CLICKBANK: The most prehistorical method... just shocked...

by Nisip Banned
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At the beginning of February I made some sales through Clickbank.

I received on Monday morning finally by mail my first clickbank check.
It took Clickbank almost 5 weeks to send it.

Since yesterday I go from bank to bank asking how long it will take to cash this check.

The officers in the bank look at me like I would come
from prehistory, they ask why they don't just send you write transfer
to your account, and say that it will take between 2 and 10 months to cash the check...

This is just insane!

How can Clickbank use still in 2011 such a prehistorical method of "sending" payment,
that it is not supported anymore almost anywhere in European Union ?

And they oblige you to use it at least for the first 2 times.

I am so dissapointed and disgusted by this, hardly I can even express it...
#clickbank #method #prehistorical #shocked
  • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
    Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

    The officers in the bank look at me like I would come
    from prehistory, they ask why they don't just send you write transfer
    to your account, and say that it will take between 2 and 10 months to cash the check...

    I am so dissapointed and disgusted by this, hardly I can even express it...
    Err... I think you need a new bank! My bank takes 3 days to cash a cheque, and a max of around 2 weeks for a foreign cheque like Clickbank.

    Cheques are still very widely used in B2B payments.
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  • Profile picture of the author GoGetta
    Hey,

    They do have wire transfer but like you say, you need 2 checks first. However, 2-10 months to cash a check???? That seems ridiculous. In the UK, taking a check to the bank usually clears within 7 days! The checks I have put into my account from Clickbank took no longer than 7 days to credit??

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  • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
    Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

    The officers in the bank look at me like I would come
    from prehistory, they ask why they don't just send you write transfer
    to your account, and say that it will take between 2 and 10 months to cash the check...
    Are you sure about 2-10 months? I've never heard of any bank anywhere in the world taking that long. Mine gives me the money immediately, but the checks take about 4-6 weeks to actually clear. I can't imagine that it would take any longer than about 8 weeks anywhere else in Europe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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    So I should immigrate from Hungary to U.K.?

    But my address is in Hungary, so I am not sure I would be able to cash the check on my name in U.K.

    This problem is really big because as you well know, it is written on the check that after 3 months the check becomes void.

    Already 1.25 months passed, only because US regular mail is so slow...
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

      So I should immigrate from Hungary to U.K.?

      But my address is in Hungary, so I am not sure I would be able to cash the check on my name in U.K.

      This problem is really big because as you well know, it is written on the check that after 3 months the check becomes void.

      Already 1.25 months passed, only because US regular mail is so slow...
      Hungary or France?

      As mentioned after just 2 of them the money will be wired to your bank.

      What are these "banks" doing exactly during the 2 - 10 months? Did you ask them why?

      I bl**dy well would.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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    Yes I asked. I said it is 21st century and NOT THE STONE AGE.

    They said they have to check if the check is not fake, because there are many fake checks... and that it is just like that, that they have very rarely US checks and they don't like US checks

    However, clickbank forced method of payment with so very slow checks
    that are as it looks now impossible to check, is so damaging to their image and
    their credibility...

    Actually from the time that the sales were made, and the time when I get hopefully the money it still takes more than 100 days, as it looks now

    And that is... only if I will ever be able to actually cash such check
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      They can check if it's fake by contacting CB. That would take minutes. There are lots of fake bank notes here but when I buy a beer or petrol or whatever, I don't wait ten months for them to check the money's real.

      However, clickbank forced method of payment with so very slow checks
      that are as it looks now impossible to check, is so damaging to their image and
      their credibility...
      Only for you is their credibility damaged. I get money in my bank, without doing anything, every 2 weeks.

      You will only get 2 cheques. Will you be saying this when the money goes straight into your bank?

      It's not the end of the world.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        They can check if it's fake by contacting CB. That would take minutes. There are lots of fake bank notes here but when I buy a beer or petrol or whatever, I don't wait ten months for them to check the money's real.

        Only for you is their credibility damaged. I get money in my bank, without doing anything, every 2 weeks.

        You will only get 2 cheques. Will you be saying this when the money goes straight into your bank?

        It's not the end of the world.
        MY GOD, WHY do people think things like that? NO THEY CAN'T! They will NOT say hey, clickbank, we have a check from you for a trillion dollars, is it legit? Suppose the depositor were giving it to THEM! MAYBE they would say YES!

