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What Would YOU Do?

by dan11749
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Hello everyone.

Let's imagine someone that is quite
common on this forum...

A guy who is new to the game.

Someone who could go either way...

Either stick with IM or quit.

What would YOU do if you had the
chance to start over?

Would you stick with it or do something else?
  • Profile picture of the author m5smiley
    If you were not doing IM, what would you want to do instead? I ask this only because I think if you incorporate your other passions into IM you will be successful. Also, if you tell us just a little about what you have already tried, maybe we can help you by pinpointing where it might be going wrong, or by adding suggestions. Hang in there!
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Hey Dan,

    I can feel the frustration in your post, man.

    First, I'll keep it in the WF and send you to the "What To Do If You're Desperate" thread...

    Second, I would say that maybe you're not ready to be an entrepreneur on your own yet. If not, there are plenty of apprenticeships available if you do some digging. If you're serious about this, I'd really recommend looking into taking the leap...you'll learn a TON.

    If you are convinced you still want to make it on your own, I have to tell you there are no magic bullets, no proven/successful formulas that are guaranteed to work for you.

    This will sound simple and (possibly) like I'm talking down to you...but the easiest way to get to $3K/month is to provide MORE than $3K/month worth of value to others.

    You can do this directly by selling products/services to other people. Or...you can leverage those that already have established businesses and provide THEM that value. This allows you to leverage their already established email lists, customer base, etc. to get a bigger return on what you're providing.

    Here are a few of the blogs and businesses in our circles that are worth checking out:

    Smart Passive Income
    TropicalMBA
    Foolish Adventure

    Also, check out my guest post on Flippa about finding niches here.

    Just keep in mind...just because WE'RE able to do what we do doesn't mean you can necessarily copy some formula and find success yourself. Instead, use these legit sources for inspiration and carve your own path.

    Hope that helps...
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  • Profile picture of the author dan11749
    Great replies guys, keep them coming.

    It seems like the answer so far is to
    stick with it! Lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
      Originally Posted by dan11749 View Post

      Thanks so much for the replies.

      I don't know. I'm not sure how to reply; my mind's just at work.

      I feel like there are so many different things out there that can and WILL work and DO work, and I would love to do any of them. I'm not just saying that from an aspect of "dur da dur whatever makes me money", but from an identity standpoint and a pride standpoint.

      I would be proud and excited to have a certain craft I go after, perfecting it and studying it as much as I could. That's why I'm so frustrated.

      It's not like I'm sitting here asking for a loophole to make me $100,000 while I go drink. I want something for me. I want something solid and scalable. I'm just stuck.
      Dan....

      You mentioned that you tried some things. What were they? Did you find that you gave each thing enough time or did you find that you were quickly shifting from one to the other?
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      • Profile picture of the author dan11749
        Definitely say to stick with one method.

        However, if you stick with a bad one,
        you'll go nowhere fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyt
    Originally Posted by dan11749 View Post

    Hello everyone. Thanks so much for deciding to look at my post.

    I have been involved in internet marketing for about a year or so. I have tried so many options and I cannot make anything work.

    I don't feel it would be helpful for anybody to hear a long story, so I'll keep it short. I have read read read so much and I have acted acted acted on so many different ideas. I simply cannot get anything to work.

    It's so frustrating because I'm passionate about IM. I enjoy it, and it's what I want to do. I consider myself a very intelligent and hard working person, which makes it even more discouraging and frustrating that I cannot make anything work.

    I am looking for ideas. I have all of the motivation in the world. Please, help a fellow warrior out.
    Maybe you are working too hard? Sometimes, we need to reflect and think before making our next move. It helps to let go for a while and re-think your strategies.

    Hard work alone does not cut it. It takes way more than that. But keep moving, keep trying new things until you find the one that fits, the one that works.
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  • Profile picture of the author RanD
    Originally Posted by dan11749 View Post

    I have read read read so much and I have acted acted acted on so many different ideas. I simply cannot get anything to work.
    I think that is the problem.

    You really need to pick one thing and stick with it until it works. If you bounce around trying a lot of different things, you will never gain any traction.

    It is very common for people to try things, not see quick results, then move on to another strategy. They key to success is not searching for some magic bullet. The key is figuring out why what you were doing was not working, and fix it.

    What did you act on that didn't work? It would be much easier to help you if we knew specifics. It is nearly impossible for us to guess what may have been the problem, and we certainly can't tell you what you would like to do.

