Amazing Selling Machine – Anyone Else Had Problems Getting a Refund?

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Paid the first installment ($997) of four to
Amazing Selling Machine on March 17.

But when I started doing the course, discovered
there was further expense and more complexity
involved than was mentioned in the initial videos.

So last Friday (March 22) I asked for a refund in
their support section (there's a 30-day guaranteed
refund period).

I also (politely) asked Jason Katzenback for a refund
in a private message (no response from him).

Today (Monday) I checked my emails and get this
from their support section (even though I'd previously
asked them NOT to try to persuade me to change my
mind):

"Hello Eldo,

Is there anything we can help you with? Do you need
assistance with the training or are there any major issues
we can work out for you before you cancel?"

Then tried to login to my account at ASM and it says
"account deactivated"!

But I've received no email from ASM confirming
my refund.

Today phoned my credit card company and they say
I've received no refund from ASM.

I HAVE NO WAY TO CONTACT JASON OR MATT
ABOUT MY REFUND...

With each day that goes by my credit card is racking up
more interest (I asked for the refund last Friday, but still
no response).

Has anyone else on the Warrior Forum had this problem?

I'll keep you all updated about this.

This is VERY worrying.

If Jason or Matt read this, could you let me know why you
haven't yet issued my refund?
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  • A few minutes ago I somehow managed to get into the
    ASM support section (even though they've deactivated
    my account) and have just submitted a new ticket
    "Why still no refund?"

    Will keep you posted about their response.
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    • Hi Eldo,

      Try phoning the credit card company saying that you requested a refund of the charge but it hasn't been processed yet and you're concerned about the interest that's accruing.

      If you're a long-time customer in good standing I would hope the credit card company would waive the interest.

      Neil.
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    • Sagbee, sorry for not replying sooner (have been too busy to get back to the WF).

      • You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

      • If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

      • You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

      • You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

      And there are probably other costs involved as well (this opportunity is not for someone on a tight budget).

      Plus there's the monthly payment of $997 (so it would take 4 months to go through the whole course and get up and running solidly).

      Although this will probably work for some (I hope it does), it's not for me.

      Glad I got a refund and moved on...
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    • How much further Investment would be there.. but there was no response. Maybe you can give approx idea.. how much further investment there ?
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    • Jordan,

      Many thanks for the very valuable info in your video.

      I wish I'd seen this before getting involved with Amazing Selling Machine...

      All the best,

      Eldo
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  • well,

    As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

    1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

    2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).

    3. I'd recommend everyone consider the shipping factor in sourcing products. Personally I would strongly tend to look into smallest and lightest products which could still make a profit by courier shipping, it'll save tons of trouble to everything.

    Lastly, since I'm very much interested in this program and I have missed the time to join, if anyone in the course is interested in JV with me, feel free to let me know. Since I'm in China, I could get you anything in a better term as a local. I could even do it free, if you let me understand how you sell it well throgh AMS so we help each other to succeed.

    PM me if anyone is interested.
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    • Hello vBox,

      I PM'ed you about this one. Please reply on that because I am now ready to do this kind of business.

      Thanks.



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    • Re Opening.... I bet the current members are going to be really happy about that!

      The only people promoting this are those with an eye on the $1500-2000 affiliate commission they will earn.... sort of tells you what the real value in the course is if they can give away 1/2 the course fee to affiliates

      Caveat Emptor
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  • I got my refund very fast, no problems on that score
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    • Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

      However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

      I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
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  • I got on an email list from someone promoting this and he claims he's making $50k/month with it.
    I had no idea what it was so I came here to see if I could find out more about it. Glad I did. Thanks, as usual to the Warriors who give some inside info on a launch like this.

    I had no idea it costs $4k and now that I know I'm definitely not interested.

    $4k to invest in a business is fine if you know it's legit and will very likely work. But not really okay when it's from an Internet Marketer who is looking for a $2k payday for each person he gets to sign up. I actually trusted this person who sent me the emails about this but now I'm going to get off his list.

    Why? Because I can see from the comments here that this is a risky business. I can see that one could easily spend $4k+ and end up losing money plus be driven mad with all kinds of headaches. I have had some small experience with China and it wasn't good.

    Will this work for some people? Probably will. Will a lot of people invest money in it and either lose that money or struggle like hell to even break even? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that a lot of people will.

    I think the main thing is that it's a very slick marketing campaign with a $4k cost and a $2k commission for each sale. Like someone said above, that tells you a LOT about what is going on here.

    No thanks, I won't even bother to watch the videos or read the pdf's thank you very much.
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  • It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
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    • UPDATE Sept 2015:
      We don't charge our ProvenAmazonCourse students for any of our numerous new modules and updates. There are NO up-sells or surprise add-ons to this course. We just keep making it better for free! We are keeping the price as LOW as possible and we continue to have success stories POURING in. There's not need to pay thousands to learn these concepts.
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    • Will give Jim's course a go!
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  • Been getting approx 3-5 emails a day from marketers marketing this new launch. after reading this post from top to bottom it is clear to me its over priced and very hypey indeed.
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  • Its very funny the people who have chimed in positively is people who have no track record in the forum. The way I see it there is a sucker born everyday and if you buy the course .... ... I remember the times when there was testimonials of people who took the courses and said they actually made money.

    Now it is the norm to forget about testimonials of students who went through the course and have made some money with the course.

    It is the norm for the product creator to talk about his success and his wealth ... but any good program or teacher would have some success students to validate them.

    Guys stop buying products because it is good information ... If you cant take a product and beginning taking action right away then DONT BUY IT.

    Yes if you really looking to get into this business and some real hand holding .. I agree get Jim Cockrum course ... Its called "PROVEN Amazon Course" You want to be able to make money ... Please stop buying shiny object ... Just learn to make $5 dollars consistently .... And watch who you follow .

