YouTube video sells for $30 million..

AHartzell

14 years ago

pretty good video :-)

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oldwarrioruser1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by AHartzell

pretty good video :-)

Yeah, he actually has another version WITHOUT all the effects...

Man the work this guy put into this video, well worth it..

YouTube - Panic Attack! NO VFX VERSION (And with...

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NicheMayhem

14 years ago

Simply amazing, 30 million for what? I don't quite get what the 30 million was paid out for, the concept could be easily duplicated in a different way. Don't get me wrong its a good video but holy crap! Perhaps he is heading up the effects or the buzz got studios competing for his attention but man oh man that's kinda crazy.

The music from 28 days later is a gut wrenching track and although the effects are well done, take out the music and it would be far less impressive, IMO.

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TonyDavis

14 years ago

Originally Posted by NicheMayhem

Simply amazing, 30 million for what? I don't quite get what the 30 million was paid out for, the concept could be easily duplicated in a different way. Don't get me wrong its a good video but holy crap! Perhaps he is heading up the effects or the buzz got studios competing for his attention but man oh man that's kinda crazy.

The music from 28 days later is a gut wrenching track and although the effects are well done, take out the music and it would be far less impressive, IMO.

IMO, this movie has already been done in 2005... War of the Worlds! Huge Machines that come through wiping out the human race. Nothing different here!

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TonyDavis

IMO, this movie has already been done in 2005... War of the Worlds! Huge Machines that come through wiping out the human race. Nothing different here!

Tony

The staggering irony of this has made my day. You sir, are hilarious. And I doubt you even know why.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

The staggering irony of this has made my day. You sir, are hilarious. And I doubt you even know why.

OMG...I can't believe he said that Colin.

Yes, the irony is...OMG...too funny.

Another reason why 97% of all Internet marketers don't have a clue LMFAO.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Know what Colin. Forget that this was actually a remake of a 1950s classic.

There have been so many movies with this same, or similar, theme.

1. Earth Versus The Flying Saucers
2. Gorgo
3. Giant Behemoth
4. Independence Day
5. Space Invaders

I could go on and on but what's the point?

Way too funny...way too funny.

Or as Hillary Brooke would say, "Awfully funny...awfully funny"

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Know what Colin. Forget that this was actually a remake of a 1950s classic.

There have been so many movies with this same, or similar, theme.

1. Earth Versus The Flying Saucers
2. Gorgo
3. Giant Behemoth
4. Independence Day
5. Space Invaders

I could go on and on but what's the point?

Way too funny...way too funny.

Or as Hillary Brooke would say, "Awfully funny...awfully funny"

Not only is WotW a remake of a previous movie - that earlier movie was a filming of a radio script based on an earlier novel.

Also, if there's no point making something that's been done before, why is Shrek 4 playing down the street from me along with Twilight 3 and Harry Potter 6, Part 1?

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

Not only is WotW a remake of a previous movie - that earlier movie was a filming of a radio script based on an earlier novel.

Also, if there's no point making something that's been done before, why is Shrek 4 playing down the street from me along with Twilight 3 and Harry Potter 6, Part 1?

I read HG Wells novel when I was in 8th grade (1971)

I bought the Mercury Theater recording the same year.

Yeah, but I wasn't going to go there.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I read HG Wells novel when I was in 8th grade (1971)

I bought the Mercury Theater recording the same year.

Yeah, but I wasn't going to go there.

I figured you knew, but I was just pointing out that not only has it been "done before" - it had been successfully done across multiple media.

And not only is the cinema in the grips of sequel fever, it's really into just flat out remaking stuff.

They're doing Planet of the Apes again. Yeah, AGAIN again.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

I figured you knew, but I was just pointing out that not only has it been "done before" - it had been successfully done across multiple media.

And not only is the cinema in the grips of sequel fever, it's really into just flat out remaking stuff.

They're doing Planet of the Apes again. Yeah, AGAIN again.

Colin, they've been doing everything again since, well, since I can't
remember that far back.

Nothing is really original. You can draw parallels between any two movies
if you look hard enough.

I don't recall where I learned it (so long ago) but there are basically only
a few types of story elements.

Man vs Man
Man vs Circumstances
Man vs Society
Man vs Himself

Man vs Man includes outside forces such as animals and yes, beings from
other planets.

That's all there is Colin. And everything we watch, that is conflict based
is one of those things.

And trust me, all the sub elements have been done...to death.

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Colin Theriot 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Colin, they've been doing everything again since, well, since I can't remember that far back.

Yeah, I know it. I'm only just over 30, and the music that the previous generation to mine loved has gone from sucky, back to cool (when I was in college), then to sucky, and now back to cool again.

My own generation's music is still considered sucky in retrospect, but one day, that old grunge rock is going to be back in style and my possible future daughter is going to be dating a guy wearing dirty flannel and combat boots except in, like, a totally, like ironic way. Y'know? Like... Yeah.

My eye is twitching already.
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- Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Colin Theriot
  
  Y'know? Like... Yeah.
  
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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TonyDavis

IMO, this movie has already been done in 2005... War of the Worlds! Huge Machines that come through wiping out the human race. Nothing different here!

Tony

Thats true and that relates to why he wasn't paid 30 million dollars for the idea as some reported. However its not a small feat to do that kind of work. Most of the effects were pretty solid ( a few not so much) and as I understand it thats what producers saw and wanted to work with. I'm hoping as time goes by and technology advances it will become even cheaper to create films and not need producers with millions of dollars. The real barrier was and is distribution but with extra wideband starting to take hold that will change.

