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greatest group since The Beatles

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so who is the greatest group since the Beatles

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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

    so who is the greatest group since the Beatles

    history has proven i am not entitled to an opinion, you might be
    Of course you're entitled to an opinion. You just need to understand that your opinion does not become fact, simply because you hold it.

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    Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

    so who is the greatest group since the Beatles
    Personally, I don't believe that anyone has surpassed them, regardless of what criteria you choose to apply.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
    Not a group but a Giant none the less, in the entertainment industry.

    He had the number one record in England for more weeks than Elvis and The Beatles.

    His influence on the Beatles, and later Michael Jackson is the stuff of legend.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_Whitman

    "Beatle George Harrison cited Whitman as an early influence: "The first person I ever saw playing a guitar was Slim Whitman, either a photo of him in a magazine or live on television. Guitars were definitely coming in."[18] When a young Paul McCartney purchased his first guitar, the left-handed musician was unsure how to play an instrument that was manufactured and strung for a right-handed player. It was not until McCartney saw a picture of Whitman playing left-handed that he re-strung his guitar so that he too could play left-handed.[19][20] American pop singer Michael Jackson cited Whitman as one of his ten favorite vocalists.[21]"

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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

    so who is the greatest group since the Beatles
    Oasis. : )


    Enjoy,
    : )
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Oasis. : )Enjoy,
      I hope to do that, as soon as you provide something that can be classified as enjoyable. :-)

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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        I hope to do that, as soon as you provide something that can be classified as enjoyable. :-)

        Frank
        OK. I'll do my best:


        No?
        (Meh)

        Lol.
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          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          OK. I'll do my best:

          No?
          (Meh)

          Lol.
          Jonathan
          Sorry. Epic fail. :-)

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            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            Sorry. Epic fail. :-)

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            Amen. Brother.
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    The Rolling Stones. The Beatles were a studio band with the all the onstage charisma of a fake plant. 45 years after the Beatles broke up, The Stones will be releasing another new album in a couple of months.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      The Rolling Stones. The Beatles were a studio band with the all the onstage charisma of a fake plant.
      I care about the music, not the performance.

      45 years after the Beatles broke up, The Stones will be releasing another new album in a couple of months.
      Some folks don't know when to pack it in. Let's cut John and George some slack for dying. lol

      The Stones tried to be the Beatles with HSMR. Not a bad album, but far from original. I don't even put the bands in the same genre. The Stones are great at what they do, but the Beatles are better at what they did, IMHO, of course.

      Personally, I'll take Tho Doors, most days of the week over either of them.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        I care about the music, not the performance.



        Some folks don't know when to pack it in. Let's cut John and George some slack for dying. lol

        The Stones tried to be the Beatles with HSMR. Not a bad album, but far from original. I don't even put the bands in the same genre. The Stones are great at what they do, but the Beatles are better at what they did, IMHO, of course.

        Personally, I'll take Tho Doors, most days of the week over either of them.

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        I agree it's about the music, which is why the Stones are better. Mick's stage presence is just a big bonus. Plus, Keith Richards still being alive proves there are indeed miracles.


        I'll take the Doors, Yardbirds, Who, Led Zepplin, 10 Years After, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix and a number of others over the Beatles. As a matter of fact I'd say Hendrix influenced how rock music evolved a lot more than the Beatles.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          I agree it's about the music, which is why the Stones are better. Mick's stage presence is just a big bonus.
          OK, if you consider jumping around like a spastic dufus, stage presence.

          As a matter of fact I'd say Hendrix influenced how rock music evolved a lot more than the Beatles.
          You could say that, but it would just be another opinion. He may have influenced many future guitar players (but nowhere near the influence Eric Clapton had), but I don't believe he had any great imprint on the music of the era, per se.

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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          I agree it's about the music, which is why the Stones are better. Mick's stage presence is just a big bonus. Plus, Keith Richards still being alive proves there are indeed miracles.


