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Make Some Money...

by max5ty
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I see a lot of people that think they have to come up with a new idea, a new ebook, a new something, or another...

you don't.

Use what's already out there. Don't try and reinvent the wheel. Use what others have done and profit from it.

Saw an ad on Facebook yesterday where a coffee company will sell you their coffee wholesale...even put your own label on it, and drop ship it for you.

Now imagine you had 100 monthly subscribers at your coffee club for $10 a month. You're bringing in $1000. Let's say you're banking $200 after ads and costs...

then let's say through your advertising you ramp it up to 500 monthly subscribers.

$5000 a month and around $1000 after costs and advertising. $12,000 a year.

1000 subscribers. $10,000 a month. Around $3000 monthly net.

This is all from someone else doing the packaging and shipping. You sit back and do the advertising and collect the money.

You can do this for a lot of products. Vitamins, makeup, coffee, tea, etc.

Start out small and work your way up.

This is almost like affiliate marketing but it's under your own logo and company name.

How simple is this? It's a no-brainer...just takes your time and some effort.

If you want to build a portfolio for future work, this would be an ideal thing to add.

The easy part comes with you being a copywriter.

Tell a story. Build a brand. Collect members. You are only limited by your ability to write persuasive copy...and you can learn over time what works and what doesn't.

Easy stuff to do.

This is something you can build up over time.

All you have to do is start...even at zero customers.

The problem with an idea like this is so few people actually do it. Why, I don't know.

You can build an empire this way by being a good copywriter and using other people's companies.

Just a quick thought for today if you're sitting around wondering how to make some money.

Edit: The purpose of the coffee club is they get a new flavor every month. Of course, if someone likes the flavor they will order more from you which takes your profits even higher.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    The very romp of skeletal startups gotta have evrywan spooked.

    What diversity of products may I wake tamara to discovah adorned about my person?

    For sures, you cain't walk round a warehouse of infinite glories and ' expect to be immediately rewarded.

    So remind evrywan why they wanna do the next thing they wanna do.

    The best panties promise days of wear for certain, mebbe longah.

    Which is why my brandin' turnoff would be kinda GUARANTEED ACIDPROOF.

    So what is pertinent 'bout shit to the people for whom it is pertinent?

    Copywritin' = SAY THAT.

    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post


    Lots of ways to make money.
    Effortless re-regurgitations may forevah proliferate, for sures.

    But who you gonna trust when Granma's donkey develops TERMINAL DICK ROT?

    *sob*

    bcs she rode that babe round the yard aftah Hank died.

    Kickin' up dust togethah, they kinda bonded.

    Storms hit, deada night, an' she would race to the barn steada bear the night alone.

    Anyways, stoopid quadrooped kinda doomed rn.

    Granma knows it. An' she cares.

    So she asks: WHAT HELP IS OUT THERE?

    FOR MY HEART, AND FOR MY DEAR DONKEY'S WART-RAVAGED MAGNITUDE?

    Gotta venture here how the gal desires so few people showin' up at random she is prepared to be pernickety.

    How do I know this?

    I touched a donkey's bonah once by accident, an' you do naht forget.

    That is naht to say no metaphorical granma is no hardened dick zealot ...

    but I love so the TRUST factah of how perfectly reasonable people may sign away their very livelihoods to maniacs.

    Hence my DONKEY DICK GRANMA TEST.

    It ain't evrywan's Litmus, but it ain't always Christmuss.
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  • Profile picture of the author RMRC
    So true, repackage and brand something that already works. Just have to put in the time and effort required. Copywriting can be learned or paid for. There's so many tools to utilize and speed up the process of building an online empire these days!
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    So true .Many people overcomplicate things by searching for the best method ,a hidden method to make money when in fact the hard work it can be the solution
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    You are absolutely right . There is no need to reinvent the wheel when we can enhance it .

    Having a funnel and a auto responder is an ideal way to attract retain those customers and make reoccurring sales .
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by fron8861 View Post

      Thanks for sharing this great idea! You make an excellent point - you don't always need to reinvent the wheel or come up with completely new products to build a successful business. There are so many ways to add value using existing products, services or business models.
      There really isn't a need to reinvent the wheel.

      Take Costco...

      they sell coffee under the brand name Kirkland.

      Most of Kirkland's coffee comes from Starbucks and is white-labeled.

      Most people don't know that.

      Costco didn't do a thing as far as producing coffee...they didn't reinvent the wheel...they just used the wheel that was already invented and named it something different.

      You can do the same thing with mail-order coffee...it's being done every day.

