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Guru Mixed Messages - Your Thoughts Please

by Meltex
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As a newbie, I recently purchased 2 WSO's that I thought would help me. The two experts seem to contradict each other, and I would like to ask anyone with experience which one is correct.

The first expert says you can do your keyword research, get affiliate products, grab a domain, put up your optimized website, drive traffic, etc. etc., and realize sales practically right away.

The second expert, an SEO business owner, says that new domains will not be ranked in Google for around 6 months, which if true, means no one will find my sites until March!

I'm confused and a little disillusioned right now, and would appreciate any words of wisdom or examples of your experience. Thanks.
#guru #messages #mixed #thoughts
  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    I have heard seo advisers say that some backlinks might not be 'credited' for 3 months, there are plenty of reports of sites gaining traction, getting onto page 1 in a week. IT does seem that one has to go easy on getting backlinks on a brand new domain, 6 months old is about the time when you can go full bore in backlinking.

    The first one mentioned 'driving traffic', a term more associated with paid advertisement clicks, rather than seo.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by webapex View Post

      The first one mentioned 'driving traffic', a term more associated with paid advertisement clicks, rather than seo.
      oops, i missed that.. you are right !
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Originally Posted by Meltex View Post

    As a newbie, I recently purchased 2 WSO's that I thought would help me. The two experts seem to contradict each other, and I would like to ask anyone with experience which one is correct.
    Im going to try and answer, but im going to ignore the "guru" part,
    as that may start a pissing contest. only reason i am answering this
    is i have a feeling not to many people are going to respond

    Originally Posted by Meltex View Post

    The first expert says you can do your keyword research, get affiliate products, grab a domain, put up your optimized website, drive traffic, etc. etc., and realize sales practically right away.
    i have personally had stuff ranked in google within days, sometimes
    even hrs. i am not a google guru by any means. sometimes
    it just happens. if this happens, and you have a decent offer
    and a good call to action, yes you can def makes sales right away.

    Originally Posted by Meltex View Post

    The second expert, an SEO business owner, says that new domains will not be ranked in Google for around 6 months, which if true, means no one will find my sites until March!
    This is more in line of how it really happens most of the time.
    6 months is a bit high, for me again, a non guru, usually 1 to 3 months.
    Originally Posted by Meltex View Post

    I'm confused and a little disillusioned right now, and would appreciate any words of wisdom or examples of your experience. Thanks.
    seo, key ranking, IM niche sales in general are confusing, nobody here
    started off without the same questions.

    nobody here can tell you what will work 100% of the time.

    every single day, the game changes a little , some times more then
    once a day.

    the best piece of advice i can give you. "JUST DO IT"

    you will not know what will work for you, until you try something, anything
    and expect to fail, and lose money. the trick is to try and lose as little as possible, and to learn each strep of the way.

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author genhorrall
      First off Meltex,

      I am going to make a suggestion. That when you buy a product you stay with just that product. One thing that a lot of marketers share is the shiny object syndrome. It is not exactly ADD, but the need to try and work more than one system at a time is not really the best practice. This business in order to be successful requires a laser focus.

      So as for the two WSO's you got, they are both right. At least from the experience of the marketers that created them. So the question is one of the systems seems more viable to you. Which one do you feel that you can do each day? This is the one that you should follow. Put the other one away or ask for a refund, depending how you feel about the product.

      Try and remember to do one thing at a time and give it all your attention. It really is the best to be focused when you are working. Trust me this business can be very good to you, if you take the time and the focus to build it.

      And just a heads up if you work your business everyday (5 days a week) for a full 90 days you usually start to see results. This is not an over night business. There are things that you can do to make money online till then, but to make a name and a brand takes time. =D
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    Google picks up sites almost overnight these days. I see a site appearing the next night after creation on google. Maybe they are referring to "ranking well"? Or getting to number 1?

    Test it, buy a domain, put up a basic wordpress site straight away and see how long it takes to appear in google. Do a search for "yourdomain" and it will come up in the results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Meltex
      Originally Posted by WSOHelp View Post

      Maybe they are referring to "ranking well"? Or getting to number 1?
      Yes, ranking well, as in page 1 of Google (and preferably in the top 5 results on page.)
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      • Profile picture of the author Meltex
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        i have personally had stuff ranked in google within days, sometimes
        even hrs. i am not a google guru by any means. sometimes
        it just happens. if this happens, and you have a decent offer
        and a good call to action, yes you can def makes sales right away.

        seo, key ranking, IM niche sales in general are confusing, nobody here
        started off without the same questions.

        nobody here can tell you what will work 100% of the time.

        every single day, the game changes a little , some times more then
        once a day.

        the best piece of advice i can give you. "JUST DO IT"

        you will not know what will work for you, until you try something, anything
        and expect to fail, and lose money. the trick is to try and lose as little as possible, and to learn each strep of the way.
        All of this encourages me! Thanks for sharing, Ken

        Originally Posted by londoncoffee View Post

        You can backlink from day 1. Nothing wrong with that. Just do it naturally. Don't pay a guy on Fiverr.com $5 to give you a thousand backlinks. Google will see it and just slap your PR.
        Write unique content, and nothing wrong with bookmarking it or sharing it on other sites. Google will then index you and reward you.
        Google wants to be the BEST SEARCH ENGINE and nothing wrong with that. It rewards real websites, real content and real links. That's how it knows a site is becoming popular: people will link to you, recommend your site and basically all this will create a google profile of your domain. Too many BS marketers are feeding this forum with so many BlueFart ways to get ranked. It might work for a few weeks, then watch google slam you down onto page 50000. That's why so may scammers sell flippa.com sites within 3 weeks of setting up - because they've been promoted with BlueFart tactics and owners need to sell before the storm hits.
        Good luck!
        All that you said lines up with my first "expert," so I think I may have to kick the second one to the curb! Thanks again.