          I'll take the Doors, Yardbirds, Who, Led Zepplin, 10 Years After, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix and a number of others over the Beatles. As a matter of fact I'd say Hendrix influenced how rock music evolved a lot more than the Beatles.
          We are deviating from the point. I'm sure the OP was talking about the quality of the songs, the melodies, the tunes. Not who can play guitar better or come up with different styles of presenting them

          For sheer output and consistency in that dept, the Beatles win hands down. They were very average when it came to playing instruments though. Especially Ringo.
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            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            We are deviating from the point. I'm sure the OP was talking about the quality of the songs, the melodies, the tunes. Not who can play guitar better or come up with different styles of presenting them

            For sheer output and consistency in that dept, the Beatles win hands down. They were very average when it came to playing instruments though. Especially Ringo.
            You couldn't be more wrong.

            Paul McCartney could hold his own with ANY bass player in the rock genre.
            By the time they made Sgt. Pepper, he was miles ahead of the pack. If you can't hear that, while listening to the album, I feel sorry for you.

            Paul, like George, was a superb lead guitarist. Listen to Paul and George tear it up with simultaneous lead guitar solos on "And Your Bird Can Sing".

            Ringo, was a left handed drummer playing a right handed kit. No one else in the game worked with that handicap. He overcame it to give us some of the most memorable musical performances on record. If you think it's easy to play like he did, just try it some time. He was also the only drummer in rock, at that time, to be writing songs which were recorded and one of the rare ones who sang.

            When the Beatles broke up, Ringo, was the first to release an album.

            The Beatles were a live performance band, who became damn good studio musicians. They were known for their harmonies, and worked without the benefit of stage monitors, during their live performances, This, along with the ear splitting roar of screaming fans, meant they couldn't hear each others vocals.

            And yet, their live performance harmonies were spot on. No bullshit, lip syncing or backing tracks, like you hear today. Those guys would show up, plug in and do it live- just like the record. Every time.

            Anybody who came after the Beatles, owes them a debt for breaking down the doors and barriers that were in their way. In 1963, young men and teens had short hair. Most professional men wore hats. If you don't think so, look at the old photos from the Kennedy assassination. The Beatles, with their "long hair" and loud music were considered to be outrageous, at the time. They weren't respected when they first showed up. That came later. The "experts" all said they wouldn't last.

            The Beatles set the pace in the 60's, inside the music studio and outside, in the world of entertainment. No group since has had a larger influence.

            You wouldn't have had all of the later super-groups, without the first super-group: The Beatles.

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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

              You couldn't be more wrong.

              Paul McCartney could hold his own with ANY bass player in the rock genre.
              By the time they made Sgt. Pepper, he was miles ahead of the pack. If you can't hear that, while listening to the album, I feel sorry for you.

              Paul, like George, was a superb lead guitarist. Listen to Paul and George tear it up with simultaneous lead guitar solos on "And Your Bird Can Sing".

              Ringo, was a left handed drummer playing a right handed kit. No one else in the game worked with that handicap. He overcame it to give us some of the most memorable musical performances on record. If you think it's easy to play like he did, just try it some time. He was also the only drummer in rock, at that time, to be writing songs which were recorded and one of the rare ones who sang.

              When the Beatles broke up, Ringo, was the first to release an album.

              The Beatles were a live performance band, who became damn good studio musicians. They were known for their harmonies, and worked without the benefit of stage monitors, during their live performances, This, along with the ear splitting roar of screaming fans, meant they couldn't hear each others vocals.

              And yet, their live performance harmonies were spot on. No bullshit, lip syncing or backing tracks, like you hear today. Those guys would show up, plug in and do it live- just like the record. Every time.

              Anybody who came after the Beatles, owes them a debt for breaking down the doors and barriers that were in their way. In 1963, young men and teens had short hair. Most professional men wore hats. If you don't think so, look at the old photos from the Kennedy assassination. The Beatles, with their "long hair" and loud music were considered to be outrageous, at the time. They weren't respected when they first showed up. That came later. The "experts" all said they wouldn't last.

              The Beatles set the pace in the 60's, inside the music studio and outside, in the world of entertainment. No group since has had a larger influence.

              You wouldn't have had all of the later super-groups, without the first super-group: The Beatles.

              Ron
              Having been a drummer in bands for a number of years I can tell, you, I was better than Ringo and I thought I was crap.

              Your talking about levels of competency here, they could sing, harmonize and were tight on stage, yes. They could play rhythm guitar and set pieces, yes. Harrison though, was never a good lead guitarist, never. Macca was a better drummer than Ringo and an average keyboard player. Probably a competent bass player.

