SUBSCRIBED/UPVOTED - All ears... looking forward to this classroom!

If I may... I am going to break this down to stupid... what we are talking about here, is "Order of Operations" But before we can get to THAT... we have to transition from ideas to actions ( #3 in the video below ) Its the actual ACTION - and I will add right wrong or indifferent.. action outweighs thought all day long. Without action, there is not success nor failure... and from failure, and success to a degree, there is learning.

So "Order of Operation"... regardless of your action - what you are doing, the "Order of Operation" in anything and everything we do, is exactly the same - EXACTLY the same. There is NO order of difficulty... Granted, there maybe added steps.. but the flow is EXACTLY the same.

Building a house... first thing you do? Draw up plans, then dig a hole, and then set the foundation... Starting a business? Going to the store? ( write out a list.. drive to the store, buy the stuff go home, put away the stuff ) Waking up, going to bed? ( Im feeling tired.. take a shower brush your teeth, wash your face, put on PJ's fluff your pillow ) The EXACT same process, over and over.

The GREATEST issue is not in the idea of it all, its the ACTION - What can you do today, to make tomorrow better vs why do today, when you can do it tomorrow ( again #3 in the video below )

Planning as I have found in my life to be about maybe 5% of success. I more often than not will ACT first, and plan later - BUT I understand the Order of Operations... something as silly as wanting to grow micro greens for a pet rabbit quickly turned into a full blow operation... it wasnt planning that got me there, it was BLIND action following Order of Operation. I have X... is there demand for X? how to I scale X to meet demand? Execute scale of X. Planning in this scenario was 3 and 4 steps from the actual beginning... planning came AFTER action.

In Internet Marketing... whats the foundation? Lets refer to building a house... Foundation, Framing, closing it in, Mechanicals, windows, Drywall, exterior finishes, doors, interior finishes, exterior landscaping etc

Now lets place that in internet terms... foundation - Hosting. Framing - website platform say Wordpress - and picking a theme. Close it in - security, plugins etc. Mechanicals - Pages, Landers, E-mail list, navigation. Windows - instead of seeing out this is seeing in... SEO and linking from other platforms etc. Drywall - how the site looks on the inside.. colors and page layouts etc.

I think you get the idea... there is no difference in building a website than a house.. same order of operations... and again, no different that anything else. The process is actually the easy part - its the Do ING, the first step that is the block.. just get started - NOW - TODAY

So the video... When you here the words "History Repeats itself" this would be right in there with one of the best examples... Marcus Aurelius ( Roman Emperor ) from 2000+ yrs ago took power on the tail end of a Pandemic... how he grew himself and his nation from the worst of times... to literally the best of times in Roman Empire history... Im a fan of the "Stoic" philosophies.. very timeless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heh5XLwZVOY
Put people first... and everything else falls in place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpCBIF1Yl4k

Gordon - Harvey's story is EPIC!

There's too many coincidence's that have "triggered" much of these conversations, and it seems as if, everything that has been exchanged is actually beginning to shape my beliefs that the universe is OBEYING... I rarely look at the pursuit from that perspective, although my writings are usually more positive.

The "Toll Plaza" at Brody's level is genius - due to the fact, in building inground pools the guys that dug the pools for new construction would get paid to dig and haul away the dirt... then, they got paid to sell the dirt and dump it at the new location, all one TOLL PLAZA. (*That is much smaller example) - but the same concept.

Just as Savidge points out "Building a House" - "Order of Operations" and everything becomes synergized - even in the language I feel there is a CODE - a COMMAND of certain words... and I know the metaphors change, but not the inner-meaning (*educo - educate in Latin is to cultivate, nurture, draw out). Finally started to feel like all the hours, books, and studies are VALUABLE - I was seeing from like the Peterson video, the more you learn, the more questions arise, and again, that feeling of being ignorant surfaces (RESISTANCE).

I am also a fan of the Meditations, Stoics, Marcus, Seneca, Epictetus, and a lot philosophy, really - I listen to lectures from Michael Sugrue @ Princeton (Students pay to go there, I'm learning FREE on YouTube, LOL)

All who study... it really shows through those here who have already invested in those fields of study... I believe it comes with the territory. Pressfield's - reference to the Hero's Journey, his (9) Muses... Edward Cayce - Akashic records - Napoleon Hill - Conversations with 'Elders of a Gentle Race' - all of these brilliant minds... seem to carry the DESIRE (maybe OBSESSION) to learn but all seek the ROOT, the SEED and then... the RICH SOIL - other people's MINDS. So I truly appreciate learning of Harvey Brody teaching and the students he groomed for success, that is awesome!

And.. I did something since last year that I NEVER did... I always read and consume massive chunks of information, but never really read too many books. I got booted off FB (a couple times -oops) and made a commitment to "listen to an audiobook" each time - I think to have absorbed about 135 books (formed a new habit) in under 18 months, prior to that one jail sentence - with only maybe 20 books absorbed prior in my life - good ones, but something "clicked" since I listened to all those books... it's shaping something, for sure.

I just NEED to "Get the Work Done" - Normally, I am a machine when it comes to work, I've spent most of my life pulling 80-100 work weeks, so it's not laziness . I am spending that time writing, designing, and absorbing more content/books/teachings now, just NOT working productively.

I'll most definitely have more questions... once I process everything already posted. Which again, what a wild amount of knowledge just landed over the last couple months here, even just this week WOW - with what has already been shared - it's all connected... and it is ALL priceless!

Thanks for another insightful post GordonJ.

My 2C would be ― similar to what savidge4 said ― that without Action, nothing is going to happen. There's more to it than that though ... For example, a Person can take Action all day long, however without having certain Knowledge (etc) ― and having a solid plan ― they will find it much more difficult to succeed. (It's important to work "smart" as they say.)

Ultimately I think that success is the result of several things. The most important being:

1. Mindset(s) (And Beliefs etc.)
2. Education/Knowledge
3. Action.
4. Determination/Persistence

Just to clarify, I think maybe after reading the original post about Brody's "Toll Position" - I may have been "off the mark" after re-examining the manner he manufactured and distributed his product.

Unlike the example I used, it is brilliant that he found a niche that was probably far more versatile than he intended as it was mentioned he designed the Zoom Spout Oiler for typewriters and they are still flying off shelves today. (*in that small detail alone of someone becoming successful almost by accident, I can think of dozens of examples where something a creator did... served way more purpose than initially expected, like the book; "The War of Art" - as author the Steven Pressfield admitted, he was shocked it helped so many readers outside his intended target audience.

Something so simple...like a red straw on the WD-40 cans might make all the difference, and if I recall WD-40 wasn't exactly designed for many of the uses it can serve either, it started off in aerospace, and the first 39 formulas ALL FAILED!

I do understand Savidge's mindset - as many of the contractor's that I sub-contracted for were MACHINES - they NEVER stopped - many were stressed out - divorced - and from my perspective didn't seem ANY happier for their sacrifices of being married to their business. I was qualified in my early-mid 20's to get my state-wide contractors and had the people, money, and the necessary qualifiers to do just that... I saw my employers making damn good money - I decided against that path, based on observing the people I respected in my own industry - mostly all of them were indeed multi-millionaires. (*But, only ONE can I say appeared calm, happy, and had his business and family life balanced... the rest were a mess! - even as a sub-contractor, I was a mess too... 100 hour work weeks will do that to you!)

Savidge has what I initially thought I WANTED... whereas, I had hoped my wife, son, and daughters would share a vested interest in a FAMILY OWNED & OPERATED BUSINESS... that fizzled my momentum quite a bit, as they ARE NOT wired that way... nothing wrong with that. I see financial suicide in the equation though when I see what many earn annually - even now, as I am reframing my future.

