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What do you think about this free report?

Makes me wonder are the CPA companies themselves "middlemen" for the big corporations?

Aren't they already practicing arbitrage?...Big corporations pay them, so they pay us less, and in turn, CPA companies make a profit. They simply set up a pay system and tools, we do all their work for them.

Aren't CPA companies really a select, small group of Super-Mega Affiliates or Middlemen for the corporations and simply recruiting MORE affiliates for themselves in addition to offers directly to regular folk?

So what would be stopping or preventing anyone to start-up, and create their own CPA network company and deal direct with the corporations themselves, cutting them out as middlemen or the privaledged few affiliates recruiting multitudes of affiliates doing their work for them?

Overwhelming Logistics? You have to prove something or show something to the Big Corporations before they even talk to you directly and give you the same deal?

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hi,

right...that is the ultimate plan here. Aymen will eventually launch his own network in the future as I understand the big picture. lot's of blogs tracking this launch, such as [blog.Make100kADay.com], where updates can be followed.
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Hi.

I just read this report, and I have to admit that I liked it a lot.

For me, this report was an eye opener when it comes to CPA marketing.

I have not made to much money online until now, but I have over 20 years of offline marketing experience.

When it comes to marketing, in general, it is all about getting your offer in front of the right people to the right time.

When you then have an offer that is easy to take on, for the potential customer, you have a winner.

I am looking forward to receiving more information about this.

PS. This "Aymen", is he a member at this community (WF)?

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I have read the report and i like it very much. BUt my problem is that all the offer/ request only available in USA and Canada? Not in my country?

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What do you think about this free report?

Where is this free report?

Don't see it here..Link?
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problem is that all the offer/ request only available in USA and Canada? Not in my country?
Same here, I am not living in a U.S. 'affiliated' country either where the language is not English. I have read the report, is there a way for us overseas to use the program and make it work?
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That's the beauty of the internet fellas (Concordwarrior & whyu76)... you can market anywhere in the world.

You may need to research getting a US address? There are ways around this that I've heard of before. Plus, on the video he provides he says he will address this issue later. If you have the report then you should have access to the video.

You might contact some affiliate networks directly and ask what possible options you have for getting paid since you live out of the country?

There's 100's of affiliate networks to choose from ... you might find a few that'll accomodate your foreign address?

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What do you think about this free report?

Where is this free report?

Don't see it here..Link?
google it brother. it is there
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Doesn't anyone remember TrafficTactics that was promoted by Carlos and Lupe Garcia last year??? It was the same information that is in the Arbitrage Conspiracy. They were charging $10-$25,000 to get access to their personal training on how they made $5Million per month.

Hopefully Aymen doesn't do the little guy dirty and charge those types of prices to get access to the information that can potentially make or break you in this business. I think the fact he will be promoting his own CPA on the backend will give him some incentive to make it more accessible to the masses.

The thing a lot of people don't realize is that they can give you a lot of FREE information, but without a FEW key golden nuggets you will probably lose lots of money before you make any.

I am talking from experience, not just complaining. I have spent many, many, many thousands of dollars just doing tests before I found out what worked. And if you have found what works, then you're golden...as long as you don't go broke in the process. Which usually happens for alot of people unfortunately.

Hopefully, Aymen can provide the answers people who want to pursue this venture are looking for.
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The thing a lot of people don't realize is that they can give you a lot of FREE information, but without a FEW key golden nuggets you will probably lose lots of money before you make any.
Interesting. Did not consider that. Like dynamite without a fuse.

Wonder how many other courses are like that? They give you the Gun, Bullets, but no firing pin. And finding that firing pin ain't as easy, if not impossible, to find.

Was TrafficTactics any good, delivered what it promised, and is it cheaper now, by like, how much?

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I know that Arbitrage/CPA works, but what many don't realize that unless you have a CC and are willing to use it, you won't make much money unless you do some bum marketing methods.

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Thats a good point. I think the big challenges in setting up your own CPS is getting the word out about your company.

Then converting sign up. I was denied as an affiliate by several companies in Commission Junction. Makes me wonder would the companies even contract with a newbie in the CPA business.

