FCC Approves New Net Neutrality Rules: 02-26-15

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FCC approves new net neutrality rules


  • Profile picture of the author butters
    Pretend I no nothing about this net neutrality stuff, sum it up in one word for me, doomed or happy?
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by butters View Post

      Pretend I no nothing about this net neutrality stuff, sum it up in one word for me, doomed or happy?
      Ditto, here. I don't care what I have to pay, just that I can get the speed that I want.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Ditto, here. I don't care what I have to pay, just that I can get the speed that I want.

        Cheers. - Frank
        Well, BEFORE you could get the maximum speed available for your area at a historically reasonable cost AND, if that were too inadequate, you could, at a VERY low cost get a speed that was even FASTER on a remote system. After all, that is what allows a site like THIS to even be up, and what many have historically discussed here has centered around the ability to USE that speed!

        It did, with LESS government intervention than ever before, go from a meager low level hobbyist business to a HUGE financial BEHEMOTH that is SO common place that some have dared to call it a necessary right on a par with EATING! It started with *****NO***** intervention! The US government regulated the infrastructure and all, and everything ELSE skyrocketed while the internet LANGUISHED, and FEW even KNEW about it! Even LINUX was taking off! THEN the internet opened up! AGAIN, to little fanfare! Ironically, I got onto it around that time.

        THEN, several years later, a guy sick of writing reports writes a new language. STILL, FEW know about the internet! THEN TBL, Tim Berners Lee comes onto the picture. A little later, and suddenly everyone marvels at the internet that many think was JUST invented!

        So virtually NOTHING, as far as the average person, at least in the US, is concerned, happened when the US had regulated it! All the stuff most people NOW consider the internet, happened through NON government people and corporations, AFTER the government released the backbone.

        NOTE, the preamble to the following is GARBAGE, but is basically admitted by them in the "background" statement:

        High Performance Computing Act of 1991 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        AL GORE didn't CREATE the internet, but merely opened it up. The above act DOES speak of funds going to several things, but they were to help spur development. They had the internet, telnet, ftp, email, resource search engines, UNIX, LINUX, etc.... before this bill.

        It's ALSO interesting that they credit the 1991 act with helping Andressen create the first HTML client, which of course was IMPOSSIBLE unless he worked with the group developing the server, Wikipedia claims TBL created the first client AND SERVER, but that supposedly happened in 1989.

        Tim Berners-Lee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        But I guess THIS might get lost in history as well.

        Developing a client without a server makes even less sense than creating a speaker before a mike. The clients job is to do what the server instructs, and the likewise instruct the server, so you need to know how the server works BEFORE developing the client, and the client is needed to test the server, so it is a good idea to develop both together.

        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          AL GORE didn't CREATE the internet, but merely opened it up.
          Al Gore NEVER claimed that HE INVENTED the INTERNET. He CLAIMED to be INSTRUMENTAL in CREATING the INTERNET. In MY book - **********'OPENING IT UP'********** MEETS that CLAIM, sufficiently.

          Wikipedia claims TBL created the first client AND SERVER, but that supposedly happened in 1989.

          But I guess THIS might get lost in history as well.
          HONESTLY - No one CARES! WE just WANT OUR Internet.

          Developing a client without a server makes even less sense than creating a speaker before a mike. The clients job is to do what the server instructs, and the likewise instruct the server, so you need to know how the server works BEFORE developing the client, and the client is needed to test the server, so it is a good idea to develop both together.

          Steve
          Blabbedy-blabbedy - blah, blah, blah.

          We get it. YOU CREATED the INTERNET.

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            Al Gore NEVER claimed that HE INVENTED the INTERNET. He CLAIMED to be INSTRUMENTAL in CREATING the INTERNET. In MY book - **********'OPENING IT UP'********** MEETS that CLAIM, sufficiently.
            NOT IN MINE!
            Blabbedy-blabbedy - blah, blah, blah.

            We get it. YOU CREATED the INTERNET.

            Cheers. - Frank
            WOW, NOW you are crediting me with creating the internet! I would LOVE to take credit, but I would not have been able to create the networking at that time, I certainly would NOT have been able to create the CPU at that time. I would have been barely able to create a computer at that time. And networking stuff was so expensive at that time that I had problems with THAT.

            Still, the fact is that I didn't create any of the stuff the standard person uses on the internet today. And I am willing to state that openly. HECK, I remember seeing PERL and HTTP hit suns distribution server, that I was monitoring EVERY DAY at the time, but I didn't do ANYTHING with them until YEARS later. In retrospect, that was odd, since I looked at almost everything else! Go figure! APACHE (Picked up HTTP), REDHAT(Pretty much picked up that ENTIRE distribution area), and OPENSTATE(picked up PERL) didn't even exist at the time!

            Steve
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              NOT IN MINE!


              WOW, NOW you are crediting me with creating the internet! I would LOVE to take credit, but I would not have been able to create the networking at that time,
              Steve
              Steve, buddy! You do grasp the concept of a facetious post, don't you? :-)

              Cheers. - Frank
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                Steve, buddy! You do grasp the concept of a facetious post, don't you? :-)

                Cheers. - Frank
                YEP! I was poking fun as well. I never claimed this stuff your posts indicated I did.

                Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by butters View Post

      Pretend I no nothing about this net neutrality stuff, sum it up in one word for me, doomed or happy?
      You should be happy, no one can throttle your internet connection speed in favour of preferred paying customers getting their data faster. All data will be treated equally.
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        You should be happy, no one can throttle your internet connection speed in favour of preferred paying customers getting their data faster. All data will be treated equally.
        Right, just need it in the UK now :p
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          Right, just need it in the UK now :p
          I think it affects us all.
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          • Profile picture of the author butters
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            I think it affects us all.
            Don't see how a US court can effect regulations in England. Don't get me wrong, I get 100mb and not get throttled anyway but would be nice for others to not throttle.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by butters View Post

              Don't see how a US court can effect regulations in England. Don't get me wrong, I get 100mb and not get throttled anyway but would be nice for others to not throttle.
              I am a Brit living in TX for over 10 years, hows the weather there?