    Internet marketing (well all marketing, really) is about traffic and conversion. You generate traffic and convert it to sales. How you generate traffic will vary between methods, but the concept is the same. Were your problems with traffic or conversion?

    Honestly, it seems far more prudent to work from things that you have already done rather than starting on, yet, another project from scratch. Especially if the problems are with a specific step in the process that was common to all of them, and may be common with the new project.

    The most common thing that causes problems with new IM'ers is improper keyword and niche research. People tend to shortcut this process because it's not as sexy as the other aspects, but I think it is the most crucial.

    Some problems are easily fixed, others not so much. It really helps if you know why your other projects failed. Not only because they could be fixed, but also so you can avoid those problems going forward.
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    • Profile picture of the author IanGreenwood
      Originally Posted by RanD View Post

      I think that is the problem.

      You really need to pick one thing and stick with it until it works. If you bounce around trying a lot of different things, you will never gain any traction.

      It is very common for people to try things, not see quick results, then move on to another strategy. They key to success is not searching for some magic bullet. The key is figuring out why what you were doing was not working, and fix it.

      ...Honestly, it seems far more prudent to work from things that you have already done rather than starting on, yet, another project from scratch. Especially if the problems are with a specific step in the process that was common to all of them, and may be common with the new project.
      I agree. You need to stop reading (if you have read as much as you say). You probably have enough knowledge to take you to the next level. Any gaps then ask on here for specific advice or help.

      1. Stop buying and stop reading (for the moment anyway).

      2. Pick one market (please, not "make money" - please!!!) and one product - either your own or a good (I mean converting) affiliate offer.

      3. Pick one - and only one - method of promoting it. If you don't have much spare cash then go for a free method. NOT SEO - you are not in charge of how Google ranks your site. If you have a bit of spare cash every month then go for media buys and try banners , ppc etc . Good places are Facebook, and Plenty of Fish, because of the targeting you can do with your ads. Content network (on Google) and run-of-network media buys are way too vague to make any impact except for mass market appeal offers.

      4. PLAY TO YOUR STRENGTHS! - If you are a decent writer then write to promote your offers (articles, blogs, hubpages, squidoo lenses, free ebooks, kindle books, etc. Whatever takes your fancy). If you are a bit more techie inclined then try Youtube vids, but play to your strengths. Whatever they are.

      5. Test and track your results. This is where most go wrong. You must have rock solid evidence in numbers that what you're doing is working or not working. This is the boring bit that most amateurs can't be bothered with. ALL the big names test, test, test, and track their figures and results.

      6. Stick at it. Stick at it... and, did I say Erm... stick at it! You must stick with one thing until you become at least very competent at it. Almost anything will work given time and if you tune the system enough, and keep tweaking it. Do what works more, ditch what doesn't.

      ****A good way to leverage this is to record everything you do either with screenshots or screen grab video and turn it into a case study. This way when you're successful you will have a ready made product to bring back here and sell to us! :-)****

      PLEASE don't think I'm trying to talk down to you here - I'm, really not! I read so often on this forum, but I'm going to say it as well. There is no magic bullet. There is no one click riches. There is no one software or app that brings in automatic cash while you sit back and do nothing. Doing business on the internet is just that - doing business, and it's hard work with long hours. Yeh, there's an upside but, but mostly it's just work!

      Good luck my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author crushthenet
    Sometimes it just takes patience Dan, and I know that's not what a lot of people want to hear. Even me LOL.

    I've been doing this stuff for over 10 years and I still struggle sometimes. There's so many different avenues and shiny things and techniques... And I get BORED with the same old same old... It's easy to shift your focus away from your weight loss product and onto something else. But I would say, take a break from all of it! And when you come back, get back into your weight loss product and refine it and make the sales page better and split test and keep working on traffic etc.

    I think that for only a year you're doing pretty darn good.

    And in my opinion, you have the most important things... determination and persistence.

    Obviously you need a lot to be successful online. I would say like some of the others up there to follow your passion. But most people don't know what they're passionate about. So if you're not sure about that just keep working at it and keep that upbeat attitude.

    Have you considered a WSO for PLR for your weight loss product? I don't know????? Not sure how many warriors are interested in something like that but thought I'd mention it.

    Do you have an affiliate program for your weight loss product? Are you trying to promote that?

    You'll figure it out, you sound pretty smart.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Humphries
    Hey Dan, I would recommend FOCUS on MASTERING just ONE thing. Pick a product, niche, whatever you are going to market. Then master ONE MARKETING TECHNIQUE that you enjoy (or that you'd like to become a master of)

    If you like Facebook marketing, master it. If you like video marketing, master it. etc...

