You've really opened up a real complicated can of worms, but to some extent I agree with you, but it's hard to put into words exactly why this is so.

Belief system is important; however the "secret" is missing one fundamental ingredient... ACTION.

I think the law of consistent time and energy is more relevant to what we do.

-ALL HARD WORK LEADS TO A PROFIT.

I guess the biggest proof of this entire thing was when Hale mentioned this...

He asked, "Okay, if you're in control of your destiny (as stated by The Secret), then tell me...What is your next thought going to be?"

This completely blew my mind. For the first time, I realized I WASN'T in control of my own actions, they arise SPONTANEOUSLY! Holy crap!

Wanting a goal that you take no action on obtaining is pointless, so if that is what you are trying to say, then I agree. You got to put your desires into action, in order to get what you want.

How do I get a nice house without....wanting a nice house? The theory of nonattachment/letting go/etc. is so very irritating on that level lol. I want some roses.....so I tell myself to not want roses? And it seems such an emotionless state too, no desires...no wants....

And if you aren't in control of your actions because they rise spontaneously....who IS in control?

I'm quite interested in this subject area but I can't seem to grasp it to my satisfaction.

1.This belongs in off-topic.
2.The Secret DOES suck, it speaks nothing of the ACTION required for any kind of success. Thoughts alone won't get you anything.
3. Whatever the "Sedona" method is, it sounds completely ridiculous. You want something, so you just say to yourself "Meh, who cares about that"?! Really? So you lie to your self, try to ignore what you want, and just let whatever happens happen? Call me crazy, but I think KNOWING what you want, focusing on getting it, then setting up a plan of action and taking the needed steps every day is a much better option than willful ignorance.

Most of that spiritual prosperity stuff is useless in terms of
getting money unless you have the discipline set up a
system for collecting the money and the insight and
skill to sell something that has a wide appeal or a narrow
appeal and high-profit an/or transaction size, and a profitably
reachable market.

With those requirements, it's no wonder so many people
get it wrong the first few tries. Many give up too early
and with too little insight into the marketplace.

Check out Stuart Wilde's stuff on money if you haven't yet.

I second the Stuart Wilde recommendation check out the Trick to Money is Having Some. Remember the Secret is a marketing campaign to sell books, DVDs and seminars. The LOA can never be proven and many say it can't be dis-proven. But if you come home every day and sit on your coach and think about a glass of water someone may come along and give you one. Now compare the percentage of times you think about the glass of water, get up pull a glass off the shelf and pour yourself one. My guess is the second percentage is significantly higher. So whether the LOA is real or not, action clearly improves the probability of success.

I thought the secret was great...

Anyway, I think the majority of the self help stuff is total BS anyway. You want to do something that you think is going to make you money? Great... just do it. No excuses, no procrastination, just do it. It isn't about bringing positive energy to you, it is not about talking things into action, it isn't about dreaming or having good thoughts. I'd much rather have dreams, be realistic and find out a way to accomplish what I want and DO IT.

The secret is great for those who are naturally negative and a bore to be around.

I thought the "secret" was a mostly uplifting movie. However, I didn't like that they showed the girl looking at the lottery in the beginning. They kind of promoted a message that appeals to people's gullibility.

If the law of attraction worked that way, it would be like the movie Bruce Almighty. Remember when everyone wins the lottery and gets a lousy 7 bucks?

I just posted this and was logged out. So writing it for the secodn time.

The secret talks about the law of attraction but there are otehr laws like teh law of detachment. TO gat something you need to want it, take action but detach yourself from teh end result meaning do not depend your happiness on that.

It does work and the most classic exmaple I can give you is of someone wnating to fall pregnant.
I experienced this twice.
I just wnated to fall preganant, went to doctors ebcasue nothing was happening, did some treatments but then teh doctor wanted to push for IVF and I just somehow di dnot feel like. I one day decided I was happy without children.

I was not faking this, I really felt happy without them, I enjoy having my own time. SO I just realised I was happy. The next month I fell pregnant naturally.

A similar thing happened with my second child. Something similar happened to my sister and to too many other women.
AS soon as you detach from what you want you get it.
I know it is difficult to detach from what you want. But I experience this in other situations also. It does not mean that you do not want it any more, but that no matter what happened you will be okay with it.

You can also not say well from now on I will be detached from what I want. I personally experienced this as a switch that happened without forcing it ( a switch in my mind, now I am happy without what I wanted)

It does work. The law of attraction or all universal laws work. They are laws and work. Another point is that you need to be very clear on what you want.