      Of course, there are other products out there you can white label and sell through mail order.

      Lots of ways to make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve The Copywriter
    You must excuse me but it's a famous quote time.


    "There's Nothing New Under The Sun"


    But virtually everything can be improved.

    Applies perfectly in the wonderful world of copywriting.

    (despite clients insistence - their latest gismo is never really "new." It's an improvement on something. But be diplomatic and don't deflate them. Just write how much better their wonderstuff is)


    Which, if I'm not mistaken is what you have all already said.

    But it's so important - I felt a compulsion to compel it again.

    Reiterate might have been better - but I was compelled - so I was.


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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    @ Steve -

    really isn't anything new in the broad sense.

    Best though to market your widget in a new way. People want new...mainly because they've tried the old and it didn't work for them...so they want something new, even if it's the old thing that seems new to them.

    It's where 'the big idea' came from. It's why only creative minds after a lot of research can come up with a big idea. It's why some will never make it in copywriting because they swipe the old ideas and think they're new ideas.

    Was reading a few days ago where someone was talking about Ogilvy and the 'at 60 mph the clock is the loudest thing' when he did the rolls royce ad. The woman was saying what a super great ad it was. Quite sure she didn't go out and buy a rolls royce though...so how good was the ad really for her?

    How good is an ad if all it does is gets saved in a swipe file? How good is the ad if the reader that is going crazy over it never buys what the ad is advertising? And what are up with these UFOs?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve The Copywriter
    It's AOK if the people want "new".

    Even if it isn't.

    As you mentioned - big ideas - come into play.


    To greatly improve the product/service (we need to persuade the clients to make superb enhancements) - so we now have more exceptional "new" features, advantages and benefits.


    For example - a television set - is essentially a radio with pictures.

    Then better pictures and sound.

    Then more channels.

    The manufacturers keep improving and evolving the tech.

    And the buyers say, "I've got a brand new, state of the art, super duper TV - so I have"

    But...

    It's not really new - just a much better television.


    Steve


    P.S. Max, as you know "Breakthrough Advertising" by the late great Eugene Schwartz - explains -

    The consumers "States of Awareness" and "States of Sophistication."(spellbinding stuff - pinpointing how and why they'll buy).

    And precisely how to make any product or service appear breathtakingly "New."
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    nowan gives AF till'n they GET a FLUX.

    That is why The Nouveau can be combined with the Old & Dead to procreate noo wondahs.

    Schwartz talks 'bout awareness in an almost fixed evolootionary way -- the biz growin' outta startup to world doms stuffs.

    A hero's journey of recognition an' subsequent responsibility, I guess.

    But there is tangential stuff here, from root to branch, an' what you always seekin' is a contemporary twist.

    Noo light shed upon the proven.

    Here's where you draw on the powah of wishin' against a backdrop of tangible mountains.

    The conceit is that the ad guys know our fyootyoore bettah than we do.

    But you evah try to grab that stuff for yusself?

    How easy it is to imagine you GRASPIN' THE FYOOTYOORE when all you dowin' is rompin' roundya apartment 24/7 withya hands all Venus Flytrap snap.

    So what is this space we create?

    Which ain't nevah happened an CAN nevah happen?

    I guess the FLUX is the wish for wanna, so we don't get stuck or ossify or have our boobies bit off by dogs while we sleep.

    Sneaky noo combinations of the instantly recognisable.

    Beats loonpants "vision" evry time.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post


      Schwartz talks 'bout awareness in an almost fixed evolootionary way -- the biz growin' outta startup to world doms stuffs.

      A hero's journey of recognition an' subsequent responsibility, I guess.
      Years ago there was a guy named Warren Avis (an Air Force Officer).

      Because of his job, he traveled a lot...

      one day he came up with the idea that rental cars should be available at airports.

      Hertz at the time had their rental car locations downtown...and swore up and down putting rental cars at airports wouldn't work.

      We've seen how it worked.

      Avis was number 2 and I think we've all heard about their slogan 'we try harder'

      The slogan was actually written by a female copywriter, Paula Green.

      Finally, after decades of hearing about how Avis was #2 and tried harder...Hertz hit back.

      They came out with a campaign that said stuff like...

      "For years, Avis has been telling you Hertz is No. 1, now we're going to tell you why."

      "No. 2 says he tries harder. Than who?"

      "Hertz has a competitor who says he's only No. 2. That's hard to argue with."

      Avis dropped their 'we try harder' slogan.

