SMS texting and other telecommunications services. Their service works seamlessly with all platforms and carriers. There is an affiliate program or white label option available.

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Max86

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

I've been using callfire.com for over four years now selling SMS texting and other telecommunications services. Their service works seamlessly with all platforms and carriers. There is an affiliate program or white label option available.

I'm just getting started in the mobile/sms texting business.
What methods are you using to market your services
to businesses.

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TrumpiaTim

14 years ago

If you feel that price is ever an issue to enter the Trumpia White Label Reseller Program feel free to contact me and I'll see if we can run a "Warrior" special!

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kiwichamp 14 years ago

I am playing with Twilio and Textmarks right now - like both so far. So far like both - Twilio of course has the voice option as well which is nice. Textmarks has the short code for those who really insist on having a short code.

I think it is good to have various options to package up depending on client's needs.
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