        Originally Posted by Mick Meaney View Post

        Both are right.

        You can drive traffic to your site while you're waiting for it to rank in Google.

        Buying traffic is a good solution while you're waiting.. and still even after you've ranked.
        Good suggestion to consider!


        Originally Posted by genhorrall View Post

        So the question is one of the systems seems more viable to you.

        Try and remember to do one thing at a time and give it all your attention. It really is the best to be focused when you are working. Trust me this business can be very good to you, if you take the time and the focus to build it.
        This is it! As I said to Londoncoffee above, my first "expert" seems to be the most viable, and I've decided that at this point, I should follow his suggestions and put #2 to the side.
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        • Profile picture of the author genhorrall
          Meltex,

          I think that is a good idea. A lot of people that start off in marketing start with the affiliate strategy and here is why it is so good. Because you do not have to come up with a product all your own right away. Not to mention if people feel you are new, they may not feel you have the "respect/expert" knowledge yet, but if you are honest and write honestly about your experience and thoughts you can gain trust relatively easily.

          So remember that when you are doing this, to be trust worthy and honest. Have a great time. Review the heck out of stuff if you have to. Whatever it takes, follow the course that you bought. Do what it says. Learn those skills, till you can do them in your sleep.

          Then after you are getting some traffic and some sign ups to your list, you can go back and learn the SEO part of a website. I can tell you there are lot of people that do not know a darn thing about SEO and can make a good run of this business even with crummy, ugly little websites ,because they are honest, write well, and are trust worthy to their audience. But learning SEO takes time to do it well, so it really is a do it later rather than sooner thing, in my opinion.

          I think you made a great decision. Hope to hear about your success, in the next few months. =D

          And remember it usually takes a good 90 days to do something well enough to get really true results. Looking forward to seeing what you have gotten done in three months.
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  • Profile picture of the author londoncoffee
    You can backlink from day 1. Nothing wrong with that. Just do it naturally. Don't pay a guy on Fiverr.com $5 to give you a thousand backlinks. Google will see it and just slap your PR.
    Write unique content, and nothing wrong with bookmarking it or sharing it on other sites. Google will then index you and reward you.
    Google wants to be the BEST SEARCH ENGINE and nothing wrong with that. It rewards real websites, real content and real links. That's how it knows a site is becoming popular: people will link to you, recommend your site and basically all this will create a google profile of your domain. Too many BS marketers are feeding this forum with so many blackhat ways to get ranked. It might work for a few weeks, then watch google slam you down onto page 50000. That's why so may scammers sell flippa.com sites within 3 weeks of setting up - because they've been promoted with blackhat tactics and owners need to sell before the storm hits.
    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Both are right.

    You can drive traffic to your site while you're waiting for it to rank in Google.


    Buying traffic is a good solution while you're waiting.. and still even after you've ranked.
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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    Well both are right.

    You are getting confused due to the fact they employ two totally different strategy to making money.

    One focuses on affiliate, and not on SEO, and the other the opposite.
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    • Profile picture of the author Meltex
      Originally Posted by Suthan M View Post


      You are getting confused due to the fact they employ two totally different strategy to making money.

      One focuses on affiliate, and not on SEO, and the other the opposite.

      I think you are onto something here, Suthan!
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    As with most things, it depends.

    The two "experts" are talking about different things, but regardless of that, there are two main factors that influence how long it will take to rank your site on page 1

    1. Existing competition. If all the sites in the top 10 positions are well established authority sites with lots of backlinks, it may take an eternity to beat them (or possibly never).

    2. Your off-page SEO strategy. Quality link building is the key as to how fast and how well you will rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    There is no correct answer. Google will see your posts, for example, on wordpress, within 24 hours and might even index your site.

    But to get to the top 10 of google is an art, it involves a lot of research


    If my targeted kws are
    Girls buying yellow bikinis in Albany NY    ,


    I can probably rank first or top 3 for a term like that since it is searched for very low amount of searches per month, and the competition would be very low.......within a week or two

    If the kw was CAR INSURANCE
    where thousands and thousand of websites are desperately trying to get to the top 10, my chances would be extremely low, as a newbie I would say that would be impossible. Too many people with big bank accounts and paid staff trying to get that top positions location

    But as far as google indexing your site, this usually does not take more than a day or two. For example
    Each post on this forum
    Google sees those posts as a new page
    You can take 8 words of unique text in one of these posts, and you will find that post on Google within 24 hours and it will most likely rank number 1 for that post, since the word combination is unique

    Google spiders crawl this forum on a regular basis
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  • Profile picture of the author terrapurus
    Most educators in this game were making your coffee 12 months ago. Find the one that has real world marketing experience (minimum 10 years) with atleast a $5 million dollar internet based turnover (excluding IM products) and go with what he/she says.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetMarketingIQ
    Build it and they will come doesn't work.

    Any page can rank right out of the box.

    Don't believe me? Then make a site with a nonsense keyword and domain. List it in your sig file.

    Search for that keyword in a couple of days. It will come up.

    The trick is not how old but how much competition there is and how Google/Bing choose to use the "newness" of your site as a filter for ranking.

    The most important thing you can do is always create a plan.. do all your research not just your keyword research. Get everything in place. Make sure you know your competition.

    Then you can build, then you can work on your plan.

    That's what marketing is... figuring who your customer is, what you can offer them, then getting that offer in front of them... measuring the offer, and adjusting the offer for maximum conversion.
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