        BANKS check with the local system, or BANKS! They do NOT care if a check is "GOOD"! They want to make sure the bank will HONOR it!!!

        And do you think that a teller can just make a decision anyway? NOPE! So it goes down the line, and someone else uses STANDARD methods to validate it, and they have to somehow VALUE it! That may not happen until they actually get the money!

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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          MY GOD, WHY do people think things like that? NO THEY CAN'T! They will NOT say hey, clickbank, we have a check from you for a trillion dollars, is it legit? Suppose the depositor were giving it to THEM! MAYBE they would say YES!

          BANKS check with the local system, or BANKS! And do you think that a teller can just make a decision anyway? NOPE! So it goes down the line, and someone else uses STANDARD methods to validate it, and they have to somehow VALUE it! That may not happen until they actually get the money!

          Steve
          Oh. Thanks for that Steve.

          I'm not a banker and I've never worked in one. I stand corrected though.

          I now fully understand why it takes between 2 and 10 months to cash a cheque. :rolleyes:

          I can also read perfectly well without the need to capitalise the words, so they sink better into my small brain.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Oh. Thanks for that Steve.

            I'm not a banker and I've never worked in one. I stand corrected though.

            I now fully understand why it takes between 2 and 10 months to cash a cheque. :rolleyes:

            I can also read perfectly well without the need to capitalise the words, so they sink better into my small brain.
            No, it shouldn't take 2-10 months! At it's WORST, one would think maybe ONE month! But you can't call the writer and say "will we get paid?"!

            BTW the ONLY reason I say 1 MONTH is because the mail is VERY slow at times.

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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              No, it shouldn't take 2-10 months! At it's WORST, one would think maybe ONE month! But you can't call the writer and say "will we get paid?"!

              BTW the ONLY reason I say 1 MONTH is because the mail is VERY slow at times.

              Steve
              Well that was my point Steve. It shouldn't take that long.

              My entire point was about the extreme length of time the OP said it took to clear the cheque.

              You so kindly and with so many capital letters in it I thought perhaps you felt you were talking to a 4 year old, explained that banks have a lot of procedures and red tape to follow before they can find out if the other bank, has the money and can honour it's cheques, to another bank.

              I also realise how silly I've been thinking that the clearing time had anything to do with sitting on the money for the interest. :rolleyes:

              But you can't call the writer and say "will we get paid?"!
              I was figuratively speaking Steve. I know they don't just call the bank, that's why it takes time to clear a cheque. I didn't think a bank would just ring up CB and ask them when they'd be paid. I was just making the point, it shouldn't take up to 10 months.

              I just thought in the modern world, one bank may be able to communicate more fluidly, with another.

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    • Profile picture of the author clint48
      Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

      Yes I asked. I said it is 21st century and NOT THE STONE AGE.

      They said they have to check if the check is not fake, because there are many fake checks... and that it is just like that, that they have very rarely US checks and they don't like US checks

      However, clickbank forced method of payment with so very slow checks
      that are as it looks now impossible to check, is so damaging to their image and
      their credibility...

      Actually from the time that the sales were made, and the time when I get hopefully the money it still takes more than 100 days, as it looks now

      And that is... only if I will ever be able to actually cash such check
      It is probably because the US Dollar has devalued so much. On the news the other night I saw where some store owners in Mexico had signs on their store window saying they do not accept US Dollars.

      The report went on to say there were some cities out West in the U.S. that wouldn't accept dollars, they are using their own currency.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

    At the beginning of February I made some sales through Clickbank.

    I received on Monday morning finally by mail my first clickbank check.
    It took Clickbank almost 5 weeks to send it.

    Since yesterday I go from bank to bank asking how long it will take to cash this check.

    The officers in the bank look at me like I would come
    from prehistory, they ask why they don't just send you write transfer
    to your account, and say that it will take between 2 and 10 months to cash the check...

    This is just insane!

    How can Clickbank use still in 2011 such a prehistorical method of "sending" payment,
    that it is not supported anymore almost anywhere in European Union ?

    And they oblige you to use it at least for the first 2 times.

    I am so dissapointed and disgusted by this, hardly I can even express it...
    It isn't really prehistoric. Wiretransfers have been around for perhaps 100 years or more. I believe they even predate the TELEPHONE! Today, MOST US banks charge for them.