Having set a goal at age 18 to be semi-retired and financially secure by age 45 (with a 5 year leniency either way) - It kills me, I missed my mark - I'll be 50 in 4 days! - It doesn't mean much to some having plans, goals, or a MOTIVE to do something... I see that in most people, as Earl Nightingale mentioned in his brilliance; "98% of men DO NOT have a clue what they want!" - let alone a financial goal.

Another perceptive view that may not validate any excuse is, if you do pursue your plan, goals, and have a financial goal and NOBODY in your family, company, or circle of friends (if you even have any real friends outside of work - as I rarely did) - then it forces a choice many would not make to change their circumstances, which would be by nearly every wise suggestion; separate the wheat from the chaff.

As far as my mistake of saying "Toll Plaza" -VS- "Toll Position" - after rereading Gordon's original post, it dawned on me that Brody's approach was outsource manufacturing on the front end, outsource distribution on the back end, and sit nested in the "sweet spot" collecting HIS CUT without having to be bogged down, burdened, or required to oversee, babysit, or manage many employees, if any at all... that is IMPRESSIVE - and screams total freedom!

Granted, not many of us here have the capacity to INVENT a product that sustains that type of success.. so, equal respect goes to my old contractors who churned 8-figures per year in a small local business with 10-15 people doing all the heavy lifting (employees and subs) and maybe the few 3rd party B2B people that handled architectural, accounting, fuduciaries, legal, and law related business tasks, etc..

I observed like a eagle sees its prey... I saw the entire industry in EVERY venture I have ever entered... even here, I see most of what is required to any of a dozen online business and see potential success in almost any one of those ventures...

The problem I suffer is outsourcing, hiring, firing, managing, and prefer doing the work, not all the other tasks required to make it all come together, which is daunting with learning basic tech, software, and being able to position, present, close, maintain, and follow-up with clients, buyers, customers, etc...

Finally... had a 2 hour pow-wow with my other half... she pulled out 13 pieces of stone jewelry she bought 6 months ago... she got these items for $5 each (or less) - she researched other sellers already and found people selling the same EXACT items on eBay - and other online stores who are asking $60 to $85 each.... same items.

Right there - she admitted she bought the stuff because she THOUGHT she could make MONEY online, but when probed - "well I don't have enough inventory yet and if I sell these even for $50 each - it takes up to 6 weeks to order more!"

Long story short... I soon as my work area is finished (rearranging my environment for WORK mindset) - those items are getting listed... and she agreed to HELP and LEARN to use a portion of the returns to reinvest... and grow from collector of JUNK ITEMS to a SELLER of those pretty things.

These items have been in the shipping box for 6 months... there's inventory RIGHT THERE!

I say it all the time... much of what we seek is; "Hidden in Plain Sight" - and I'm going to write with authority (no more hobby) - and help her build that business - cause her new job SUCKS, just like the last one... her words, not mine!

Savage

In your greenhouses what percent of the greenhouse is growing space and how much do you gross pers square foot of growing area. And do you have a sweet spot or preferred amount square footage to build a greenhouse. I'm interested in the environmental control you prefer as you build super energy efficient building.

Greenhouses and indoor growing of food is the thing I have the most interest in getting into from this point.


This thread is already packed with great information. Thank you both Gordon and savage

Savage

Thank you. I like the use of a fish pond as the water source. Not an aquponic system but partly.

After looking everywhere I could think of for Harvey Brody's course...I can't find it anywhere. Do you have a source?





I did find this article on The Toll Position by Dan Kennedy. I hope someone gets something out of it.


The Money Making Secret of "The Toll Booth Position

I'm a marketing consultant and at one of my client-companies, a company that, in less than 10 years, has gone from a $10 million to a $100 million dollar business one of the people I work with frequently has jokingly given herself the title, 'Vice President, Back-End.'

Although that clearly opens her up to be the butt of many jokes, it does very accurately describe her very, very important area of responsibility, in direct marketing parlance. At least 80% of the company's profitability depends on her contributions.

If the term "back-end" is new to you, it means everything you sell your customers after their initial purchase (that first order is called the "front-end"). For instance, let's say you sell instructional video tapes to golfers on how to play better. You advertise in golf magazines and your lead product is a $25 video on putting strategies. That's your "front-end" because that's what people buy first. But then once people purchase that first video, you send them a catalog offering them over 50 other golf videos ranging in price from $50 to $99. Those follow-on videos are your "back-end."

In many businesses, there is a relatively brief period of time during which there are significant, exciting profits on the front-end, that is the very first sale to a customer.

But that happy situation dissolves over time, as you "cream" the market. And, as you go deeper and deeper into a market, the cost of making the first sale (acquiring a customer) goes up and up. For instance, in the above example of the golf videos the first time you run a magazine ad you might pull 100 orders. But if you keep running it every month, your order volume will probably drop off steadily. Within six months, you'd be lucky to be selling 30 videos from the same ad in the same magazine. As some point, it gets so high it is no longer practical to advertise and sell that product to that market.

Nothing is forever. This fact of life is what mandates being smart about making all the money that you can from the back-end.

The good news is that your satisfied customers are probably willing to buy other things from you -- and they don't even have to be your own products/services. You can make deals with other companies to offer their products/services to your customers in exchange for a piece of the action.

For instance, let's go back to our example of the golf video company. You might do a "joint venture" with a manufacturer of special golf clubs which sell for $1,500 a set. You'll mail a letter to your customers telling them how well these clubs will improve their golf game and you'll get $750 on each order placed. If your customers trust you, they'll be much more likely to respond to your letter than they would be if the golf club manufacturer mailed to them directly.

Of course you only want to recommend high-quality products and services which will be of value to your customers. But you get the idea. You could make similar deals with other companies who sell what golfers want -- golf apparel, golf trip and excursion operators, even custom home builders who sell houses near golf courses. They'd all happily pay you a 'toll' commission to sell their wares to your customers.

No matter what your business, one of the most valuable assets you have is a list of satisfied customer, predisposed to buy from you again. When you control a sizable list of customers who bought from you, know your name/business name, are happy with what they bought and with the ensuing relationship ... and are pre-disposed to read your mail and buy from you again, it's like owning your own "toll booth."

A pioneer of direct marketing, Harvey Brody, taught me the power and value of getting into "The Toll Booth Position" and I've been teaching it for years. Imagine owning your own toll booth on the highway near your city. Anybody who wants to get to the other side of that toll booth has to pass through its gates and pay you money.

As the controller of a responsive customer list, that's exactly where you are; sitting there in your own toll booth and anybody who wants to get their appropriate product or service to those customers you control, has to pay you money.

You can collect a toll through joint ventures, as described above wherein you do an endorsed mailing to your customers and get a piece of all sales that result.

Or, if you build a list of 50,000 or more, through outright lists rentals. I have a number of clients who pay all their overhead expenses every year just with the checks they get from the list broker representing their list to others.

I have often paid others to pass through their toll booths ---and done so cheerfully. I have also been paid by others eager to get through my toll booth, to my customers, with my endorsement.

In the direct marketing business, it's a well-known fact that most of the profits is derived from back-end sales to existing customers. Yet outside that business, I rarely encounter a company which comes anywhere close to tapping the potential of establishing their own "toll booth position." Get started building yours right now and start charging others to go down your road.

Dan Kennedy is a marketing consultant and copywriter who helps entrepreneurs cut waste out of advertising, end cold prospecting, sell at prices higher than competitors and dramatically increase profits.The author of "No B.S. Business Success" and other books, as a speaker he has frequently appeared on programs with former U.S. Presidents, General Colin Powell, Larry King, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and Jim Rohn. For info on his monthly "No B.S. Marketing Letter" go to [http://www.DanKennedyLetter.com]


Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/3262

This thread is turning into one of the most valuable threads I have ever read on this forum. Savage may have accidentally pointed me at a business I want to get in.