      Both of these companies were very competitive, but, Enterprise came along and passed them both up. Enterprise is now #1.

      Avis and Hertz were focused on the airport angle...Enterprise came along and put their cars downtown.

      Interesting story, but it shows how companies try to come up with a big idea that is new in order to compete.

      Ok, I'm done rambling for today.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Speaking of Enterprise that was not their only strategy. They heavily targeted Collision and Mechanical shops via personal visits. Two to three people would walk into our shop about every week or two. They dropped off a batch of Fresh Dozen Doughnuts from Dunkin Doughnuts. Coffee with cream and sugar on the side. They normally had at least one 20-something female to appeal to men. Other times they dropped off flyers, pens, and if I remember correctly Frisbees. They also targeted the major Insurance Companies.

    The point is they were doing low-pressure selling and dropping off their marketing material. This type of method would probably still work today for someone trying to sell to local mom-and-pop businesses.

    If someone was willing to do some door-to-door selling. Take part of Max5ty's method with the coffee, walk into a few local businesses, and sign them up for the coffee club. It probably should work in my humble opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      Speaking of Enterprise that was not their only strategy. They heavily targeted Collision and Mechanical shops via personal visits. Two to three people would walk into our shop about every week or two. They dropped off a batch of Fresh Dozen Doughnuts from Dunkin Doughnuts. Coffee with cream and sugar on the side. They normally had at least one 20-something female to appeal to men. Other times they dropped off flyers, pens, and if I remember correctly Frisbees. They also targeted the major Insurance Companies.

      The point is they were doing low-pressure selling and dropping off their marketing material. This type of method would probably still work today for someone trying to sell to local mom-and-pop businesses.

      If someone was willing to do some door-to-door selling. Take part of Max5ty's method with the coffee, walk into a few local businesses, and sign them up for the coffee club. It probably should work in my humble opinion.
      The home inspection industry has a main guru, Mike Crow.

      I was speaking at one of his events.
      They have one method to get business. They leave baskets of candy at local real estate offices, with their business cards in the mix. Every week, they refill the baskets, and talk to the real estate agents.

      And the real estate agents just refer that inspector whenever one is needed. There were several home inspectors at the event that had several hundred baskets they filled every week. And of course, they became the Go To guys for home inspection.

      At our store, decades ago, a lady brought in a giant grapefruit she just got from Florida. Every year, she dropped one off to every business in our town.

      The third year she dropped off a grapefruit at our store, I stopped her and asked what she did. She was a lawyer. So I asked her to be our lawyer. Thousands and thousands of dollars have gone to her...from us...because of those grapefruit. And I'm not alone.

      Years later, I asked her why we stopped getting a grapefruit. She said she used the grapefruit to prospect for new clients, and she was now too busy to take the time to hand them out.

      Farming, tilling the soil, planting the seeds.....knowing that eventually you'll reap a harvest. Brilliant marketing.

      I study several Youtube gurus, that have a million subscribers or more. And I read how they had no subscribers for a year, then five, and they kept adding goo content....and then a hundred subscribers...and eventually, years later, a million. Real money (Youtube pays clicks to ads on the page your video is on).

      Work first, work hard, get paid later. The real money comes later, in most cases, I think.
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Work first, work hard, get paid later. The real money comes later, in most cases, I think.
        Work first, work hard, get paid later. So true, yet so NOT what today's newbie wants to hear is it?

        And maybe this is the reason why so many Warriors take 5 to 7 years before they start making a living from their IM...they buy into the Work Smart, Do what I did, get what I got foolishness of modeling success...as a hurry up way to get their bags faster.

        I just have one thing, which I think comes even before this excellent advice...and that is THINK first.

        Assess first. Analyze first. KNOW THYSELF first, before you choose the way you want to get paid, because as often as not, if the reason is just because someone said it was easy to make money in IM, and you want to believe that...well, see in five years telling us all how you are starting over.

        THINK. Work.
        Then work hard and you will probably get your bag faster.

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          Assess first. Analyze first. KNOW THYSELF first, before you choose the way you want to get paid, because as often as not, if the reason is just because someone said it was easy to make money in IM, and you want to believe that..

          My experience is that the main appeal to IM is that you don't actually have to talk to anyone....and the fantasy is that you do almost nothing, get monthly income (without any further effort), and get rich.

          The appeal is almost entirely on the far side of the actual effort. Getting into business so you can get out of business. Only thinking about the rewards, never about the work.

          The IM business attracts these dreamers, and that's why so many fail, I think.

