Im confused... Dedicated ips, Private Name Servers?

by Ashley Gable

Posted: 14 years ago 10 replies

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Hi all,

I am moving hosts for the first time and want to do everything right, I am quite worried about the whole thing! I am on shared hosting currently and am moving to a shared hosting (reseller plan).

I read that being on the same IP as spam and scam sites can be dangerous as your sites can get chucked in with those sites when it comes to blocking or whatever.

So I want to do it right and get whatever it is I need to be as secure and protected as possible.But I am getting quite confused. Does the dedicated ip come into play with the actual hosting or the domain?

I am going to keep my domains registered with my current host so I dont have to pay $200 to transfer them. Is the dedicated IP something I talk to them about, or my new hosting provider?

The new hosting I am getting comes with Private Name Servers, is that the same as a dedicated IP?

By the way, I dont know if this matters, but I use anonymous hosting providers, now dont get the wrong idea, I dont host anything illegal or even close to being illegal. They are just normal sites, mini sites mostly with my products being sold. I just cannot come to the conclusion that it is safe to scan and send my id etc over the internet! Which I encountered when I tried to host with lunarpages.

I noticed that a lot of the sites hosted by the new host are in fact shady looking sites, some arent though. That is why I want to be 100% (or close) safe.

Could someone just explain to me about dedicated IP's, private name servers? I know I need to point my domains to the new nameservers, and transfer my files to the new host. But that is about it!

I hope someone can give me a hand in figuring it all out

Ashley

#confused #dedicated #ips #private #servers

dvduval

14 years ago

the IP address is generally can be assigned to just the domain, and even your current host could help you with that. Private nameservers would be something like NS1.YOURDOMAIN.COM and it can be a good thing. It just requires one extra step at your registrar, but is easy to do.

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Ashley Gable

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dvduval

Okay, so I should speak to my current hosts, the ones who are keeping my domains, about the dedicated ip and nameservers?

So it doesnt matter if my files are hosted with a provider with scam sites, it matters where my domains are being kept?

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WebKing2

14 years ago

I have just joined the forum. So, let me welcome myself first. Thanks.

Regarding your question, let us understand why are you considering reseller hosting? and how many sites are you going to host, [allowed to host]?

It doesn't really matter where your domains are hosted. But where your files are hosted and who is controlling your email routing does matter.
In shared and reseller hosting the IP is shared with all the accounts hosted on the server. So if there are scammers then the the chances are high that IP get blacklisted frequently. Ultimately genuine clients also suffered - such as non-delivery of emails etc.

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Chris Grable

14 years ago

Who wants to charge you $200 to transfer what...? Your domains...? How many?

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Ashley Gable

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WebKing2

Hi, thanks for stopping by.

I am not actually going to be reselling anything. But that plan comes out as the most bang for your buck because I have 14 domains, 8 others I manage and more on the way. But they are all family sites, people I know. So I am not reselling, just helping out.

The reseller plan was the most affordable when I factored in domains allowed, transfer etc.

Thanks for clearing up the IP issue though, I will talk to my new host about it. I just want all my sites under the same IP, if they are going to be on the same IP anyway under shared hosting, I might as well just have my sites on there and no others. I dont link my sites together so I am not bothered about anything bad there.

Originally Posted by Chris Grable

Who wants to charge you $200 to transfer what...? Your domains...? How many?

Well I thought that I had to transfer the domain names to my new provider. I didnt know that you could have them registered somewhere else and have your hosting somewhere else.

So they were initially going to charge me $184 to transfer my 14 domains to them.

Now I am just keeping them with my old host and saving that money, which is awesome.

Ashley

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Blogmudgeon 14 years ago

If the scenario you pose is true--that you are simply hosting sites that are "personal" in that you or someone close to you controls the content and purpose--they there is no rational reason to move to a reseller account.

Consider this. In such a deployment, each "client" is delivered their own cPanel. Do they need that--and how much complication is this going to add to your admin duties? The short answer is more than now with no benefits. Additionally, those "clients" under your reseller plan are generally not eligible to receive direct support from the host--you just took that role on.

Dedicated IP addresses have their place. But unless you get one for every domain you hold--you are going to be responsible for routing all of the add on domains that exist under that IP. A similar issue exists for private nameservers. Usually these two things are used in conjunction with a Virtual Private Server [VPS], Dedicated Server, or Windows hosting. There is not really anything to be gained having either for shared services.