What i see in thread after thread are quotes by 'famous' or 'motivational' people....discussions of how to think and how to prepare...future plans and more future plans. There is nothing wrong with that if that's what you do as long as you recognized THAT is what you do.


The 'formula' for succeeding in almost anything seems simple to me....decide what you want and do what it takes to get it.

Im going to throw a whole bunch of cards on the table...

I started my making money online career selling images on AOL.. the part I have never stated HERE ( WF ) is I was actually selling them for my then fiancé ( #1 ).

At some point after that I joined with 4 other friends and I was the back end programmer. It later tuned into doing SEO and some print related stuff etc. We ended up selling that business.

From there I spent a year helping another friend with back end programming. Turned his $100,000 a year business into $1,000,000 ( gross ) a month that he is still running to this day.

From there I jumped to big corporate SEO jobs... like BIG corporate jobs IE Record labels.

After that I then got into website development... and was doing WHALE jobs - as in nothing under $60K and was filling in the gaps with govt contracting for Fed Contracts ( Back end database programming )

In the middle of that I started developing sites locally - the place I lived had way to many restaurants and golf courses... and again it was easy fill in work. At some point in this I also made an investment in a large format printer and started that.

I moved with wife #3 ( not actually married but bought her a ring and house and car ( LOL ) and took a break from Computers, and started installing DirecTv - and at some point got my head "straight" and was chasing Whales again.

I finally jumped off of my programming high horse and started developing WordPress sites for local business. I then started offering SEO, and large format printing... and as time went on I added more and more services based on my past experience or current personal needs.

So here I am today running 18 business' technically - and I AM A SERVICE PROVIDER - nothing more and nothing less.

There is not a single professional effort on my part that has not been born from personal necessity - NOT A ONE. and what I mean by this... I was going to have 4 vehicles decaled, and some minor research I figured out I could buy the equipment to do this myself for the price of 1 vehicle. I started a greenhouse... that stemmed from growing herbs for my sons pet rabbits.

What drives all of this? when I "Buy" something... I am just wired to get a return on the investment... and its a game on how fast can I get the return of investment. 1st large format printer was 1 week and now I have 15 of them... the vinyl cutter was in the plus just doing my own work, but now I have 5 of them and a full time installer.

The greenhouse... $30 in parts and pieces turned into a 7 digit investment - because I had grown more than I could even think of using.

So what I am trying to say.. well maybe i did say without saying... is DO YOU...if you want or need... so will someone else... and more than likely so will 1,000,000 others just like you.

The whole find a niche and market research and all that BS... its just that, BS. Would you or better yet DID YOU buy what ever it is... then so will someone else. So SELL THAT.

Happiness comes from within right? and yet we are always looking outside of ourselves

Just DO YOU

So all this focus on mindset seems a bit off target. As the real mindset is the mindset to build a business around one's personality.

I was mistaken I thought the thing one enjoyed came first. But its self awareness or personality awareness.

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So I just saw this post today.

I really need to start exploring all the sections more I guess.

This is a great post Gordon...actually, it's probably one of the best ones I've seen in a long time.

Thanks for taking the time to post this. I love this kind of information

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I'm just glad I have a place to absorb all these brilliants minds, and get my azz kicked when needed.

My mindset wasn't dialed-in to the internet completely. Although, looking at the workforce - it's becoming more laser focused and I appreciate those who understand what it takes to make a living from a laptop or a computer.

Even savidge4 and Claude who clearly own offline businesses know a ton about selling, business, the process, and the FLOW...

I DO NOT want another business with a 'glass ceiling' or where I need employees to run the business. I expect to need customer service and maybe outsource some design, video, or other areas in the future that I may not be best suited to do myself online... but, employees, no way! (*I tried hiring people for 20 years and it was too much going out, too much distraction, and it broke my FLOW from getting things done.)

I broke down and got Thrive Themes and although I cursed that THING from here to Sweden and back after my purchase... *36 hours later - I custom designed a 3-page lander offering a FREE REPORT w/ email opt-in, confirm your email (*double-opt-in), and designed a cool download page with a UFO!

Now... here's the funny part, thanks to Gordon, savidge4, and others here... I think to have finally figured out WHY I struggled to get a funnel built prior, I work back-ass-wards...

The funnel is done... TESTED and working fluidly... YEAH! (*finally)

Once they opt-in, they're redirect to page 2. "Check Your Email" (matches design) and THEN... once they confirm their subscription AWeber redirects them to the download link page 3. (*It's not a secure Thank-You page, but I added a bunch of miscl. text and numbers to try to keep people honest, LOL.

BUT... here's the part that gets me, I haven't written one word in the report yet, because, now I am going to recreate the entire funnel step-by-step and document the whole PROCESS (now that I am confident it all works) - this way... later I can create a video series and sell that as an upsell, if they want the over the shoulder video training rather than the report.

Plus, Thrive has a cheesy Apprentice plugin that allows for secure content (training courses, etc.) so I might as well utilize it all.

It's like when I rebuilt my first V8 motor... I was excited and equally terrified! (*New territory) - but the next rebuild was 10x easier, after a few more tinkering's as a mechanic, the PROCESS became autonomous, or like Claude stated above; it becomes unconscious or 2nd nature... so, each funnel I build I now have a template to work from, whereas prior, I wasn't sure if it was going to work...like the first motor I rebuild. (*Which it did and it was a beast!)

I didn't document as I built it... because I was too busy cussing the software and trying to learn it, now that I know what to do... I can screen-shot and create a step-by-step process, because later, when I do write more reports or create digital info products, if someone doesn't have a clue how to build a funnel, build a list, or create a basic website... THIS REPORT will have it covered.

I know plenty of other people have videos, and teachings to just that - but, I need it for my future prospects and buyers, so I don't have to hold their hand, the report (and maybe a video walk through with a few modules) should solve that future problem...

So that's my mindset. I am too particular at times, especially when it comes to design, artwork, and creating eCovers and Photoshop stuff.. I love it, but I don't know if it is normal to spend 50 hours on a FREE 3D Report Cover... some might say I was wasting time?

Again... I don't have any of the content in the REPORT done yet - just the cover and dummy download PDF for testing the funnel - but, at least that part is done! LOL (*back-ass-wards, I guess. LOL)

I still don't even know if I like the cover?... (I have about 25 more already designed - for reports I haven't even written yet) - so I have been doing SOME of the WORK... but I need to finish one whole project - hopefully by next weekend's end!

Definitely struck some good points.

Yes, I am using pen name and trying to build brandable websites... as my "Exit Strategy" in the long-term.

The main site (*which I want to be my baby) - would be [cultivate wealth] and I understand what you are saying I am climbing an uphill battle trying to start an authority site in the business opportunities, health, and overall well-being niche markets... as I am not an expert, but they are the evergreen markets I keep being drawn to for some reason. (DOLLARS)

I feel to know enough to be ahead of a beginner, creeping up on being intermediate user of the net - I mean when I entered this forum, I barely knew how to create an email account, LOL.

As far as the FREE - yeah, I think you've shifted my focus away from that whole concept. I know that a lot of marketers build huge email lists and then "filter' their list to align their subs with offers they would most likely benefit from or at least be interested in... segment the list or put them in a niche-specific bucket.

I'm thinking more like a copywriter... everything becomes a CTA - I don't know with 100% assurance that I can align people with what they seek as an authority(?)- but the PLAN is to test offers - and get dollars coming in from affiliate offers - to give me more time and freedom to create Premium Reports, Mini-Courses, or build a body of written works... that is my real goal, to publish writings. At least that was what I aiming to be a well-paid writer... kind of expanded since I found this place.