    Basically pick the strategy, formula, etc that you want to focus on and then work on it for a set period of time until you have it mastered.

    Once you have mastered the topic you will not only be making more money, but you can then teach others how to do the same. People will find you because you are the expert

    Make sure to keep it simple with just one method at a time
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    You have to promote your work. Here are a few free methods:

    * You can create a Facebook fan page about your weight loss program.

    * Participate of Facebook and Linkedin groups.

    * Write many articles and after posting them at your blog, submit them to ezinearticles.com.

    * Post your article’s links at Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, and Google+.

    * Write Kindle ebooks about your experiences with weight loss and your knowledge, and drive traffic from Amazon to your website and blog. (You will have to spend some money with the format and the ebook cover)

    * Create a few Squidoo lenses, Hub pages, and Zujava leafs promoting your blog, your website (not too many of these pages because they belong to free platforms and you depend on their rules, but it’s easy to rank with them), and your Kindle ebooks (and also make money just for creating these pages, and for selling various affiliate products).

    * Post intelligent comments at relevant blogs with high traffic, and forums.

    Now, you also need an inexpensive paid method to build your email list. You have to pay for an autoresponder.

    * Give away a free ebook in exchange for email addresses and the permission to send messages to your subscribers.

    * When your Facebook fan page will have a few fans and interesting posts, you can use it in combination with inexpensive Facebook ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author adelewilliams
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    As I see it, you need to take a pause and a deep breath. Sometimes, you are so caught into the problem, that you cannot see the error. From what I've read, you are very determined to succeed in with your plan and that's good. Moreover, you like what you do, and that's good too. But sometimes you are so focused on certain details that you miss the entire scene. Therefore, take a step backwards and see what is going wrong. Progress will come, I'm sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Taken a proven online business model that you know for a FACT works (so probably best to avoid any WSOs or products claiming 'brand new, never seen before systems') and stick with tried and tested ones like blogging (with an email list and selling aff products or your own), product creation and launches, selling services, creating software or tools etc.

    Reverse engineer what others who have been successful did and do the same. Just keep working until you get there. If you fail don't give up instead look at why and what needs to be changed then go back to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tanya E
    I have had a lot of success selling services without having to further outsource any of it like most service providers do. I started small, writing a few articles a day and then scaled up to higher-end services and also earned through various forms of internet marketing.

    You cannot make it work in a short span of time - it takes time and effort but if you do it consistently you will meet with success.
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      Originally Posted by Tanya E View Post

      I have had a lot of success selling services without having to further outsource any of it like most service providers do. I started small, writing a few articles a day and then scaled up to higher-end services and also earned through various forms of internet marketing.

      You cannot make it work in a short span of time - it takes time and effort but if you do it consistently you will meet with success.
      Very Good. Best Of Luck For YOUR Future Planning .
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    To say the truth, the weight-loss is a very competitive market to break even especially when you don't have an edge.

    So far so good, you made a couple of sales off adword coupon, what does that tells you? Identify the keywords that brought about the sales and rank your site or video for them.

    Are you using auto-responder for your marketing? It's very important if you want to succeed as an affiliate marketer. Collect emails of your visitors and follow up with them automatically and build relationship with them.

    Once in a while you can promote your offer to them and also other weight-loss machinery, ebooks, supplements e.t.c even as an affiliate.

    If you have a targeted and responsive lists of 1k to 20k, ya gonna make a lot of benjamins, yeah am talking of lots of $$$ you won't know what to do with. As you know the more the competition, the higher/better the earning capacity.

    It's really a headache to break even on this market if you ain't prepared and have a sound budget, time and resources.

    As it is now, you might want to look for a smaller market/niche out of weight-loss or move to something different completely.
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  • Profile picture of the author EllenMoore
    I think you tried too many things this last year and you didn't give any of them the time and attention they deserved. You may be constrained by expenses, but unless you invest some time, without waiting for immediate results, it won't work.
    Your weight loss product may be great, but my mentor taught me that results barely appear after 3 months. You had 2 sales, that should count for something. It was through Adwords, so get more credit and promote it through Adwords. Especially since you created it from scratch, it should be your "baby", you should not give up on it that easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hill SEO
    I think many of the guys have eluded to this but just give it more time and dont be too quick to say "it hasn't worked"

    I have just finished my first year with Amazon Associates and have made £5,000 - some may say that is good and others will say it is terrible "Quit now!" Personally I think it is a pretty solid start and the real value is the lessons I have learnt along the way.