I was told also to imagine like everything I want is in a warehouse with my name on it and as soon as I ask for it the universe will bring it for me. But to get it I cannot change my mind. Like for exampel if I wnat a new blue car, as soon as I ask the universe will go and get it for me from the warehouse, but then 5 miiinutes later I might think, well that car is so expensive I cannot afford it. SO the universe will return teh car to teh warehouse. Teh enxt day I sa I wished I had that car, but then a huge bill arrives to your post box, and you think well I will never be able to even think about the car.

Then the universe is comletely confused. Unfortunately this is what I have been doing lately in certain areas of my life.

Of course you need to take action, I would not be able to have a child just by wanting it. But as soon as you take action and you know what you want clearly and you do not change your mind and you detach of it, the universe will open doors for you.

"relaease your desire" whoever said that is coming from somewhere that is valuable to realize. Not that this attitude will gain you an extrinsic value in life - but even better, an intrinsic one.

@prophetmktg- I like your post- brings to mind "The emperor's clothes". The secret to the Secret seems to be to sell The Secret movies and DVDs and stuff....and this has been acomplished admirably well.

Try reading Wallace D Wattles "The science of getting rich"? It deals clearly with all the components of the process.

PM me if you'd like a Word copy emailed to you....or just google it for a free downoad.

Piero

With all due respect, I personally thought The "Secret" (there was nothing secret about anything in it) was the most inane and ridiculous waste of time I've yet to encounter.

What the Bleep Do We Know is WORLDS better and actually discusses intensely meaningful and applicable philosophies presented by some of the greatest minds of our time. (Philosophies that I have used in real life to create success and live whatever life I want to live- whenever I want to live it.)

In any case, the "Secret" and all programs like it are, in my mind, only appealing when a person does not fully understand or accept how ultimately responsible for their own destiny they really are. When you understand this level of responsibility, ACTION comes naturally. (Or depression, if you suffer from Analysis Paralysis.....) If your destiny is your own responsibility, then it's obvious that:

Wealth Creation is Responsibility
Success is Responsibility
Achieving Nirvana is Responsibility

and, my personal favorite quote from a Richard Bach book:

"God is Responsibility"

Pretty powerful and life changing stuff for me, but I recognize that we all make these types of connections in different ways. I suppose the path we take to get to the same place doesn't matter much, but I can tell you without question that I'd rather walk on my own in the dark than follow anyone's "system" or "secret". I KNOW I'm responsible for my own success.

Or failure.

I couldn't believe there were no biblical quotes referred to in that movie. Of course, there's much more to the bible than "the secret", but there are some really nice powerful one-liners that sum things up rather clearly...

"Whatsoever things you ask for when you pray, believe that you received them and you shall have them"
Note -- "believe that you recieved (past tense in many translations) Mark 11:24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Of couse, "Faith without works is dead"... (gotta take action).

"Call things which be not as though they are"... Rom 4:17
(Kinda like, you'll see it when you believe it -- and speak it)

There's much more...

I agree with you on this. The truth is, wealth, success, or anything else along the lines that people try "desiring" according to the secret is not practical or possible. Thinking or feeling positive will not make any changes in your life. The reason why is because these "desires" are too ambiguous; there is no definite answer, tangible notion, or real motivation behind desiring these things.

If you want to know how true 'success' is created, you've got to find the people that have it and model what they DO not really what they say to do. For example, if you were model how Olympic athletes gain the "success" they have with what they love to do, it is because they are committed wholeheartedly to doing what they do.

The secret is not a secret at all, it is a bunch of bull. I think the true secret is inspiration. When you are inspired to accomplish something and then you make a decision to do it you create a commitment which becomes a mission. Without even knowing it you will instantly hit the track to getting it done and will power through all the obstacles that come in your way.

Actually, the Secret (movie) isn't bull......"they" (the producers) took massive action and made millions see? They got "their" results, right? What's in the movie, is utter nonsense. "Your wish is my command" (The Aladdin's Lamp part)....CRAP!

When Esther Hicks had a falling out with them, they didn't lay down and say "we're screwed"...they took more action!

I know a ton of successful people personally, and they did not sit down one day and "intend" of "manifest" anything whatsoever. All they did was take massive action and work their butts off......for ! Something a lot of people don't want to do.

There is no magic pill, magic movie or magic book, folks!

You just have to know what you want, let it out there, let go the resistances, and you'll get it back.

It doesn't suck. But, it focused too much on a part of the process. The LOA works. It does not negate or preclude ...work.

The idea that we're not responsible for our actions is hard, in fact it's impossible for me to swallow. It has serious consequences. You need to shed more light on your take. Who is responsible?