          All the Gurus have to appeal to the "No learning, no effort, get rich" part of the crowd, because that's who is listening, and that's where most sales come from.

          Who buys high priced "Make money" courses? 5% are real businesspeople, and 95% are desperate dreamers.

          A fact that churns my stomach.
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          • Profile picture of the author max5ty
            Claude Whitacre

            and 95% are desperate dreamers.
            Over the years...or I should say after years of being in marketing and copywriting, I've come up with a checklist to help me determine if an idea has any worth. It goes something like this...abbreviated, but hopefully, the point is made:

            1. Does it solve a problem?

            If it doesn't solve a problem it won't work. This leads to point #2...

            2. How big is the problem?

            Are there enough people with the problem to make a fortune? The bigger the problem, the more people will be interested.

            3. Is anyone else trying to solve the problem?

            This is important because you need to understand if they are, then how are they trying to solve it. This leads to point #4...

            4. Is my solution unique?

            If your solution is being touted by others, you're not unique, you will be competing for traffic for the same solution.

            A unique solution is one of a kind that can't be quickly replicated and is Google proof...i.e. somebody can't use Google to find the answer.

            5. Can I afford to reach the people that need this?

            A. Do I have a big enough list that I can push this out to those that will buy?
            B. Do I have connections with someone that has a big list that will push this out?

            ...if A and B aren't there...am I ready to invest the capital to do advertising and get this solution out there? (this is a risky alternative)

            6. Am I willing to invest all of the proceeds from my sales back into advertising?

            If not you'll stall out and fail to grow. After you've cornered the market you can begin to use the profits for other things.

            --there are a few other points, but for the sake of keeping this post brief without droning on and on, I'll stop there.

            Back to your point about dreamers...

            dreamers don't stop and 'think' as Gordon said. They don't care about the steps I outlined because in their mind 'miracles happen'.

            In IM, or any other type of marketing, miracles only happen after careful planning and consideration.

            Edit: I tried to correct all the mistakes I made. Was a long day out boating and my mind suddenly shut down when I started typing this response.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Who buys high priced "Make money" courses? 5% are real businesspeople, and 95% are desperate dreamers.

            I know it's strange quoting myself, but this idea just occurred to me.

            Fortunes are also made just marketing to that 5% out there that are serious business owners who are really making a great living in marketing and selling something.

            For example, when I was doing speeches to sell my marketing programs at industry trade shows, about 5% of the attendees would attend my program. It was almost always the top 5%. and they ended up being the same people every year (in several industries).

            After a few years, my speeches attracted smaller audiences (from the total event attendance), but most of them bought whatever I had.

            My speeches just didn't appeal to the dreamers, or the complainers, or the blamers. And it was painful when I tried to appeal to these desperate people.

            And years ago, I did a deep analysis as to who was buying my vacuum cleaners in their homes....interesting results.

            And one thing that stuck out to me was that only 6% were almost guaranteed to buy. Nearly all my sales came from a definable 6% of the homeowners.

            I made a small fortune just finding and pitching that 6%. And that was enough of a market to last me forever.
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            • Profile picture of the author max5ty
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


              Fortunes are also made just marketing to that 5% out there that are serious business owners who are really making a great living in marketing and selling something.

              .
              I agree. I think we all know selling to the 5% takes a whole different approach than selling to the 95%.

              As you said, they're business owners who are already doing pretty well.

              Someone in this situation probably isn't going to fall for the same message the 95% fall for...

              'make money overnight'

              'your secret to instant riches' ...

              and other messages like this.

              Someone who is already a seasoned business owner can see through the hype because they've been there. To sell successfully to the 5% you need to have been there also since most business owners can smell BS a mile away.

              You did well selling to the 5% because you've been there. You know what you're talking about and the 5% can tell you know what you're talking about. The 95% just need shiny things and exciting words to convince them.
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            • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Fortunes are also made just marketing to that 5% out there that are serious business owners who are really making a great living in marketing and selling something.
              There are prostitoots, an' there are 2-for-1 offahs on grapefruits I guess.

              That is my view as a Princess packin' the joociest tangerines mostly nowan ain't nevah seen.

              Gotta figure exclusivity counts for sumthin'.

              How else how anywan headin' your way beyond brute accident?

              See, that is what happins to them prostitoots with the full frontal squidos.

              They figure all they gotta do is whap 'em out an' the planet be amazed.

              But I have seen DACHSHUNDS PARALYZED by such ill-formed bravado.

              Anythin' breaks your back to wield gotta prompt the Apocalypse if'n you swing 'em around at random.