    Oh I highlighted proven because ... its been proven by other STUDENTS
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    • Not wanting to get into things here but really? Oh I know I opened a can of worms but you like slamming things you have no clue about?

      Its fine if it is not for you but your comment on a sucker... really? dominodivine you have any experience with the material... doesn't look like it so how can you have such an aggressive opinion?

      Pretty pathetic how you shoot anyone that says positive and only validate because of forum thread count.

      Oh and your comment about proven... huh??? Sounds like you are not wanting to listen to the proof that has been shared but that is fine.

      And as a matter of fact, the FTC is very clear that you can NOT personally share the results of students unless you can give 100% of what the average of everyone is.

      I am ok with opinions, but do we really need to be insulting to people, especially when when being hypocritical about someone who does share?

      So if I call the person that refunded a sucker because the people that stuck through it are killing it, would that be a cool thing to do? No... if something is not for someone fine, but why take stances like this?
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  • Matt and Jason have great reputations. I do not vouch for the product because I haven't tried it (never recommend something I don't personally try unlike other affiliates).

    However, just because something is "expensive" which is a relative term, doesn't mean there isn't tremendous value in their teachings; if a $10k investment gave a chance of yielding a lifelong ecommerce business, most "rich" or financially secure people would jump on it. Let's face it, Amazon is the now and future of commerce.

    I discovered the content through WP Zon (which is a fantastic wp plugin). I felt the initial 3 videos were eye-opening to some possibilities, and I'm sure the members area holds your hand through the process. I simply don't have the time and motivation to begin a completely new business model, but that doesn't give me the right to bash them for selling information and expertise into one of the most competitive and lucrative markets in the world - selling physical products.

    Faint heart never won fair lady, and sour grapes are good expressions that apply to this thread. Yes, buyer beware is one of them but don't read something and say AH HA! I knew it wasn't good, or I knew it wasn't bad. That's like a republican watching Fox to validate his views, or a democrat watching CNN. If you look for something you're going to find it...but what you won't find is the potential to make more money and add more value to others lives.
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  • nvsjr - congrats on your first post!

    You're right some won't make it. Most that have provided their thoughts on this post and the other in this forum don't even sell a private labeled product on Amazon.

    It's good to hear that you were able to take the plunge and I hope it works out for you. Not sure if you saw my review I created about ASM. I was part of the group in March.

    I posted it in this thread before with a few other comments, but all the posts I created are gone on this thread. Very odd.

    If you click on the YouTube badge under my name you'll see the review video about Amazing Selling Machine review and my 8 simple & complete step-by-step to getting started selling on Amazon.
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    • I looked up this thread as well as anything else I could find on ASM because someone looking at my book asked me about ASM.

      A WSO offering the program appeared on WF a few days ago, so I also read the sales page for that.

      One thing that sticks out in all the advertising for this system is that turnover figures are quoted, but no profit figures. High turnover benefits Amazon, and gives employment to their staff, but how much does it add to your bank balance? I suppose being able to quote those big numbers might boost your ego (and maybe your affiliate sales,) but you can't bank ego.

      Private labeling is no big deal. There seems to be a sudden discovery that private labeling is possible. In my importing business that I started in 1987, a big % of the products we sold were private labelled. After I franchised the business I had a large number of franchisees who expected an absolute minimum 250% margin. My system delivered and still does, even though I am no longer involved, having been forced to retire.

      Locating genuine manufacturers is no big deal once you know where to look. You will have great trouble locating them if you go to the popular websites such as Alibaba, Aliexpress, madeinchina.com, tradekey, DHgate, EC21, globalsources, etc. There are a few sourcing sites where you will find genuine manufacturers.

      I don't publish those names online because there is a lot more to importing than just finding suppliers. When it is possible to register domain names very similar to ones that are well known, you need to know the ropes to distinguish between a trustworthy site and another one with the same name that I would not touch with a barge pole when the only difference is hyphens.
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  • is this being relaunched right now anyone know? after reading this thread i am running away
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    • Anybody with any experience in marketing online can recognize fluff in a pitch presented as substance.

      While I was listening to their pitch, I was looking for things that I could not learn and research on by myself. As they were talking I could recognize what the information might actually be. For example - do you really think that they have an "amazing secret on how to name your product for sales". Coooome on :rolleyes:

      And how to design, brand your product and what images to use, I am guessing also fluff. It would be a more serious offer if they hadn't used so many "amazing secrets" in the pitch. Common sense will tell you that, once branded, get a sample and use a professional photographer to make the atmosphere in the photos that will make the product more buy-able.

      One thing that I couldn't pin down is what they might be talking about when they talk about getting 5 star reviews. So, please, some of you that got it, can you just give an idea of what they might be proposing here. If it's getting your friends to write reviews or paying for reviews, then the ASM is just another build up on what could be compressed in a 100 page PDF that I would buy if it was 47 bucks.

      My gut feeling is that this product is for the people with enough money to splurge and that mindset that if you pay that much for something, then you are more likely to take action.

      Anyway, I am very curious on how they propose you get the 5 star reviews...

      Thanks in advance...
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    • I have seen several videos for a relaunch, I think it is coming to an end soon.

      I watched all the training videos 6 months ago when it last launched and got quite excited about the opportunity.

      Based on the free videos, I did dome initial research, particularly in the cost of sourcing samples and shipping products. I picked a few products and done some rudimentary ROI calculations and decided at the time it is not within my budget to take advantage of this opportunity.

      It certainly sounds like a great opportunity if you have the time and cash to invest, I will stick to building my list for now and perhaps I will be ready next time it launches.

      If you are going to join then check around as some marketers are offering some good bonuses if you sign up through them.