In that there is found a more elegant solution for such things as .asp and Cold Fusion type sites--and anything that uses something different from lightweight databases such as MySQL or postgreSQL. This might include mapping to MSSQL/Oracle/Paradox databases, or utilizing SQL/XML interchanges. Way beyond your needs. KISS--keep it simple stupid...

It sounds to me like you have the wrong host and registrar. After many experiences over the last 14 years (including running my own servers) I chose Hostgator for hosting, and GoDaddy for domain names. Take a look at their Croc plans. Best versatility and support for the price.

P.S. Anyone that wants to charge you to transfer domain names is ripping you off--and possibly violating the law. Transfer them to GoDaddy yourself (they will help you) and get a free year on each of them...
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Josh Spaulding

14 years ago

You don't need dedicated IP's for your sites. The only benefit is it may give you a slight SE boost by linking them together, but that's contraversial.

In regards to spamming/porn/bad sites being hosted on the same server, not an issue. Matt Cutts confirms here http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleWe.../9/AsSwqo16C8s

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Ashley Gable

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Blogmudgeon

If the scenario you pose is true--that you are simply hosting sites that are "personal" in that you or someone close to you controls the content and purpose--they there is no rational reason to move to a reseller account.

Consider this. In such a deployment, each "client" is delivered their own cPanel. Do they need that--and how much complication is this going to add to your admin duties? The short answer is more than now with no benefits. Additionally, those "clients" under your reseller plan are generally not eligible to receive direct support from the host--you just took that role on.

Dedicated IP addresses have their place. But unless you get one for every domain you hold--you are going to be responsible for routing all of the add on domains that exist under that IP. A similar issue exists for private nameservers. Usually these two things are used in conjunction with a Virtual Private Server [VPS], Dedicated Server, or Windows hosting. There is not really anything to be gained having either for shared services.

In that there is found a more elegant solution for such things as .asp and Cold Fusion type sites--and anything that uses something different from lightweight databases such as MySQL or postgreSQL. This might include mapping to MSSQL/Oracle/Paradox databases, or utilizing SQL/XML interchanges. Way beyond your needs. KISS--keep it simple stupid...

It sounds to me like you have the wrong host and registrar. After many experiences over the last 14 years (including running my own servers) I chose Hostgator for hosting, and GoDaddy for domain names. Take a look at their Croc plans. Best versatility and support for the price.

P.S. Anyone that wants to charge you to transfer domain names is ripping you off--and possibly violating the law. Transfer them to GoDaddy yourself (they will help you) and get a free year on each of them...

Thanks for the in depth reply, I get what you mean about added tasks and responsibility.

But I hadnt actually thought of giving them their own cpanel account. I was just going to use the one with all them in.

As I said it is the plan that best fits my needs, the others fell short and would require two or more packages to host the sites.

So the reseller plan was just a real big plan that allowed for all the sites to be in it, and at a much more affordable price. I would be spending a lot more to host them in the personal type plans. The host suggested it as well, noting the savings.

What exactly goes into managing multiple cpanel account though, say if I did want to give them separate accounts? (It comes with WHM)

I also dont mind asking the host questions in regards to other sites, I do it now at my current host. The sites that arent mine are my dads, brothers and my friends. They are all wordpress blogs, so they just handle everything from within wordpress.

But you did bring up a good question for me to ask them; will I have access to support! I didnt really think of that, that is a must because I am no expert

As for the charging of transfering domains, godaddy does the same thing, hostgator doesnt. But you can go here to see godaddy's transfer page: Domain Transfer - Fast, Automated, Risk-Free Domain Transfers

They charge 7.49 to transfer a domain, quite a lot cheaper than what they wanted to charge me, but charging nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Josh Spaulding

Thats great to hear! It was going to cost an extra $6 per month for a dedicated IP, not much but it still adds up.

Thanks for the heads up.

Ashley

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MightyWarrior

14 years ago

Originally Posted by AshleyAA

Ashley

WoW... there's no reason to use a reseller account at all, and
all of your domains can share the same IP on any box. The real
question is do you want anybody ELSE sharing that same IP?