    I know it can be hard to stick to one thing with so many different strategies and examples of how others are "Killing it" but it is the only way to learn / understand what works for you.

    Personally I think you should strip it all back and start a new project from scratch. Find something you think is sustainable and give it time grow. The things you have learnt over the past year will serve you well and forget about all of the "Guaranteed to work" tactics

    I know that I am no expert in this but can really relate to your frustration - I found I was more productive when I took a step back and admitted to myself that this is going to take a long time

    All the best and I hope things work out for you
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
    Perhaps you are just over thinking it. I would suggest that you stick to an offline job, till you get comfy with things online. I know that it is not easy to make money online, but there are many people who are doing it. These people have got where they have, after a lot of hard work.
    So, stay cool and do what you are doing to keep the fires at home burning. And - keep looking at things at this forum, study them and you will find YOUR WAY to make money online.

    All the best.

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  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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    Originally Posted by dan11749 View Post

    Hello everyone. Thanks so much for deciding to look at my post.

    I have been involved in internet marketing for about a year or so. I have tried so many options and I cannot make anything work.

    I don't feel it would be helpful for anybody to hear a long story, so I'll keep it short. I have read read read so much and I have acted acted acted on so many different ideas. I simply cannot get anything to work.

    It's so frustrating because I'm passionate about IM. I enjoy it, and it's what I want to do. I consider myself a very intelligent and hard working person, which makes it even more discouraging and frustrating that I cannot make anything work.

    I am looking for ideas. I have all of the motivation in the world. Please, help a fellow warrior out.

    Huh!! What the fcuk is this all about? Just 9 days ago you ran a WSO, and this is one of your posts in that thread . . .

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post8653246

    You're taking the piss getting the good folks on here wasting their time replying to you. You're also either a bullshitter, a liar, or both. But I'd call you a typical scam artist, the sort that gives WF bad rep.
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    • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
      Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

      Huh!! What the fcuk is this all about? Just 9 days ago you ran a WSO, and this is one of your posts in that thread . . .

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post8653246

      You're taking the piss getting the good folks on here wasting their time replying to you. You're also either a bullshitter, a liar, or both. But I'd call you a typical scam artist, the sort that gives WF bad rep.
      Ahem...not looking good for the OP.

      Damn, fellas, this is just depressing. I'm going to assume he was telling the truth in this post and not-so-much in his sales thread. The sad thing is that he's now passed on this "Newb Wisdom" to who KNOWS how many other unsuspecting guys/gals trying to get something up and running.

      I know, I know...someone lying on the internet? Shocking, eh?

      At least man-up and give us an explanation, OP...interested to hear the real story and where you're coming from. Do you see how you're perpetuating the BS?
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  • Profile picture of the author m5smiley
    With the weightloss did you try advertising on forums like Myfitnesspal and Spark People. I have seen others do this successfully. Also if Adwords worked for you those couple of times, maybe it would not be a bad idea to buy more advertising with them? It sounds like you are really doing a good job and working hard. Maybe it just takes a little more time?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Dinero
    OP, dont try to lie to people, the truth always comes out you know... I understand you though, I can almost feel the desperation in your post, look... get your $hit together first, then pick something, and MAKE IT WORK, dont stop, dont stop at nothing, pick ONE thing and make that work.

    Dont try to decieve folks, not cool.

    Good luck man
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  • Profile picture of the author Danielle Murphyx
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    The first thing you should be doing before "diving in" on your own is ask yourself what is it you are passionate about. The most succesfull businesses I have seen are the ones started by people who were really passionate about their activity. Try to do this as well. Ok, you are passionate about IM but what else? Shopping, books, cars ... etc. Connect the IM to your passion, start to think like your audience and it will be easier to figure out how to make them buy your service/product.
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    • Profile picture of the author glowworm
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      To my mind it's not advice you should be given but a kick up the backside. Lying, in whatever form, won't get you anywhere in the long run. They always get found out. But lying to people in a WSO , taking money off people who can't afford to lose it as they're looking for solutions themselves, and making out you've got the perfect solution for them when you don't even know what you're doind yourself - that's the lowest of the low.

      So many people come on here with a signature link claiming they can make you money. The reality is a few weeks later they're asking for help themselves. The difference with you is that you've actually taken money off people for a WSO that is totally worthless, and claim in this thread that you've been in IM for a year or so, but on your WSO thread state you're a 19 year veteran at it. Unbelievable!

