The trick is this - Meditation is like wishing something you really ought to have. It's not a task you don't like doing. I usually spend 30 minute of not doing anything before I enter the sack. I empty my head and think about nothing. This helps me relax and ready for the next day.

Seth,

What do you do when you meditate...just lie back and try to quiet your mind? I have trouble turning off the chattering monkey, as you call it. Either that or I fall asleep. But I'd like to try again, especially given the results you describe.

That is much appreciated Seth. Sincerely.

... and on another note you would be surprised to learn why in the beginning you said "but it's crazy the things that just start occurring to you, the people who mysteriously show up in your life."

For you personally, if you want to know more and learn... I guess, how should I put it, a different way of meditating, then hit me up on the PM line, and just so you know I did not start this thread to recruit people into my style of meditating or anything, but I genuinely think you may be interested in what I can share with you.

p.s. I really like that quote "Meditation is like taking a shower, you have to do it everyday to get results every day."

Thanks

I can't even begin to list how much of a difference meditation has made in my life! It's as much a part of life as eating and sleeping! Great post!

You can meditate while you run if you don't use an ipod. Just watch your breathing; or focus on your navel or feet while you run. Meditation is simply holding focus. I've meditated so long now I can even meditate and drive! just focus on belly while driving, removes all stress and hassle. It's a lovely thing, a lovely connection with yourself.

I suppose that depends what you mean by "worship".

Without turning this into a spiritual debate I honestly think that whatever it is that you believe in, be it a God, The Universe, a force of energy that emanates throughout the entire Universe, or something else... that it does not need nor does it want or expect you to worship it.

I think this is old religious type thinking and casting and I think they did it because they simply did not understand. We have come far since then.

Let me give you an analogy. Its like to say that in a way you may be seen as the ultimate being of your own body (God).

Yet your very own body is made up of billions if not trillions of individual living and intelligent cells (life forms) they are blood cells, red cells, white cells, liver cells, arachnid like creatures swarming around on your skin, worm like creatures in your eye, protein cells etc.

These cells are "a part" of you yet they are not you and you are not them, in a way you can say all is one and one is all and that together you live a symbiotic relationship...

If you where to inject a syringe into your arm pull the trigger back and suck out some blood, lets say the red blood cell was intelligent enough and it could look through the glass in the syringe and it would be like "what the hell is that giant tentacle being doing staring at me and where all my friends...?

You inject the blood back into your body and back he is, in his own micro world that makes you up.

So now that would be like saying you now expect that cell and all the other cells to worship you as their master or their God.

Seems crazy right. You give them food, water, nutrients and hence their life and they in return give you life by pumping your blood, feeding you experiences through your senses etc.

You would not want them sitting around worshiping you, almost like a parent child relationship you want the red blood cell to live his life and do his thing and most importantly to contribute to the whole.

I personally believe that the old religions confused worshiping with reflection and contemplation. If God exists (I believe IT does) it would probably want you to grow and expand and how would you do this? Simply by reflecting on what you are and what it is.

It would want you to search for it through space and time and it would want you to expand your mind to the farthest reaches so that if you where to find it, that it could share something with you, imagine that?

Its like a parent, and most spiritual schools and religions already paint God as a kind of parent, does the parent want the child to worship it? Hell no, the parent wants the child to live and grow and be happy, to experience and to do its thing.

Anyway, I think I kind of Hijacked my own thread but I did think it was worth it as I seriously do not believe God or The Universe needs worshiping nor does it want worship. It needs contemplation and exploration.

The subconscious responds to images, so when we take time to visualize, we are making a connection to our subconscious, which can then go about its work of helping us manifest what it is we are visualizing.

I have started to visualize a bit more, and will continue in this vein and learn more about meditation.

That answer makes me 99% sure you are not the woman in your avatar.

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Cool form of meditation. Alchohol shuts up the negative committee that meets in peoples heads so you could see it as a form of meditation.

Mushrooms and Ayahusca like the Shamans do as well... I would stay away from the Ayahusca though

I could not have phrased it better myself Jarmila ! I mean it literally as well as I am from Amsterdam and my native language is not English :-) Nicely put ! I assume you use The Law of Attraction and the power of the subconsious mind in your (business) life as well ?

When I am walking in nature alongside the lake walking with a girlfriend (I lost count :-) and her wolfdog it is meditation for me too. She doesn't stop talking and I have to listen all the way round the lake. Poor me :-) My mind can only focus on her chattering away and then when I drive back in the car the insights come.

Most people call it meditation, other people call it stopping mindchatter. My friend meditates every day for hours and hours. When he does not meditate even for one day he does not feel good. That for me is one step too far, as I want to feel good even though I do not meditate / visualize for a couple of days !

I used to think it was bullshit (back in the day when i had a physical labor job lol) but now I use it at least once daily if not twice (morning and night). I meditate to music to help me get into the theta brainwave state. It's a very receptive state so I envision my most ideal circumstances or whatever else my goals are and over time these manifest into reality.