I can tell you that I met some really talented people in film school. There are some tremendous stories waiting to be told in film that aren't getting out there because the business suits just want to copy a format.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Now the copyright thing is just a fact I was pointing out. You can't copyright an idea thats already been done.

You're right in that you can't copyright an idea, but it's not because it might have been done before. An idea is intangible. Only the concrete EXPRESSION of an idea is copyrightable.

For example, you can have two biographers both write about the same subject, and focus on the same events, and they will produce two separate, copywrited works, each of which belongs to the individual authors.

Ccopyright law even makes allowances for works that are specifically derivative, and those works can, themselves be copyrighted.

You're just really, totally wrong with what you think copyright actually is, but you can learn what you don't know at U.S. Copyright Office

And I'm not saying that to be a jerk - if you write for a living, you should know your rights over your own content.

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Soo darn tooting right good for him that he has the opportunity but really the guys with the ideas ought to be paid the good money. You have actors making that amount of money that DOES go into their pocket and the story idea is far more important.

Is it more important though? I don't think the evidence supports that theory.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Most of the effects were pretty solid ( a few not so much)

Can I read one of your screenplays?

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'm hoping as time goes by and technology advances it will become even cheaper to create films and not need producers with millions of dollars.

It will get cheaper, but you already do not need producers with millions of dollars.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The real barrier was and is distribution but with extra wideband starting to take hold that will change.

Widespread broadband is changing the world. Most significant thing since agriculture.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I can tell you that I met some really talented people in film school. There are some tremendous stories waiting to be told in film that aren't getting out there because the business suits just want to copy a format.

Dude, you can keep complaining if you want, but maybe instead you should pay attention to what's actually happening:

With Sequels and Reboots Failing, Hollywood (Finally) Puts Out a Desperate Call for Original Material -- Vulture

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oldwarrioruser1 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

With Sequels and Reboots Failing, Hollywood (Finally) Puts Out a Desperate Call for Original Material -- Vulture

Dude, awesome link.

Makes me even MORE motivated to work on my trailers !!

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- Kevin AKA Hubcap 14 years ago
  
  This wasn't the first time something like this has happened and it won't be the last.
  
  Advances in cameras, computer hardware and software are allowing creative people to "express" themselves all the way to the bank.
  
  There was a similar situation with the guy that created Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow (around 2003)
  
  Here's the clip that got Hollywood's attention
  
  YouTube - Captain Sky Original Short
  
  And here's the trailer for the resultant movie starring Angelina Jolie and Jude Law.
  
  YouTube - Movie Trailer - Sky Captain & The World...
  
  As I said earlier technology is allowing people to do great things. The Red One camera shoots a 4k image and while not being cheap it's no way near the price of a Sony F900 HD Cam (the "standard" of digital movie production) and is cheaper than many DP's second choice the Panasonic Varicam.
  
  Someone mentioned 28 days later. That was shot on a pro-sumer Canon XL1 camcorder.
  
  The "new" trend is shooting on DSLR photo cameras that also happen to shoot beautiful HD video. Cameras like the Canon EOS 5D, 7D and Rebel 2TI are changing how movies are made. These cameras are very affordable and are ushering in a whole new wave of film makers.
  
  This was shot
  Canon Digital Learning Center - Sample EOS 5D Mark II Video: Reverie
  
  with one of these-->Canon 5D
  
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  Mike Anthony 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap
  
  There was a similar situation with the guy that created Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow (around 2003)
  
  Pretty sweet. guy had a terrific eye for directing
  
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

You're right in that you can't copyright an idea, but it's not because it might have been done before. An idea is intangible. Only the concrete EXPRESSION of an idea is copyrightable.

For the purposes of screenwriting a story idea is more than an intangible. It is a concrete expression of an idea. Thats exactly what you pitch when you do get an audience with a potential producer. Despite what you think you CAN copyright that provided the idea is unique enough and you've fleshed it out enough. If its too general then you are out of gas.

Heres just one starter link for how that works

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_treatment

If it has been done before then the attempt to copyright it will fail (or more accurately your attempt to exercise copyright) . Your grasp on copyright as it applies to Screen material is underwhelming although you are of the illusion you can teach on it. You cannot write a derivative of a screenplay and copyright it unless you get permission from the original author. Your biography example is similarly off. The two authors of a biography are not claiming copywright over the actual life story just their telling of it . In that case none of them have copyright over the story itself. Entirely different situation.

Is it more important though? I don't think the evidence supports that theory.

Evidence and even rudimentary common sense supports the idea that when you sit down at a theater what you are engaged in is the story. Actors have a pull effect (people come out to see the actor) but the actual film relies on the story. Without the writer then you would be just going out to see Will Smith do stand up (and even those who do stand use writers or are ones themselves). This is just obvious and why many actors supported the writers strike a few years ago many specifically saying that without writers they would have no work (writers don't always need actors. Lest you object - its called a book). You are just in disagreement mode to object to something so obvious.

It will get cheaper, but you already do not need producers with millions of dollars.

Films for the most part are still distributed by media establishments. I don't think this thread is really the place to teach a noob how the industry works. Yes of course walls are coming down but it has a bit more to go as just about anyone connected to the industry knows. To get a full length movie before millions of viewers it still takes those connections even if you get a break on Youtube - which is exactly what happened in this case in terms of getting the dollars available to him to actually get a full feature made. Sorry but when I see somebody taking offense at such obvious industry truths its kind of pointless. Think what you like. maybe you should make up your mind on what you are accusing me of. First it was that I was against the writer by saying that it was unfortunate that more of the money won't go into his pocket :rolleyes:

and now its your illusion that you understand the industry and screenwriting more.