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I know that Arbitrage/CPA works, but what many don't realize that unless you have a CC and are willing to use it, you won't make much money unless you do some bum marketing methods.
Hi.

Can someone please tell me what CC stands for?

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CC is a credit card.

Aymens Blueprint totally rocks. He is a true genius and his material is based on the results fo millions of dollars of testing and getting it wrong before it went right.

I am not sure if I have ever met a more inspiring person.

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CC is a credit card.

Aymens Blueprint totally rocks. He is a ture genius and his material is based on the results fo millions of dollars of testing and getting it wrong before it went right.

I am not sure if I have ever met a more inspiring person.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, James.

I have never met this person, or ever heard about him, but the report got my eyes open for what is going on around us.

I believe, the most of us is thinking to small, and having problem realizing that it is possible to do it big, if we are willing to dig into it and are willing to do the work involved.

We are so afraid of doing something wrong, and that we are wasting our time, that we are ending up with doing nothing.

Doing nothing, and believing that we can not make it big, is very safe but also the biggest time waster of them all.

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Thanks for clearing that up for me, James.

I have never met this person, or ever heard about him, but the report got my eyes open for what is going on around us.

I believe, the most of us is thinking to small, and having problem realizing that it is possible to do it big, if we are willing to dig into it and are willing to do the work involved.

We are so afraid of doing something wrong, and that we are wasting our time, that we are ending up with doing nothing.

Doing nothing, and believing that we can not make it big, is very safe but also the biggest time waster of them all.

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Yes!

Most of us are thinking too small. When he was talking about 100k a day PROFIT that really opened my mind to what is possible.

That conversation in May was the seed that became doubledigitCTR ! I went on to spend more on google ads per month than the annual salary of my first job.

Aymen is a massive thinker and that is why he succeeds. Very bright.

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In his video, Ayman discusses bidding on "Neutrogena" and other similar product names. However, Google has a strict policy AGAINST bidding on trademarked terms. Seemed a bit incongruent.
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HUH?????
I was watching the video and the first interviewed person from that seminar had the title of his name dubbed on the screen as...."Eban Pagan"...hahaha!!! WTFlook? Thats not Eban Pagan (if he even exists...) Thats David De Angelo.....What gives???????
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HUH?????
I was watching the video and the first interviewed person from that seminar had the title of his name dubbed on the screen as...."Eban Pagan"...hahaha!!! WTFlook? Thats not Eban Pagan (if he even exists...) Thats David De Angelo.....What gives???????
Hmmm... I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but David DeAngelo's real name is Eben Pagan. That cat has been out of the bag for quite some time now.
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In his video, Ayman discusses bidding on "Neutrogena" and other similar product names. However, Google has a strict policy AGAINST bidding on trademarked terms. Seemed a bit incongruent.
he also recommends bidding on URL's

Both product names and URLs are effective for ROI.

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Hmmm... I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but David DeAngelo's real name is Eben Pagan. That cat has been out of the bag for quite some time now.
...no i didnt know that and i havent see him except for 1 video..no direspect was intended,
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...no i didnt know that and i havent see him except for 1 video..no direspect was intended,
Chow!
No problem. Look him up on Wikipedia. Interesting info.
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Yeah, SOMETIMES there is a strict policy against bidding on brand name keywords...you'll even see this restriction when you get into CPA networks. BUt, it is vendor preference.

Another note, this guy says that when you apply for a CPA Affiliate account to "fudge" your traffic. Yes, this may work sometimes, however many CPA networks that I've dealt with will monitor your traffic/conversions and may terminate your account for inactivity.

I've had success with Primary Ads, but it is very difficult to get into.

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Yeah, SOMETIMES there is a strict policy against bidding on brand name keywords...you'll even see this restriction when you get into CPA networks. BUt, it is vendor preference.

Another note, this guy says that when you apply for a CPA Affiliate account to "fudge" your traffic. Yes, this may work sometimes, however many CPA networks that I've dealt with will monitor your traffic/conversions and may terminate your account for inactivity.

I've had success with Primary Ads, but it is very difficult to get into.

-Tony

Aymen gets people contact him saying things like:

"The CPA want to know if I have a website - what should I do? I don't have a website...." etc......