      I wish you all the best whatever you decide to do.
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    • @Lotusdraggon - thanks for the supportive comments and research.

      Two thoughts (updated Sept 2015):
      The "ProvenAmazonCourse" is priced FAR lower than it should be (and still thousands less than ASM). Lately it's been improved to include new content (such as China sourcing, wholesale sourcing, international selling (HUGE!) a world class Private Label course taught by one of the all time most success full Private Label experts on the planet. We've been updating our course, adding support staff, and giving our all new content we create in this niche for FREE for years. You won't find anyone with a longer term success record teaching how to sell physical product online. We've been leading in this niche since 2002.

      next -
      While I have very strong opinions on some of the issues you've raised, I'm unlikely to enter a public debate over the merits of any given course - especially one that I'm in direct competition with. Because of my conflict of interest here I can't expect strangers (unfamiliar with my reputation) to take my word as truth. I'll let people do their own research (Please do!) and let the many other fans of our work defend what we've built.

      That being said, we do regularly survey ALL of the students of the "Proven Amazon Course" (the one that competes directly with ASM), and the results continue to be simply incredible - we report the survey results on the bottom of the simple sales page for our course. I challenge ANY AND ALL creators of "how to courses" to follow suit and report a full student survey to the world.

      In virtually spontaneous fashion we've sold out three huge events in a single day. Among the attendees, nearly all are using our ideas to succeed online. I'll let the RESULTS and my REPUTATION speak for itself here - I'll not allow myself to get dragged into public debate however.

      We've found that selling private label products is NOT an easy game, but with the proper instruction and approach it is one of several viable models for profiting on Amazon. We teach numerous success strategies in our community - all of which can be done with a good outsource team (you don't have to put tape on boxes to do this business!)

      We are committed to making the PAC course the best in the world at the most reasonable price. I say it's the most up to date, most transparent (we report our student results in a survey right on our sales page), most supported (over 30 paid staff supporting it), most helpful community (13,500+ in our Facebook group), and most comprehensive course in this niche (multiple strategies for success with physical products)...all at an incredibly low price.
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  • I got some free access (seems like they will be pitching something in soon). Don't know why different products.
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  • ASM suggests you can find manufacturers in the U.S. and sell their stuff on Amazon; "it's just a matter of researching the profitable products like shower mirrors." They say manufacturers are not into the business of retail because that's not their business model. I tend to disagree. Manufacturers will sell wholesale to retailers, but they will also sell their own stuff on Amazon as well and usually under sell their retailers.

    Their (ASM) claims simply go against universal business and free market principles. There's no shortcut; you'll need to source your goods overseas or from Mexico to get any kind of reasonable margin; pay for ocean or air freight; hope you're not dealing with fraudulent "manufacturers" who may not be manufacturers in the first place but rather individuals posing as manufacturers who buy from the factories and mark up their prices; and deal with the many competitors on Amazon. Just do a test search of any commodity on Amazon, like cell phone cases or even shower mirrors and note the long list of sellers jockeying for your attention. What Amazon is brilliant at doing is forcing down prices. It makes the retail market extremely efficient; prices can change by the hour. There are inventors who put up a product of their own, and the next week a knock off is selling it at half the price, and it's too hard to track them down because they are in Asia and are hard to pin down; not to mention the legal costs, time, energy and stress.

    The Golden Rule -- trust your instincts! look through the hype and do your due diligence.
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    • So I figured I would chime in here and post on this rather "active" thread...

      I have not purchased ASM, nor am I inclined to. I'm gathering from this thread that the program involves sourcing stock products from overseas, private labelling it with your own brand, shipping it to Amazon, and then selling exclusively on Amazon.com

      This is a wonderful idea, depending of course on a few things.

      1) What is the product you are selling? Is it manufactured in the USA, or overseas? What's the demand like for this product and are a lot of people selling it?

      2) Amazon takes quite the hefty commission on all products sold on their site. So does your product allow a high enough margin in order for this to be worth your time?

      3) Did you know that in order to sell on Amazon.com, you first have to show them that you already have some sort of existing website that you "sell" your products on? I hope they go over that in the course.

      4) Did you also know that if you don't own the brand of whatever product you are selling (ie, reselling someone else's product which is what most people do), then Amazon can easily (and will) go to your supplier, order the same product in bulk at a deep discount, and then undercut you on their site? Thereby effectively rendering your business, well, useless!

      I've been quietly working away on my own website that features a very hot and in demand product. This website is completely automated. It is set to take a customers order, verify that the address is good,charges the payment, sends it to a fulfillment house (automatically) that picks, packs, and ships the product to the customer. I am also selling this same product on Amazon.com ( that's two independent distribution channels). Half of the inventory is in one fulfillment centre, the other half is over at Amazon.

      I am contemplating selling this as a turn-key business to anyone who's very serious about owning, running and profiting from their own automated manufacturing business.

      This is a SINGLE opportunity, I'm not selling the same thing to 100 different people...

      No I will not disclose the product/niche here. If you are interested then PM me and Ill give you the details.
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    • @srjjames - Invest in yourself brother. If you are looking for an alternative without all the software. Click on the YouTube icon under my name and watch my Amazon presentation.

      @Claire Koch - If you were to do that, you could be running away from a great opportunity. Everyone has their opinions and some are more one sided.

      In the video I created with my honest opinion on YouTube. I felt I provided a very good preservative of the good and bad.

      @roadrunner2009 - ASM and Jim's course are different in the aspect they are teaching two different methods to create success on Amazon. There are a few other threads that discuss it on Warrior Forum

      @Robertson27 - Same thing I wrote above to roadrunner2009

      @linusk - Before you do, I would like the opportunity to provide you my thoughts and what I have to offer.