Incidentally actually read the article you linked to. It both confirms the mentality in Hollywood (which isn't dead after one bad summer. Will take more than that to kill a several decade old mentality but its a good start ) and it confirms that media establishment is very much still in control of what movies you get to see. can you actually use that system to get your story out? Of course. Will still more come out the more things open up even more? Yes. Too obvious to go on.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

This is just obvious and why many actors supported the writers strike a few years ago many specifically saying that without writers they would have no work (writers don't always need actors. Lest you object - its called a book)

I'd like to touch on this point. And I am doing so coming from both a
writing and acting family (Father wrote novels. My great uncle was Charlie
Wagenheim (can find him at IMDB) and my cousin was Jerry Orbach. Yes,
THAT Jerry Orbach.

Sure, a writer can write books. But not everybody is in the "read books"
market. Some people like to watch:

Movies
TV
Stage Plays

All the above take actors. Without the actors, good actors, your words
are just that...words on a page.

I haven't read a book since the Harry Potter series. I'm not a reader. And
I know a ton of people who are not readers but are avid movie goers,
theater goers and TV couch potatoes.

To argue this is almost pointless.

Check the stats for movie attendance, TV ratings and how many people
go to see a show nightly.

Having said that, without the writers, the actors have nothing to say.

And I do mean NOTHING.

Every listen to Daniel Radcliffe on a talk show?

Boring as hell.

Some of these actors, if they didn't have writers putting words in their
mouths, they'd still be waiting tables at Sardi's.

In short, they need each other. And anybody who thinks that one side
is better than the other has a very warped view of this industry.

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oldwarrioruser1 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

and my cousin was Jerry Orbach. Yes,
THAT Jerry Orbach.

So you did have a connection to get your screenplays looked at, right?

You never pitched them to him?

(Not sure how long ago you wrote them)
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- Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago
  
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  So you did have a connection to get your screenplays looked at, right?
  
  You never pitched them to him?
  
  (Not sure how long ago you wrote them)
  
  I was not close to my cousin. In fact, outside of my grandmother's
  family on that side, I don't even think he knew I existed.
  
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  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  I was not close to my cousin. In fact, outside of my grandmother's
  family on that side, I don't even think he knew I existed.
  
  Actually Steve despite our disagreements I think you could probably write a pretty entertaining script. I've seen a couple videos you made and you could be interesting in front of the camera with the right character as well. No joke.
  
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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

In short, they need each other. And anybody who thinks that one side
is better than the other has a very warped view of this industry.

Of course they need each other. Ever looked at a screenplay? It directs actors what to say and what to act. Thats a given the screenwriter lives with daily. However theres nothing warped about claiming the obvious. The actor can't act without something to act. A writer can still entertain you with words without an actor. Thats not to say take one or the other. The medium requires both and in every good film I have seen the story has ALWAYS been the most important element. So theres nothing warped about claiming that the story is most important and thats in the hands of the writer. So Yeah it is unfortunate that the the person with the story often gets such a small piece of the proceeds but I still love it and hope to get a screenplay or two picked up. That was my point before it got skewed.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Of course they need each other. Ever looked at a screenplay? It directs actors what to say and what to act. Thats a given the screenwriter lives with daily. However theres nothing warped about claiming the obvious. The actor can't act without something to act. A writer can still entertain you with words without an actor. Thats not to say take one or the other. The medium requires both and in every good film I have seen the story has ALWAYS been the most important element.

Well, you obviously have a bias towards writers that I'm not going to
change (and I'm a writer) and that's fine. So I'll just bow out of this part
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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

For the purposes of screenwriting a story idea is more than an intangible. It is a concrete expression of an idea. Thats exactly what you pitch when you do get an audience with a potential producer. Despite what you think you CAN copyright that provided the idea is unique enough and you've fleshed it out enough.

Unless you have it in a written format, you can't copyright it. I think you are referring to "idea" as some kind of document, which if you are, we're not talking about the same thing.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

If its too general then you are out of gas. If it has been done before then the attempt to copyright it will fail (or more accurately your attempt to exercise copyright) .

So did they have to pay the people who owned the copyright on War of the Worlds in order to make Mars Attacks? Same idea.

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Your grasp on copyright as it applies to Screen material is underwhelming although you are of the illusion you can teach on it.

There's no such thing as "copyrighting as pertains to screen material" - it's the exact same law that applies to any kind of creative expression.

Also, I never said I could teach it - that's why I linked to the government's copyright law website. Everything I've said is there. Please read it - it's relevant to your work. I implore you that instead of arguing with me and looking stupid, you just go read what I linked you to.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You cannot write a derivative of a screenplay and copyright it unless you get permission from the original author.

Incorrect. Evidence: parody pornography. Parody anything, but especially the porn - they'd put a stop to it (if they could, legally, which they can't).

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Your biography example is similarly off. The two authors of a biography are not claiming copywright over the actual life story just their telling of it . In that case none of them have copyright over the story itself. Entirely different situation.

They are claiming copyright on their actual document. They physical expression. No one said they had copyright over the amorphous "life story" itself (which isn't even a thing that can be copyrighted unless you write it down). My point was, they both have the same "idea" but both have copyrightable works, which you said couldn't happen. It's a fine example for my point. Also, the rights you have to your own story and likeness have nothing to do with copyright. That's a whole different thing.

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Evidence and even rudimentary common sense supports the idea that when you sit down at a theater what you are engaged in is the story.