The domain is not assigned to you by your host... you purchase
your domain(s) through registrar(s) [in most cases your host IS
a registrar]. Nobody owns a domain name... they are leased.

In some cases your hosting company will purchase a domain
name for you. This domain (in almost all cases) is assigned
to you [you are the leasee/renter]!

When a host is setting up a server, most setups require that a
domain be assigned during setup -- this is not always the case.

In ALL cases, however, an IP IS required to be assigned to the
setup/box. This IP can either be dedicated or shared, AND the
person setting up the account makes that decision.

Pointing the domain to a DNS using the Registrar[ManageDomains],
or through your cPanel[DomainManager] is the first step in getting
an IP assigned to your domain.

[
After your domain is assigned a DNS (usually 2 nameservers), only
then can you assigned an IP to your domain. You assign the IP to
your domain by either Parking or assigning the domain as an Add-On.

If you are purchase hosting and the hosting company is giving you
a FREE domain (of your choice), then this is already done for you
and the FREE domain name will already be PARKED as the main
domain for the box/account and the IP of the box/account is already
assigned to the Main PARKED (root)domain!
]

Parked vs. Add-On simply means this... If the domain is parked,
then the parked domain shares the same folder as your Main(root)
domain and is pointed to the folder public_html...

AND if your domain is assigned to your account as an Add-On, then
it has it's own folder(s) somewhere within public_html/{folder(s)}.

When you park or add your domain to the box/server, that IP is
what is assigned to your domain name. You can usually set up
a private name server at any time, but now is when I would do
this, if this is what you want to do. Be sure to assign your new
private name servers to the box dns ips if this is what you want
to do, otherwise your domain(s) won't be pointed to the correct
box/server.

Once the domain is assigned to the box (either parked or add-on),
NOW is when a reverse IP entry is usually done to improve SEO. If
the IP is SHARED, this won't make any difference [you don't score
any SEO points if the IP your domain name is using is shared].

Some final points for you noobs... PAY ATTENTION TO THIS...

YOU NEVER HAVE TO TRANSFER YOUR DOMAIN(S) WHEN YOU ARE
CHANGING HOSTING PLANS (only to extend the time that you will
have your domain names available to you [you are renting them...
don't pay your rent and you lose them]).

SIMPLY POINT YOUR DOMAINS TO THE DNS WHERE YOUR SITE(S)
ARE BEING HOSTED AND YOU ARE GOOD TO GO!!! Then go in and
add them to your box/account as Parked or Add-Ons.

DON'T PAY ANY TRANSFER FEES WHEN YOU CHANGE HOSTING!!!

NEVER, NEVER, EVER! This is often misunderstood and not required,
and a good hosting company will tell you this! Only scammy registrars
will require that you do this, because after your domain expires,
EVEN IF ONLY BY 1 DAY... the Registrar can charge you a reinstatement fee

and sometimes this late/reinstatement fee can be hundreds of $...
and SOME registrars will take full control of your domain name and
resell it, even if you are one day late (this has been changed to a
longer period of time to try and protect you, but registrars are even
taking advantage of this too)

-- SO BE LEERY OF ANYONE WHO TRIES
TO FORCE YOU TO CHANGE REGISTRARS!!!!!

GoDaddy HAS been involved in taking possession of a few domains in the
past and also will charge extra if you are late in re-registering (extending)
your domain... BlueHost/HostMonster will charge $70... eNom, I didn't see
any additional charges.

NameCheap, I don't know, but they have FREE
WhoIs protection. BlueHost/HostMonster used to, but now they charge
$4.95 for domain privacy for each domain per year!

You can get BlueHost hosting for $3.95 per month (if you order 2+ years)...
=> you can't beat that price anywhere! and the support is excellent

Simply google "BlueHost 3.95" without the quotes to signup for the
special deal. -- Later

and give THANKS if this has helped you in any way... would be appreciated

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Jeff Henshaw 14 years ago

This has been an interesting thread and I have picked up a few useful tips from it.

One thing to emphasize though is NEVER host your domain(s) and web hosting with the same service provider. Always point your domain name(s) using the DNS facility from your domain host(s) to your separately purchased web host(s).

Failure to do this is akin to putting all of your eggs in one basket. If you get into a dispute with a provider that hosts both your domain name and your hosting, then they have total control of that area of your business, service or hobby.

Just my thoughts,

Jeff.
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