              I get 100 megs a second too. Never experienced any throttling either. I really don;t know about the overall effect of this except to say a lot of the infrastructure of the net is in the US. anyone else care to enlighten.
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              • Profile picture of the author butters
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                I am a Brit living in TX for over 10 years, hows the weather there?

                I get 100 megs a second too. Never experienced any throttling either. I really don;t know about the overall effect of this except to say a lot of the infrastructure of the net is in the US. anyone else care to enlighten.
                Crap, standard English weather really, cold and raining .

                Would be good to know to but I suspect all its done is set a precedent for the UK to take similar action. I never knew any US court ruling which had urisdiction in England tho.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                I am a Brit living in TX for over 10 years, hows the weather there?

                I get 100 megs a second too. Never experienced any throttling either. I really don;t know about the overall effect of this except to say a lot of the infrastructure of the net is in the US. anyone else care to enlighten.
                OK! How do you think your computer knows where to go with an IP address? HOW do you think your computer knows what IP address belongs to Amazon.com?

                OK, HERE is your answer! They KNEW that lines would break, and that is one reason why darpa was involved. USUALLY, a system goes to a gateway address, based on the IP address, that figures out the target IP and goes on down the line. But searching IP addresses is SLOW, ESPECIALLY if they have no indication of who they are. I mean it could take many system YEARS, so they have a central index on domain name servers. REMEMBER, there is NO feasible way to FIND those servers, so every system on the planet has to KNOW their addresses. They were old systems, and are licensed by the original user, so THAT is feasible, so the addresses are HARD CODED! That is true of EVERY system on the planet! Well, the 13 servers that say where amazon is, and may even point to some country DNS servers, are in the US! So YEP, if the US goes dark, a good chunk of the internet will be effectively be cut off.

                It was DESIGNED that way because it was the only feasible way, and nobody thought a major company with all that responsibility would be cut off for DAYS! It ALMOST happened 100% once. In fact, about 50% of their servers went down. THAT was a disaster.

                Steve
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            • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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              Originally Posted by butters View Post

              Don't see how a US court can effect regulations in England. Don't get me wrong, I get 100mb and not get throttled anyway but would be nice for others to not throttle.
              You see there was a little clause in the post-WW2 Marshall Plan to send US aid to Europe that said in return for our dough US now OWNS YOU!!
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        You should be happy, no one can throttle your internet connection speed in favour of preferred paying customers getting their data faster. All data will be treated equally.
        Wow! Chalk one up for the little guy.

        Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW!

    Gore reiterated the role of government financing in American success in a 1996 speech [12]

    That's how it has worked in America. Government has supplied the initial flicker -- and individuals and companies have provided the creativity and innovation that kindled that spark into a blaze of progress and productivity that's the envy of the world.
    WHAT was the initial flicker? The AT&T project that created the networking, in the late 1960s? NOT financed by the USG! Was it PARC that created the look and feel of the current PC, started in 1970, that was NOT financed by the USG? Was it INTEL, that for a Japanese company developed a CPU, recognized as the first MPU, instead of the calculator chip the company asked for, started in 1968, that was NOT financed by the USG? Was it APPLE, that created the first NEXT concept type system, started in 1975, that was NOT financed by the USG? Was it the FINISH guy that, in finland, created the inexpensive LINUX, in 1991, months before al gores bill? Was it the English guy that, while working at a Swiss company speced out HTML in 1989?

    I'm having a bit of trouble finding the "initial spark"!

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BTW!I'm having a bit of trouble finding the "initial spark"! Steve
      I thought I cleared this up. It was you dabnabbit!

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

    BTW!I'm having a bit of trouble finding the "initial spark"!
    We can't forget Eisenhower's ARPA in 1958 (later renamed DARPA) and ARPANET in 1968/1969. A few notable names from back then were...

    Leonard Kleinrock
    Paul Baran
    Donald Davies
    Lawrence Roberts
    Robert Kahn
    Vint Cerf
    Louis Pouzin

    Access to ARPANET grew in 1981 when the NSF funded CSNET. In '82, the Internet protocol suite (TCP/IP) was introduced as the standard on ARPANET. By the early 80's the NSF had funded supercomputing centers at several universities, and they provided interconnectivity (NFSNET) in '86.

    Cheers

    -don
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      We can't forget Eisenhower's ARPA in 1958 (later renamed DARPA) and ARPANET in 1968/1969. A few notable names from back then were...

      Leonard Kleinrock
      Paul Baran
      Donald Davies
      Lawrence Roberts
      Robert Kahn
      Vint Cerf
      Louis Pouzin

      Cheers

      -don
      Yeah, at least ARPANET was around, I don't see Gore though!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      I have a message for you, that ALL here should be saying! It is SIMPLE!!!!!!!! Many that know practically NO morse code know THIS famous message! HECK, you COULD just write ...---...---...---...---... and people would get the idea.

      ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ...

      Here is a HINT! They AREN'T asterisks!

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        I have a message for you, that ALL here should be saying! It is SIMPLE!!!!!!!! Many that know practically NO morse code know THIS famous message! HECK, you COULD just write ...---...---...---...---... and people would get the idea.

        ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ...

        Here is a HINT! They AREN'T asterisks!

        Steve
        SOS.

        Cheers. - Frank
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