You have to have a decent appearance for CPA networks. They won't take greenhorns without a website.

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I've been teaching this stuff at ppc coach for the past 14 months and I started my own CPA network too.

There is nothing new in that report. I hope he's not going to charge anybody $2k for something you can get for $50 per month...

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The blueprint is much more detailed and I am sure if you are making 100k a day you wont need it.

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Is that yours James?

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Is that yours James?

I'm talking about Aymens blueprint.

To be fair to him, a lot of the information he has shared with me is not in other places.

His blueprint will be released soon and it has more detail than the report. I'll load an MP3 of him to my blog and you can hear how he does it.

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I don't doubt the numbers, those are entirely possible, but 99% of people will never reach them. It takes too much time, patience, budget and willpower which a lot of people who want things "yesterday" don't have. I'm not a big fan of over hyping stuff and taking the "$100k in a day" approach sure does draw attention, but it's not going to happen for the majority who buy the product, (not due to the product, but to the fact that people won't follow instructions and put in the work necessary to get there). I'm not knocking the thing, but I hope he's not going to charge $2k for it as I haven't seen any indication of anything new in there so far. But I'll listen to your mp3...

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Cool.

In my case I am not making 100k per day yet - but - Aymen was a key driver for me to be free from employment. So if people are looking for a plan and they want to follow it - it is a pretty good one.

I did manage to make that in a month.

In our chat today he did mention many people do not take action. I guess the option is there for people who want to do something.

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Hi.

This discussion is starting to be a little foolish with mine is bigger that your, and my father is stronger than yours, type of argument.

PPC-Coach: You can not, at this point, say that you are teaching this stuff at your course, because nobody have seen what this is yet.

The report that is released contain only a fraction of whats inside the complete product.

None marketer is stupid enough to put all the nuggets in one little free report, and then sell it afterwards.

What you can say is that what you have seen to this point is something you already teach in your course.

100K per day is extremely much money, and all the people will not make that kind of money, that for sure.

I can only speak for myself, but if someone can teach me how to do that, then we are not talking about time, patience, and willpower anymore.

That person will have my attention 24/7 for the time it takes.

Hell, even for 1K per day in profit he will have my attention 24/7.

The problem with PPC, the way I see it, is that it is risky, expensive, and requier some capital, because you have to pay your advertising long time before you get paid as an affiliate.

Remove those factors, and I strongly beleive that a lot of people will find the time, and the willpower to do it.

And for the record, MINE is biggest, and my father was stronger that yours, when he was alive .

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The Arbitrage Conspiracy Report by Aymen covers information that most people have never seen before. I know him and I was at the Vegas event. He spent years and many hundreds of thousands of dollars putting togther the best system, software, and tools to learn about becoming a power PPC player through the CPA networks. Start by signing up to list at [Blog.Make100kADay.com] for Newsletters on this topic. They will be updated often as possible. Once on the list, you can also download all the Free reports and videos that will becoming out over the next week. Perseverence will always win out, so this is a real 12 week course that even the gurus will be learning from. May not be for everybody. Hope this helps.
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I read the report, and boy, it looks just like traffic tactics/traffic university, and you get do the exact same steps with eric louviere's offer, although Eric is not rolling out weekly content just yet...but he does cover cpa, using domain names for kws, etc...

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The Arbitrage Conspiracy Report by Aymen covers information that most people have never seen before. I know him and I was at the Vegas event. He spent years and many hundreds of thousands of dollars putting togther the best system, software, and tools to learn about becoming a power PPC player through the CPA networks. Start by signing up to list at [Blog.Make100kADay.com] for Newsletters on this topic. They will be updated often as possible. Once on the list, you can also download all the Free reports and videos that will becoming out over the next week. Perseverence will always win out, so this is a real 12 week course that even the gurus will be learning from. May not be for everybody. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info elliot! Will certainly check out aymen and his arbitrage conspiracy..
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I think I recognize the voice in the video as well...that Switzerland guy...russian accent...with these sites and pseudonames:

Roy Oron & Maayan Marzan
Roy & Michael
Tim & Marc
Michael Jones
Adsense Wealth Empire
Article Marketing Success
Adwords Tycoons
Traffic Tycoons

Is anyone that went to Vegas able to confirm this?

