Would like your advice on adswaps...

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Having never done an adswap or bought a solo-mailing, I could be considered an adswap dunce.

I'd love to hear from people who have done adswaps, and paid for solo mailings:

What have your experiences been?
What should I look out for?
What advice would you give for best mutual results?


Looking forward to learning a lot.

Kindest regards,
Karl.
#adswaps #advice
  • Profile picture of the author andybeveridge
    I have done a solo ad with a fellow Warrior with great success. Always look for good feedback and more importantly, if you really do not know the person who you are about to deal with, why not sign up to their list. That way you will see how they deliver.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    IF you're doing just one or two adswaps, cool - go for it.

    The thing that scares me is those people who adswap 7 days a week. Their whole model is just to send traffic to squeeze pages... don't be that guy.

    But by all means, I'm sure you've met great people designing ebook covers, that you can trust, buy solo ads from them.

    The only thing I'd recommend is you test out your email before buying a solo ad. Test it out on your list, see what the response rate is, and then find a solo ad with a similar list.
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    • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
      Originally Posted by andybeveridge View Post

      Always look for good feedback and more importantly, if you really do not know the person who you are about to deal with, why not sign up to their list. That way you will see how they deliver.
      Great advice, thank you - something to definitely consider. I always try to cover my back with the company I keep, so that's a must.

      Originally Posted by James Foster View Post

      IF you're doing just one or two adswaps, cool - go for it.

      The thing that scares me is those people who adswap 7 days a week. Their whole model is just to send traffic to squeeze pages... don't be that guy.
      Most definitely, don't want people to get sick of the sound of me

      Originally Posted by James Foster View Post

      But by all means, I'm sure you've met great people designing ebook covers, that you can trust, buy solo ads from them.
      Something I hadn't considered - and something I'm definitely going to pursue.

      Originally Posted by James Foster View Post

      The only thing I'd recommend is you test out your email before buying a solo ad. Test it out on your list, see what the response rate is, and then find a solo ad with a similar list.
      Most definitely - will be split testing multiple emails and sending out the best candidate for anything I do.

      Thanks for the advice so far, really appreciate it.
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by James Foster View Post

      IF you're doing just one or two adswaps, cool - go for it.

      The thing that scares me is those people who adswap 7 days a week. Their whole model is just to send traffic to squeeze pages... don't be that guy.

      But by all means, I'm sure you've met great people designing ebook covers, that you can trust, buy solo ads from them.

      The only thing I'd recommend is you test out your email before buying a solo ad. Test it out on your list, see what the response rate is, and then find a solo ad with a similar list.
      Great advice. Ad swaps can be soooo overdone! I know of some marketers that swear by doing four or five swaps a week and the other days marketing a product.

      Where these people fail is by not ever offering anything of value. Sure, some of the freebies that they promote through swaps can have some value, but where is the value from them personally?

      If you are going to ask people to buy something from you, then they need a reason to value your opinion. Give them valuable information. Give them a reason to trust you. Simply sending your list members to another opt-in page again and again is no way to build a trusted relationship.
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  • Profile picture of the author EdmundLoh
    What have your experiences been?

    Years ago, I had successful results doing adswaps with one partner after another. I wanted to build my list quickly so I thought I might as well do as many as I can in a shorter time.

    That sounded awesome... theoratically speaking.

    In actual fact, too many ad swaps can turn out to be a bad thing after all.

    -> your subscribers aren't dumb and can easily sniff out it's an ad swap and not a sincere endorsement

    -> diluted results: your subscribers get less responsive over time too, which is just as bad as being bombarded by too emails on different offers in a short time

    -> easier to lose track of ad swap partners who are performing well, and not performing well

    That said, I learned my lesson. It's really quality over quantity. I prefer to do just 1-2 a month, sometimes less. One ad swap with great results beats a barrage of diluted ones that can also damage my credibility, on top of everything else mentioned above.


    What should I look out for?

    -> the first factor is of course, list size. Preferably of similar count. And also in a similar niche. Those are a given.

    -> now this is what really counts: the offer in the ad swap. I already trust you're going to submit a worthy offer for your adswap partner to blast to his list, but thing is you have no control over his offer (except the part you can say 'yes' or 'no' before you blast it out to your list).

    I really recommend you check out your adswap partner's offer first, subscriber to his list and see if his offer is worthy to be sent to your list after all. And also check if he's using ethical or otherwise dodgy tactics.

