Inconsistencies between Google Keyword Tool & Wordtracker

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Does anyone know why there is such a wide divergence in results between the google keyword tool and wordtracker?

In doing research for how many times keywords are used per month I am getting totally different results for virtually EVERY phrase I put in.

IE.....I wanted to set up a site to promote a clickbank product for diabetes. So I used the google keyword tool,,,,typed in "diabetes" and it says the term "diabetes 2 cure" gets around 4,000 searches per month.

I picked up the domain diabetes2cure.com and quickly got to number one on google for this keyword. I think i get about 2 hits a day!

On Wordtracker it shows NO RESULTS for diabetes 2 cure.

Since then I have always opened both tools when doing keyword research. If I find a decent looking keyword via Google Keyword Tool, the same keyword shows little, or no searches on Wordtracker and visa versa.

It is driving me a little bit crazy. I know these tools are not meant to give an exact number of searches on google, but you would think there would be SOME level of consistency.

How can you really tell if a keyword is worth building a campaign around with these types of inconisistencies and is there a better way to determine how many searches a keyword gets each month?

thanks
todd
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  • Profile picture of the author mald
    Hi Todd,

    it can be frustrating trying to build not only a solid page rank but also get traffic from the keywords you choose. I did do a quick search on the Wordtracker free tool on 'diabetes 2 cure', and came up with the following results:

    freekeywords[dot]wordtracker.com/?seed=diabetes+2+cure&adult_filter=remove_offensiv e&suggest=Hit+Me]Free Keyword Suggestion Tool From Wordtracker

    There are some other keywords being used that you may want to consider including in your campaign.

    In answer to your question about inconsistencies between the two tools, this is something that you're likely to find between any two keyword research tools. It's largely down to data sources.

    While Google reports impressive search volumes, there are a number of
    caveats:
    • The figures Google provides are not actual searches but approximations. Like WT, Google takes a small sample and extrapolates an estimate from that. It's not clear what size the sample Google takes is, nor what the extrapolation applied to their sample to produce their results is.
    • The default search position is 'broad match'. This highly inflates the search estimates for a particular keyword.

    Here is Google's definition:

    Broad Match - This is the default option. If you include general keyword or keyword phrases (such as tennis shoes) in your keyword list, your ads may appear when users search for tennis and shoes, in any order, and possibly along with other terms. For example, your ad may appear for the queries buy tennis shoes and tennis sneakers but not tennis players. Your ads may also be displayed on relevant variations of your keyword phrases and plurals, as well as some related keywords and phrases via our expanded keyword matching technology.

    Broad matches are often less targeted than exact or phrase matches.

    • The estimates returned by Google also contain searches from Google's content network. That's the wide range of sites that publish Google ads.
    • Google are also reporting monthly estimates while Wordtracker provides daily estimates.
    This means that on first examination the Google counts will seem much higher than WT.

    Wordtracker has always been completely open about where we get our data from. We take our information from two metacrawlers, Dogpile.com and Metacrawler.com. People use such search engines to search Google, MSN and Yahoo at the same time and as such provides very clean bot-free data. We get daily records which represents approximately just under 1% of daily searches across all search engines.

    We have had our sampling and extrapolation methods verified by an independent mathematical consultancy, ThinkTank and are confident they provide valuable information to our many thousands of customers.

    I do hope this is of some help, but if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to contact me at mal[at]wordtracker.com
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      The answer is simple and is also a common problem when people use Google's keyword tool.

      I just checked and you are right when you say that the phrase diabetes 2 cure gets 4400 searches but the fundamental problem is that you had it set to broad match. Set it to exact match and the phrase gets just 140 searches a month. You are actually doing quite well to get a couple of searches per day from that phrase.

      The 4400 searches are made up of searches that include all the words diabetes, 2 and cure in any order whereas exact match has just the phrase diabetes 2 cure. A phrase match means that your diabetes 2 cure phrase can have other words in it but the phrase always is in that order.

      Wordtracker gets its data from sources like dogpile and a couple of other places which is why I don't use wordtracker that often.

      I wish Google would default the search to exact match rather than broad and it would clear up an awful lot of these problems.
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      • Profile picture of the author todd40fla
        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

        The answer is simple and is also a common problem when people use Google's keyword tool.

        I just checked and you are right when you say that the phrase diabetes 2 cure gets 4400 searches but the fundamental problem is that you had it set to broad match. Set it to exact match and the phrase gets just 140 searches a month. You are actually doing quite well to get a couple of searches per day from that phrase.

        The 4400 searches are made up of searches that include all the words diabetes, 2 and cure in any order whereas exact match has just the phrase diabetes 2 cure. A phrase match means that your diabetes 2 cure phrase can have other words in it but the phrase always is in that order.

        Wordtracker gets its data from sources like dogpile and a couple of other places which is why I don't use wordtracker that often.

        I wish Google would default the search to exact match rather than broad and it would clear up an awful lot of these problems.