See this is where the lines get blurry... the conversation throughout this thread has toggled (2) key points;

1.) You need to be passionate and "Do what you love"

Well.. I agree, why do something you hate doing?

But, the other...

2.) Provide what others seek - SELL SOLUTIONS = $$$$

So, I believe "helping others locate what they seek" could be the passion, and making money again - would be a nice side-effect!

So, whereas, a football coach can take his team to victory (he knows the playbook) - others would say; "You cannot coach if you haven't played football" - I disagree. I imagine if the coach is a retired player, it helps, but a passionate coach may have never played, just loved the game to become a winning coach.

Kind of like Charmin and Angel Soft... I don't think they are passionate about toilet paper - they solve a problem, sell solutions, and bank turning TP into DOLLARS.

I didn't realize until Gordon mentioned Bill Meyers selling those chicken coop designs, I'd heard about that exploding as niche in CB, not sure if that was Bill Meyers, but that churned millions in sales, whoever it was. After having built my wife a chicken coop (*she wanted peacocks - they HONK too much, LOL) - I learned real quick people who raise chickens... are fanatical over their chickens... it's like they are their children. (*I loved having them and cheaper eggs... but I don't really get mushy over chickens.) Blew my mind though, some of these niche markets - you'd never guess could be gold mines.

And... I am still trying to frame the authority site - the brand (or domain) sounds more like a financial consultancy firm than what I have in mind. Still a work-in-progress.

Art

This is the issue I have with teach what you want to learn. You are trying to build a site or something around cultivate wealth. When you have not yet done it. The majority of millionaires are over 60 their investments are mainly in real estate and most are aim California and New York City.

Gordon hit on the other way either creating or acquiring intellectual property.. but it really depends on how much yearly or monthly income you need.

Now this is a question for art. What do you define as wealth.

Now there is a lot of hidden wealth that does not show up in the figures but produces far more income than most well known asset classes

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odahh - in absolution, I have [cultivated wealth] for (lack of a better description) based on several factors, primarily the 38 years I have invested in WORK and Small Business - as most of those years were primarily service-based or self-employment and despite my current mental-state of affairs, I was actually very stimulated and happier back then... there is WEALTH in achievement or at least a sense of accomplishment. (*MONEY does help... I don't hold it as high up as savidge4 does, I really don't... I just want to be fishing more at 55... than I am right now at 50, LOL)

Granted, I didn't make 7-figures per year... (nowhere near that!) - I was happy billing/invoicing $100K per year and spending 25% - 35% to keep the difference back then... I mean with a 7th grade education, I felt like a rich fool back then.

That $100k today... would need to be at least $250K - $350K annual net invoice to sustain what I had 25 -30 years ago (2-1/2 acre property, home, kids, 10 pit bulls that ate very well, machinery, business expenses, business credit cards, daycare, etc., etc., etc.

How I define WEALTH = RESOURCES

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As socialentry states above: keeping up with inflation is ONE of my obsessions, as what once took 25% of one's income to afford housing & utilities - now costs the average employee 50% (or more) of their income - just in rent, elect, and basic utilities. - before all other business or living expenses. (*YES, I have always put business before living expenses, family, and even my kids... without it... I couldn't sustain the family without REVENUE/MONEY, so business always came first!)

What I was able to produce [cultivate] or tend to 25 years ago, and invoice $100K per year - used to run me 30% - 35% of TOTAL annual sales revenue, strictly for business expenses- and I invested way MORE FOCUS, TIME, ENERGY into my BUSINESS than I actually spent time with my children. (*Wife/other-half' worked by my side for 30+ years so we were/are LIFE & Business partners - and we ONLY ARGUE when there's no MONEY, LOL).

I don't regret that investment into prior businesses... though it sucks, I NOW wish to have pursued a different career path back then to avoid daycare costs (sometimes $2000 a MONTH) and the absence from spending MORE quality time with the kids The businesses I choose required 6-7 day work weeks or we'd have been in the poorhouse! (*I was middle-class, maybe not at the moment as socialentry points out!)

Inflation could be an entire TOPIC for another MINDSET thread... probably a deserving conversation at that! - I am forever changed by the speed to wit; costs and inflation have increased - while jobs, salaries, and most employee level gigs are nowhere near a living wage. (*I'm sincere in wanting for the underdogs to increase their positions, as well as increase my own well-being, respectively - I think they go hand-in-hand, it's all connected!)

I too agree to an extent with savidge4 - 99% WANT or NEED MORE MONEY... BUT what PEOPLE is directions, guidance, and the means to allocate, acquire, and (*if they are fortunate) SUSTAIN a steady FLOW of RESOURCES... new skill sets, paths, or opportunities. *Breaking routine, a whole-nother thread could be started on that MINDSET! (*It is hard to just stop DOING what I have always done for MONEY!)

The biggest mistake I made was having my MONEY tied-up in my business (*heavy equipment, trailers, trucks, tools, and necessities to conduct business, license, insurance, workman's comp exemption, legal bs, etc.) - and my home and property - which I foolishly LOST and REFUSED TO SELL - even with over $250K in equity at stake! Plus, like most jobs - I relied heavily upon contractors, clients, and homeowners to honor their word... you'd be surprised HOW MANY DO NOT honor their agreements, in the world or ARENAS I lived and fought in for 38 years!

(*I don't know about your world - but 'IF' YOU do not CONTROL the outcome, sale, goods, assets... that is a RISKY-BUSINESS - I made all those mistakes for too long!) - again, I cannot argue with all here who say; that was... MY DOING!

Even the INTERNET... what happens if it goes down, EMP, or some lunatic launches nukes... it's over for most business owner's online or offline (*maybe everybody, in the latter example)... even most cars run on computers nowadays. (*Too much dependency - not enough CONTROL over the tech) - I personally hate that about today's socio-economics, on the global scales.

I barely had ANY CONTROL(S) over my assets... the bank still owned the house - the tools and equipment were ONLY VALUABLE when I was operating those TOOLS. Sure there was some equitable asset value, but nothing compared to say...

The freedoms of buying a $300 Jon Boat + $100 repairs = $400 Total Asset Value... to explore;

*Commercial fishing and cast netting for *5.5 years - *chucking a cast net like a ninja in a perfect CIRCLE in some remote swamp in Florida to SELL $200K+ in edibles (FISH) may not be a huge yield... (*granted, other expenses were probably $50K over that period of time... gas, repairs, ins, taxable income, etc.) - I had to buy nets, most were fronted by the buyers who retailed to NY, England, Canada... I was HAPPY just getting PAID to FISH locally! (*The buyers were all millionaires... they retailed, we wholesaled.)

But the ROI - was HUGE as far as my initial INVESTMENT. (*Consistency sucked in that gig) - it was seasonal and unpredictable - every year was different.

So WEALTH doesn't have to be the DOLLAR amount to ME. Of course, I understand - MONEY is the primary source that people seek to BUY HAPPINESS... and yES, I am happier when bills are paid and their a little extra cheddar for NEW TOOLS... LOL. (*That's is about all I buy...tools)

But... tell a multi-millionaire dying of cancer or some incurable disease How Wealthy - she or he 'really is' and that MONEY cannot cure cancer or make Covid go awayper se... it may post-pone or delay the inevitable.

Granted, most people are "financing their dreams" and they're "in-debt" before they leave the driveway. Go buy a new car/truck to "get to work" and feel good every Saturday taking that baby to The Car Wash (like my son does) - or - getting it detailed (*if you can afford to pay someone else to do it) - and in REALITY...

That's NOT YOUR CAR... you just washed the BANK's CAR/TRUCK! (*If it isn't making more than costs - which most cars probably do have a 'positive investment' record, it doesn't justify 84 months with high interest, high insurance rates, and then gas prices OMG...shoot me already, LOL) - there is no way to CONTROL that!

