About Relevent Links

Banned 10 years ago

Links don't have to be relevant to be able to rank without risk of penalties.

I rank all my own sites with zero relevant links, never ran into any issue's.

The only relevance of my link is that it's surrounded by relevant content on that page, but that's it.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Links don't have to be relevant to be able to rank without risk of penalties.

I rank all my own sites with zero relevant links, never ran into any issue's.

The only relevance of my link is that it's surrounded by relevant content on that page, but that's it.

Nice vacation Dennis?

^^^
But that kind of doesn't make sense.

If "it's surrounded by relevant content on that page", then it's a relevant link.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Nice vacation Dennis?

Yes just came back from Chiang Mai, next month up to Phuket!

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

If "it's surrounded by relevant content on that page", then it's a relevant link.

OP is talking about domains, not individual pages.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Yes just came back from Chiang Mai, next month up to Phuket!

Nice Life

Originally Posted by nik0

OP is talking about domains, not individual pages.

True,
I guess now's the time to tell the OP that relevancy is on a page level and not a site level.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Nice Life

Can't complain too much I suppose

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

True,
I guess now's the time to tell the OP that relevancy is on a page level and not a site level.

I don't know, relevancy go's a lot further then just page level.

Take backlinko for example, ranking for tough keywords with just a few dozen links from sites relevant to his niche. Would these links have come from non relevant sites he would probably need more links.

I would prefer a link from SEroundtable for my SEO site any day any time above a link from some expired non relevant PR6 domain.

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Joe118 10 years ago

Just my opinion, but I strongly disagree about relevance going further than page scope. There's simply NO evidence that this is so, and there's STRONG evidence that a link with relevant anchor text or in close proximity to relevant test works better than a bare link with no relevant text on the page.

YMMV.
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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

I don't know, relevancy go's a lot further then just page level.

Take backlinko for example, ranking for tough keywords with just a few dozen links from sites relevant to his niche. Would these links have come from non relevant sites he would probably need more links.

I would prefer a link from SEroundtable for my SEO site any day any time above a link from some expired non relevant PR6 domain.

Working on the presumption that the linking page would be already linked internally itself from relevant pages, and each of those respective pages linking to it would also have their own group of both internal and external relevant links.

YES

But that can never really be taken for granted.

So for sure

Relevant > Relevant

Would not hold the same weight as

Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant
>Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant >Relevant

But it's still going to be on a page level no matter which way you slice it.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Working on the presumption that the linking page would be already linked internally itself from relevant pages, and each of those respective pages linking to it would also have their own group of both internal and external relevant links.

I think it's safe to assume that when you get a link from a well structured site that it's linked from other relevant pages.

Anyway, no need to explain.

What I find more interesting is how we can fake relevancy in the best way possible. Is it really just relevant page --> relevant page --> relevant page or is there more to it. It sounds so easy to do it like that.

Say we have an expired domain about arts and we're looking to rank for car insurance. We place a homepage link and that homepage has like 200 arts related incoming links, is it even possible to fake relevancy here by adding a handful of links from relevant pages or is the relevancy completely dilluted by the 200 existing links.

Or should we for example create a brand new post that's linked from the homepage to pass juice and then point 5 links from relevant "pages" at it and do a better job of faking relevancy in the eye's of Google.

Such things would make a nice case study.

I know of one service provider on this forum that he does like this:

- buy a PR1/PR2 domain for his customer
- publish 4 posts
- posts 4 links to post 3, post 3 links to post 2, post 2 links to post 1, post 1 links to his clients site

Obvious all 4 posts are hyper relevant to the keyword the client wants to rank for.

First I was impressed by the results as the client that I reversed didn't seem to have much links but obvious it's easy to block those crawlers so it says nothing.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

What I find more interesting is how we can fake relevancy in the best way possible. Is it really just relevant page --> relevant page --> relevant page or is there more to it. It sounds so easy to do it like that.

I'm getting great results with this.

Auth domain with un-optimized profile
Homepage linking to internals with low comp anchor
Internal pages linking back to homepage with money site anchor
Homepage link to money site with same anchor

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

I'm getting great results with this.

Auth domain with un-optimized profile
Homepage linking to internals with low comp anchor
Internal pages linking back to homepage with money site anchor
Homepage link to money site with same anchor

With un-optimized profile you mean a domain that has mainly "brand" anchors like domain name / URL?

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

With un-optimized profile you mean a domain that has mainly "brand" anchors like domain name / URL?

Yeah, raw url and branding.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Yeah, raw url and branding.

You think Google mainly bases the relevance on a page level and anchor text?

I would think Google would be smarter then that and give a domain a certain relevancy grade / index number or whatever. That way a domain can still be seen as irrelevant or relevant based on how relevant the sites linking to it are instead of just looking at the anchor text's being used.

It just seems to easy to create high relevant links in an artificial way, sure we don't know how deep Google looks into it so it might work for them as the links pointing at the authority domain are just one level deep where they can't determine the relevance while at the linking sites it becomes clear soon enough.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

You think Google mainly bases the relevance on a page level and anchor text?

I would think Google would be smarter then that and give a domain a certain relevancy grade / index number or whatever. That way a domain can still be seen as irrelevant or relevant based on how relevant the sites linking to it are instead of just looking at the anchor text's being used.

It just seems to easy to create high relevant links in an artificial way, sure we don't know how deep Google looks into it so it might work for them as the links pointing at the authority domain are just one level deep where they can't determine the relevance while at the linking sites it becomes clear soon enough.