      @ontyme - All great things worth having take risk

      @Netrover - Finding manufactures is a lot harder to find and sometimes non existent in the USA. There are some you can find easily like skin care products, but our world is global now and a lot of manufacturing is in China. The Chinese are not bad people.

      Not sure how much experience you have, but my work with manufactures only look to run off hundreds if not thousands of a product. They look to sell to disturbers, then so on.

      Manufactures are not usually set up for that business model since it is totally different and they are only looking to sell large bulk.

      The point with ASM is to create your brand. Instead of going into again what that means and the advantages of it. I discuss it in this thread on the forum.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post9098469

      I also created a presentation on YouTube talking about it and the process.

      @ihatetyping - Jim's course and ASM are two totally different business models. They are not the same.
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    • Guys, im not going to get too much into detail just yet, but it is a well known secret that many of the "top dawgs" just skip the "hardest" part of the whole process and sell supplements

      This means that the manufacturing part is EASY as you send them or pick a formula and it is done in the USA.

      That moves eliminates your MAJOR friction point of supplier (that kills most people) and lets you focus on marketing.

      Supplements are easier to sell and you can sometimes get them on an auto rebill within the amazon system as well and personally the 8 people I know that are doing ASM and making between 10k-500k a month, 7 of them are doing supplements.

      Not to say that Non-supplements don't work. I don't know, i just know that the guys who I know that are "winning" are all doing supplements.
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    • Hi, I did because it's several months old. I have new videos, though. If you click on the youtube icon link next to my name (to the left of this post) you'll see my new series. I have 3 videos out now about alternatives, a 4th one coming out in a couple days.

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  • So I had a feeling that this course was based on selling private label supplements on Amazon...

    I've been doing it for awhile without paying 4K into the course, makes me want to make my own info product on this..oh wait I already did (launching soon)

    If anyone wants coaching on how to do exactly what these guys are teaching, PM me and Ill hook you up.
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    • The course talks about selling a private label, nothing in the training is specific to supplements.

      @Greg Jacobs is the one talking about the opportunity with supplements.
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  • Sorry to hear your situation Mamalisa! Could your problem be from someone messing with you on Amazon?
  • I had a similar thing happen to me. I primarily sell in a category that requires approval and had my category privileges revoked... with my inventory sitting in Amazon's warehouse. This was not over an issue of authenticity, this was over not submitting data feed to a sandbox account (after YEARS of selling on Amazon).

    It took MONTHS to work out (I believe 9) and the entire experience left me pretty 'raw' about Amazon also. It is not, and was not, my major sales channel and the inventory there was not most of my inventory. I am glad you posted your experience because it's not all sunshine and rainbows when dealing with Amazon's bureaucracy.
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  • you better get that credit card blocked, if they have not responded they intend to do it again then you will have another $997.00 on top of that one. I was almost convinced with what they were doing but, something just wasnt right about it and then i found this site and now I am definitely NOT going to waste money i would have to borrow in the first place, good luck.
  • Jim Cockrum - please do your 99 dollar Warrior Forum special again for the Proven Amazon Course.

    This is post 102 in this tread and you have not answered. Please do.
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    • I'm truly honored at the overwhelmingly supportive reaction my PAC course has gotten on the forums here - My team and I have diligently answered questions from hundreds of people at this point in the past few weeks alone. That same team is also working very hard to continually update and improve the course - literally DAILY it gets better with new content, new sourcing ideas and layout improvements.

      Also keep in mind that we only charge a one time fee and you get all future updates. We don't have any other fees in the future as the course improves. We pay a large staff (over 30) moderators to help on our forums, and I pay student experts VERY well to add in their ideas. It's like an evolving wikipedia of the best ideas for selling product on Amazon.

      For those reasons and more the current price (which is WAY below the high point of $700) is more than fair. We simply can't justify giving it away for a lower price any longer. I ran that price special as long as we could, but it's been expired for some time now.
    • The Proven Amazon Course's content (if you were to buy everything individually) is probably $5,000 (arguably much higher). $247 is a steal, and if it were $347 or $399 or $499, I'd say the same thing. Is the course perfect? No, but it's one of 4 that are proven to work for its members and Jim's 100% money back, no hassles guarantee is one of the best if not the best in the industry.
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  • Looks like nik0 and I were asking the same question just minutes apart, lol. This thread makes no sense.
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      Did you also just figure out that the day of posting is not 25 March 2014, but 2013
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  • What you did not tell is how Jim's course compares with ASM in terms of private labeling subject.

    How good is PowerBrand system?

    What I am wondering is does that rule work on life's level or certain business model level.
    I have to assume on second thought that it's the later because you can fail at one business model but success in another. This could vary from person to person though.
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    • This is true. So why spend $4000 when you can spend $249? :-)
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  • If you are crazy-worried about CC charges for $997, how the hell were you going to afford the full $3000 + the four or five figures needed to ship a consignment from China to the FBA centres????? This is not a business that can be done on the cheap, IMO you need high 5 figures to do this.

    Credentials: running an amazon store for almost 3 years, 100% feedback, 4 digits of product sold per year!
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  • I have not found anyone who will sell me low MOQ from China. All of them want me to buy an XXL container at minimum which is something like 36 EU pallets per container IIRC.

