Why we're wrong & Google is ALWAYS right...

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(Quick note: the post below is partially from another thread I posted in. I created this post as I'd like to spark some discussion and debate given the current direction Google is heading. Perhaps I'll ruffle a few feathers as well - in good spirit of course)

The backbone of Googles business model depends on providing a quality user experience so that users keep coming back and using Google as their primary search engine. In order to do that they have to continually strive at providing the highest quality and most relevant search results for every user search query.

The reality of content farms, auto blogs and most affiliates sites is that they are filled with content that is utter garbage. What is happening now with ezine articles, eHow and other spammy sites is going to continue to happen as long as Google is in business.

Those sites will have to raise their quality standard or they will lose authority and rankings in Google. It's simply a matter of time.

All you need to do is put your self in Googles position...

What would you do if you where Google and sites like Ezine articles where dominating crucial search positions that could be held by sites that have higher quality and more relevant content...

We as marketers have a choice...

We can fight Google and exploit holes and loopholes in their algorithm and try to "game" them over time. Which honestly works and is a valid way of getting traffic. But if we choose this philosophy we have to understand that we will forever be trying to manipulate Google and find ways to out smart their algorithm. (which will always be doable to some degree as long as a bot is involved)

Or...

We can work with Google and build quality websites and use the Internet in the manner that Google envisions...The reality is Google owns and runs Google.com with its own vision and standards. It's their choice as it is for any business to run their business with their own set of principles, values and vision. Google cannot stop us from having a website but they can stop us from being part of their search index as it is their product.

From what Google says and does...

They want us legitimately participating in the conversation within our market and creating websites that have quality content that users value and perhaps also providing a continual stream of fresh content.

There hope and goal is that the top ranking websites are ran by people who are passionate about their subject matter and who actually give a damn. It's really common sense when you break it down...

The choice is ours...

Many SEO types like to argue that Google's product is based on "other" peoples work and that all they do is scrape "our" content. Its as if Google owes us in someway since we allow them to use "our" content to populate their index...

I'd like to propose another point of view...

What if we look at Google like a massive public "bookstore" or "library index". They allow any business or publisher to place their book or index their book inside this massive highly trafficked library for free!

They ask for no revenue or direct profits that come from us being part of their store/global distribution channel. They will gladly list any "publisher" as long as they truly provide value to their customers.

Instead of making money from us they make money by having a side business within their store/distribution channel (like a star-bucks in your local Barnes and Nobles)...

From this angle they are doing us a favor by giving us the ability to potentially be found by millions of customers or readers...

What's funny is that at the Internet's current stage people view a listing in Google almost as some kind of entitlement. If you took this scenario off-line you would see how ass backwards this philosophy is...

If Google was a physical "place" that got tons of foot traffic and allowed your business to set up shop for free...would you take more consideration to what type of store you'd set up inside the "Google"? Would you be willing to do as Google asked considering all they want you to do is treat your customers well and not peddle them crap?...

Much love, health, wealth & prosperity,
Daniel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    Originally Posted by Daniel Deegan View Post

    (We can fight Google and exploit holes and loopholes in their algorithm and try to "game" them over time.

    Or...

    We can work with Google and build quality websites and use the Internet in the manner that Google envisions...
    Or... third option:

    Stop relying on Google. Quit putting all of our eggs in Google's basket. The fact of the matter is that Google doesn't give a damn about the quality of information on the internet -- Google is about what makes them the most money. If content farms and junk directories made them the most money, then that's what their algo would favor in search results.

    Google sees the future, understands that social search has the potential to dethrone them as the kings of search-based revenue, and they know they'd better try and do something, anything to save their asses.

    Google may not be at the top forever. I remember when Webcrawler was #1... and when Go.com came along and introduced PPC to search...

    And Altavista...
    And HotBot...
    And Northern Light...
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  • Profile picture of the author Carlsbadd
    Kinda agree with Steven on this one.
    I prefer to game google rather than try to make some kind of temporary peace
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    I have another vision about this matter.

    I’m a daily content producer. Thus, I'm glad with the new change in Google’s search algorithms.