    And france NEVER supported US checks! The US uses ACH, and I believe France uses SWIFT. TWO ENTIRELY different neetworks! So they have to handle them in a more manual fashion.

    Clickbank SHOULD send it out with everything else, but letters can sometimes take a LONG time to get there. Don't ask me why.

    HEY, in the 70s they had technology that they STILL aren't really using! Why don't you ask the banks why they are still thinking like they were in the 1960s? I mean they COULD have the check gadget hook up through the internet, or even an old fashioned dialup connection, and transfer the money. For corporate, they could even have a code to automate it ONE HUNDRED PERCENT, while virtually eliminating fraud! That would mean that US checks would take less work and less time than french checks at a french bank. All it takes is a little 1950s technology and 1970s technology applied TODAY!

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Dude, I waited weeks for my cheques to arrive, and then waited 6 weeks for them to clear.

    Guess what? SO DID MOST OF THE REST OF US.

    If you dont like it, CHANGE IT.

    No one is forcing you to use Clickbank.

    *shakes head
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    • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Dude, I waited weeks for my cheques to arrive, and then waited 6 weeks for them to clear.

      Guess what? SO DID MOST OF THE REST OF US.

      *shakes head
      If you suffered, it doesn't mean that this is the way that it should be.

      Clickbank would grow their business 10 times larger
      if they would be fair and pay people through paypal.

      I went to MANY banks, most of the banks are not even cashing US checks at all.

      Last bank officer told me:

      << Company paying people by cheque? I thought that was long gone as a practice, from the 70s !

      It is too expensive and subject to usual abuse / loss / theft. >>
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      • Profile picture of the author damo40
        Cannot believe the time frame here.....surely something not right.

        In Ireland a cheque from any part of the world can be cleared 3-7 days max
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

        If you suffered, it doesn't mean that this is the way that it should be.
        Who said anything about suffering? Its called "waiting patiently".

        Let me ask you something.

        Did you actually READ Clickbank's payment methods, including their TOS, before you signed up impatiently like an 8 year old in a lolly shop? Did you go to your financial instution to verify the ability to cash paper cheques without delay???

        My guess is, probably not.

        And let me ask you this...

        If this is such a "really big problem", as you put it, then I cant help but think that something is SERIOUSLY WRONG at your end if your business and or your livelihood is so DEPENDANT on this ONE Clickbank cheque!

        How much is this cheque for anyway? Come on, tell us.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      *shakes head
      So long as it's only your head you shake, and not your fists - with arms as big as that, that'd be a scary prospect, indeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author lonicera
    I live in Croatia and had no issues with clickbank checks at all. I go to the bank, give them the check, they cash it in immediately - transfer the money to my foreign currency account.
    Can't believe that they need 8-10 weeks , what kind of bank is that??? check with another clerk, sometimes new guys or girls that work in the bank see those checks for the first time and then just say so to get rid of you...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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    Yes, in Ireland and UK is all ok. Just that I don't live there.

    Please come and ask at banks in Hungary and you will be shocked.

    For 2 days I am going from bank to bank and I hear mindblowing stories,
    that only criminals are trying to cash checks actually...

    All banks consider that if you try to cash a check issued by a third party (clickbank) for sure there is some fraud involved...
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    If you're really having such big problems cashing a simple USD check - and I'm surprised to hear that you are - then maybe you could void the check and return it to Clickbank, requesting that payment be re-issued through direct deposit / wire transfer?

    I don't think they'll charge you anything, because taking receipt of the check once more they will not have to cancel it. They'll just tear it up and throw it away.

    The whole "2 payments issued via check" deal doesn't say anything about you having to actually cash them, does it?

    I would think the whole idea behind this policy, as someone else recently pointed out, is to verify your address. Well, clearly, if you void and return them - having first notified Clickbank that that's what you're doing - there'll be no question about the fact that you received them at your specified address - no?

    Of course, if you're going to try this, you should talk to Clickbank about it first, and you might want to wait until your second check is received so that you can do them both together?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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    you know it is not about that.

    it is about the fact that while clickbank gets paid instantly, some affiliates like me will wait 3-4 months or evern more to get paid.

    and that is just very unfair and a big dark spot on clickbank way of doing business.

    Most of eastern european banks simply DO NOT CASH US CHEQUES.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    I have the same problem where I live.

    Banks here take 20 working days to clear the cheque.