That might be why YOU go. Lots of people go for different reasons, but at the end of the day, it's a lot to do with the person whose pictures are being taken. The evidence is in the ticket sales, and how they have to do more with who is IN the movie than with who WROTE the movie or what the movie is even ABOUT.

My mom goes to the movies more than I do. She doesn't know what's playing until she gets there, and she picks based on who is in the poster. Her votes count more than mine. I care about story just like you. But it's not more important than who is cast as far as what gets made, and what makes money.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Actors have a pull effect (people come out to see the actor) but the actual film relies on the story. Without the writer then you would be just going out to see Will Smith do stand up (and even those who do stand use writers or are ones themselves).

You're assuming that the people who pay for movies give a rat's ass what happens after you buy the ticket. They don't.

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This is just obvious and why many actors supported the writers strike a few years ago many specifically saying that without writers they would have no work (writers don't always need actors. Lest you object - its called a book). You are just in disagreement mode to object to something so obvious.

Reality TV has stars and no writers. Also, the union is a whole different thing. I bet if Hollywood could have found writers to do the work, they would have hired them. I bet many would have wanted to. Writers are easily replaced and are all the time. When a project loses its star, it usually gets shelved.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Films for the most part are still distributed by media establishments. I don't think this thread is really the place to teach a noob how the industry works. Yes of course walls are coming down but it has a bit more to go as just about anyone connected to the industry knows.

HAHAHA. I never said jack about knowing the film industry. What I DO know about as a professional writer is copyright law as pertains to my work. I advise you learn about it.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

To get a full length movie before millions of viewers it still takes those connections even if you get a break on Youtube - which is exactly what happened in this case in terms of getting the dollars available to him to actually get a full feature made.

He didn't "need" the connections - he MADE them by making the clip. The money came to him.

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Sorry but when I see somebody taking offense at such obvious industry truths its kind of pointless. Think what you like. maybe you should make up your mind on what you are accusing me of. First it was that I was against the writer by saying that it was unfortunate that more of the money won't go into his pocket :rolleyes:

No, it's still because you don't know how copyright works. That's all. I could give a crap about screenwriting as it's got nothing to do with the forum, but when you're wrong about copyright, someone else could get the wrong info.

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and now its your illusion that you understand the industry and screenwriting more.

Nope. The only reason you think I was talking about the "industry" is because you think screenwriting has magical special copywriting laws, but it doesn't. That's all I'm trying to tell you. You're the one getting all upset. It's really just for yours and other's benefit.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Incidentally actually read the article you linked to. It both confirms the mentality in Hollywood (which isn't dead after one bad summer) and it confirms that media establishment is very much still in control of what movies you get to see. can you actually use that system to get your story out? Of course. Will still more come out the more things open up even more? Yes. Too obvious to go on.

I don't understand this last bit at all. Sorry.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

Unless you have it in a written format, you can't copyright it.

Total and absolute rubbish that demonstrates you have no clue. Please stop trying to confuse people that you know what you are talking about. You do NOT need to have it in written format you only have to have it recorded in a tangible medium. that could be video, audio etc.

So did they have to pay the people who owned the copyright on War of the Worlds in order to make Mars Attacks? Same idea.

No Mars attack was a parody of an entire genre of alien invasion. Thats to general to be copyrightable.

Bleh. Look. After reading the above nonsense there is no sense in even continuing a debate with you. You haven't even read your own link and you do not understand copyright or even what constitutes a story idea in the industry. There are no different copyright rules for screenplays but there is a way that a story idea is presented that makes it very tangible and recordable. I gave you a link that spelled it out. What more can be done if you won't learn.

Anyway you've gone from saying I was putting the guys success down to arguing against me thinking he's worthy of more dollars in his own pocket. No rationality so theres nothing more to say.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Total and absolute rubbish that demonstrates you have no clue. Please stop trying to confuse people that you know what you are talking about. You do NOT need to have it in written format you only have to have it recorded in a tangible medium. that could be video, audio etc.

I misspoke - not written, but recorded. The point I was getting at is that you can't copyright an idea that's not recorded in some way. Even the link you gave me for film treatment proves my point - it says it's typically prose. That's written. It's in a tangible form.

I think our whole disagreement comes from the fact that when I say you can't copyright an "idea" I mean the intangible-exists-only-in-your-brain kind. When you said you can copyright an "idea", what you meant was apparently a film treatment. Which is a written expression of an idea, so we actually agree.

Correct?

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No Mars attack was a parody of an entire genre of alien invasion. Thats to general to be copyrightable.

I dunno - it had some broad pastiche elements, but they were from mars, drove giant robots, had ray guns, ended up getting wiped out by something innocuous to humans. But my point was that you can copyright different expressions of the same idea. It can be very very similar in the case of direct parody.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Bleh. Look. After reading the above nonsense there is no sense in even continuing a debate with you. You haven't even read your own link and you do not understand copyright or even what constitutes a story idea in the industry.

You're the one who keeps talking about the "industry" - film's just like anything else an "idea" as in an inside-your-head idea is not copyrightable. It has to be put into a tangible physical format, which you call an "idea".

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

There are no different copyright rules for screenplays but there is a way that a story idea is presented that makes it very tangible and recordable. I gave you a link that spelled it out. What more can be done if you won't learn.

No, I get it now. When you say "idea" you don't mean to use the actual definition of the word "idea" - you mean a document of a story idea as used in the film industry. You're quite the wordsmith, I tell you.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Anyway you've gone from saying I was putting the guys success down to arguing against me thinking he's worthy of more dollars in his own pocket. No rationality so theres nothing more to say.

