Something a little different... entrepreneurism

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I've been thinking about some of the gurus making shifts into real business models lately with a sort of chuckle.

By virtue of the activities that get discussed on this forum, the majority of the members here would at minimum, classify themselves as "entrepreneurs". As entrepreneurs, we each come to the table with different motivations and desires. But in reality, we all want the same thing... to make money, right?

There's a lot of discussion here about the mechanics of starting and running a business from the "how" side, but I wonder how many people here are actually transitioning from the hobbyist activities of earning some cash as affiliates or whatever their method, to moving their business to the stages beyond the owner-operator getting some Paypal payments here and there or a check from Google or Clickbank.

There's a difference between a hobby that makes money, and a sustainable asset that continues to grow and operate into the future.

Over the years, I've seen a pattern that holds true even today with technology and internet companies... most new companies are not started on the basis of totally new or original ideas - but are based on old ideas that are updated in some manner.

The most successful ventures are NOT the pure innovations that change markets. Sure, those are longshot, mega-deals that borderline on divine intervention... curing cancer, developing cold fusion power, etc...

But most successful businesses are based on bringing some incremental change or improvement to a product, a method, or a market.

I know that a big hurdle for people here is trying to figure out what to sell.

What niche should I be in?

What kind of product should I develop?

And conventional IM wisdom says to look for niches that have some competition, but not necessarily too much competition. So everyone is out there looking for the untapped gold vein in the Google keyword statistics.

But if we inject some traditional views of entrepreneurism into the mix, we find that a business can be just as successful by employing some other strategies as well.

I don't see as many people in IM as true entrepreneurs though.

I see a lot of people scrambling for territories to sell things based on keyword searches in niches.

But there's nothing that really differentiates them from someone else, and there's no barrier to entry in what they do, which keeps forcing the value down at a rapid pace.

What are you doing to transition yourself into a real business?

What the next stage for yourself?

Services? Product development? Software products?

What's your plan to transition away from getting clickbank or google checks to becoming a real business with your own customers?
#entrepreneurism
  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Good ... no, great post .

    I have redirected all my activities for 2010. Going from an affiliate marketer , with a product of my own splashed in occasionally , to a shovel salesman :-)

    In 2010 I will offer ...

    * Free basic coaching

    * Original content packages that range from mrr/plr/ to unique custom packages

    * Full force product lines

    These will have content to promote with ( articles, blog post, ebooks for those type of directories ) , a bait product to build a list with, a series of follow up emails , an original product to sell. Some one owner packages and some as limited mrr/plr packages .

    * Tools needed to make money online

    * Hosting and domain names

    * products, hot reports, and software that pay 100% instant commissions

    All enclosed in one free membership site .

    The main difference in this year and those of days gone by.... I realize I am not going to be able to do all this on my own.

    While the base products and services will be done by me, I hope to fill the voids with warriors who provide services that I can draw from. Profits from the base products and services will be reinvested in warriors willing to do those task.

    I am 41 years old and never punched a time clock. This was accomplished by finding the right people to do various task and paying them well.

    Why I haven't applied this principle to online is a duh moment that has lasted way too long .
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  • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
    Here's what I learned from a certain gentleman about oh, a year ago.

    An entrepreneur is someone who, at length, runs his own business with people he has hired on to run certain aspects of his business. From the lowly clerk to the district manager.

    Most IM'ers are not entrepreneurs in this sense, and might not ever be.

    Personally, I don't see a reason for me personally to delve into hiring someone to work for me full time, ever. But then again, I'm not that big or anything yet. My mind might change should I get to that point, but that is still a long, long way off.

    But, I do like to think about that at times, having my own office space rented, and being able to help my clients out as they call my business line asking for me personally.

    I'll be honest Mike, I'm nowhere near getting myself away from clickbank and google checks (I don't really receive those right now anyways, but I'm going to associate that with the level I'm at). But I am learning to better myself.

    I'm studying marketing via oldschool marketing and copywriting books, going back over my notes from my Intro to Business class and learning what it would take to take someone elses business from their model into something that could double what they make or triple it. I'd like to be a real consultant at some point, not just someone who gets paid to make a website. I'm studying hard and working on that.

    And while I do that, I have my ear to the ground for a regular job (income is income right now, and I am lacking) and working on my web-flipping model.

    I know some will say the market is saturated, but hell, I have fun doing it and there is a real payoff if I get it working properly. Hopefully I will see something from either of those two deals in the next month or so, in fact, I am guaranteeing I will see something from the flipping model here in the next month.

    But for now, I'm just content working as I am. I'm in no position to move myself up into a real business model (in my mind) and that can be something for later when I have completed my studying and started getting regular income and have money saved up.

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    • Profile picture of the author xiaophil
      Thanks for posting this, a fascinating topic, really.

      What prevents many from transitioning to a full-on business, I believe, is the problem of scalability. People often begin by managing the tasks involved in IM single-handed, but scaling up is far from easy I think.

      Outsource it? Well sure, and I agree that the ability to effectively delegate tasks is central to a successful operation as the founder shifts roles to project management and then executive, but delegation also introduces more complexity, risks and administrative overhead.

      In fact, I believe it's this administrative snowball effect that kills it for many, as there often appears to be no smooth and gradual way to ramp-up - instead, the growth process may appear to require step-changes such as hiring staff, leasing offices, IT infrastructure etc etc.

      Even on a smaller scale, things such as moving from shared hosting to VPS to dedicated server as your operation grows can be a nightmare for many people, as they aren't overly technical (and shouldn't need to be), but the vendors are talking another language and how can you outsource something you don't understand?