    You could potentially save some money if your buying XXL containers but renting a warehouse and storing it there and just sending to FBA by the palletload, because their storage fees are immense in comparison to how much it costs to rent a warehouse, especially if you sub-let it with partitions.
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    • It is possible to get suppliers to sell much smaller quantities than the huge MOQs you have been quoted. There are a lot of myths and misconceptions about buying from China.
      • Massive discounts for volume. FALSE. I recently checked a quote for one of my students and it confirmed what I already knew, that discounts for doubling, trebling, or multiplying by 10 the size of an order only amount to a very small %.
      • You have to buy container loads if you want to buy direct from manufacturers. FALSE. During the 22 years I ran an importing business which I franchised in 4 countries, the average shipment value was about $500, but shipments ranged from $100 to $50,000.
      • Buy from wholesalers for good prices. This is partly true, but it fails to take into account that buying direct from the manufacturer will give you a massive increase in profit margins, even when you buy small quantities. After all where do the wholesalers buy?
      • Wholesalers give quicker delivery because they stock inventory. FALSE. Many wholesalers never stock inventory. In fact they often don't even have a formal arrangement with the manufacturers. They try to sell the product - they get an order - they contact the manufacturer hoping to be able to buy and sell to you at a profit. If they succeed they have done very well. If they fail, they refund your money, leaving you to start the process again.
      • Wholesalers sell smaller quantities because they carry inventory. FALSE. Wholesalers are usually much more inflexible on MOQs than manufacturers because: a) They want to make a killing on your order and a big quantity is important for that. b) With a big order they have a better chance of persuading the manufacturer to deal with them.
      You may have been dealing with wholesalers pretending to be manufacturers. This is far too common. The great majority of "manufacturers" listed on the big, popular sourcing sites are in fact traders and wholesalers falsely claiming to be manufacturers. If you can't trust them to be truthful in that, can you trust them with your money?
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  • The first step he recommends is to ask 3 to 10 of your family and friends what are 3 items they couldn't live without and what they're biggest frustrations are with those products. Then you make your product selection based on their response and create a better product addressing the issues they raised. Then pre-sell the product to them to get an "army" of buyers. This, apparently, is supposed to ensure your success.

    The idea is good but 3 to 10 people? And family and friends? That constitutes an army of buyers? No, that's 3 to 10 people that would buy your product out of obligation more than anything else. Its completely ridiculous. How about just finding out what's selling on Amazon, look at the reviews and use that as your market research?
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    • That's the necessary stage to have initial social proof for your product listing needed to start the ball rolling. Would you buy product with 0 reviews or 3 reviews?
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    • No, I have never been a member of ASM and barely watched the free videos. My point was is that the free ASM videos are more valuable than a paid PAC course based on what I have seen.

      So much of it is about picking the right product and buying it at the right price. If you get that right, you can screw up a lot of other stuff.
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  • There is another company who launched something like ASM but better and not even close to $4000.00
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  • These guys are asking to much. It's not worth it and there are other cheaper courses to learn the same. The fact it's this difficult to get a refund says it all. These guys just want to make money themselves in spite of the fact they keep repeating in their promotional videos they are there to help.......... Yeah right........... People keep buying this BS. Remember always: If it looks to be good to be true it is.......
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  • I have been fighting with Amazon to get "MY" earned money.

    I've run into many problems due to being Canadian and no American.

    They keep insisting that I open a US Bank Account and the Banks, Credit Unions tell me it's impossible to do that.

    They also expect me to have gotten my Driver's License in the US. I got it in Alberta, CANADA.

    Not a good experience and my account is also FROZEN until I comply with their obligations.

    Tom
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  • And I guess you are here to save the day for people lacking common sense, who easily buy into hype not understanding what's involved? It's good that you recalled what ASM is about but people who come to this thread are interested about business model taught there and you lead them astray to courses teaching general Amazon selling, calling them alternatives. A perfect audience for someone with his own agenda, who took negative PR associated with ASM buzz to capitalize on.

    I guess there are almost no people to trust these days in this business as they have their own interests.
    At least it seems IM business doesn't work that way.

    I was talking about alternatives that you are pushing here and surprisingly on Kindle market. Nowhere did I claim there are no alternatives. There is a free information available on blogs and YouTube videos about private labeling from people doing it. Some of these people are ASM students offering their own unique approach with private coaching and eBooks as well which are nowhere near the price tag of ASM.
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    • Thanks for the ultra-fast response, Felix! But I didn't post any affiliate links or direct anyone to my e-book and video reviews of Amazon selling courses or systems in this thread. I think that's against the Warrior forum rules. But don't despair, you (or anyone here), feel free to private-message me and request my review guide/video page, I'm happy to send it (it's free, no sign-up required, no personal information to submit.)

      Cheerio,
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  • The saga of 'CopyDog's' refund request for 'The Amazing Selling Machine' is amazing in of itself...

    I have taken time to read through most of the thread, mainly to understand the general mentality of the warrior members who have contributed by commenting to the tread. firstly I'd like to comment on the refund request by 'CopyDog' - Personally I thought he was rather naive and impatient to have expected an instantaneous refund to show up in his bank account.

    From what I understand, he made an initial request for a refund late Friday, then got nervous when he received a canned "Is there anything we can help you with" response by Saturday. CopyDog then felt compelled to make his refund issue public to put a fire under the feet of the vendors, who in the meantime, had already started the refund process in any event.

    Firstly, what 'CopyDog' had failed to take into account, is that there is a chain of events in the refund process, which usually takes 2 working days, so having the funds appear back into his account by Monday was a pretty good result I would have thought.

    Secondly, business is not for everyone, it takes a special kind of entrepreneurial spirit which some people naturally have instinctively, in other words they are born with indomitable spirit which never gives up...

    Which is very different from an opportunity seeker, looking for an easy way to make a quick buck. The fact is, any successful business requires a certain level of dedication most people are just not prepared to make, which is why 85% of opportunity seekers will purchase a product from somewhere like the Warrior Forum, and never take action on what they learn from it. The statistics are appalling.

    Which just proves what I've always believed, entrepreneurs are born, it is not something you can learn from an eBook or course, you either have what it takes or you don't, it's really that simple.