Wealth is Resources > Abundant Valuable Materials > Possessions > Knowledge(maybe?) > Skill sets > in the Exchange of VALUE/money at market or in private.

Most people DO NOT OWN their assets... (*The bank's are doing a fine job managing most people's dreams) - but not INTEREST FREE!

To Cultivate > Nurture > Plant > Embed > Till > Ripe Seeds (ideas) > Rich Soil > *Other People's Minds> rich soil? > or barren waste lands?

IDK... how could I?) <--- This part is TRICKY! > Knowing where to plant those seeds (ideas) can make all the difference... I am tip-toeing on a tight-rope as we speak sorting the paths that I want to lay out my breadcrumbs for others to find and follow... if they choose to follow GREAT, if not, and I suck at this... well then, it's a numbers game, right? - I had better learn soon, or my retirement plan is VOID!

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So, in theory... I agree with the WANT people have for MONEY - although I see MONEY as merely (1) of a million+ RESOURCES available to WE the PEOPLE. Globally, some people/countries are more fortunate than others, of course... but I believe; the majority want the same things piece of mind, happiness, security, stability, and yes... financially too. (*But, not everyone want the responsibility or upkeep of 3 businesses and a huge home and/or property... some might just want an RV and freedom to travel and work remotely!)

Now... again, my passion isn't vacuum cleaners, growing lettuce in pods, or chicken coops...

It would center more upon aligning people with MORE RESOURCES as that is WHAT I really study... it sounds [ethical and efficient] enough for me... 'IF' you can help them either acquire more resources for LESS MONEY... or... You can align them with MORE MONEY to BUY themselves HAPPY-NESS as savidge4 defined... YOU GET PAID! (*Win/Win)

Not to revisit the past (as I am about over it) my kid thought he could BUY HAPPY - and guess what... I GUARANTEE his purchase DID NOT sustain any measure of HAPPY - he got some new toys, a new whip, and a $30K DEBT to show for it.

Now... he's right back to BROKE - has more DEBT than paycheck. He works at Pet Cemetery selling crickets for $350 week... and without his GF, he cannot afford 75% of what he is struggling to maintain now that he upgraded his living quarters, ride, and spoils... before investing or making money with the money he received from a lucky car accident. Honestly, he could've died in that car accident, it was pretty bad - I am glad he didn't, but it about 'killed me' to witness how little he has learned about life, business, money, responsibility, respect, etc. at 28-years old (?) - archetype misfire on the DNA strand, hell if I know?

I would bet... $10K in test ads to a decent landing (Butter page) linked to an affiliate offer... could've made that boy enough to retire in 5-10 years... OK, I cannot prove that, so it is a bit of a blanket statement - but I know how they target audiences and can find and recreate an ad when FUNDS permit, and damn sure bet it pays better than Crickets-R-US.

People might only "SEE YOU" where you are right now... that is normal. People are quick to judge, slow to trust (if ever), and if MONEY is involved; you almost have to be SAVAGE to protect your own interest and well-being( pun intended)... I try to be fair with people, and get bitten often (and a little bitter) when people dismiss INTEGRITY for MONEY - that's not good business or good practice, in IMHO.

I see the OTHERSIDE of the canyon... all I need is the right crossing (a bridge) to get there... yes, it's a pursuit - as I believe defines SUCCESS like Earl Nightingale:

"Success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal."

So [cultivate wealth] is by definition; "planting ripe seeds in rich soil... to help align people with resources" (*yes, make more MONEY or whatever you deem worthy of your ideal pursuits!)... the PLAN is intended to supplant fresh ideas (ripe seeds) in visitor's minds rich soil? or Am I cultivating barren soil? - that I cannot know, 98% are likely barren, according to statistical data, included wise people here who agree 98% do nothing!

Ripe N' Juicy (again, SEEDS) another domain I intend to connect to the network - may be/become the mechanics site: blog, newsletter, free here's How this works - step-by-step... want more? - buy the Mini-Course ONLY $97 one-time payment! (*60 Day Money-Back Guarantee - *Pay Affiliates, or crawl through SEO and/or Organic traffic hell trying to get visitors/subs... or... alternatively BUY & TEST TRAFFIC!) <--- That MONEY!!!

I aiming at EXISTING TRAFFIC Sources since I cannot afford ads or a year to build a decent following... (*And, NO - I don't have a worthy product YET) - but NEVER discount what may transpire... especially, when we have 1000's of people doing JUST THAT - creating and selling digital products, courses, books, training, coaching, seminars, ever-webinars, and teaching EVERY micro-niche involved in that entire automated sales funnel process... Email Marketing actually being ONE of those strategies and business models as well... and using affiliates to generate sales, less 50% (or whatever you offer them) on the backend. You have to be/become a vendor and know your shit, no doubt.

If you can Webmaster the entire thing... You have me beat, no doubt... but I am creeping up on the WHOLE THING, not just one micro niche. Although the "products" will be "TARGETED" at specific "EXISTING MARKETS" and there are experts everywhere... like Henry Ford, I don't need to be the EXPERT - I need to associate, affiliate, and crack a syndicated network, respectively selling the vehicle, fuel, replacement parts, solutions, etc.... as a solopreneur, preferably!

Awesome > Buy my advanced Mini-Course, report, Hot Sheet, Book, Time, Energy, Knowledge, Skill Sets, Expertise... or... buy the latest and greatest revolutionary traffic building strategy from my friend; Joe EXPERT! (*and make the commissions.)

So you got me... I don't play football, but I know most of their playbook!

Same with Internet Marketing... I certainly wouldn't want to challenge savidge4 at building websites - SEO - or - even selling 4000 websites per year... anymore than I want to compete against Claude selling vacuums and household accessories - or - over-step my copywriting passions against Gordon's knowledge of direct response marketing...

But...all the same, How do we LEARN?

How did you LEARN to do your last JOB?

By DOING... TRUE.

BUT... You were shown the WAY to "DO IT" by someone else.

If, I sincerely dig deep in research (*which I often obsess and over-think) and use Click Funnels entire business model (which I loosely followed Russell since Ripplin' went belly-up, bloated, and floated like a vole in a swimming pool) - I can tell YOU with CONFIDENCE...

HE TEACHES PEOPLE... Mirror, Model, Frame, Emulate, and to an extent COPY (*not STEAL, plagiarize, or rob someone else's entire funnel system) - but "IF" you look at Russell Brunson and CF's - (*I'm sure most here are familiar with SaaS - all-in-one PLATFORMS)... dude went from a $1M dollar debt to the IRS - to CF being in the range of what; $500M? (or sumfin like that, WOW) - I am not trying to build that!

How many 2-Comma-Club awards has he AWARDED his faithful TRIBESMEN and WOMEN?

Quite a few... started at ZERO... Built authority by triangulating a FEW experts, viola' - grandslam, tapped the oil well as Frank Kern mentions in hid video; "Don't Be a P*ssy!"

Here you have savideg4 contributed a $40 eBay thread - TEACHING eBay to the tune of a potential 5,6, or 7 figures right here by savidge4 - who either LEARNED IT by DOING IT - but... first they (most likely) studied, researched, or crossed paths with someone who was already teaching how to do eBay...

Gordon all but gave away the free resources to start selling reports and finding niche markets, inexpensive (if not 100% free resources) to sell something online.

Everybody here... tries to contribute to helping others escape the MINDSET or ruts of being stuck or bogged down in the habitual routines, etc...

So... while I may not be as savvy as say a seasoned programmer, I know the language stems from the [Root] or Source and then breadcrumbs forward or expands out from their containers like (Web Flow or most page builders, etc.) - much like every language - be it music, writing, visual, audio... or writing code, binary, WP, programming, or edgewise. The root is the key, the SOURCE... find the root, find the source (preferably a wise teacher) and DO THE WORK.

