Keyword Tools Are Wrong

by nest28
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Well now that I think about it, it's not so much that they are wrong as much as it is about them not showing every keyword phrase available. Somebody once commented on my old thread saying they thought I was leaving money on the table by not going after 2 word phrases with high exact search count.

Well I think he was wrong. I've been looking into using Google analytic's to to see how people got to my sites, and what pages received the most traffic.

Guess what, the articles with the most traffic were the ones with analytic phrases as post titles, also these same phrases have a search count of 0 when checking Google keyword tool. I guess they just include those searches in broad/phrase counts.

Here are some stats from articles with analytic phrases as post titles. This info is from a 12 month time frame.

Visits

article 1- 725

article 2- 667

article 3-525

article 4- 359

article 5-327

article 6-310

article 7-297

article 8-217

article9- 213

article 10- 151

These were all pages people found in serps, all pages have a average time of 1 min at least, which means they stayed to read these articles.

Now of course there are people like these numbers aren't impressive , especially if your talking about a time frame of a year.

Think about this, a large authority site with 500 pages, let's say each page will only receive 300 visits in a year, that would still come out to 150,000 visits a year, and 12,500 a month. Now in a high paying niche with adsense and cpa offers you could very well make a couple thousand from that traffic.


Now let's double those figures, let's say you take the time out to make a 1,000 page site. You would be looking at receiving 300,000 visits a year, and 25,000 visits a month.

Most of the traffic you will receive will be from keywords that suppose to have a search count of 0.

If you take the time to build a large, quality site the traffic/money will come. Don't rush things, so many of you want to see money 2 weeks after making a site, and when you don't you think what ever methods you were following don't work.

Also I've said it before and I'll say it again, follow principles of making a good site, not what I'm doing or the next guy that say's hey I make 5,000 a month from doing blah,blah,blah.

Make 2 year plan, build a large site in a niche with high paying keywords, promote your sites using social media and any other way you can think of.

If you start thinking of thing in terms of years and not weeks you'll be better off, also once you change your thinking to years and thousand page site, your income will rise to more than what you had originally imagined.


Also think about this, I'm talking about receiving all this traffic directly to your sites. If you take a 2 word phrase that has 30,000 exact searches you automatically have to cut that in half, so if your number 1 you'll probably get 15,000 visits, and the number of visits just decrease the lower your position is in the serps.

But the figures above aren't from a keyword phrase that you have to subtract, those figures are what you will get from your site. Think about ranking for hundred or thousands of keywords not just one keyword because it has a high search volume.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryHaywood
    Nice post Nest. I think you're right about the long-term approach as starting a new site takes time to start making money. I myself have started a new site which is my main site now, less than 3 weeks old, and I am already chomping at the bits for some income off it.

    500, 1000 pages seems so far off, but I know that if I were to reach that I would certainly be making some kind of money off this site. Anyways, keep up the good work!
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    If you think about it, the average marketer will buy a bunch of domains, try 15 different adsense methods and in the end most will fail to make a dime.

    Out of all the methods I've come across making a 1,000 page site is the only one that I know for a fact will make money. Anyone could be making a couple grand a month from such a site, but most will never even attempt to make a site like that.

    When you think about all the lil niches sites you made that failed, and all the domain names you bought,software and backlink packages, and the list goes on, all of that time,money and content could have went into one large site.

    If I had started making a large site 2 years ago I'd most likely have a site that make 3,000 a month and is worth 70,000 on flippa.

    There are no trick with this method, no short cuts, just make a large site that people like. So easy, yet very few would even consider it.

    Edit: I even remember X-factor saying he had a very large medical site that makes him 3,000 a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryHaywood
    And this is great as long as your one site doesn't catch a penalty. I tried to build a large site in the stock market niche previously and scrapped it after Penguin. I had a few thousand articles indexed but only a handful of articles that were unique to the site. I always thought if i could just get one hit a day to each article, I'd be making bank easy. It just never happened. lol

    I should also say I didn't really dedicate myself to quality link building and chased the easy bulk automated methods.

    Live and learn I guess... most people fail many times before they get it right.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by LarryHaywood View Post

      And this is great as long as your one site doesn't catch a penalty. I tried to build a large site in the stock market niche previously and scrapped it after Penguin. I had a few thousand articles indexed but only a handful of articles that were unique to the site. I always thought if i could just get one hit a day to each article, I'd be making bank easy. It just never happened. lol

      I should also say I didn't really dedicate myself to quality link building and chased the easy bulk automated methods.