Hey Prophet,
I have been practicing the "sedona method" for a number of years and its amazing how easily things come about when you are no longer attached to the outcome. Having an attachment to what you want to happen as a result of a particular action is like driving with one foot on the gas and the other on the brake, letting go of attachment is like taking your foot off the brake. One word of caution just because I said it becomes easy does not imply there is no action required, its just that the action has no resistance. I even use the "sedona method" in my coaching and my clients are amazed at how amazingly easy it is to learn and the longer one practices the lighter they become.
To Your Success,
Mike

I am also a fan of the Sedona Method. I worked with it a lot last year and found a great deal of freedom by doing the releasing exercises. I felt it was very, very valuable and return to it any time that I find myself wanting to control situations or other people.

Excellent! And your sig is one one my favorite quotes of all time.

The problem was the secret did not discuss the action part. At one point I checked the book out of the library to compare it to the SOGR which was the supposed inspiration and found the SOGR had the word action over 50 times and the secret had it once and it was not even used in the way most people use action, it referred to it as almost happening by itself. The LOA teachers of today stress the thinking part over the action part, the LOA teachers of yesteryear like Wattles and Hill stressed the thinking as part of entire process including action. As I wrote a few years ago, thoughts are things if. The if being action. Thinking about a huge business is truly a great start, but visualizing, planning, taking action and using feedback is an entire program to make it happen. The secret is like a running book that stops at buying the right shoes.

Is it possible to overload on self help?

LOL okay.
We should do a test.
2 people with one goal - make 1 million dollars in 1 year.
One person sits on his couch and visualizes 1 million dollars 18 hours every day (sleeps 6 hours) for 1 year. The other person works 18 hours every day towards his goal.

Which one would come closer to the goal?

It not make sense,, i think you should take some risk,,

My belief is that in order to succeed in any business, YES you must have a positive attitude but if you don't take the RIGHT actions, you will still be able to fail and not reach any goals.

People think that just because they think and attract what they want, that they will see it manifest. This is wrong from my own experience. If you don't take the right action, you will not succeed.

Contrary to popular belief...

The easiest way to accomplish more is to be completely satisfied with what you already have. Incessant desire is actually what holds you back...

Being grateful and "in the moment" is what will allow the space to really start making a change (or rather, allowing for change to happen)...

For the longest time I really believed that if I just cared more or tried harder, things would work out...

As crazy as it may seem at first, this is not the way to success.

Yes, there is work involved, but caring too much actually holds you back!

The secret seems to forget the fact that you need to act . You can visualise having a dog but if you do nothing about it ,it is no good .You would never get the dog because you are no willing to do anything to get it .

Well, newsflash... If you don't have the right attitude at first... YOU WILL NEVER TAKE THE RIGHT STEPS... What is wrong from anyones expierenence may be right from someone elses, haha... It's always the dominant beliefs, often unconscious that determine our expierience.... Thought comes before every action, there is no way around it... But there's a BIG difference between mere thinking (mostly reflecting) and creative thought... Thought = cause, action= effect... Action is only good if it's constructive and it results in a desired outcome isn't it?

cause ann effect would be (creative):
Thoughts ... (Spirit) to Idea ... (Intellectual) to Thing ... (Physical)

effect and cause would be (reflective):
Thing ... (Physical) to Thoughts ... (Spirit) to Idea ... (Intellectual)

One of my favorite quotes ever:

„Yes, humanity surges with uncontrolled passions, is tumultuous with ungoverned grief, is blown about by anxiety and doubt. Only the wise man, only he whose thoughts are controlled and purified, makes the winds and the storms of the soul obey him“ James Allen

The problem can be that wanting something very badly rather focuses our mind on the "not having" our desired outcome. Whilst we are focusing on the pain or frustration of "not having" we are not in vibrastional alignment with our desire and the Universe will only deliver experiences that match our vibration.

For the law of attraction to work we have to be a vibrational match with our desire. We therefore have to experience the emotions involved in already having attained our goal.

This can be quite a challenge when you are perhaps working hard but experiencing disappointment and frustration. You have to get yourself to a more positive and happy perspective to "let it in" to your experience.

You can improve your perspective by practicing gratitude and slowly improving yor mood and persective, by focusing on the good things already in your life. I also use brain entrainment to help me release anxiety and doubt both of which are resistance to the Law of Attraction.

Kind regards,

Jon

"The Secret" only explains part of the dynamic of the Law of Attraction. The most important part of the "attraction" part of the equation is to be in alignment with the Universe. When you are in total alignment by not RESISTING the present moment, then the Universe will deliver the results that match your vibrational level.