              Speshly if'n there innocent doggies present.

              Originally Posted by max5ty View Post


              Edit: I tried to correct all the mistakes I made. Was a long day out boating and my mind suddenly shut down when I started typing this response.
              The arduous journey from work bra to yoga outfit is similarly evocative.

              Let's all hope I make sum actchswl sense as I transit.

              As a gal, I supposed to be a consummate multitashah.

              But respondin' here an' pullin' on the lycra ... while simultaneously wishin' to appear like I in no fancy myoosicyool ... suggests lack of focus but mebbe displays innate conjunction powah.

              Dunno.

              Jus' fell into my drinks cabinet tweakin' my gusset to avoid Flap Chafe latah.

              Conclusion?

              Process counts.

              Actschlly it is truer to say Princess counts, bcs this happened las' week also.

              For anywan concerned 'bout Dachshunds bein' paralysed (or even straight killed) simply bcs they Dachshunds, the Long Pooch Long Life charity has so much valybyool advice for pet ownahs 'bout healthy vitamin diets to strenghten their characteristic doggy backs, strategies to guard against more aggressive dahgs (on a leash, or feral), an' FFS life-savin' ways to DUCK or FLEE whenavah no drunken squido gal drahps 'em outta her industrial strength bra to impress her no-hoper BF. Long Pooch Long Life is affiliated to Long Pig Long Life International, which prides itself on exercisin' positive regard for gals gaht titties don't gonna take your frickin' eyeballs out if'n they pirouette exotically within huggable reach. Sounds woke, but it ain't. Tellya, you slapped in the face an' concussed for MONTHS or snapped in the spine by those vapidly irresponsibyool squido babies ... YOU NEVAH EVAH RECOVAH.
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    @ Princess -

    There are times I should just wait to post until my mind is clear...then sometimes I just think 'ahhh what the heck'

    I did the last post and hit post, then reread it and wondered how I got so many words out of place and all that. Some sentences made no sense.

    I corrected them and hit post again and reread it. I still missed a lot of mistakes.

    After about the 4th or 5th time, I finally got all my mistakes fixed?

    Back in the 1800s when I needed to write a promo for a company, I would usually take a few days and write the whole thing in my head. Driving down the road writing a promo in my head. Laying in bed, writing a promo in my head. And since my creative thinking always came in waves, sometimes this would take a few days.

    I never was the type that could come up with a good response immediately to something someone said. Usually, hours later when the person was nowhere around, I would think of a brilliant response.

    In the early 1900s I started getting smarter. I would sit down and type the promo with whatever popped in my head. It seemed as long as I had something on paper, my mind worked better because I had something to at least look at. The finished product was usually completely different from my first draft, but for some reason the first draft made my thinking clearer.

    I soon discovered somewhere around 1920 another odd thing. My first draft was usually the closest to what got attention and made people take action...

    the longer I labored and changed and rewrote and rewrote and reread and changed...it never seemed to have the same impact as my first draft (or very close to it).

    So that's the story of my life in a nutshell.

    Now back to the regularly scheduled programming...
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      In the early 1900s I started getting smarter. I would sit down and type the promo with whatever popped in my head. It seemed as long as I had something on paper, my mind worked better because I had something to at least look at. The finished product was usually completely different from my first draft, but for some reason the first draft made my thinking clearer.

      Interesting. I also found that writing something out...the process itself, triggered other thoughts...other angles of attack....different contexts.

      For decades, even now, when I'm driving alone, or sitting by myself in my library....I talk out loud to myself....trying sales arguments, scripts, appeals, and sometimes just arguing with a point of view I have.

      It's like one part of the brain is talking to another part of the brain.

      And of course, even when driving, if a good argument/sentence/technique pops up, I have to write it down immediately, or it's gone forever.

      I hope people driving by me when I'm talking, think I'm singing along with a song.
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      • Profile picture of the author max5ty
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I hope people driving by me when I'm talking, think I'm singing along with a song.
        Technology is helpful these days for those that talk to themselves.

        When I'm driving along and see someone in a car by themselves talking away, I assume they're talking on their phone using their built-in Bluetooth connection. Technology can really be helpful sometimes
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I never was the type that could come up with a good response immediately to something someone said. Usually, hours later when the person was nowhere around, I would think of a brilliant response.

    I hate it when that happens....and it happens a lot.
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    Thanks for the motivation! keep it simple stupid!
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  • Profile picture of the author coparker
    Thanks for your advice, don't reinvent the wheel unless you are very sure what you offer is truly unique.
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