    Since I’m constantly creating quality content based on real knowledge, I don’t think that Google is making me any favor for showing my articles to their readers. I’m providing free useful content to the public. Thus, I’m doing a favor to all search engines for writing quality content that they can display to their users with pride.

    Of course, Google is also helping me promote my websites. Therefore, I’m getting paid thanks to the visitors my sites get from Google.

    However, I'm not satisfied with Google’s promotion because they keep giving many advantages to websites that have poor content only because they are old and they have many backlinks; and I don’t think that this change is really eliminating duplicate content.

    I believe that Google is merely ‘a marketer’, totally indifferent to justice. Their automatic system cannot really analyze a website’s content because it doesn’t have the capacity to criticize the content’s quality.

    They are simply trying to get rid of ‘visible’ spam. Well camouflaged spam will still prevail online without any problems.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    Originally Posted by Daniel Deegan View Post


    There hope and goal is that the top ranking websites are ran by people who are passionate about their subject matter and who actually give a damn. It's really common sense when you break it down...

    The choice is ours...

    Many SEO types like to argue that Google's product is based on "other" peoples work and that all they do is scrape "our" content. Its as if Google owes us in someway since we allow them to use "our" content to populate their index...

    I'd like to propose another point of view...

    What if we look at Google like a massive public "bookstore" or "library index". They allow any business or publisher to place their book or index their book inside this massive highly trafficked library for free!
    Google don't care at all about the people behind the websites that appear in their listings. All they want is that when a user types something into the search box they are satisfied with the results they get. It doesn't matter if the #1 site is put together by some faceless corporation paying peanuts (or nothing at all) to writers to churn out copy. Or if a dedicated and passionate expert puts out a truly wonderful site just for the love of it.

    Google's product is largely based on other people's work. They work as a middleman between the customer and the provider. They will lose customers if people think there is a better search engine out there. But they make their money through advertising. Any business that makes money through advertising must sacrifice something in the way of quality (think of how newspapers choose their stories to best fit the needs of their advertisers. If newspaper A has a big contract with a car company then news reports that put people off buying cars will not appear in the paper).

    This being so, what Google wants is the following:
    • To be the preferred Search Engine of choice
    • To make the most money out of their listings
    Every decision they make has these two objectives in mind.

    Thinking of Google as a bookstore is useful. Bookstores stock and display their books in a very particular way. They do not care about who writes the books, why the books are written, or why people want to read them. They stock and display the books they think customers want to buy and they display these books in the way that makes them the most money.

    This being so, what Bookstores want is the following:
    • To be the preferred Bookstore of choice
    • To make the most money out of how they display their books
    If I write a book and publish it myself, I can approach the bookstore and ask if they'll stock it. Ignoring the games played with book distributors, the bookshop will offer me various packages.
    • I can have it in the window
    • I can have it on a table near the entrance/by the stairs in the appropriate dept.
    • I can enter it one of their 'competitions' (it will be judged on its merits but only books that have paid to enter get judged)
    • I can have it displayed prominently
    All of these packages cost money. The bookstore may also ask for discounts (supermarkets in the UK can and will ask up to 90% off).

    The point is. There is no way you can write a book, however passionate you are and how ever useful it is, and compete with other books published by very well financed publishing houses. The solution of course, is to market your book elsewhere or try to get one of the big publishing houses to publish and promote it.

    However, there isn't really a similar solution with Google. You could try to get by without seeking placement in the search engines but at the moment it doesn't seem like an option for many.

    Unlike with a bricks and mortar bookstore however you have more of a chance with Google

    If you don't have, say £10k to get your book on a promotional table at a large Bookstore, then you don't have it. Your book won't be prominently placed (or won't be placed at all) and there's nothing you can do about it.

    With Google you can attempt to use SEO wisely and effectively to get your website to the top of Google, get noticed and establish yourself.

    However, and this is important, Google doesn't care if you or anyone like you succeeds in getting to the top

    If their customers (the search engine users) are happy with all the top spots being taken by the big players (amazon, the bbc, websites of media corporations) then Google are happy.