I just like to argue with people who like to use their own definitions of words I guess. Seems to happen to me a lot.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

You're the one who keeps talking about the "industry" - film's just like anything else an "idea" as in an inside-your-head idea is not copyrightable. It has to be put into a tangible physical format, which you call an "idea".

You still at this?

Anyway. You are right. This entire thread has been about ideas that you have in your head that stay there :rolleyes:. Had nothing to do with a video which IS a tangible physical format - Nothing to do with film making or what filmmakers refer to when they present a story IDEA.

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14 years ago

Awesome video....hmmm...Around $300 and he's already making something like that.....can't imagine if he had more...

Kinda reminds me of War or the Worlds fused with Sky Captain...

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oldwarrioruser1

14 years ago

$30 million to implement his idea into a motion picture.. I wonder is he is going to direct it or not.

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14 years ago

Damn, I thought his post was about some one who sold their youtube video/channel for 30 mill and was getting really excited

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oldwarrioruser1 14 years ago

Originally Posted by birdfood

Damn, I thought his post was about some one who sold their youtube video/channel for 30 mill and was getting really excited

I'll be there one day
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14 years ago

Pretty nice video for sure. I hope it worked out for him!

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14 years ago

They paid 30 million for the rights to the idea, which is technically copyrighted intellectual property once it's online. So, who wants to make a youtube movie with me? :-p

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ArticlePrince

They paid 30 million for the rights to the idea, which is technically copyrighted intellectual property once it's online. So, who wants to make a youtube movie with me? :-p

What idea.....that space invaders attack earth? Good luck copyrighting that idea....even if ideas were copyrightable.

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Colin Theriot 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

What idea.....that space invaders attack earth? Good luck copyrighting that idea....even if ideas were copyrightable.

The concrete expression of ideas is indeed copyrightable. But that's beside the point - what the clip proves is competency required to execute spectacular results on a small budget with few resources.

That's more valuable in Hollywood than anything else. Kevin Smith will be allowed to make terrible flops forever because his movies are shot cheaply and on time. They always make money relative to how much they cost to make.

Consider Transformers 1 & 2 are among the top-grossing movies recently, both also among the most expensive. This tiny clip shows more style and scale and has me MORE interested than either of those, even with nostalgia included (I had Optimus Prime underoos!)

The content chosen is brilliant because it shows a vast degree of talent and skill for a particular aptitude in an incredibly small package.
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  That's more valuable in Hollywood than anything else.
  
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GuerrillaIM

14 years ago

I doubt he managed to make that for $300 without some serious favours.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

I doubt he managed to make that for $300 without some serious favours.

That $300 isn't including the software he used...

Since he used 3Dmax - $3,495
FumeFx - $845
Glu3d - $495
Photoshop - $700
Premiere - $800

Like the guy above said... $300 was for the food he bought for everyone

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14 years ago

Simply amazing. Reminds me of Transformers.

I wonder what they turned this trailer into, if anything.

And anybody who thinks THAT is no impressive needs to have their heads
thoroughly examined.

If I could do THAT, I wouldn't be selling ebooks...THAT'S for sure.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If I could do THAT, I wouldn't be selling ebooks...THAT'S for sure.

Yeah, me and a few of my friends are aspiring comedians/actors..

That gave us an idea..

Instead of just making stupid videos people can laugh at, we should actually plot out some story lines and make LEGIT looking movie trailers...

I'm a whiz with video editing so I could make it look professional..

It'd show off our creativeness, acting ability, etc..

Perhaps we could sell one of our ideas? Lol

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

Yeah, me and a few of my friends are aspiring comedians/actors..

That gave us an idea..

Instead of just making stupid videos people can laugh at, we should actually plot out some story lines and make LEGIT looking movie trailers...

I'm a whiz with video editing so I could make it look professional..

It'd show off our creativeness, acting ability, etc..

Perhaps we could sell one of our ideas? Lol

Well, I could definitely write the screenplay. I wrote a daytime drama
script for the University of Miami. I wrote 6 years worth of daily episodes.

Plus, I've written TV sitcom scripts and novels.

I have no doubt that I could pull this off on the writing level. As far as
the effects, not a prayer in hell.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Well, I could definitely write the screenplay. I wrote a daytime drama
script for the University of Miami. I wrote 6 years worth of daily episodes.

Plus, I've written TV sitcom scripts and novels.

I have no doubt that I could pull this off on the writing level. As far as
the effects, not a prayer in hell.

Ahh I like writing too.. To be honest, Internet Marketing was just a way for me to try and make some money so I could buy professional studio equipment!

Wouldn't really need you to write out a screenplay, just bits and pieces to make an interesting trailer

If you got some awesome ideas (preferably comedy) hit me up sometime with a PM..

I can do comedy/drama with no problem.. Once I get some better software, I can start working on some action stuff with explosions and things...

Might be awhile before I'm on the same level as Mr. Scifi up there ^^ lol

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

Ahh I like writing too.. To be honest, Internet Marketing was just a way for me to try and make some money so I could buy professional studio equipment!

Wouldn't really need you to write out a screenplay, just bits and pieces to make an interesting trailer

If you got some awesome ideas (preferably comedy) hit me up sometime with a PM..

I can do comedy/drama with no problem.. Once I get some better software, I can start working on some action stuff with explosions and things...

Might be awhile before I'm on the same level as Mr. Scifi up there ^^ lol

I wrote 23 episodes for a potential TV sitcom called Hi-Tech Inc. I
think it's very funny. If you want, I can send you a PDF version of one
of the scripts...watermarked of course.