      There's a bit of a catch 22 there - you need to grow to make the income to hire people, but it's hiring those people that will enable the growth. And that's a step-change - now you also need extra admin - accountancy, legal etc.

      At the core of a successful business is the effective management of resources and workflows. It's fine when things are small and everything fit's in one's head. When things get bigger, it's impossible to keep track of what's going on with what (and who) without having a system in place. Ultimately, I think that's what limits the growth of an operation - because resources that can't be quantified, and hidden processes, can't be controlled.

      The central key to managing scalability, in my opinion, is automation. It's only recently that I have seen integrated systems capable of managing such operations become available at a reasonable cost. Systems that used to be exclusively within the domain of huge corporations are now affordable for small and medium size businesses. These can centralize all of a company's processes and resources, enabling management to get a real-time birds-eye view of the state of the enterprise at any time. Plus, they can scale.

      I am even going to assert that such technologies can enable growth, and here's how I think that can happen. Historically, the kind of systems I am talking about might cost a few million to install and maybe a few more million to customize to the specific target enterprise. In order to be economical, it would have to be serving hundreds or thousands of people or more from the get-go. Those systems are still available today, but there are now other options available too. Here's the kicker: nowadays, a system of similar capability can be installed economically for the use of a single person. It would be a productivity booster too, even for one person. Sure they may start by using just a small part of it, maybe some contact management, bookkeeping, projects, timekeeping, budgeting - things they would have to do anyway - the difference being that now everything is running from a centralized database, and there's no duplication of records or effort like when running multiple separate applications for various things. Probably most importantly of all though - when they are ready, it can scale.

      Usually, slapping new software into an existing enterprise is disruptive, and often only marginally successful, but it was warranted due to the growth of the enterprise. There is now a alternative - install an enterprise ready industrial-strength solution while you're still small, even only one person, and have it smoothly grow and develop alongside your business.

      You can probably tell that I'm excited about this, and I could talk at great length on this topic and why I think it will become the tipping-point of opportunity for modern entrepreneurs.

      I like to eat my own dog food too, so to speak, and am currently running and testing various industrial-grade solutions for my own purposes, the likes of which would have been unheard of even a few years ago. It's really exciting stuff.

      For 2010, I think I will focus on making technology such as this more accessible to people, providing platforms and infrastructure (and friendly interfaces) so they can move forward and concentrate on what they do best.

      Watch this space .

      Happy Holidays everyone.

      Phil.
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

    What's your plan to transition away from getting clickbank or google checks to becoming a real business with your own customers?
    Should a long haul trucking company open their own retail stores?

    Should a billboard company be worried about capturing the address and phone number of everyone who sees their signs?

    There are plenty of "real businesses" where the business model is providing services to other businesses, including providing advertising and promotional services. The important thing to understand though is that you're in the business of providing this service, that is your product. Your product is not toasters, video games or Akron Ohio DUI Lawyers, it's providing advertising/promotional space for other online businesses.
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    • Profile picture of the author miami
      Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

      Should a long haul trucking company open their own retail stores?

      Should a billboard company be worried about capturing the address and phone number of everyone who sees their signs?

      There are plenty of "real businesses" where the business model is providing services to other businesses, including providing advertising and promotional services. The important thing to understand though is that you're in the business of providing this service, that is your product. Your product is not toasters, video games or Akron Ohio DUI Lawyers, it's providing advertising/promotional space for other online businesses.
      IMHO most of the folks who want to earn tons of income selling affiliate products would be much better off going door to door in their local community giving away knowledge to help small businesses compete on the internet. Show them how to do the simplest things like an opt in page and autoresponders.

      Teach them how to blog, write articles (Or have them written) etc.

      Show them what it will do for them.

      Then become the go to person for the ones who want your help. And charge fair prices - ask for referrals.

      This model works but you have to get out into the world and accept some nos to your face. Many people (me included would rather face nos behind a computer as it hurts less!)

      The tools available now make it well worth it to do this even part time...

      Merry Christmas!
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

      There are plenty of "real businesses" where the business model is providing services to other businesses, including providing advertising and promotional services.
      There's rather a difference between a long-haul trucking company and a long-haul trucker.

      The long-haul trucking company is in the business of providing services, and the long-haul trucker is in the business of driving a truck.

      It's really not good for either of them to get confused about what their business is.

      If the company starts thinking its business is to drive trucks, it's not going to provide effective services.

      If the trucker starts thinking his business is to provide services, he's not going to get the truck where it needs to be.

      There's nothing wrong with being the trucker, and there's nothing wrong with being the company. Both of them are honest work for honest pay, and you can be quite successful either way.

      But know which one you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    It just sounds nicer to say "entrepreneur" than "not subservient to others"
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Good post, MH.

    I am one of the lucky ones whose hobby actually does translate into business nicely. While hunting and collecting rocks and gems is an exhilarating and adventurous hobby on it's own - there is always a market for a good find. Expansion of my business is moving toward lapidary. An agate in the raw that would sport a $10 price tag on it's own can often be cut into many wonderful cabachons that can bring $35 - $50 each.
    By growing large followings on a website, that hobby can also translate into planning brick and mortar rockshows which thousands are willing to pay a few bucks a head to get into and many are willing to spring to set up booths - and thereby support the cost of the holding the show, while leaving all other intake as profit.
    Of course, recently I developed a yearly product - one that can be used to gain participation (read anticipation) yearly for the product, and thusly allowing it to advertise itself.

    Of course, I could warehouse relevant tools, too - but in that area I find it just plain easier to continue as an affiliate, at least for now.

    And all this while, my favorite hobby has become a tax deduction.

    Who says you can't have your cake and eat it, too?
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