    I have refused a huge number of ad swap requests because the ad swap partner's offer is bad, credibility-damaging and also, the solo ad email is misleading or not in line with my style of endorsement. (you have no idea how solo ad emails I got that read along the subject lines of "Notification of Payment Received..." LOL that's an instant refusal on the ad swap venture)


    What advice would you give for best mutual results?

    If ad swap partner has an affiliate program I treat this as a good bonus. If I have to make a choice of priority, this is one factor that will make me choose this ad swap partner over the other in interest of tight schedule.

    Likewise, you will do well to also have an affiliate program for your offer. This way, the ad swap venture can turn out to be a cross-JV after all.

    I also advise not to do ad swaps with the same marketers over and over, or you'll both wind up with similar kind of list. Do with a few marketers from different circles and you'll have a good mix. Take their reputation into account as well, who you associate with is just as important!

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    EDIT: I think this is important to mention too. Well ad swaps is not exact science, like many other things. Just because you and the ad swap partner operate in a similar niche and maybe have similar list size doesn't mean the outcome will be equal.

    The more often you do, the more you'll find out you'll do great with some ad swap partners, ok with some others, and perhaps bad with others. Yes there will be some 'rotten apples' who don't deliver what they say, and this is your prerogative how you want to deal with them next time.

    But let's talk about the sincere ad swap partners who did their part, emailed your offer to their list, but results aren't what you expect or just didn't measure up to what you did for him. In this case, don't be quick to discount him.

    As said, there's never a guarantee results will be equal (it rarely ever is) and you'll sometimes find out your list doesn't respond as well to certain ad swap offers too, so you might find yourself doing the apology instead. In this case, you can choose to maybe do another email blast (or your ad swap partner does it if he's not performing to par). Above all, don't discount him too quick.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    ^ Awesome advice Edmond... Learned something myself
    thanks for sharing it
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  • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
    Edmund,

    I really appreciate you taking the time to post such an informative and helpful reply.

    You've given a lot of food for thought and I will be taking a lot of what you said on board for when I do venture into adswaps.

    Kindest regards,
    Karl
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  • Profile picture of the author Garin
    Great advice,

    Personally I like to list swap with those people who have high value opt-in offers.

    This way I am adding value to my list by mailing about the offer, and keeping my unsubscribes to a minimum.

    I also like to connect with the person I am doing the swap with on as many social networks as possible, and build a bit of a relationship before I email, to ensure the swap is a success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Hi Karl,

    I would do an ad swap with you but my only subscriber passed away 6 months
    ago.

    He was a great customer. I had a 100% click through rate and he
    purchased all my products. I Really miss him.

    Seriously, Edmund gave you great advise and I've read his reply three
    times now and still have nothing that I could add to help, sorry.

    Why did I make this post then?

    I just wanted to say that it's good to see you here on the WF again and I
    hope all goes well with your present project.

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
      I would also ask for references and also screen shots of their open rate and their click through rates.

      Hope that helps...
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    Ad Swaps rock. Just be careful not to always ad swap with the same people who are in the same circle just ad swapping the same leads back and forth.

    I've gotten burned on solo ads in the past. It's tough for me to find a good quality source for doing them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Be careful who you swap with... if you don't already know them, either directly or by reputation, get some references from people you do know. I've been burned a couple of times by people who didn't mail out when I did, and stopped responding to emails afterwards.

      Both times I had gotten careless and hadn't checked them out as thoroughly as I should have, so it's not that hard to avoid this problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
      Hey Karl,

      I've used ad swaps successfully and they can really send you a lot of new subscribers and sales quickly.

      I mean when you have just one person send you 500+ new subscriptions literally over night from just one email recommendation and dozens of sales sent through your funnel, you can begin to wonder why you hadn't done it before.

      But then the issue of "list dilution" can come into effect.

      For example, if you keep sending your own list all these emails telling them to go hop on someone else's list every day,

      eventually if they follow each of your daily suggestions,

      they're now on 100 other marketers' lists.

      Now picture yourself in their place.

      You open your inbox and see 100 "must open" email subject lines
      all from other people who said you just gotta subscribe to this other list.

      You'd have to pay a full time assistant just to read them all each day!

      So what can you do to reduce the list dilution while still maximizing
      the results possible?