I DO NOT CURRENTLY have a HUGE EMAIL LIST... but, I can tell savidge4's business model DOES NOT rely too heavily on "Email Marketing Strategies" which I am in the thick of studying... because, I can OWN MY LISTS - and NOT RELY on FB, Social Media, YouTube, or even a SaaS networks (or all-in-one solution) to manage my entire business with their hosting, builders, autoresponder, etc... takes away my CONTROLS - if ONE thing breaks... the WHOLE bottom falls out, I don't like that idea, and it's cheaper to piece it together yourself.

As a (wannabe?) professional writer... sending messages to those who may (or may not) benefit from my ability to align (COMMUNICATE: "Hey look at this... just what you were looking for 'Click-Here' and... ALIGN them with RESOURCES.

Money being only ONE of a million ways to bring value to the exchange... I prefer understanding, knowledge, and wisdom over MONEY... call me ignorant, but that's exactly [WHY] 'I' got online, as I felt under-educated - money is only the side-effect of one's knowledge, skills, and abilities... not the DRIVER! (*It buys the fuel, so it is definitely a requirement indeed to make most transactions, outside of trading, bartering, ad swaps, or the likes).

RESOURCES = WEALTH... money is most definitely high up on most people's list,,, and true 99% "DO NOT earn $625,000 per household annual income to touch the "Bottom Rung of The Top 1% Ladder" - but give them a lottery ticket and watch how fast the MAJORITY would BLOW IT... and *5-10 years the majority of lottery winners wind-up being right back being broke or financially limited.

Listen, I am NO SAINT and I am not a martyr (*not yet anyways)... I'm neither against MONEY - nor suffering ANY delusions of grandeur as to what I might accomplish entering a NEW ARENA armed only with my past experience in service-based business models - I have about 5 years TOTAL invested on/off with IM stuff... (*not 11 years - since I 1st joined WF and began examining Internet Marketing strategies and business models) - I can name people that are considered experts in nearly any aspect of IM, and probable a few hundred non-IM related markets... because I have researched extensively, maybe too much!

So... I would say I know more about Internet Marketing than most people I know or meet offline... nobody I know even speaks the internet language we use in these types of circles, which DOES RE-MIND me that just because I know a little about X, Y, or Z may not make me the expert... but if I target beginners - not advanced IM Warriors... I may do alright and work my credibility into those circles...after all, they already have EXISTING TRAFFIC... and it has been said; "You only need to said a few steps ahead of your adience, right?"

See... I am looking at this from a heightened perspective, I see the whole of the industry, now I have to practice (DOING THE WORK) and build the f'ing thing already!

Unlike Gordon, savidge4, Claude... No I am NOT TOO COMFORTABLE in ANY of this environment yet... I am equally excited and terrified simultaneously, must be the right path!

Who do I WANT to emulate and try my hand at???

Gordon's a writer, direct response marketer, and more... definitely respect him.

Savidge4 is more an INVESTOR - business minded gent, web designer, programmer, and more respectively.

Claude's a brilliant store owner, salesman, and a published writer, much respect!

*WE (*the disciples of YOU marketing gods) cannot be all-the-above overnight multi-faceted experts -or- possibly produce ANY measurable comparison to those who have already established themselves as the (3) examples above. But, I am still cherry picking like a guy ready to sell cherries to Baskin and Robbins, on a Sunday! LOL.

Everything roots back to THOSE PRIOR (*unless you innovate, invent, and are true genius) and even 'genius' derives from the Latin word; generate, which shares a room with educate or "Educo - "I lead, draw, or take out, forth or away!"

TLDR; Summary... [cultivate] Ripe Seeds [wealth] Rich Minds = (Storehouses)... RESOURCES!!!

Resources don't matter much if you do not have the ability to turn them into useable products to sell . Or an income from leasing them to those who can turn those resources into profit.

If you ever cultivated real wealth. You would not be thinking exit strategy you would be talking about creating or acquiring new more wealth.

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Art

Come on your part pool cleaning company was your idea of a success. The fishing thin again your version of success. As long as you are making money and not punching a time card for an employer. Even if you would make far more money. That is your success.

I'm stubborn total time put in has to beat current minimum wage or give you skills that can earn far more than minimum wage. Or it is not a success.

Evry time I look in on this post it is awash with more quality stuff.

Kinda like the ultimate hair volumizin' accessory pack gonna take you from lank to swanky in a flash.

I don't think rock bottom is the actual turning point because a number of people hit rock bottom and bounce around there the rest of their lives.

And you people don't have to hit rock bottom. Now in my view . An individual has to both get fed up or disgusted with a situation and accept only they can change things for the better. There are a lot of people waiting to be saved from some outside force.

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As Claude mentioned above with "bailing people out" or "loaning a family member money" - I have experienced similar events in my past - whereas, I rarely seek or ask anyone for outside help, especially, financially. And, in the EVENT that I needed help, asked for help, or reached the 'bottom' to resort to seeking help from outside sources... my personal experiences have dictated that NOBODY wants to 'enable anyone' more than themselves...

The forfeiture of human decency seems greater TODAY - RIGT NOW than the prior integrity, grit, and honor systems we ONCE UPON a TIME upheld.

The division is thick amongst the tribes, so to speak.

We CONTROL NOTHING (outside ourselves) as Joseph Campbell, Alan Watts, Jordan Peterson, Nietzsche, Jung, Kant, Kissinger...

All these "polar opposites" and brilliant minds... neither 100% right or wrong... and yet, our BIAS shows in the manner we communicate, conduct business, work, and play... (*I can identify IT in peoples FB posts, comments, and HOW they communicate) doesn't make me any more a cultivator for holding onto all my seeds (ideas).... but, 1 acorn can produce 1000 forests... so, I need to plant more than my @$$ - or my storehouse will go bare!

My biggest regret - having not had more time to really travel, investigate, research, and study all the brilliant minds in a multitude of 'cultures outside' of my own (IN)formal education, upbringing, and the influences that remain externally evident - WE as a whole refute the ideology WE are all CONNECTED... in search of the FOREVER promised: independence, liberty, justice, and FREEDOMS that in essence -- do exist, but not in REALITY, as they are ALL metaphors and cannot be taken literally!

Good luck trying to teach it, sell it, or position yourself as an expert in such fields of study... although, I do not discount the fact; plenty of others have established more VALUE after their death than some do in their entire lifetimes... I reside in the latter - having yet to produce something that will sustain after my departure from this body of..... WORK?

IDK... not even sure WHY(?) - I would care enough to want to leave an inheritance for the next, when the inheritance we ALL share is ACCESS to a LIBRARY of KNOWLEDGE... and yet, so few recognize the POWER it contains, and even I have to admit; "I am NOT using the knowledge properly!"

I MISS writing INVOICES!!!! - once upon a time, even just 3-5 invoices per week made ME happy...

Today, I don't know if WE should be studying surviving an EMP or living through a NUKE?

The news is seldom good... we are DRAWN to the negative by nature as a survival mechanism, and yet - those mature enough understand that there needs to be a balance, ANY shift too far to one extreme or the other... seldom ends well for the individual and contributes very little to the whole - IF YOU sincerely believe we are all connected...

Then WHY are the LINES drawn so ONE-SIDED?

Not trying to tackle the world or set ablaze the structured system(s) - but, as Gordon, savidge4, Claude, and others here ALL seem to agree - WE all want to ESCAPE some form of limitation, oppression, or financial WOES...

And, I wrote this on my desk in 6th or 7th grade...

How MUCH is ENOUGH? (with the words wrapped around a dollar symbol).