As a note, even when i meditated when i had a physical drive-to-work job, I wasn't really getting anywhere. Though I did really well at work, my meditations were on doing well at work, which isn't really wealth or health related since it was a massive source of stress for me.

The change came when i removed the job from my life, which happened to be where the most negativity was coming from, and from that moment forward everything just felt better. No overnight riches or any of that crap, but it was a gradual and continual shift for me.

I have experimented running my business both on and off meditation, and meditation definitely helps me in almost every way you can imagine. Sometimes I had a few weeks where i just simply forgot to meditate, and I could notice a difference in both quality of relationships and how hard it was to sustain the profitability/success of different projects (after i self reflected and realized i hadn't meditated in a while).

So meditating did help me reprogram myself to think in a completely different way attracting 100% different people and circumstances. Some people may not favor it for whatever reason, but this is something that's part of my life now.

Dennis,

Mantra meditation (So-Hum, Om, etc.), breath meditation and brainwave entrainment will all help you overcome the tinnitus issue (anything where you are incorporating a sound will help).

I meditate because it has helped me overcome conditioned thoughts and negativity, to express gratitude and love, to relieve stress and to visualize what I want.

The coolest part of meditation for me is the inner silence. Yup, complete silence in my head. No chatter, no unwanted thoughts, no unwanted emotions, no unwanted images, just 'being.' When your inner chatter shuts up, you instantly feel more alert, alive, mentally agile, happy, connected... it's hard to describe in words how cool a 'word-less' state is. It's not hard to do this, either, in fact it's super easy.

PM me if you want help with any of this. It's what I do :-)

Hi Dennis,

Meditation seems to benefit me most with the help of entheogens to really ease my mind. I find it harder to quiet out the noise of the world in my mind while meditating otherwise.

Yeah so in regards to the whole monkey brain, chit chatter aspect of the brain one really has to understand what the teachers and all the gurus are really saying.

Allow me to explain.

Firstly thought is mainly a bio-chemical reaction in your brain (electrochemical).

This is what we refer to when we talk about thought.

When they talk in meditation about "Non-thought" which is what I believe we are referring to here, what they actually mean is to think in a different kind of way, that is why I like this thread because people, I think actually get it.

Really what they mean is not to think in words. Words are slow, cumbersome and clunky. We dont actually need them in the brain. Yet that is how we are programmed since birth and hence the ancient yogi's and gurus say "do not think" because that is the only way they knew to say what they wanted to say. Make sense.

Words are great for communication, but in terms of thought, they are useless. They are not needed for thinking.

For example: if you are walking across a street and you see a bus coming do you stop and think in your brain "Bus, speeding, coming for me, quick move out of the way now before you die"? No of course not. You just know instinctively to move.

Its the same if you look at an object, go ahead, right now look at a random object. Your brain will want to say the word instantly, for example a cup. Why does your brain need to say the word cup?

It doesnt, that is the point, you know what a cup is without the word, you know its feeling, you know what it feels like. So if you look at a cup and you look at a telephone, they feel different dont they?

This is what you try to attain when meditating. This is real non-thought. Its not about not thinking, its about thinking in a different way, thinking in pure light instead of chemical reactions in the organic brain. Thinking by feeling.

This is not easy to do.

You should try Eric Pepins meditation technique as this is one of the core things he teaches. He has great methods for attaining non-thought, in fact ill go so far as to say any idiot can do it

I think he just released a new book, part of his core 1 series which details the meditation technique among other things. Goes for li 4.99 on kindle and is apparently already a best seller in several of Amazons categories, NO AFF LINK: Meditation within Eternity: The Modern Mystics Guide to Gaining Unlimited Spiritual Energy, Accessing Higher Consciousness and Meditation Techniques for Spiritual Growth: Eric Pepin: Amazon.com: Kindle Store

I would say no (at least in the popular sense). My method would be closer to contemplation or pondering. I suppose I'm capable of clearing my mind but only for the few seconds it would take for something else to fill it up again.

The thing that keeps a lot of people from meditating continually is the expectation of some magical RESULTS. Instant gratification.

Meditation shouldn't be about "results" i.e. 'what am I getting from meditating'. It defeats the whole purpose for meditating anyway. Results-orientation or expectation is ego based, and one of the main reasons for meditating is to 'tame the ego'. Practising meditation over time should become second nature or part of your being like breathing, you don't expect some results from breathing , do you? It's just what it is.

Meditation simply gives you clarity, quietens the gibberish in you head over time, but analysing its progress or effectiveness is counter-intuitive and usually discourage folks to the point of giving up; because the expected "results" are not as apparent as they had hoped. Geniuses for the most part don't see themselves as such, why? Because there's no strenuous effort on their part as to how their minds process information.

Just do it!!