    I remember the first one I presented to them..... it was passed from cashier to supervisor to manager, all shaking their heads, until I explained that Americans write the date the wrong way round and it wasn't massively post-dated :rolleyes:

    I, too, can't understand why Clickbank are locked in the past. Cheques will actually cease to exist in the UK in a couple of years. Americans can be so quaint about such things, though.

    The issue is that Clickbank have a 2 tiered transfer system. They make Bank Deposits to banks in about a dozen countries (including many EU countries) which are superb...they are paid in local currency, are free and are cleared almost instantly. For other countries (strangely also including many EU countries) they don't offer this service for some reason, leaving only cheques or the equally old-fashioned wire transfers which are slow, expensive and can only be done in US dollars, thus incurring further charges at the recipients end.

    This is why I don't use clickbank for affiliate programs I have on some of my products. For a lower-ticket item, it just isn't viable.

    Advice to the OP? Go and delve into Payspree. Great service, great system and you will get paid the instant a sale is made directly into your Paypal account.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      I have the same problem where I live.

      Banks here take 20 working days to clear the cheque.

      I remember the first one I presented to them..... it was passed from cashier to supervisor to manager, all shaking their heads, until I explained that Americans write the date the wrong way round and it wasn't massively post-dated :rolleyes:

      I, too, can't understand why Clickbank are locked in the past. Cheques will actually cease to exist in the UK in a couple of years.

      Advice to the OP? Go and delve into Payspree. Great service, great system and you will get paid the instant a sale is made directly into your Paypal account.
      what is payspree?


      clickbank lives in the 70s with their outdated payment system.

      such a shame
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      • Profile picture of the author rts2271
        With all the recent banking and fraud issues, check usage is back on the upswing. What I thought was a dead technology is actually picking up at the enterprise level and small business finds itself following suit. My server vendors in the mid west now only accept checks. A number of gas stations and my electric company only accept checks. It's backlash to the whole merchant fee system.

        The problem sounds like you have a real crappy bank. Get a new one and use that check for your opening deposit. Don't count on the money until you can setup the electronic transfer with CB and know you have a nestegg in that bank.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
        Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

        what is payspree?


        clickbank lives in the 70s with their outdated payment system.

        such a shame
        Well you can't change that can you?

        So please stop whining.

        Thanks you.

        EDIT: Also, checks are an "outdated payment system". I do tons of offline marketing and I get paid by check every month.
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  • Profile picture of the author P.Sharma
    Its just the first three checks then you can go for wire transfer. This is a security feature that they have. Congrats on making money though
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  • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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    Ok, I just came back from trying 4 more banks. New things that I heard today:

    "Cheques are expensive to create, expensive to process and expensive to validate.
    We were trained that they are from another era and should be avoided.therefore we don't accept bank cheques"

    "There was a lot of forgers who took advantage of the banking system in the 90s and even after 2000. I remember a movie called "catch me if you can ".
    I wonder why cheques are still used anyways."

    "Being paid by cheque is out of dat. Tell your company to send Western Union or wire"
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    • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
      Bah.. at least you seem to be able to get wired. Clickbank is not offering that service to Sweden. So I have to cash all my checks from them. At a cost of about 20 bucks per check.

      But, those are the terms for us outlanders.
      Learn to accept it or incoprorate in UK or US and open a local bank account
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Holy hell, what does your bank in Hungary have to do... wait that long to have that much in their bank or something? I suggest like everyone else here, GET A NEW BANK... The first few checks you might have to wait about a week to 7 business days but after you have established a history of these checks with them they should be more inclined to approve your checks sooner.
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    The very first check I receive took 9 weeks to arrive, they send it by regular mail. Four weeks later the bank clear the funds.

    Now takes about 4 to 5 weeks the checks to arrive and the same four weeks to get the money, but now I know better. And I prepare myself to expect that all the sales I made on march I would enjoy the benefits on june.

    Paypal and adsense are way more fast and secure. From CJ I'm still waiting the check from last december sales (if arrives will be void by now).
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOJJ
    Clickbank do use wire also.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    I have the same problem here in Greece. I use only the bank I have an account related to the internet, but I’m going to look for better options. My Clickbank checks delay 2 months or so to arrive, the bank where I deposit them takes too much percent for accepting them because they are in dollars and here we have euros (!) and I have to wait 2 months in order to get that money.

    However, I’m selling my ebooks through Clickbank because it is the most popular affiliate network.