To me it's more about what is within my scope to do, rather then best practice. The idea of Tiering bought domains with a bunch of "relevant" text but worthless in juice links is not my cup of tea. I see is it as too much of a dilution of a perfectly good link profile.

What I do-do

is rather build the relevant pages linking to the authority page internally. Building the relevance from there rather then doing anything externally with weak links that dilute a perfectly good link profile. And also leaving the profile with its ass open for the next penguin update.

I guess my situation (markets) are very different to the average SEO'er too, being that it is next to impossible for me to ever pick up niche related domains that have not been spammed to death with all kinds of pharma xrumer spam. So my only real option without adding new externals is to do it internally instead.

So what I'm trying to say is, that you can build relevant link structures internally a lot easier and safer then you can externally. And for me the results have been really positive with that approach.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

To me it's more about what is within my scope to do, rather then best practice. The idea of Tiering bought domains with a bunch of "relevant" text but worthless in juice links is not my cup of tea. I see is it as too much of a dilution of a perfectly good link profile.

What I do-do

is rather build the relevant pages linking to the authority page internally. Building the relevance from there rather then doing anything externally with weak links that dilute a perfectly good link profile. And also leaving the profile with its ass open for the next penguin update.

I guess my situation (markets) are very different to the average SEO'er too, being that it is next to impossible for me to ever pick up niche related domains that have not been spammed to death with all kinds of pharma xrumer spam. So my only real option without adding new externals is to do it internally instead.

So what I'm trying to say is, that you can build relevant link structures internally a lot easier and safer then you can externally. And for me the results have been really positive with that approach.

I wanted to test a couple of different approaches so will definitely try this one out as well, it doesn't take too much too test.

I never intended to build weak links for the sake of relevant text or anchors, I was thinking more of a high PR chain really, so high PR domain linking to high PR domain etc, however that will obvious start to leave footprints at a certain point or it will become pretty damn expensive when you create many individual lines.

One option that could work is having let's say 3 high PR domains named A, B and C.

A linking to money site
B linking to A and to money site
C linking to A and B and to money site

But when you keep on repeating that it also starts to look obvious of course.

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ophy 10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Links don't have to be relevant to be able to rank without risk of penalties.

I rank all my own sites with zero relevant links, never ran into any issue's.

That's good to know, thank you Nik!
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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

The only relevance of my link is that it's surrounded by relevant content on that page, but that's it.

That's a weaker link than If the entire site was focused on the same subject.

If the entire site was focused on the same subject your backlink page would usually have relevant inbound links on pages with even more relevant inbound links, etc... plus each of those inbound links pointing at the backlink page would all have relevant page titles, etc... Google SERPs focus is relevancy.

It's like comparing a canoe to a cruise ship.

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Joe118

10 years ago

Yukon so you're saying a link from CNN would be weaker than a link from a spam blog about drill bits, if the link was to a drill bit money site?

Generalizations do not work in SEO... Ooops, thats a generalization

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe118

Yukon so you're saying a link from CNN would be weaker than a link from a spam blog about drill bits, if the link was to a drill bit money site?

Generalizations do not work in SEO... Ooops, thats a generalization

If the entire CNN site was only focused on drill bits it would be a stronger link than CNN being random subject pages.

I SEO for long term, I don't play around with links on random domains/pages.

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gustic

10 years ago

seo is about relevant content I thought

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netanel23

10 years ago

I have to chuckle at people that think relevancy is an issue with SEO.

I can outrank your sites with unrelevant high quality links all day while you are worried about getting that SEO link from a "relevant" page.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by netanel23

I have to chuckle at people that think relevancy is an issue with SEO.

I can outrank your sites with unrelevant high quality links all day while you are worried about getting that SEO link from a "relevant" page.

I have to laugh at churn & burn link builders, while I'm ranking pages for years.

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netanel23

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I have to laugh at churn & burn link builders, while I'm ranking pages for years.

That's funny because I'll have the last laugh. I've been ranking my sites stable for YEARS. But ya, churn and burn. Keep singing that sweet song of relevant links and I'll keep ranking while the people that listen to you try and find these ludicrously relevant links.

The fact that you think Google has the resources to analyze links to that caliber is funny. Just think about the extra data processing requirements to do that for something that's overkill. Does that help their bottom line?

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by netanel23

That's funny because I'll have the last laugh. I've been ranking my sites stable for YEARS. But ya, churn and burn. Keep singing that sweet song of relevant links and I'll keep ranking while the people that listen to you try and find these ludicrously relevant links.

The fact that you think Google has the resources to analyze links to that caliber is funny. Just think about the extra data processing requirements to do that for something that's overkill. Does that help their bottom line?

When was the last time you searched for auto insurance & found recipe sites? Google is all about relevancy, that's the whole point of searching a keyword (relevancy).

Ranking pages with random niche links is short term SEO, sure it works but I'm not wasting my time building the same sites/links 20 times over the next few years.

Churn & burn all you want.

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fivercraze

10 years ago

Originally Posted by mika45

I have Two site one is online bedding products sale and second is online t-shirts sale.Can i get bedding link from my t shirt site.Is it will be relevant ? or google can penalize my site.

Links should be on high quality authority sites nothing more is needed for that ..

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DenyA.Wiranata

10 years ago

Many factors for relevant links. Although that link isn't relevant by seo terms, but it will more better if your sites created from different ip address. It can be natural backlink for google indexing.

I agreed with Niko's replied. You should buy from high pr sites service. Unless makes your sites appear natural, it can more better because comes from high pr sites and same niche certainly.

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yukon Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by DenyA.Wiranata

You should buy from high pr sites service.

When was the last time you've seen a site with PR?
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