If you think we could do something with it graphically to give it some
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I wrote 23 episodes for a potential TV sitcom called Hi-Tech Inc. I
think it's very funny. If you want, I can send you a PDF version of one
of the scripts...watermarked of course.

If you think we could do something with it graphically to give it some
appeal, go for it.

PM me an episode

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Originally Posted by korypearman

PM me an episode

You'll have to give me your email address. You can PM it to me and I'll send
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ozduc

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I wrote 23 episodes for a potential TV sitcom called Hi-Tech Inc. I
think it's very funny. If you want, I can send you a PDF version of one
of the scripts...watermarked of course.

Steve, what ever happened to the sitcom? Did you pitch it or did it get airplay at all?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ozduc

Steve, what ever happened to the sitcom? Did you pitch it or did it get airplay at all?

I haven't pitched it yet. I don't have the ties in the industry to do it
justice. If I had an in, yeah. But I don't.

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Chris Worner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I haven't pitched it yet. I don't have the ties in the industry to do it
justice. If I had an in, yeah. But I don't.

Have you tried joining the Writers Guild of America? Then find a literary agent?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

Have you tried joining the Writers Guild of America? Then find a literary agent?

Chris

Everybody does that. It's meaningless. In this business, you need an in.

Trust me, I've been in the entertainment industry my whole life.

It sucks.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

Yeah, me and a few of my friends are aspiring comedians/actors..

That gave us an idea..

Instead of just making stupid videos people can laugh at, we should actually plot out some story lines and make LEGIT looking movie trailers...

I'm a whiz with video editing so I could make it look professional..

It'd show off our creativeness, acting ability, etc..

Perhaps we could sell one of our ideas? Lol

You know "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia"? That show got sold based on those guys creating the premise and filming a pilot on digicam for fun.

You are actually latching onto the right idea here because you notice how when comedians land a show, it's not a show of them telling jokes as themselves? It's character driven. It's situational. Do that. For sure.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

You know "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia"? That show got sold based on those guys creating the premise and filming a pilot on digicam for fun.

You are actually latching onto the right idea here because you notice how when comedians land a show, it's not a show of them telling jokes as themselves? It's character driven. It's situational. Do that. For sure.

Good idea!

Thanks for the inspiration man!

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Originally Posted by skyfox7

Have you tried joining the Writers Guild of America? Then find a literary agent?

Chris

You can not "just join" the writers guild. As with all the guilds or unions in the entertainment industry, you have to have experience in the field. How much, depends on the guild or union. For writers you have to have published and produced scripts within the Guild's jurisdiction and with a "signatory" company. It's not as easy as just paying your $2500 joining fee.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Simply amazing. Reminds me of Transformers.

I wonder what they turned this trailer into, if anything.

And anybody who thinks THAT is no impressive needs to have their heads
thoroughly examined.

If I could do THAT, I wouldn't be selling ebooks...THAT'S for sure.

i'd probably sell an ebook -- or even better a physical book if i made it happen hehe.

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GuerrillaIM

14 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

That $300 isn't including the software he used...

Since he used 3Dmax - $3,495
FumeFx - $845
Glu3d - $495
Photoshop - $700
Premiere - $800

Like the guy above said... $300 was for the food he bought for everyone

Pretty amazing quality he managed to get from them

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

That $300 isn't including the software he used...

Since he used 3Dmax - $3,495
FumeFx - $845
Glu3d - $495
Photoshop - $700
Premiere - $800

Like the guy above said... $300 was for the food he bought for everyone

Yeah but all those software costs are actually $0...in South America everyone has pirated copies of everything. The only ones who buy software are companies. I know because I live here.

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John Atkins

14 years ago

If I remember correctly the music is from some zombie film. I believe
it was called 28 days later, or 28 weeks later. Awesome music.

Th vid is pretty good as well considering that it was created by
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Teddyg1989

14 years ago

Welp time for me to brain storm some movie ideas lets do it warriors lol Make a movie about Marketing

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14 years ago

WOW! that's really wonderful!

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Arcana Media

14 years ago

I wonder what that 30 million is specifically for... maybe a $30 million budget to produce a full length SciFi movie? I can't see them giving this amateur $30 million just for the rights for a movie about robots attacking a city...

Although this short video is quite good, Science Fiction movies about robots or monsters attacking cities are almost as old as movies themselves. Godzilla and his assorted robot/giant bug/monster villains must have attacked or fought over Tokyo a dozen times alone!

And to be honest, I've seen countless amateur scifi videos on Youtube that approach or equal (or even exceed) this one. Creating realistic special effects is not as difficult for amateurs now as it was 10 or 20 years ago. For instance there are Star Trek & Star Wars fan movies that approach and are even better than the SFX of the originals. (including the latest films)

I think Raimi is hoping lightning strikes twice and he'll get results like Peter Jackson did when he latched onto the guy who created an amautur short that eventuallly developed into 'District 9' under his wing.

But either way, cool story.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Arcana Media

I wonder what that 30 million is specifically for... maybe a $30 million budget to produce a full length SciFi movie? I can't see them giving this amateur $30 million just for the rights for a movie about robots attacking a city...

Right. It's a 30 million budget to shoot a movie, not for the rights. It's basically the same thing that happened with District 9. They guy did a short film first and he was given 30 million to do District 9.

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14 years ago

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Don Schenk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

I did a quick search and didn't come across anything related to this..

This is OLD, but my friend just brought it up again and I thought it might make for a good discussion..

I found the story at Wikipedia.

Young film makers get exposure through film festivals. Once it won an award the maker up loaded it to YouTube.