    Of course there is always the exception, but it takes an almost super-human effort for someone who may posses the spark, but not the fire in the belly, which is what it takes to succeed at anything in life, period!

    However, let me finish by revealing THE SECRET of success to those who have the spark, but not yet the fire in the belly...

    Firstly, you have to change the way you think, and develop your imagination more. Secondly, you have to experience that first little taste of success, this will give you the essential confidence you need to take on an even bigger task and win. You have to be convinced within yourself you can do it, and you do that by dismissing your illusions, and conquering self doubts. Achieving a little victory will boost your convictions, and put the fire in your belly, guaranteed.

    Crawling before we can walk, is the same process we all go through. However, impatience, laziness and our natural instinct to look for shortcuts, have preconditioned us to always look for the easy way out... It is that, which we all need to arrest and change to see success at anything.

    Above all, you need to want to succeed so bad, you can smell it...

    FINALLY:
    The one thing you can right now and see instant results, is to manage your time better, and give something up. That something may be to stop looking for the answers you probably already have collecting dust on your hard drive, AND TO SIMPLY TAKE ACTION...

    For what it's worth.
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    • You are right about time but what can you advice for productivity? I have managed to sacrifice things for time, yet I am struggling with getting things done. Struggling to establish and follow system where I work like a clock. My analogy to this would be worker on a conveyor who works almost non-stop. No distractions, just plain focus and productivity for 7 hours.
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  • This may be a little off topic, but if you are having problems getting things done, you might want to try pipedrive. Google it and then google for free three month coupon. I don't want to sound like a hypey affiate, but it is good.
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  • Hmm.. I was on the brink of purchasing the ASM as I know the potential of selling on Amazon, plus nowadays almost any product keywords you typed in google, you will see amazon results on the first page (if not the first 3 results). So big G places a lot of trust on amazon now. Just as I was about to press the "add to cart" button, I decided to do some research first. So I found some information when googling, I also found information here on WF.

    After some deep thoughts, I decided it was too big a risk at $3.5k. And even though there is a refund policy, but I guess maybe the course is too over-priced. If you go to the jv page at ASM: Welcome | Amazing Selling Machine JV Center you will see that they grossed over 16mil the last time. And 50% of that is going to affiliates. So we the buyers are effectively paying 50% to the ones who is sending us those emails. Even though I am impressed with the tool called product sniper from ASM, which will help you find profitable products, I guess now I just need to resort to doing this manaully by choosing a comfortable category and search for them one by one. I will post my results after I start my Amazon selling journey...
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    • i wish you te best of luck because you are going to need it, its why people on the PAc course dont make the kind of money we do in ASM because our tools and systems are better. your course cost is minor compared to what your going to make by implementing the system. A risk, i think that comment is a bit of a joke because if you really knew from people inside the group making money you would laugh at it yourself
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  • I didn't realize Amazons profits were so ultra slim. No wonder their stock tanked. Any platform where there are tens of thousands of sellers all following the same plan...isn't along term business.
  • We have a cheaper alternative HERE
    the PayPal add thing its not mine

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  • They don't want you selling Garcinia or any of those supplements because that's what they're selling, not telling you, and making a fortune from... maybe not garcinia now but whatever the next big fad supplement is..

    If anyone is interested in supplements, PM me and id be happy to share some insight
  • the products limited are only by your imagination. the recommendations they have on products are a starting guide on how to go about choosing your product. Many of my students have all gone into different categories with products never in top 100/500 and have done very well. Also Asm is being re structured to a much higher level of training.
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    • Product selection is the foundation of success in this business, so it'll be interesting to see how the training progresses this time around. Last time around, I saw way too many members making poor choices.
    • What a relief... They must have realized (less likely) the damage they did to marketplace by giving everyone same system to follow to end up fighting and undermining each other's metrics with fake reviews and selling same product. Or they just had to make changes to sell their 5th installment of their course (more likely) to let another influx of sellers into marketplace. I hope this time they put less emphasis on their tactic of "standing out" because if not, even more restrictions should be expected from Amazon because of this sheeple mentality.
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    • Proven Amazon Course is good for certain things, but I would not recommend it for private label anymore. A lot has changed in the last few months,so even at the low price point, there are now better options than PAC if you want to do private labeling and can't afford ASM.
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    • @pauls_pad2002,

      Would you mind sharing recent stats? I was reviewing your listings earlier and the account I looked at didn't appear to be at the level I would have expected.
    • LOL. your group is the best out there? What a joke. Go check who's at the top of the affiliate list during the last launch, and it'll probably be at the top again this latest launch, miles ahead.

      I seriously doubt the words of this guy. Go check all his postings. He will only appear when the launch comes, during last Oct and now Apr, why? Because he wants to make that commission, desperately.. LOL..

      Seriously dude, if I am going to signup for such an expensive course (which I did actually), of course I am going to sign up under the guidance of some reputable guy, not under someone like you, who only show up and start posting on WF prior to ASM launch. I doubt any noobie will fall for his traps.. LOL..
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  • what are you referring to, what stats...if its my earnings i hold those as my own business, its private and i don't share that information nor do i share the products im doing.
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    • Yes, I was referring to your earnings. As someone who talks up the value of his bonus, I would have expected significant earnings that could be used to support the claims.

      I certainly understand the desire to keep account information private; however, your account is relatively easy to track down and it just didn't seem to match up with what I would have expected given the value you claim to provide.
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  • I still can't get over the fact that they charge $4,000 for this course...
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    • In 1930, at the start of the Great Depression, Jean Patou launched a new perfume, called it "JOY", and advertised it as "The world's most expensive perfume", and made a large fortune.
    • Actually, It's $5,000 now, or $6,000 if you pay in monthly installments.