      Ideally, that's what we'd like right?

      Okay.

      If you can limit yourself to just a small core group of people you trust,
      you can set up regular swaps with them to get that initial boost
      without having to dilute yourself by spreading your subscriber's attention divided between 100 others.

      The reason this works is because if you only have 5 regular people
      you are swapping with,

      You can still receive the traffic from each of the five each week
      or month but you have also greatly reduced the list dilution too because there are only 5 other marketers they're receiving emails from.

      This is provided those other 5 aren't swapping out daily which would mean your subscribers would now be wading through the 100 other marketers emails recommended by the partner you sent them.

      So it's a good idea to choose only the partners who are using other methods for growing their business instead of just ad swaps as their primary source.

      This way you greatly reduce the response-killing "list dilution" side effects while you still get to enjoy the business building benefits of more traffic, subscribers and sales.

      One good way to track your progress and hold yourself and other partners accountable for your results,

      is to create an excel file that you name,

      "Karl's Stats"

      You list each of your five partner's names there.

      Then for each one, you list:

      1. the date of the swap with them
      2. the number of clicks they sent

      This will help you keep track.

      You can also use it as a scheduler by booking the date and time
      with each one in advance so you can have it on file for easy reference.

      Of course you'll want to have your pre-written email you send to your partner so they don't have to do any other work except personalising
      it with their own signature.

      It's a good idea to have this ready to send to them as soon
      as you discuss it so that you show you are professionally on top of things and ready to do business you take seriously.

      (It also helps you to "get it done" and out of the way so you don't put it off until the last minute and then scramble to crank out some email copy!)

      The truly beautiful thing is when you begin to split test different versions of your:

      *subject line

      *ad copies

      *different dates of sending

      *different times...

      ...because now you have this ultimate response version you can have partners send on your behalf for months (or even a year or more!)
      and be somewhat confident of what results you can expect because
      you have tracked your squeeze page opt in conversion rate and number of clicks along with the other metrics.

      You may or may not decide to put up a one time offer to redirect your new subscribers to immediately after they subscribe.

      But if you do, you can also reasonably project how much money you'll make every time a partner sends out your email swipe for you because you now know:

      for every xxxx # of clicks sent, you make xxx # of OTO sales
      and earn $xx per click
      !

      The important thing is to just get started with it so you can test how it fits your own business preferences.

      One of the reasons I suggest starting with no more than 5 partners at first, is because if you don't like the way it works for you,

      -you can just begin to purchase solo email ads or use other means of generating new subscriptions without going to the "point of no return".

      On the complete other hand, I know of some who use ad swaps daily and they just continue to send thousands of clicks from new visitors to their websites daily and just depend on that burst of new traffic and sales then rinse and repeat--fully aware of the list dilution.

      To me, that way of doing it seems like you would always have to continue to schedule more and more swaps just to keep your head above water at your current level, but then again, they are introduced to new trusted partners from the ones they have swapped with regularly before so it doesn't seem to bother them in the slightest.

      Whatever you decide is the best approach for you I hope this may prove to be helpful to you and wish you the best as always.

      -Doug
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      • Profile picture of the author tacoverhoef
        Wow great extensive post on this subject. I really appreciate this. It s a great learning curve, thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
    Woke up this morning to some more great advice.

    I'm really glad I asked We rarely see advice on Ad Swaps and Solo Ads here,
    and it seems that there's a lot of experience right here on the forum.

    Thanks a lot guys, I really appreciate your time and advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author DomenicoGrecojr
      Both adswaps and solo-mails have worked for me.

      Here are some tips from my past experience:

      1. Do about 4 adswaps a month. However, don't agree to do adswaps with anyone. Check out their offer first. See if it's really good stuff before you announce it to your list.

      2. With the adswap copy, don't be afraid to tell the list owner that you will change the wordings of their ads. Tell them that doing so will increase the response.

      Your list will know when you send an email that sounds out of character.

      3. Always check the response rate of your adswaps. It's an excellent way to improve your copywriting skills. If you find a good offer or a particular title that your list responds well to...put this in your marketing or create new products from it.

      4. You have to be careful with solo-mails. Don't buy a solo-mail based on number of subscribers. I've seen students of mine getting 22 subscribers from a list of under 60,000. He got ripped off.

      Buy a solo-mail based on the number of clicks...which is what matters most.
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