    I’m going to look for new banks when the next check will arrive. I have so many things to do in my life that I lose money for not doing everything I should have done. Thanks for posting your story!

    You may find better options at your country too. Or, perhaps you could do something else.

    If you want to work as a seller, there are other networks, like Paydotcom, that pay you through paypal. However, you will have to promote the products that are in their marketplace, which is not as large as Clickbank’s marketplace. I think that it doesn't matter which one you'll choose if you'll make money this way.

    Take care!
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

    At the beginning of February I made some sales through Clickbank.

    I received on Monday morning finally by mail my first clickbank check.
    It took Clickbank almost 5 weeks to send it.

    Since yesterday I go from bank to bank asking how long it will take to cash this check.

    The officers in the bank look at me like I would come
    from prehistory, they ask why they don't just send you write transfer
    to your account, and say that it will take between 2 and 10 months to cash the check...

    This is just insane!

    How can Clickbank use still in 2011 such a prehistorical method of "sending" payment,
    that it is not supported anymore almost anywhere in European Union ?

    And they oblige you to use it at least for the first 2 times.

    I am so dissapointed and disgusted by this, hardly I can even express it...
    ClickBank does do direct deposit but only for those who live in the U.S.
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      ClickBank does do direct deposit but only for those who live in the U.S.
      Nope, they have direct deposit for me and I'm in Singapore with a Singapore account.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Clickbank direct deposits are available in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Hong Kong, India, Ireland, Mexico, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Singapore ("even for Peter" ), Spain, Switzerland, the US and the UK.

        Clickbank wire transfer payments are available as an alternative in all other countries in the world from which Clickbank accepts affiliates.

        Nobody ever has to bank more than 2 Clickbank checks, and many people have managed not to bank one at all, by returning them to Clickbank by arrangement, using the method outlined above. (And many more still have managed never to have to bank one by never earning enough to qualify for one, but that's another matter altogether :p ).

        Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

        And they oblige you to use it at least for the first 2 times.
        Actually they don't at all, Nisip. They oblige you (more or less) to be there to collect them (whether you bank them or not) because that's their way of verifying your address.

        Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

        I am so dissapointed and disgusted by this, hardly I can even express it...
        Your disappointment and disgust would in fact be better and more appropriately directed toward your bank. I'm just saying. Or, since you apparently live in France, just open an account with a French bank's branch in the British Channel Islands (which you can do quickly and easily, with minimal photocopied paperwork, and without needing to be there in person): they're very familiar with US$ checks and they clear Clickbank checks in about 3 - 4 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Clickbank deposits my money punctual AT THE DOT, if there is something i can depend on its when i see "check sent on [some day]"...i KNOW the money is there on my account the next day at 11am

    According to your profile you are in France..so why on earth dont you have direct deposit? (Needless to say it also gets rid of the crazy fees for cashing foreign checks)

    (Edit: This for clickbank ---> Germany, but i also dont have a doubt it will work for Spain, France or whatever)

    All you need to do is lookup your intl. bank code ("iban") and enter it on clickbank and the deposits are on their way. WHERE is the problem?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      George and Alexa,

      Though Nisip has France being his Location in his avatar, he does say he lives in Hungary. I did question that earlier in the thread but didn't get an answer to the query.

      You can't be blamed for the confusion though, I certainly was.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Though Nisip has France being his Location in his avatar, he does say he lives in Hungary. I did question that earlier in the thread but didn't get an answer to the query.
        Thanks very much, Richard.

        Sorry Nisip, I remember now, from looking at the thread yesterday, that you did indeed mention living in Hungary. I didn't re-read it all before posting today. That'll teach me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

    At the beginning of February I made some sales through Clickbank.

    I received on Monday morning finally by mail my first clickbank check.
    It took Clickbank almost 5 weeks to send it.

    Since yesterday I go from bank to bank asking how long it will take to cash this check.

    The officers in the bank look at me like I would come
    from prehistory, they ask why they don't just send you write transfer
    to your account, and say that it will take between 2 and 10 months to cash the check...

    This is just insane!

    How can Clickbank use still in 2011 such a prehistorical method of "sending" payment,
    that it is not supported anymore almost anywhere in European Union ?

    And they oblige you to use it at least for the first 2 times.

    I am so dissapointed and disgusted by this, hardly I can even express it...
    So, you're angry at CB because your bank and the EU sucks?
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