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    • You don't have to. And, as has been stated, the cost is now more than that.

      If you choose not to get over it (because it is tempting you) then you can either continue to focus on the direct cost ($5k) or you can focus on the direct value ($5k relative to the income gained). Cost is just one part of the two part economic equation.

      As has been stated many, many times there are countless ASMers who have paid the direct cost and gotten many multiples of that back in income in a relatively short time period.

      More important they have gone onto build a hugely significant online asset that will reward them for years, decades to come. I've coached many of them through it on the inside of ASM.

      Cost or value. The choice is yours.

      If you need any more info don't hesitate to contact me by message.
  • No the program is NOT perfect but its bloody good, and i never really made any substantial money online at all but once i did ASM i am making money.
    As for people being flawed i think a lot are because not everyone has the same energy or get up and go or motivation to success. a lot of people don't have the staying power to sit and watch videos or then do the research into products and apply that science to what they know can work.
    Its like anything if you have a good attitude to making something work and are not lazy at all then ASM is definitely something that can help you and if anyone needs any help in getting started im happy to help. i have just offered my services to someone struggling to get her ad campaign working so we have revamped her listing and keywords as this is a good focus for getting your product selling. No charge despite being offered money but thats the giving back that we believe in
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    • I'm sorry Paul. I know you probably think I'm giving you a hard time for no reason, but I just have difficulty seeing you talk up your offer when it doesn't look like you're achieving significant results yourself. ASM is great, and I have no problem recommending it, but if you're going to say how great your bonus is, then I think it's only fair that you also mention your own sales or profit numbers. If there are uncommon challenges that have impacted your business, then outline them as an explanation as to why others could expect to do better.

      I've already seen your account, so I'm not asking because I'm curious myself. I'm asking for the benefit of others. Of course, it's your choice whether or not to post your results, but keeping them private implies that it's not good enough to highlight.

      Honestly, I really don't think anyone is reading through this thread other than a couple of affiliates, so it probably doesn't matter, but having participated in this thread for so long, I just get the impression that you're hiding something. Like I said above, ASM is great, but it's really the private label business model that is contributing to great results. People have choices with respect to the course that they purchase and also the affiliate with whom they decide to purchase through.

      So, if you're going to use this public forum to promote your offer, and you're confident in it's value, then I'm politely asking you to post your own results as proof of what can be achieved.
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  • Looking back through this thread I can see that a number of people have raised the issue of bonuses that have been offered in the past as part of buying ASM.

    Let me clarify for those thinking of ASM5 which will be released briefly in a few days time:

    No matter what the bonus being offered to sign up, no matter how 'expensive' they appear, no matter how important the bonuses look to you, these are simply not needed in doing ASM. Everything you need is already included within the ASM materials. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. It is an expensive course and NOTHING has been left out that is of material importance.

    Let me clarify even further. I strongly believe that the bonuses being offered are actually detrimental to those joining ASM. Why? Reading, watching, digesting, thinking about the bonuses take valuable time and effort away from the vital core, fundamentals of ASM. Quite frankly they are a big distraction and time-suck on a students focus when they should be working on the actual ASM material.

    There is one exception to this. Coaching. Specifically one-to-one coaching.

    This type of coaching can, and does, make a huge difference to those incoming to ASM. I know because i've personally coached many new ASMers through the complete length of the course.

    One-to-one coaching can be tightly tailored to a newcomers own issues. It allows the newcomer to learn the core material then get specific coaching around the elements that are most difficult for them as an individual. Additionally, one-to-one coaching sessions allow for the newcomer to hear about issues of implementation that they may not have considered and need to know about.

    So, forget all the bright, expensive looking, bonuses being offered, they are not only pointless they are a serious and unwelcome distraction from what you need to focus your energies upon.

    If you want more information on ASM, the course, the materials, and on one-to-one coaching through the process just send me a message. If you have questions i will give you straight answers to them.
  • ASM is NOT for everyone.

    Some people should NOT purchase it. That may sound strange coming from me. Let me explain:

    Don't get me wrong. For most people ASM is going to be the single biggest opportunity they will ever have of creating and owning a very significant online business. There is little doubt about that.

    However, there are some people that simply shouldn’t consider it. In my opinion, here are 3 categories of people that should walk away and forget it:

    1. ASM is not for anyone who fully buys-into the marketing hype that surrounds many internet marketing training launches out there. “Buy this course and make $50 million a year from your smartphone, whilst relaxing on the beach.” Of course i’m being ridiculous in paraphrasing, but to make a point.

    At some time in the past some/many of us have been cynically manipulated by so called ‘gurus’ into purchasing material and training that has lots of bluster but little real valuable and actionable content. Maybe you've fallen for it more than once. I know I have.

    I’m not saying that ASM is not for anyone who has taken the bait for this. I am saying that if you still believe in it then don’t buy ASM. Why do i say this? Well, because the mindset that is often associated with ‘get rich quick’ and 'get rich easy' and the manipulation of people into buying products, is inappropriate for ASM (quite apart from being morally questionable).

    ASM is not for these people because it’s about building a real, genuine, valuable, sustainable, business over time. Not a flash-in-the-pan overnight “success”.

    2. ASM is not for anyone with fundamental financial “problems”.

    If you truly cannot afford to purchase ASM, please don’t try! I’m not talking about those who have to financially stretch’ to become members. The vast majority of ASM members have had to do that, to begin with. I’m talking about those in a position where they are truly struggling to keep body and soul together, who may have families they are struggling to house and feed.

    Anyone in this type of position will be too anxious and desperate to make things work properly.

    I’m not saying it’s not possible to do this. In fact there are many cases in ASM where people have started earning excellent money, very, very fast. But, it’s too risky and it’s the wrong mindset with which to do ASM properly.