If it's Inex, then the price will be between $397 and $1,997

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I'm sure this is a workable plan. However, if you can truly drive traffic by MULTIPLE means, what do you need the CPA companies for? To me, they are just self anointed gate keepers.

Leads are like business oxygen. If I own the leads, I can own the market. Moreover, if I get QUALITY leads, I certainly don't need to answer to any CPA company.

I see this as a good plan only if you're willing to hand your control over to others. Or, you are too lazy or inexperienced to do your own negotiating.

Frankly, I like to be a little higher on the food chain.
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I'm sure this is a workable plan. However, if you can truly drive traffic by MULTIPLE means, what do you need the CPA companies for? To me, they are just self anointed gate keepers.

Leads are like business oxygen. If I own the leads, I can own the market. Moreover, if I get QUALITY leads, I certainly don't need to answer to any CPA company.

I see this as a good plan only if you're willing to hand your control over to others. Or, you are too lazy or inexperienced to do your own negotiating.

Frankly, I like to be a little higher on the food chain.
I have a little difficulty to understand your point here.

Does this mean that you are only creating your own stuff, and do not care to promote any product that involves none digital products?
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I simply meant if you are good enough to generate quality leads (and from my experience PPC is not the BEST way to generate a quality lead) you may as well learn to do your own negotiating.

What do the CPA companies do for you that you can't easily learn to do for yourself... some tracking and an occasional pep talk? I'd rather not have them not do that anyway. My traffic sources are none of their business. Believe me, if you can generate quality leads you can find someone who will buy them.

Again, I'm sure the plan works fine. I just don't like handing over one of the most important elements to any business over to someone else for a percentage of a percentage only to be thanked with a bunch of arrogant and arbitrary rules.

Businesses will ALWAYS need leads and if you know how to generate a QUALIFIED one, you don't need CPA companies taking a percentage and treating you like they hold the reigns. Moreover, you don't need them spying on you so they can learn your trade secrets.

He or she who controls the leads makes the rules.
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Never mind.
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In my case I am not making 100k per day yet -

I did manage to make that in a month.

Good success.

Love hate with copywriting and writers.

Copy is newbies worst nightmare , sometimes, because you waste time and education of entrepeneur dreams with un-real images, somewhere either at out right hype or totally outdated old school hard-way like going to a business school, taking out a business loan and buying a franchise for $400,000.....the truth is right in the middle but quick learners get there in a hurry while others scratch their head for years before figuring out the "true" proximaty of the location of reality.

Just because Michael Jordan got into basketball, practiced and can do a 360 reverse tomahawk jam making $100 millions a year, could he advertise, " take my class or camp and you can do the same"......? He may not SAY that, but the strong insinuations of that premise would almost be shamefully obvious.

Yeah, he could show you a thing or two, but there are two basics:

1) Can he teach- if so, to who and what level?

2) Is his teaching methods effective and to who and what level?

" I made a 100,000k per day....."........so what?!?

A more realistic approach would be something like, "My test have shown me to make this, but testing with ORDINARY folks have shown an AVERAGE of about 1/50th of what I personally did".

This would be still damn good for average folks and even above average folks ( 1/50th of $100,000k a day= $2500 per day).

Hell , even HALF of THAT is God***n good, hype not need.

What does the average or even above average worker makes today...??...certainly nowhere near even 1/100th of that, so hype was un-necessary, and tarnishes it if it is a good product.

Which is why I appreciate it when someone says, " Not newbie friendly, you need some experience or amount of knowledge."

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Yeah, SOMETIMES there is a strict policy against bidding on brand name keywords...you'll even see this restriction when you get into CPA networks. BUt, it is vendor preference.

Another note, this guy says that when you apply for a CPA Affiliate account to "fudge" your traffic. Yes, this may work sometimes, however many CPA networks that I've dealt with will monitor your traffic/conversions and may terminate your account for inactivity.

I've had success with Primary Ads, but it is very difficult to get into.

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Again, I'm sure the plan works fine. I just don't like handing over one of the most important elements to any business over to someone else for a percentage of a percentage only to be thanked with a bunch of arrogant and arbitrary rules.