Billionaires... still WANT or NEED more MONEY?

No they WANT CONTROL!

So do I, but that's an EXTREME - I cannot fathom.

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Claude

You hit an important point without realizing it. Poor people accept earning a small amount of money. But also have expensive bad habits. Like smoking and playing lotto scratch offers. Or pot some illegal drug or alcohol. Then if they take a vacation it's to Las Vegas they either spend a year Savin up or spoken a year paying off. Then there are payday loans or high interest car payments. And car insurance.

Then there is a list of ways to waste money. But that represents a great way to earn money when 90 percent of the people who buy your products will not use them at all or all that much

Think about fitness club memberships or streaming services

Art

I said income from wealth or assets. Is taxed lower than income earned from wages. Self employed are still basically working for wages and getting to pay all the taxes that the employers usually pay that employees don't see. All the safety net stuff that makes American workers more and more expensive and is behind outsourcing and the gig economy.


And read what I said I said income from wealth is taxed at lower rates than income from wages. Much of the wealth in the USA is in real estate. Which is taxed differently. Then you get into capital gains

A very wealthy person does not doesn't need to realize a huge amount of income. They are able to borrow against the assets they have at very low interest rates to acquire more assets.


Elon musk could have done that when he he had to cash in some of his stock options. But bye selling a large amount of his shares at a high price. He lowered the value of the stock so when he cashed in the options a for millions of shares there was a tax savings . It complex.

Savage

The people who believe wealth can be redistributed. See to think because Elon has a current net worth of250 billion dollars. He has that much cash to take and redistribute. We both know that is not true . But it is nearly impossible to explain it .

There is a lot of hidden wealth in the world and half of the money that changes hand outside of the USA is in the shadow economy. All cash black market. But asset holders tend to greatly reduce the value of their asset. Until they are talking to a real buyer.

I have a weird way of looking at things though. I don't care about how many people work for Amazon or how much they make if you don't factor in the millions of people running businesses through Amazon who would never be able to run a business. Air bnb Craig's list. Facebook marketplace Instagram YouTube.

You mentioned people not having bank accounts. Labor pools and fast food companies and many others no long issue checks it is either direct deposit or pay cards. And 50 percent of the people in the USA don't make enough to pay taxes or are on fixed income that does not get taxed.

That is one thing that gets left out of the income inequality garbage.33 percent of the population receives some money from the government that they will lose if the earn to much.

People put a lot more effort into protecting what they already have than into getting more


It's not a pride thing but I have no interest in living on hand outs I need to beg the government for . The mechanism of redistribution is great for employing large numbers of people.

If you didn't tax people who made under 25,000 a year and. The simplified the tax code so it's the irs that sends people the list of everything that was reported to the irs . And the irs figured out the taxes . So the person just has to sign and verify. But that would put most of the tax preparation services out of business.

All I know is, the only time I benefit from trickle down is when I pee musself aftah too many cocktails -- which, as a Princess, I can assure you only happens metaphorically.

More likely, what we seein' is whooshyin' aside ...

into (most observably) yachts, level ups for doobious crank ventyoores beneficial to the Whooshy Asidah an' his/her/its pet mania fetish, an' underground bunkahs for aftah money don't actschwlly mattah no more ha ha frickin' ha.

Meantimes, most evrywan else fightin' ovah scraps.

So why we payin' tax anyways?

Accordin' to recent potential evidence, very soon .

They ain't screened for NUTHIN' -- speshly who their parents are.

So they bust out.

Into your tax system.

As unwanted shibboleths, screamin' "FEED ME."

Gotta figure always evry hooman may not always command immediate perfection of circumstance.

I am happy to send you this message, an' I trust so muh very fingers always to hack out this kinda shit.

But naht evrywan can command immediate perfection of circumstance like Moi.

So what defines choice?

'bout how the MuskyBezosphere may wish to elevate hoomankind once they fixed the nouveau roof?

'bout how the reality compromised may co-exist with the abler-than-thou?

'bout how sales depend on CHOICE? Of a Pro- vs Conscripted natyoore?

What is so precious
you would clutch it
to your heart
an' deny all others
its glories?

Why I sayin' this?

Bcs the bedrock of all promo is communion with all in the loop.

So what fyootyoore might you wish to advance if'n the loop suddnly around yr neck?

What is Desirable in any noo epoch?

Princess

You asked a great question. Why do we pay taxes.

In a country that has in its mythology that it was founded over taxes that the mythology leaves out only effected the rich. Who where those who built wealth here. In the time colonies.

Why in the country that was founded by a those at the time built wealth. Does the tax policy do favor those who build wealth now


90 percent of wealth built by one generation is squandered by the next two generations. So the government knows it will get its money eventually.

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Gordon

I want a clothes washer that washes clothes and see no need to have it hooked up to the internet of things. I'm one person i can get by with a 100 dollar portable washing machine and a clothes line or mini dryer that costs a few hundred.

I want a mini house between 500-1000 sq ft that I can use a mini split air conditioner to cool. I want a place to live I'm not interested in it as some kind of investment. If I can run it off renewable power and build it with little or no debt. Then have enough land to grow much of my own food. Or a greenhouse to grow all year and set it up to have most of my living area as well. Add an electric vehicle I can charge with the solar system. And I'm not very tech savvy but is there a way to use the car battery as a battery store for the home.

I'm not in a hurry trying to earn money to stuff in a retirement plan or the stock market for that time after I turn 70 where I retire. Then hope the money does not run out before my time on this earth runs out.

I have been moving around the last seven years trying to find the climate conditions that suit me. The 25 year old me wanted to live close to a beach in a tropical country. The 44 year old me hates humidity and the weather changes in that climate. 100 plus degree dry desert weather most of the year is preferred. So it's now about what is appropriate for the type of lifestyle I want if I live in a desert.

There is what people want based of dreams and one night stand /vacation /and sip testing. But the reality change when it becomes part of day to day life and a wider range of experience.

If people are not sure what they want they need to start exploring different experiences good and bad and find out what they prefer

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Gordon

A house between 500 square feet and 1000 square feet. 1 floor. Bedroom kitchen and bathroom with steam shower. Several acres of land.

Navaho county where the tiny home community your talking about is and Cochise county one of those is probably where I will end up as they have both large tracks of cheap land and open building codes that allow for smaller houses and 300 days of sunshine.

I'm working again and will probably head to live in Las Vegas while I earn the money to buy the land in Arizona. A lot more ways to get off the street fast in Las Vegas

The boxable tiny house or an a frame maybe even a dome . Hell is set a small bed up in a corner of the greenhouse and then have an event for company to sleep in. Now I would buy new insulated containers to convert into rooms. Over time .

My goals have manly been health an mental stability. In a world that told me to just take medications and get a disability check. So that has been the main reason for the zigzagging. In my case.

I do need to get my blood pressure down but getting in a place where I can have a cpap machine. I am at the point where I have enough personal data that I can make plan I want the next 35 years to be a lot better than the last40

I need to find a way to make money I enjoy. Personally if I go the house on wheels route I'd convert an old school bus

Many of you seasoned successful people did your zigzagging and exploring in your late teens early twenties

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Harvey imagines a giant magnet under the table which he controls, and on top are the iron filings he wants to shape into a a beneficial conclusion.

In order to do that, he has to know what the conclusion would be, one that HE can live with, and one that allows him control.

All too often, especially at start-up or expansion, an Entrepreneur might do a deal which turns into a big headache or even a nightmare. It is a common mistake, because, these people don't have the ability to walk away from the table...

and the other side knows it. See, THEY have all the power.

Using the magnet under the table along with a known outcome, gives you the power, and as long as you can walk away without a deal, then you do have the power or can tilt the table in your favor.