        Steve - absolutely amazing sir!!!

        being new to im i have been reading and reading....probably around 100 ebooks already.......some written and sold by people whose names would be very well known on this forum if i were to list them.....

        yet not a SINGLE one of them mentions the "broad" search category. they all simply say go to google keyword tool and do a search.....blah blah blah.,,,which is really faulty information.

        other than doing an adsense campaign for a few days to test a keyword i was thinking of targeting your advice is the best i have seen.

        thank you for sharing!

        todd
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        • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
          You are more than welcome Todd. Also, if you are targeting a certain country then change the country setting as well. If its an international site you are planning then look at the global numbers and set it to all countries.

          Originally Posted by todd40fla View Post

          Steve - absolutely amazing sir!!!

          being new to im i have been reading and reading....probably around 100 ebooks already.......some written and sold by people whose names would be very well known on this forum if i were to list them.....

          yet not a SINGLE one of them mentions the "broad" search category. they all simply say go to google keyword tool and do a search.....blah blah blah.,,,which is really faulty information.

          other than doing an adsense campaign for a few days to test a keyword i was thinking of targeting your advice is the best i have seen.

          thank you for sharing!

          todd
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        • Profile picture of the author Evita
          Originally Posted by todd40fla View Post


          {SNIP} being new to im i have been reading and reading....probably around 100 ebooks already.......some written and sold by people whose names would be very well known on this forum if i were to list them.....

          yet not a SINGLE one of them mentions the "broad" search category. they all simply say go to google keyword tool and do a search.....blah blah blah.,,,which is really faulty information.
          Yup. And you can spend endless amount of time, money and effort on a site/campaign, just to find out, (or maybe you never hung in long enough to find out) that your keyword research, the aorta of whether you will succeed or not, was doomed before you even got going.

          There is a lot to be learned in IM. Sometimes one missed little detail, such as "broad" or "exact" search can be enough to not succeed. Which is why you REALLY need to hang in there for the long haul in this line of business.

          Sorry got a little off track there...

          Back to my Merlot....

          Evita
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  • Profile picture of the author franchiseshop
    Google keyword tool is not particularly accurate as a means to estimate SE traffic as it takes it's results from several places and not just it's main search engine page. The results are from the Google Search Network and not only from Google.com

    I have seen keywords I am #1 for show up as gaining 1500+ searches per month by the Google keyword tool (in exact search not broad) but in reality I am getting no more than a few dozen visits per month.

    I've used wordtracker and it seems to be far more accurate so I would stick with that if I was you :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      It's a personal choice but the data provided by the google search tool is really as accurate as you could possibly hope for. You are never going to get exact search numbers from any tool but wordtracker for me can be very wide of the mark when it comes to search numbers.

      At the end of the day, Google and it's partners are a better source for data than dogpile which represents less than 1% of the search volume on the web. I don't see how wordtracker can be more accurate given this.

      Originally Posted by franchiseshop View Post

      Google keyword tool is not particularly accurate as a means to estimate SE traffic as it takes it's results from several places and not just it's main search engine page. The results are from the Google Search Network and not only from Google.com

      I have seen keywords I am #1 for show up as gaining 1500+ searches per month by the Google keyword tool (in exact search not broad) but in reality I am getting no more than a few dozen visits per month.

      I've used wordtracker and it seems to be far more accurate so I would stick with that if I was you :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author franchiseshop
        @ It's a personal choice but the data provided by the google search tool is really as accurate as you could possibly hope for.

        Have to disagree. It is a well known and well documented fact that the Google external keyword tool is in no way accurate when it comes to keyword searches within their search engine. The keyword tool acts as a guide and takes it's data from the Google Search Network which comprises of a variety of sources so it is impossible for it to accurately predict/estimate search numbers within the actual Google search itself.

        Although very useful and in the majority of cases it does give good estimates, it can swing wildy in both directions, from too many to too few.
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        • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
          Have to agree to disagree with you on this one.. I would rather trust the numbers from a search network that gets over 75% of the search volume and is from the horses mouth so to speak than from a search network that gets less than 1% of the total search volume. It is a no brainer really.


          Originally Posted by franchiseshop View Post

          @ It's a personal choice but the data provided by the google search tool is really as accurate as you could possibly hope for.

          Have to disagree. It is a well known and well documented fact that the Google external keyword tool is in no way accurate when it comes to keyword searches within their search engine. The keyword tool acts as a guide and takes it's data from the Google Search Network which comprises of a variety of sources so it is impossible for it to accurately predict/estimate search numbers within the actual Google search itself.

          Although very useful and in the majority of cases it does give good estimates, it can swing wildy in both directions, from too many to too few.
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  • Profile picture of the author franchiseshop
    On the right hand site of the results under "Match Type" there is a drop down that says BROAD, change it to EXACT
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  • Profile picture of the author UBotBuddy
    Great thread warriors! It filled in some of the cracks for me!
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