Businesses will ALWAYS need leads and if you know how to generate a QUALIFIED one, you don't need CPA companies taking a percentage and treating you like they hold the reigns. Moreover, you don't need them spying on you so they can learn your trade secrets.

He or she who controls the leads makes the rules.
This sounds like living thru real blood and wounds , live, on the battlefield of reality.

Nice contribution and thinking out the box philosophy.

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I'm sure this is a workable plan. However, if you can truly drive traffic by MULTIPLE means, what do you need the CPA companies for? To me, they are just self anointed gate keepers.

Leads are like business oxygen. If I own the leads, I can own the market. Moreover, if I get QUALITY leads, I certainly don't need to answer to any CPA company.

I see this as a good plan only if you're willing to hand your control over to others. Or, you are too lazy or inexperienced to do your own negotiating.

Frankly, I like to be a little higher on the food chain.
If one is 1st starting out , maybe CPA is a start, or at least learning how they TRUELY work so a person has the option of dancing to the tune of a CPA company, or learning the principles a be their own company, cutting the middleman out.

Getting commissions under a middleman might be ok for some dough, but the information to choose the option of being on top of the food chain should be there, also.

Really got be sharp to study a model and garner from it trade secrets that they SAY they are telling, but are really never , ever gonna spill.

This guy and the other dude I commented on sounds like they are from the same cut as Markus Frind of Plentyoffish.com.

This Markus, a true Warrior, by default, of this forum which he is not part of.., hell, maybe even a SuperWarrior , I could'nt stop reading his blog, very, VERY out the box thinking and being on top of the food chain, and ahead of the future trends...,...dude is like the Corey Rudl or Gary Halbert of his philosophy ,practice and re$ults.

Except maybe on a much bigger scale.

Good post , dudes, food for thought

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I simply meant if you are good enough to generate quality leads (and from my experience PPC is not the BEST way to generate a quality lead) you may as well learn to do your own negotiating.

What do the CPA companies do for you that you can't easily learn to do for yourself... some tracking and an occasional pep talk? I'd rather not have them not do that anyway. My traffic sources are none of their business. Believe me, if you can generate quality leads you can find someone who will buy them.

Again, I'm sure the plan works fine. I just don't like handing over one of the most important elements to any business over to someone else for a percentage of a percentage only to be thanked with a bunch of arrogant and arbitrary rules.

Businesses will ALWAYS need leads and if you know how to generate a QUALIFIED one, you don't need CPA companies taking a percentage and treating you like they hold the reigns. Moreover, you don't need them spying on you so they can learn your trade secrets.

He or she who controls the leads makes the rules.
This also sounds like a potential product in the making...:

" How to tell the CPA companies to go "Eff" themselves and keep MOST of the money for your hard work".


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I am pretty curious why some people are so negative when you have not seen what is on offer yet.

You can remain ignorant and express your 'expert' opinions if you like or you can see what the next content delivers and make an informed comment.

If you knew this guy you would know he is an abundance mindset person who gives a lot. This is part of the reason why he succeeds.

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Never mind. Upon reflection, I don't care either way, LOL!
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Just curious if anyone has had any success approaching a larger company directly in order to bypass a CPA Management Company. Do you think the time speaking to a marketing manager at say... GE for instance, would be worth it in the long run?

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WOW, interesting to see who comments what. James You Rock, Thanks and thanked so many times, positive contribution, making money.

I think in life there are 2 types of persons: Those who Make it Happen and those who Sees it happen.

Those who make money and those who count for the others.

The guys that are making the money, the arbitrage conspiracy guys are probably never gonna come here and see the bitching , theyre probably cranking like crasy

Im reading the report and I do PPC and CPA and I can tell you I get some lightbulbs,

read, be positive and be the judge
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I like the report. It's very well-written and he explains things well in simple-to-follow logic. However, the bidding on domain name is not something no one else is doing. I've seen that technique from another report.

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Originally Posted by Li Weng View Post

I like the report. It's very well-written and he explains things well in simple-to-follow logic. However, the bidding on domain name is not something no one else is doing. I've seen that technique from another report.
Agree with Li Weng.. I've seen the domain technique on another report..

But the report and bonus video was great!
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