The story is here:

Ataque de Pánico! - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Schenk

I found the story at Wikipedia.

Young film makers get exposure through film festivals. Once it won an award the maker up loaded it to YouTube.

The story is here:

Ataque de Pánico! - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!

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Awesome, nice find Don.

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14 years ago

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oldwarrioruser1

14 years ago

Yeah, it sounds as if they gave him a $30 million budget to turn his idea into a motion picture.

Still an outstanding accomplishment for a YouTube video.

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Midas3 Consulting

14 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

I'm kind of curious... Can you even copyright a video like that? What stops movie producers from just taking the "idea" and making their movie?

It's probably possible they could but there's plenty of cases whereby
intellectual property rights and stolen "ideas" come to bite folks who
take advantage of others work.

The fact it has a proven date of creation etc negates the studio saying
they had the idea first unless they can prove it.

They probably figured, screw it, we can do this the right way.

I don't know the entire story about the $30million but it could be based
on revenue share, global distribution rights, and so on as opposed to
a hat full of cash.

Robot type stuff goes big on merchandise, I don't know the numbers
but one would guess $30m globally on toys alone wouldn't be that
strange.

Does seem quite a considerable sum for the premise baring in mind
some movies don't even make that, I guess they saw "blockbuster"
written on it, he has however already put together a lot of the
concept art, they might even use a lot of it, the robots for example
"as is".

Have to hand it to the guy, it's exceptionally brilliant for what
appears to be a home based studio type creation on limited
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TheDebtEliminator

14 years ago

This guy is either unconscious lucky, or the genius of the century.

If he wants apart on the Next one, I'll put up $150 ... then we can share the profits.

This is better than doing a product launch, and charging $2000.

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Jamian

14 years ago

nice concept, 30 million that's enough money to make big business.

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Oh one more thing.

Somebody asked if you can make a video go viral.

Do something this good and the answer is yes.
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14 years ago

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14 years ago

Wo, great effects! I seriously can't believe it was all done for just $300.

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mainstreetcm

14 years ago

Was really surprised to see this here. lol. This has been a major discussion on some other boards I frequent for awhile now. I too want to be in entertainment, have written a lot of stuff, but I gotta agree with Steven--if you don't know anybody you don't have a snow balls chance in hell.

Sure there are alot of independents out there (George Lucas is the most successful independent producer) but the major film festivals are now controlled by the studios. I hope the producer/director of this piece brings everyone who helped out when he makes it to the dance.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mainstreetcm

but I gotta agree with Steven--if you don't know anybody you don't have a snow balls chance in hell.

Especially if you don't ever do anything because you let that stop you from doing it anyway. If it's what you want to do, write a script, film it with your friends. Worked for Kevin Smith.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

Especially if you don't ever do anything because you let that stop you from doing it anyway. If it's what you want to do, write a script, film it with your friends. Worked for Kevin Smith.

Yeah he is write, you gotta make our own way.

I know this isn't MOVIE related, but this kid named Drake.

Hip-Hop singer/rapper.. 23 years old...

Released a mixtape (which is a sample of his own music for those who don't know)..

This kid topped all the charts with his MIXTAPE.. He got picked up by one of the biggest record labels and now he is no doubt the #1 artist in his genre.

He made his own way.

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Alican Yenidogan 14 years ago

I really don't believe that people comment like "Can't believe he did this for only $300". It isn't only $300. It is years of learning and improving, hours of crafting and ONLY $300. People spend ages to master on something and months to create a 5 minute video.
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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Unfortunately script writers do not get paid $30 million dollars and neither did this guy The 30 million is to produce a film. It doesn't just go into his pocket. Even producers get their money on the backend not a $30 million dollar advance. The only thing copyrightable is his actual robot look. War of the World already had robots walking through a city

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Unfortunately script writers do not get paid $30 million dollars and neither did this guy The 30 million is to produce a film. It doesn't just go into his pocket. Even producers get their money on the backend not a $30 million dollar advance. The only thing copyrightable is his actual robot look. War of the World already had robots walking through a city

So because he doesn't pocket $30 million, so what? He's got a career-making opportunity and a budget they don't normally give to fledgling directors BECAUSE special effects get expensive without experience.

He already proved he's got chops beyond most working directors.

Because Robert Rodriguez didn't get $30mil in his pocket when he got to make Desperado on the success of El Mariachi...

That didn't lead to the fact that he films feature films that star his kids in his own house in the studio he built there (Spy Kids)? He made Sin City most recently, and produced it too. He probably made a lot of money off of that. Probably approaching 10s of millions.

Because Guillermo Del Toro didn't get a huge budget to film Mimic and then Blade 2 based on the strength of mexican films like Cronos...

He built a special effects studio so he could MAKE his own movies, and he went on to make Pan's Labyrinth for critical acclaim, then Hellboy to blockbuster ticket stubs.

Like they didn't give a bunch of money to Peter Jackson to make the Frighteners after he made cheaper films in his own country. That one even FLOPPED, but he went on to do Lord of the Rings anyway.

But you know, they didn't make no $30 million straight in their pocket with their first movie deal they ever made based on a 5 minute clip... So I guess it doesn't count?

Not sure what your point is. Look at it like he was given $30 million to invest in his DREAM, his PRODUCT. That's because it has the potential to earn back more than that investment. Who cares if it's money in his personal pocket at this point.

The key is having the money to play with to make a better product.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

So because he doesn't pocket $30 million, so what? He's got a career-making opportunity and a budget they don't normally give to fledgling directors BECAUSE special effects get expensive without experience.

