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Forum: Copywriting 21st September 2008, 06:26 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

Im not tin the market right now...but I soon will be. I wanted to get a handle on the issues regarding recruiting/payment/motivation.

I understand the position perfectly...copy writers copy...
Forum: Copywriting 21st September 2008, 11:33 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

Here’s the way I see it now...
Initially, the position was...oh yes, we do these deals....not often, but they are done more than you might imagine.
Then the position was, well...we won’t do...
Forum: Copywriting 21st September 2008, 11:09 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

what is it?
Forum: Copywriting 21st September 2008, 08:04 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

Seriously Jason...I don't know where you're getting your ideas from, but it isn't from anything Ive said.
Forum: Copywriting 21st September 2008, 08:03 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

Go back and read again what I said... I never said ALL risk.
Forum: Copywriting 21st September 2008, 05:53 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

We're going round in circles, no matter how many different ways I frame the question for you...we're trapped in a circular argument.

It seems that you have all the risk shifted onto someone else...
Forum: Copywriting 21st September 2008, 05:17 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

More incorrect assumptions...tisk tisk. Monkeys in labs learn faster.
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 07:37 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

So what is the chance of success if someone thought of making it a back end deal, but decided to make it a flat fee? Does that percentage change?

The chosen method or mode of payment has 0% impact...
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 05:27 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

You love your sweeping statements...

So all your Joe newbies flop...I'll let you know if I need your services.
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 03:32 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

"bigjock, maybe what you really want is a business partner who can write."

I dont want anything...I was just considering the reasons why copywriters are SO against performance pay. You say most...
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 11:14 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

I probably haven't made myself clear...thats not what Im asking at all.

I am trying to say that the intput of/feedback from the copywriter into other areas of the project is the key reason to ask...
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 10:31 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

And the fact that its even that high says not very favorable things about the people who hire copywriters.

The feedback from trying to get a copywriter to agree to a deal is invaluable. I think...
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 10:05 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

This is simply not true in all cases. Sorry.
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 10:03 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

I don't understand what you mean. Your already looking at the offer. Here are your conclusions:

Its the only project being worked on
It is well funded for marketing (what sort of a person spends...
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 08:52 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

But the opposite is true as well Kyle.

You win where the offer is good.
You win where the project is the only one going.
You win where the cash is available for proper marketing.
You win where...
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 08:05 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

icjackson...you seem to contradict what others are saying. They say that deals are possible, if they think the other variables could work.

"not something that is usually done without significant...
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 05:51 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

Just to clarify. Ive never asked for a deal from a copywriter, but Ive picked up that copywriters prefer ready cash rather than being paid on a performance basis...and that makes sense...from the...
Forum: Copywriting 20th September 2008, 05:39 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
Re: performance related copywriting

Ok...so you do deals....just not with passengers on the special bus.

Fair enough. Makes sense.
Forum: Copywriting 19th September 2008, 04:55 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,200
Posted By Barry Walls
performance related copywriting

Im curious why copywriters are so against this? Is there any specific reason?
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