              But it is a question of degrees. Yes they were all reasonably competent enough musicians to function, play and create stuff, but nothing about their playing was outstanding. Compared with the great guitar, bass, keyboard and drum players they were on the ground floor.

              I will never remember the Beatles for their instrument playing, but will remember them for their songs, creativity, and progressive arrangements.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Bands are all so different there is no real way to say which one is the greatest. Which is better a rose, a tulip, an orchid..?

    Depending on my mood... the greatest group since the Beatles (in no particular order)...

    Led Zeppelin... Stones... Who... Blind Faith... Traffic... Allman Brothers... Greatful Dead... Dire Straits... Buffalo Springfield... Jefferson Airplane... CSN&Y... Doors... Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers... Pink Floyd... The Band... Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band... Derek and the Dominos... Cream... The Moody Blues... Travelling Wilburys... A few others I am forgetting...

    I do agree with Big Frank though... I don't think any group has surpassed the Beatles!
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    "THE VOICE OF A GENERATION"

    2016 Nobel Prize In Literature Awarded To Bob Dylan

    Ask the Beatles who they regarded as one of the greatest songwriters when they were getting started.

    STOCKHOLM, Oct 13 (Reuters) - Bob Dylan, regarded as the voice of a generation for his influential songs from the 1960s onwards, has won the Nobel Prize for Literature in a surprise decision that made him the only singer-songwriter to win the award.

    The 75-year-old Dylan - who won the prize for "having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition" - now finds himself in the company of Winston Churchill, Thomas Mann and Rudyard Kipling as Nobel laureates.

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    Greetings,

    Many consider this song to be the definitive example of classic doo-wop. Actually, it came at the end of the doo-wop era, but was viewed as the culmination of the genre.

    Two minutes of great music. :-)


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    The Eagles of course!
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

    so who is the greatest group since the Beatles
    Dirty Mac might have given them a run for their money.

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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    For consistently good songwriting over time I would say that Elton John, The Eagles and David Bowie would be contenders.
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      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      For consistently good songwriting over time I would say that Elton John, The Eagles and David Bowie would be contenders.
      Elton John only writes half of all the songs. He has a partner on every one. Many people wrote Eagle's songs over the years, including people that were not in the band. Not sure about Bowie, but I wouldn't but him even close to being in the same league as the Beatles, nor any of your other honorable mentions, for that matter.

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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Elton John only writes half of all the songs. He has a partner on every one. Many people wrote Eagle's songs over the years, including people that were not in the band. Not sure about Bowie, but I wouldn't but him even close to being in the same league as the Beatles, nor any of your other honorable mentions, for that matter.

        Frank
        Elton wrote the tunes, the melodies, to me the most important bit. Taupin just wrote the lyrics. With me it's melodies first, lyrics second.

        Bowie wrote many good tunes but only for a section of his career. He chose not to be commercial later. The Eagles, I would have to look see who wrote their best stuff.

        I forgot to mention Queen, they did some good stuff. I try to strip away the flamboyance or pretentiousness or styles when listening, just going for the tune itself.

        You cannot hide a good tune.

        Honorable mentions go to The Carpenters, an albums worth of good songs in their greatest hits, and also, some Abba.

        Many bands have about an albums worth of really good stuff, then they run out of steam and creativity.

        The Beatles were by far the most consistent, about 250 songs, many very good, quite a few great.
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          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          The Beatles were by far the most consistent, about 250 songs, many very good, quite a few great.
          See? That wasn't so hard now, was it??? :-)

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    Paul McCartney could hold his own with ANY bass player in the rock genre.
    From the same era, Jon Entwhistle (The Who) leaves him for dead. After the Beatles people like Chris Squire and Geddy Lee have done things with the bass that would leave McCartney's fingers tangled up in the strings.
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      From the same era, Jon Entwhistle (The Who) leaves him for dead. After the Beatles people like Chris Squire and Geddy Lee have done things with the bass that would leave McCartney's fingers tangled up in the strings.
      From the evidence of the clip in post #22, I'd say Keith Richards is a better bass guitarist than Macca.
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