      At the very least you should be banned, or there's no justice whatsoever and posters may as well have carte blanche to do what they want on here. In any other walk of life you'd be arrested and prosecuted for fraud.
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    You said...

    I only received 2 sales, and those were from my free coupons at Adwords.

    This is an indication that someting did work for you when you sold your own product using adwords.

    You need to figure out how much the coupons were worth and if you would have made a profit with your 2 sales.

    Make some changes to your sales process that will improve your conversion rate and then test again with the same size adwords campaign and see if you improve your number of sales.

    Your goal would be to make a profit and then you can scale up your adwords campaign to make more income.

    One product will not make a ton of income so you would need to create upsells and downsells along with backend promotions.

    Remember that these extra products do not have to be yours in the begining. Check out affiliate products that can work hand in hand with your product until you can create your own.

    The secret is to make changes and test and before you know it, you will have created a complete system that you can ramp up to make more.

    I hope this has been helpful,
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  • Profile picture of the author JanePlaten
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    Retrace your steps. Think about ALL of the things you need to do as a start up. Consider what you have done and try doing it the best way you possibly can. If you have not yet chosen a niche, if you keep going back and forth about what to do and trying a little bit of everything, then you never really invested in one direction. Find something small and stick to it like crazy.
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  • Profile picture of the author illiptic
    Pick ONE strategy and hammer that strategy until you get a result.

    HOWEVER.....be willing to be flexible.

    Something one of my mentors taught me: There is no such thing as failure...only feedback.

    When you do something that doesn't work, you are simply being informed: "This is not the right way to get the result you want"

    Change your approach and have another go. Rinse and repeat UNTIL YOU GET A RESULT.

    It is extremely important that you not only have a precisely detailed outcome (x amount of money in x amount of time) but that you DECIDE to be committed to that outcome until you get it...no matter how many times you have to "change your approach"

    This stuff is not for the faint of hard. It is not for people who are sensitive to "failure"

    It is however for people who say "I don't give a s&$# how many times I have to change my approach i WILL get my outcome!"

    Be that person and you are there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    I find it very strange, finding a work for you to do is not difficult, I am not sure what things you tried, but there is a wide area to get work. You can sell a product or services, if you are a good writting quailties and you know how to do market research ect then you can be a good writer for elance or odesk.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    Find a niche then put in a whole load of hard work.

    Maybe you haven't yet found your niche.

    But this business isn't for everyone. There are loads of other ways of making some extra cash.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gengis
    You saying you have acted on so many ideas tells me you jump from shiny object to shiny object and honestly this is a recipe for destruction.

    Stick to 1 thing and make it work.
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  • Profile picture of the author mianfarhanraza
    Stop thinking about money for a while or even IM. Have a personal space and think neutrally what would you have been doing if there was no money in the world and then go for it. Money will come your way.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    It sounds like you've tried a lot of things in a year.

    My view on that is that to become a good copywriter, for example, would take a lot longer than that. As would becoming a well known blogger.

    The only things that can get you short ins like that are paid methods, where you start small and scale up, such as PPC / PPV and to some extent list building.

    So my advice would simply be to focus on one thing. Find out what isn't working, and make it work.
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    What exactly did you try?
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  • Profile picture of the author icelandiana
    Originally Posted by dan11749 View Post

    Hello everyone. Thanks so much for deciding to look at my post.

    I have been involved in internet marketing for about a year or so. I have tried so many options and I cannot make anything work.

    I don't feel it would be helpful for anybody to hear a long story, so I'll keep it short. I have read read read so much and I have acted acted acted on so many different ideas. I simply cannot get anything to work.

    It's so frustrating because I'm passionate about IM. I enjoy it, and it's what I want to do. I consider myself a very intelligent and hard working person, which makes it even more discouraging and frustrating that I cannot make anything work.

    I am looking for ideas. I have all of the motivation in the world. Please, help a fellow warrior out.
    I know how you feel. Like they say over 90% don´t earn money . I´ve been in both Herbalife and Worldvenutres and have found it to become such a grind. But I also love th industry and the people. I finally found a fix. I can share it with you if you like. Don´t worry I´m not trying to gt you to join anything
    All the best
    Diana
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    It's hard to top the answers you've already been given...

    But in all honesty, you just gotta keep pushing on! I felt I started getting more direction when I started posting on forums and being more active.

    Marketing is a big component to internet success though so if you feel you've spent a lot of time working on products and websites on the back end but finding it hard to get traffic/sales. I suggest scrapping it all and learning marketing first!
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    $82,000 in 19 Days, Say What?!
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