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The key is having the money to play with to make a better product.

Colin, not that I have to explain it to you, because you already know this,
but I'll do it anyway because some people here need to hear it.

Some people will do anything to find the negative in something like this.

Why?

Because they are jealous.

Jealous because they can't make the money they want to make.

Jealous because they don't understand how others make the money
they make.

Jealous because their lives are miserable.

In short...just plain jealous.

It's called human nature for a lot of folks in this world.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

So because he doesn't pocket $30 million, so what? He's got a career-making opportunity and a budget they don't normally give to fledgling directors BECAUSE special effects get expensive without experience.

He already proved he's got chops beyond most working directors.

LOL. This place is so funny at times. I wasn't putting the guy down. As a part time script writer with some background in film I actually said straight out that it was unfortunate (there in black and white) that writers don't get paid the big money. You read that entirely wrong (and then Steven jumps in for extra hilarity to ge it wrong and do psychoanalysis based on being wrong. Too much fun

). Now the copyright thing is just a fact I was pointing out. You can't copyright an idea thats already been done.

Soo darn tooting right good for him that he has the opportunity but really the guys with the ideas ought to be paid the good money. You have actors making that amount of money that DOES go into their pocket and the story idea is far more important.

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oldwarrioruser1

14 years ago

Yeah no doubt man.. you guys are making it sound like it's a bad deal because it wasn't pocket money...

This guy gets to make his own movie now, can't get any better....

Doesn't matter if it flops or not.

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Frank Murphy 14 years ago

Looks like something out of a Terminator movie! lol..But I guess it is true..The Uruguayans really take great pride in producing their films. Excellent stuff!
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quickcashstrategy

Banned 14 years ago

it's awesome video!! I like it so much!

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khanhdom

14 years ago

wow that's incredible

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Jonathan Denney

14 years ago

It's so weird how all these "end of the world" movies get so much attention.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

I know this isn't MOVIE related, but this kid named Drake.

Yeah, that Bieber kid that's all over was a Youtube hobby singer and ended up having Usher and Justin Timberlake get into a bidding war over who was going to sign and mentor him.

All it took was doing what you're naturally good at until you're awesome, and showing it to other people. The internet allows ANYONE to build their own fanbase if they want to. ANYONE.

Originally Posted by Jonathan Denney

It's so weird how all these "end of the world" movies get so much attention.

We've been longing for the end since the beginning. What I think is telling is how in ancient times, the end of the world scenarios were floods, earthquakes, volcanoes. Now, we know that the world is large enough that those catastrophes are localized. It won't kill all of us.

So we look to bigger and badder disasters - climate change, space rocks, aliens, super-plagues, US. To have that apocalyptic appeal, it's got to kill us all.

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oldwarrioruser1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

Yeah, that Bieber kid that's all over was a Youtube hobby singer and ended up having Usher and Justin Timberlake get into a bidding war over who was going to sign and mentor him.

All it took was doing what you're naturally good at until you're awesome, and showing it to other people. The internet allows ANYONE to build their own fanbase if they want to. ANYONE.

Yup, Bieber uploaded him singing at his talent show so that he could show his family in a different state. (Since they couldn't make it, but wanted to see him perform) And the right people seen it... (Watched a documentary on him)

And just like that.. it happened...

People LIKE to think it's impossible to do something great.. so that they can have an excuse at the end of the day..

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The-English-Webmistress

14 years ago

LOVE this!

It just goes to show you... originality, detail and hard work can still create a new phenomenon online that will be rewarded.

Good for him!

Andrea, the English Webmistress

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Toby.T

14 years ago

I watch it and thought it was ok, i guess this thread did hype it..and I watched on my phone with no sound = my point invalid.

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oldwarrioruser1

14 years ago

I write, produce, direct & act!!

IMA YOUTUBER!

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oldwarrioruser1

14 years ago

Dude... I drool over RED / Index.

So freaking beautiful!

I don't know much about cameras, even though I really should know...

With a limited budget, what do you think I should use? Perhaps $1k or less for starting out..

Right now I have a little JVC Everio

(Checking out all the cameras you posted after posting this)

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Kevin AKA Hubcap

14 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

Dude... I drool over RED / Index.

So freaking beautiful!

I don't know much about cameras, even though I really should know...

With a limited budget, what do you think I should use? Perhaps $1k or less for starting out..

Right now I have a little JVC Everio

(Checking out all the cameras you posted after posting this)

It all depends on what type of videos you plan on shooting/producing but don't feel that you need to run out and buy a camera. Use what you have and concentrate on the basics such as framing a scene, lighting (which is one of the most important aspects to film making) and capturing good audio.

If you don't plan on shooting a lot of handheld material the Canon Rebel T2I is a great camera to have. It has its limitations but you can work around them. The DV Show has a great intro to shooting with DSLR cameras.

I don't have any experience with the Everio but for any camera you're going to want the ability to use an external microphone.

The most important thing is to shoot and shoot some more. Get some experience under your belt and you'll have a better understanding of what works for you and what doesn't. A skilled film maker can produce remarkable results with "inferior" cameras.

Kevin

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christomax

14 years ago

This guy has some serious tallent if he can do this with 300 dollars :O i need to learn from him XD

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GopalG 14 years ago

Wonderful Video.. If you have the talent to create videos like this, then sky is the limit.. Hats off to this masterpiece video
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JustinDupre

14 years ago

Great video and very inspirational story. I agree... He might spent more than $300 but seeing what will unfold with his idea will be priceless

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Vishal Burns

14 years ago

Nice video....So is he working on only 1 move or many?