    Unless you are one of the big guys then you will always be struggling to find way of getting noticed and getting your site to the top. Even if what you do is perfectly reasonable, white hat seo, if it works others will copy and soon everyone will be doing it. Google will then slap it down and take these - now abused - methods away. So you've got to get your thinking cap back on.

    Ultimately there is no point trying to be Google's friend or think "if I do everything they want then they'll like me and put me number 1".
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

      Thinking of Google as a bookstore is useful. Bookstores stock and display their books in a very particular way. They do not care about who writes the books, why the books are written, or why people want to read them. They stock and display the books they think customers want to buy and they display these books in the way that makes them the most money.

      This being so, what Bookstores want is the following:
      • To be the preferred Bookstore of choice
      • To make the most money out of how they display their books
      The problem is Google doesn't own the books (sites), so nobody cares what Google wants.

      When they start creating content then they will be able to control anything in their SERPs that they want, until then (will never happen) they'll have to deal with it for years to come.

      Bet they wish they would have never went public with that IPO a few years back, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
      Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

      However, there isn't really a similar solution with Google. You could try to get by without seeking placement in the search engines but at the moment it doesn't seem like an option for many.

      Unlike with a bricks and mortar bookstore however you have more of a chance with Google

      If you don't have, say £10k to get your book on a promotional table at a large Bookstore, then you don't have it. Your book won't be prominently placed (or won't be placed at all) and there's nothing you can do about it.

      With Google you can attempt to use SEO wisely and effectively to get your website to the top of Google, get noticed and establish yourself.

      However, and this is important, Google doesn't care if you or anyone like you succeeds in getting to the top

      If their customers (the search engine users) are happy with all the top spots being taken by the big players (amazon, the bbc, websites of media corporations) then Google are happy.

      Unless you are one of the big guys then you will always be struggling to find way of getting noticed and getting your site to the top. Even if what you do is perfectly reasonable, white hat seo, if it works others will copy and soon everyone will be doing it. Google will then slap it down and take these - now abused - methods away. So you've got to get your thinking cap back on.

      Ultimately there is no point trying to be Google's friend or think "if I do everything they want then they'll like me and put me number 1".
      This is a good point that I agree with and disagree with. You say you can't compete with sites like Amazon, BBC or other large media outlets, but in reality you can...

      If someone creates a website similar to the way a person writes a book, meaning full of useful content and hopefully some level of passion for the subject matter and then they follow promotion methods that parallel that of an author or publisher, odds are they will do quite well with Google...(if not now then someday)

      For example, like the author of a real book, you would get out there and promote your self (your website). You join and create conversations that occur on-line about your subject matter. Using blogs, featured articles, guest posts, social media, forums, etc to gain recognition and authority...

      Anywhere people interested in your topic hangout you hangout. Just like a real author would....

      Do that, for a long enough period of time and odds are you will rise to the top of the search results naturally. Or better put that is what Google is striving for.

      That is the algorithm Google is trying to perfect...

      A search results page where people/publishers like the author I described above get top rankings because of how the naturally interact with the subject relevant people and places on-line...

      On a side note, I just want to point out that I bring this all up as food for thought and discussion. I like Steven am not a fan of leaving Google in total control of my traffic or potential customer acquisition. However whether we like it or not, Google is a great source of traffic that would be foolish to completely ignore or completely rely on...
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    I understand the point. But right now, not everybody can accept that quality is indeed over quality now. It is much easier to stick to the usual SEO techniques that the folks are talking about to manipulate their rankings.

    I really hope to see a cleaner search results in Google of course. Right now there are some speculations that facebook shall be the number 2 search engine? no one can be so sure of what will happen but it is up to us to manage our sites and give the quality content that our readers deserve.

    Andrea
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  • Profile picture of the author chooch
    Google is just the starting point. There will be a ripple effect through the other search engines, so as to not loose any more ground to Google.

    This last algorithm change slapped one of my sites pretty hard. It had been ranked #2 or #3 for the last few months... now that site is ranked #40.

    So... it looks like I'm going to have to figure out just what Google wants now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    When Facebook introduces their search platform, the game will change dramatically, for Google and everyone else.
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