One example of this is a newbie copywriter or IMer may do a deal with a big marketing company and they have included an indemnification clause buried on page 3, paragraph 5 d...

hidden in plain sight.

And how this clause is structured and agreed upon could leave the copywriter on the hook for any legal claims regarding intellectual property violations (copyright, trademark or plagerism)...and litigation is NOT what you want.

Just one of many such clauses which lets the BIG off the hook, cause their lawyers are smarter than yours.

So, imagine a magnet under the table the next time you are across the desk, and ask yourself what EXACTLY is the outcome you want, and how can you manipulate the iron filings to align with that outcome.

Mindset.

GordonJ

Gotta figure who might be a fyootyoore gene splice zillionaire.

Mebbe she take Bezos' pop-eyed sparkle ... combine it with the weirdsy Musk water retention complexion ... an' top off the whole affair with Gates' infinitely circulah ability to p*ss most evrywan.

I know we gaht already, but is is fun to reinvent the wheel sumtimes -- even if only for amphibian means of bustin' outta the pond.

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As Gordon stated above, most the successful people I have ever met, seldom (if ever) shy away from being calculated risk takers. Taking risk and making informed calculated risks being very different from one another.

As we grow older, the ability to take on more risk seems to shrink as health issues often increase, energy starts to decrease, and our human conditioning (stubbornness, LOL) all become factors, and I am certainly not innocent from ANY of these realities, personally.

Clearly, I would prefer to be writing full-time and here I am jumping off into another business model that I have had some success with in the past, as more of a hobby than a full-time gig. And, as Gordon stated; I am doing the ONE to fuel another ambition, largely due to having grown bitter with my old methods of earning a living, and the reliance on others to sustain in those industries. So, the hate of the JOB - I used to love, has moved the needle to other risks and hopefully rewards.

Admittedly, changing careers at 50 years old, almost feels insane - and yet, I love the fact that doing something completely random with NO CLIENT(s) or EMPLOYER is the thing that drives me to explore beyond the mediocrity of knowing beforehand - most jobs 'will not' provide financial comfort is enough for me to study the risks, make a few calculated decisions, and pursue opportunities that many will not dedicate to long enough to sustain any real success, as most entrepreneurs that I know... they work non-stop, if not physically, then mentally! (*if not both!)

I think the problem for most (and myself) often falls under the reality, all business requires disciplines and even though most people can be taught to perform a variety of duties in a relatively short period of time and sustain a job, most do not want the risk, responsibility, or repercussions of FAILURE - and I could be wrong, but entrepreneurs almost seem to feed on failure - until they succeed! Whereas, many fall prey to failure and surrender.

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What boggles me. I don't have extravagant keeping needs the world wants to make what I want cost 400 percent or more what it would have cost 20 years ago while offering less money for the jobs I can get.

I literally can't make enough at any job I can find at this point to pay my keep. It's not the job people would happily do a number of shitty jobs if the pay was enough to have a comfortable lifestyle.

It the workers who messed it up though having politicians pass laws to have employers take care of things that should have come out of the employees pocket.. while letting taxes go up on everything. It what some part of this month where everything that a wage earner has made has gone to some tax and they are now earning money for themselves.

It the very handouts people want that are making life so difficult and work so miserable. While keeping wages low.


Besides fixing my health I'm as interested in stepping out of the cycle so inflation doesn't hurt me or just hedging using technology to reduce the cost of the things I use on a regular basis. Getting my health in control I have an expected natural life span of another 35-50 years

So my mindset is how do I position myself now in the next few years to be reduced costs for almost everything i need in the next 30

Just walked by and had a look. I'm not really interested in a cute hand crafted recreational vehicle. Which is basically what tiny houses are.

2 hours away from Las Vegas is kingman Arizona/ Mohave county. Land runs under $1,000 an acre and if you put a septic system in you can build a house on a foundation as small as like 250 square feet..

I can build something much nicer in the future just get the basic starting house out of the way. So I'm not paying 1500 a month rent.

It foundational not permanent I can build on more luxury over time.

The living situation I was in in Tampa I got right into something similar but much better run here's in Las Vegas.and it something I was planning on building on the land I get. Basically a large roof several thousand square feet no walls

I don't mind being outside during the day in 100 plus degree low humidity conditions as long as I am in the shade. At night though I really want to be in air conditioning when I sleep

In any case I might be perfectly happy with spartan living conditions. But manic there is one thing driving me to improve its food I want to eat the best food or just even simple and tasty made with fresh ingredients..

I'm not much of a food critic I am more a promoter and entertainer. So if I can develop some business here in Las Vegas that let's me eat the foods I have been dreaming about.

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I'm in Las Vegas this place has money flowing everywhere in all kinds of ways. I find some legal way to get what I need to get the things I want

Savage you put these innovations together to create businesses. The capital intensive innovations are on thing. But the number of low capital innovations some you tapped into for your greenhouse systems. That then have a way to the wider market around the corporate choke points that slowed innovation in the past.

It's a great time to be alive

Accept in the education system there is innovations in nearly everything else but like the current grid the path of innovations means neither will be needed in a decade

I the300 square foot mini house is great for today but 5 to ten years from now I'll get a 3000 square foot house 3 d printed on site for a fraction of what it costs to build today. And by the super capacitors will be in the frame of the house. An the battery in the electric vehicle will be the only backup battery needed

Ione thing I am seeing as I travel around is an attempt to build a floor that will allow those who want to to get back on their feet pretty rapidly. And accommodate those who just don't actually want to be in a house or apartment for what ever reason but get them off the street

What ever economic troubles we are going through all these innovations will lead to a more individual based as much prosperity as you really want system.

With all the innovations going on there will be a basic level of comfort available to everyone. Aka the great reset. Then if you want more you work for it.

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Savage it not about scale. I can't get any to understand. So I just want my small house in the desert where I just get left the hell alone

Success fail poor rich .

It all does not matter I don't want to play the game of trying to keep up or get ahead in this modern world. When the technology we have now could provide a basic level of comfort.

I might as well just start telling people I have been on a path of enlightenment and now I'm just trying to build my hermetage in the desert

I don't know how the green factor of concrete is worked out. I do know it better to use concrete building in the desert. Properly designed it will have low maintenance costs for decades and cost less to heat and cool and is more resistant to flooding and fires.

I have arthritis in my hands when I have a home I like made bread . So I opt for a bread machine. Not to get in the bread machine flipping business or to sell bread.

But because I want bread. The kind of house I want to live in not an asset or investment or I want a small house because that is what I need and really desire.

I am not interested in doing what I am doing to be green. Energy prices for electricity gasoline and heating houses has gone up my entire life food prices have gone up my entire life housing and rental prices have gone up health care.

While technology has constantly gone down and is at the point I can use inexpensive technology to produce things at a small scale that costs less than mass produced items. And is also more inline with my tastes.

You seasoned successful people got ahead of the increasing prices and invested in things that increase in value as prices rose so you benefited from inflation.

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This is all very interesting Gordon, but what are you driving at?

Do you want to start your own business?
Are you already doing something you want to scale?
I'm with savidge4 - action is all that matters.

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I love your thread here guys very informative.

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Thing 'bout clouds is, you can always gaze up an' see 'em gowin' ovah.

Less'n it is total gray or the sun is frickin' evrywhere or nuthin'.

An' you would wish for that kinda pulse 'bout your ass & kinda evrywan's ass.

Myootably natchry emergent -- worthy of any horizon.

The Perfect Cloud nevah evah looked nuthin' like anythin' you would evah recognise actshwlly.

An' long may this remain cirruso.

Cumulonimbuso.

Nimbulustratuso.

Altostratuso.

Altocumuluso.

JEEZIS FFS IS THIS SUM KINDA CONSPIRACY???

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