      Live and learn I guess... most people fail many times before they get it right.
      You seem to have made the same mistake I did, wrong type of links. That why I'm not backlinking to my new sites, it's the only way not to get a penalty, let your visitors backlink for you.

      At the very most I would say build a few quality links a month.
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        You seem to have made the same mistake I did, wrong type of links. That why I'm not backlinking to my new sites, it's the only way not to get a penalty, let your visitors backlink for you.

        At the very most I would say build a few quality links a month.

        What happens when you have a site that has 1000's of legitimate keywords?
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    Yeah, I've made plenty of mistakes... This time I'm creating buffer sites to accept the majority of the link building I do, which will be manually done for the most part instead of automated or questionable backlinks. I think that's definitely a shortcut I will avoid this time around.

    I like your idea of all natural backlinks, but to compete I will have to do some backlinking.

    Best of luck with your method.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shadowflux
      One thing I've learned about keywords is that it's great to target certain main keywords but you can never really be sure what will bring the visitors to your site. I think you can compete fairly well, even in a competitive niche, by employing naturally related keywords throughout the content.

      Your main keyword may be "cheating man", for instance, but you may pull in visitors from things like "lipstick on collar", "more distant", "works late not at office" so you can never really be 100% sure what will pull traffic until you test it.
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by Shadowflux View Post

        One thing I've learned about keywords is that it's great to target certain main keywords but you can never really be sure what will bring the visitors to your site. I think you can compete fairly well, even in a competitive niche, by employing naturally related keywords throughout the content.

        Your main keyword may be "cheating man", for instance, but you may pull in visitors from things like "lipstick on collar", "more distant", "works late not at office" so you can never really be 100% sure what will pull traffic until you test it.
        See when I get terms in analytic's like the ones you suggested I'll make a article on them and most times I'll see some traffic. Case in point, the 10 example articles I show above, one of them has 700 visits all because I took a phrase from analytic's and made it my post title.


        So "cheating man" may lead to me getting traffic from "lipstick on collar" and the funny thing is if I made a article on that I may receive traffic like "If my boyfriend has lipstick on his collar does it mean he's cheating" or even "how to get lipstick stain out collar" lol, the second one would have nothing to do with my site content but hey maybe that person will see unique ads from his search history, that may say tide bleach or something.
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    I've always been a believer of quality content/sites delivers traffic, it's worked for me.

    One of my favorite sites on the net is inc.com, I enjoy reading about successful business, it's not necessarily only about IM types business it's just business in general.

    Anyways, I was reading this article a few days ago & I think this guy nailed it with this comment.

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    I believe that, from Day One, you should build a business as if it's going to be sold—even if you never intend to sell it. When you look at it the way a potential buyer would, you notice things you might otherwise ignore, including improvements you can make and best practices you can adopt.
    If you follow that advice above, IMO it's almost impossible to not force yourself to deliver a quality product/content/site.

    I like that guy, he's my hero, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I've always been a believer of quality content/sites delivers traffic, it's worked for me.

      One of my favorite sites on the net is inc.com, I enjoy reading about successful business, it's not nessacerarly only about IM types business it's just business in general.

      Anyways, I was reading this article a few days ago & I think this guy nailed it with this comment.

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      If you follow that advice above, IMO it's almost impossible to not force yourself to deliver a quality product/content/site.

      I like that guy, he's my hero, lol.
      LOL, I try my best to treat this as a business as much as possible. It wasn't until recently thought I started to think big, big in the sense of building very large sites, thinking big in the sense of hey maybe I can make 30,000 month from adsense, vs being happy with a what I made before.

      Thanks for telling us about that site, all I do is read about IM,business in general so this is right up my alley.
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  • Profile picture of the author eplanellas
    What would make the project of building a great big website like that is having a good article writer in your corner. There are some who are so good they can pump out 20 articles a day, meaning that if you really worked hard with them you could make 100 pages a week, giving you a 1000 page site in about 10-12 weeks max. I know because I have been an online write for a long time and can write up to 30 high quality orginal keyword rich articles a day.

    Still working at picking up production rates though...
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