It sounds like voodoo, but this principle is proved by quantum physics. As a result, we all have the ability to change the outcome of what we are doing/observing by bringing our awareness to it. Now science and spirituality are closely aligned to explain how to attract what we want. It's not done by wishing alone. Wishing only attracts more wishing. Doing is what delivers the goods. This is fascinating stuff and Internet marketing is a perfect playground to test these beliefs.

Hey, great posts in here!!!

Some people hit it on the head. You gotta find meaning in what you do!!!

You can't just desire to be rich, or desire to have a nice house, car, lots of possessions.

It has to have meaning. Maybe you want the house for your family, or the car for your kids, or maybe you want to spend more time at home.

Whatever it is, set your mind to it, and go get it!! But it has to have true meaning.

I agree that the desire can fade as the desire increases. Crazy concept!

But if the desire has some meaning, like family/friends/etc, then I believe the desire will lead to hard work and dedication.

I'm a firm believe in giving. Everyone is unique and has something to give. So don't hide behind the keyboard all day. Go out and give what you have to the world. Find your passion, find your meaning.

Once you do this, your "work" is the tool that can pay to satisfy these desires!!

'The Secret' is nothing new. It's the same info you can find in a hundred other books over the last 100 years, just re-written, a new cover and a huge marketing push. Some of Joe Vitale's old products covered the exact same stuff, as did 'Think and Grow Rich'.

There is no secret just take action.



Kristof

I think you're right on with this, the mindset of wanting actually can repel that which we most need.

In addition, IMHO, our belief system has to be consistent with our *action*... Even The Secret wouldn't have happened if some savvy marketers didn't get together and make it a reality.

Thanks this was interesting for me.

See, the secret did not tell you everything did it. It just opened up some cases and explained them to you practically. But there's alot going on in the mind when you are choosing your goals and the path to achieve it. This is where it makes the difference.

the secret just tells you that the sky isnt the limit. thats good in some point but many people think that they have just to think positive, and thats FALSE. you need to come out of your box/comfort zone. unfortunatley theres no "the secret of taking action"

Yes! Yes! Yes! Finally someone who thinks like me.

I was a disciple of "The Secret" for a long time before I realized that desires ALWAYS come with a sense of dissatisfaction and as long as you continue cultivating these desires, you'll never be happy.

The book "Think and Grow Rich" is a great book to begin opening yourself to the true nature of this reality, but I also think that it can be a very dangerous book. Why? Because it teaches that you have to cultivate a "burning desire" towards a goal to achieve it. But there's no way to cultivate this burning desire without resenting the current situation you're in. You pretty much have to wake up feeling angry about your current situation in order to cultivate that desire, and to me, that is a counter-productive method.

To me, someone like JK Rowling is the perfect example of an effortless billionaire. I'm sure some will tell me: "but she had to work to get where she's at now". Of course she did. But she did it doing something that SHE LOVED. And when you get to do what you love day in and day out and get paid in the process, then it's not really work is it?

If you're currently making a living doing something that you wouldn't be doing for free, then you're in the wrong track, simple as that. I don't care how much money you make or how many things you buy, you'll always feel a sense of dissatisfaction for not following your true path...

The Sedona Method is entirely about releasing desire (though much more in depth) - and the way one works on goals with it is to hold the goal in mind but release all the BS that comes up when you think about it - all the wanting, the unfairness - etc. through the stage of emotions.

Hale, the figurehead of that method is in the movie the secret through only very briefly.. they conveniently did not include all the stuff i know he said about releasing wanting / desire cause it sounds like work and not the magical thinking

Their premise is 'want = lack' - you can either want something or have it but you cannot have both. This can be a flip in the brain because "how can I stop wanting it UNTIL i have it" but this is the whole game.

The LOA is what it is and it all depends on your perspective... Because if you don't believe then you don't have a chance to use its power.. If you believe then you can use it to your advantage.. Some believe and some don't .. Some thinks the idea sucks lol.. I think its the energy that we attract that makes the secret real.

This topic can go hand in hand. You just can't "wish" wealth and opportunity on yourself. You must work hard and have the mindset to succeed.

The problem with "The Secret" is that it teaches you to practice active imagination and a belief that you will become rich without any sort of mention that you actually have to take action and do work.

It is great to have a goal and really believe in something, but without taking action and really trying to attain wealth, thinking about it just won't cut it in my opinion

Things just don't fall from the sky if you wish upon them

Thanks for your post!

Yury

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positive thoughts (high intensity) must be put into action persistently, day after day until you reach the final goal. Otherwise, our desire can be realized. This will remain a dream ...

You still have to take some sort of action, you can't just sit on your ass doing nothing hoping for whatever it is to come to you.

Do a YouTube search for Dave Chappelle and the Secret. Funny stuff.