    Beside that, I don’t want on my conscience that i may have been part of why they bought ASM5.

    3. ASM is not for anyone who does not have a reasonable degree of resilience.

    ASM is about building a real business. Don’t think of it as an 8 week course that you take and then suddenly everything in the world is rosy. There are difficulties ahead. Everybody in ASM has them. Every single member. Some of us have had many of them along the way.

    ASM is a journey that never ends. The people at the top of Virgin or IBM or Google aren’t sitting in their office drinking tea all day. They’re working hard on their business. So it is with ASM. It’s not a magic pill, it’s building a real and valuable asset.

    Anyone who ‘collapses’ and gives up when problems arise should not buy ASM. Of course, we all have our days when we feel like giving up. I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about those who let it stop them permanently. If this is you, please don't buy.

    Okay, there you have it. If anyone has any questions or points they want to make on this, please let me know and i will delve further as I have personally coached a large number of incoming ASMers through the complete course and onto earning a significant income and building a sustainable long term business.

    If you want any further information then you can message me directly.
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    • Maybe it is just me, but if a course is going to cost me $4-6K and then only offer a 30 day refund on doing PRIVATE LABEL, that is a HUGE red flag.

      I have my first private label product up and running. Just launched about 2 weeks ago. I used the Proven Amazon Course. It easily took me 3 months of back and forth with a supplier to get my product designed, packaging designed, samples sent and re-sent, etc before I had anything in my hands to ship to Amazon.

      How can a course that is "so amazing" and "bloody good" that affiliates seem to claim you have to be an idiot not to make serious money with only come with enough time to go through the materials? If the producers really want to put their money where their mouths are, they should have a reasonable time frame for refunds as it is impossible.

      I'm not saying ASM doesn't have valuable information. Good grief, there'd better be some AMAZING content. I'm just saying that ANYONE that puts that big of a price tag on a product AND doesn't offer more than 30 days for customers to go through it and see whether it works or not...well...its just a little, I don't know, scammy?

      But I also know that if I WERE to pay 4 figures for anything, I'm going to defend my purchase vehemently because otherwise, I'd be like the Emperor in The Emperor's New Clothes...not wanting to admit that I wasted money and look like an idiot.

      Now dodging the flaming arrows that are sure to come.
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    • The risks and potential pitfalls of putting all your chips on the loose and shifting sand that is Amazon is barely even mentioned (if mentioned at all). If someone really did suggest tapping into retirement funds in order to buy a muti-thousand dollar course about selling on Amazon using PL, then clearly they've given highly irresponsible advice.

      Take slow and steady steps into this business. There's no need for massive, risky, giant leaps. There's nothing "cookie cutter" about success on Amazon or anywhere else in business for that matter.
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    • If someone said that in seriousness, rather than jest, then they should be ashamed of themselves.

      On your other point, you do not need deep pockets. I myself got my first ASM inventory into amazon's warehouses for just less than $500 and i made 43% net profit on it. I also coach incoming ASMers through the length of the training material and see a lot of them succeed. This includes them investing anywhere between $400 and $1000 for their first stock.

      If you, or anybody else, have questions they would like to ask about ASM then just message me and I will give you straight answers.

      Good luck with your business
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  • "Those who spent too much time teaching, aren't doing." That's how I feel about these 2 guys, trying to get rich by oversaturating Amazon with amateur crappy sellers, with the help of kiss-butt affiliates to leech off of that.
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    • While I don't know the guys behind ASM very well, I don't think they are anything but decent guys and I wish them well.

      It all sort of feels like "college" vs. "self education" to me though.

      It's getting harder all the time to justify going to college and spending $50K/yr to be told what books to read - with the only other bonus being you are part of the "fraternity" - all while learning things that any of us can pick up in books or courses online that cost a few bucks and on youtube from people already doing the stuff we want to learn. The true experts ARE out there just DOING it. Hook up with them and save your cash. That's why my courses are all dirt cheap - i know my true competition is "free". I just organize it all into one place - that's not worth $6k a pop imho.

      There's a reason colleges are scrambling - it's getting harder to justify big ticket education of any sort. The alternatives are right under our noses...and often quite better than the pricier "easy to look at" option.

      I hire people all the time (my team is over 70 people now) and if you want to get eliminated fast from consideration, just try telling me where you went to college. We don't care.
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    • Well everyone is entitled to an opinion. Rightly so in a democracy. But I disagree almost entirely with your views.

      1. "Those who spend too much time teaching aren't doing." I know Matt and I can absolutely assure you he is "Doing". In a very, very big way. His ASM business is of a size that would astonish many people. And, he teaches.

      Also, I teach ASM. I coach incoming ASMers through the material for the entire length of the course. It takes up a part of eight weeks of my time. And, I have an ASM business. A very large ASM business.

      So, you premise is incorrect i'm afraid. You can indeed teach AND have a big business.

      2. ASM does not flood Amazon with crappy sellers. I don't know what crappy means to you but ASM has a very large number of hugely successful sellers. So, unless your definition of crappy is someone who becomes very successful then, again, your premise is flawed.

      3. I can't speak for other ASM affiliates but I can assure you that i am no 'kiss butt'. In fact if you search elsewhere in this forum you will see posts from me that urge some people NOT to buy ASM and i give the reasons why very clearly. (For anyone who can't find it and is interested then message me and i will track it down.)

      Also, I have said in other forums publicly that I think the marketing of ASM is extremely poor because it comes across like yet another IM course for people to make a quick buck when in fact it's strength is in building a real, long term, sustainable business. (Quite the opposite of the vast majority of IM 'businesses' i've ever seen.)

      For my part I wouldn't define either of these actions as 'kiss butt'. But, as I said, everyone is entitled to an opinion.
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