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i got a call from my brother last night and they found out yesterday that his wife has pancreatic cancer that has spread to the liver and lungs.

iam just shell shocked.They found it randomly in some tests that were being run on her separately from this.

My brother sounded pretty good but he did reiterate several times that they gave her just months to live.Its really tough to enjoy life when someone close to you has a death sentence

This disease is so insidious, no question!It spreads so damn quick.

Anyway, just venting a little bit, sorry to carry on and ramble.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    That sucks! I hope she doesn't have to suffer much. It's going to be a tough ride for both of them. Pancreatic cancer took out my Uncle years back. Prayers to your Brother & Sister in Law. F*ck Cancer! Take care of yourself Robert.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      That sucks! I hope she doesn't have to suffer much. It's going to be a tough ride for both of them. Pancreatic cancer took out my Uncle years back. Prayers to your Brother & Sister in Law. F*ck Cancer! Take care of yourself Robert.
      thanks Don !!

      if you want to call it a blessing so be it but because i have fatty liver iam getting scanned down in that region every year now from my GI. That's the key early detection!!

      that being said some forms of pancreatic cancer literally just takes months to turn to Stage 4. It's a real biatch and yes f@ck cancer !!
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  • Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    i got a call from my brother last night and they found out yesterday that his wife has pancreatic cancer that has spread to the liver and lungs.

    iam just shell shocked.They found it randomly in some tests that were being run on her separately from this.

    My brother sounded pretty good but he did reiterate several times that they gave her just months to live.Its really tough to enjoy life when someone close to you has a death sentence

    This disease is so insidious, no question!It spreads so damn quick.

    Anyway, just venting a little bit, sorry to carry on and ramble.
    I'm so sorry to hear this. The best thing you can do is be there for your bother. When she needs constant care, ask what you can do to help. Visits help a lot. He'll need you before and after.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      I Visits help a lot. He'll need you before and after.
      how do people process that, Claude?? Because I have the resources to fly out ( from San Antonio to Orlando) to them. But not sure if they would appreciate it or not ? Maybe i would be in the way ??
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      • Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        how do people process that, Claude?? Because I have the resources to fly out ( from San Antonio to Orlando) to them. But not sure if they would appreciate it or not ? Maybe i would be in the way ??
        You wouldn't just visit unannounced. You have to offer your help. Offer to come out. Offer to help pay for some expenses. Just talk to them over the phone. Offer emotional support.

        Be there for them. If that includes them wanting you to visit, then visit. If they want privacy, give them privacy.

        Offer to help in any way that will make this less painful for them. Tell them that you will help in any way you can. and all they have to do is call. Believe me, it will mean the world to both of them.

        And then, when she passes, ask how you can help with the arrangements. How can you take some of the burden away from them?

        Here are a few things to avoid;

        Don't ever say "Everything happens for a reason", or "It's all part of His plan", or "She's in a better place".

        These are things that make us feel better to say, but they can cut really deep when someone is grieving.

        If they say any of these things, just agree and offer comfort.

        And, for some reason, when friends and relatives find out someone is dying....many of them will avoid visiting. It's uncomfortable for many. And they don't know what to say.

        Don't be one of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          You wouldn't just visit unannounced. You have to offer your help. Offer to come out. Offer to help pay for some expenses. Just talk to them over the phone. Offer emotional support.

          Be there for them. If that includes them wanting you to visit, then visit. If they want privacy, give them privacy.

          Offer to help in any way that will make this less painful for them. Tell them that you will help in any way you can. and all they have to do is call. Believe me, it will mean the world to both of them.

          And then, when she passes, ask how you can help with the arrangements. How can you take some of the burden away from them?

          Here are a few things to avoid;

          Don't ever say "Everything happens for a reason", or "It's all part of His plan", or "She's in a better place".

          These are things that make us feel better to say, but they can cut really deep when someone is grieving.

          If they say any of these things, just agree and offer comfort.

          And, for some reason, when friends and relatives find out someone is dying....many of them will avoid visiting. It's uncomfortable for many. And they don't know what to say.

          Don't be one of them.
          thank you Claude!! Your response means everything to me

          incidentally, neither are religious and more or less are atheist which i respect and will respect as far as not saying some of the things you said not to say
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  • Robert, I'm sorry this happened to your family. This is what took my grandmother. I'm not sure why hers was ultra fast, maybe a month tops, or maybe it was just a couple of weeks. I forget exactly how long, but I won't forget how devastating the speed was.

    My thoughts are with you all. I hope peace and comfort will be your companions as you and your family face this.

    Mark
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    I am sorry to hear this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Very sorry to hear this, Robert. Every loss is terrible, but these "death sentence" losses are bewildering. It's very difficult to process that this living being is going to be gone in months. It's nearly impossible to functionally grasp the idea.

    Everyone in the situation is powerless. The patient is powerless over the disease. Loved ones are powerless to help. As far as the human experience goes, it's one of the most difficult situations to be in for everyone involved. All you can do is be supportive in a manner that you are able and in a manner that is acceptable to your brother and sister-in-law. Only you can determine what that is.

    From a personal perspective, I found it helpful when people could help manage time. Anything that you can do that can help your brother have more time with his wife: cook meals, watch the kids, pay for a maid service, cut the grass. Even with the specter of death, mundane tasks need done and they whittle away at the last days, hours, minutes that close loved ones have together. Find a way to give them more time within the limited time they have and you will have given them the greatest gift you could.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      very well put, Dan. Thank you so much
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        let me ask you this especially you Claude: How much does money (if it's not an issue as our Mother is well off) help extend life or at least live a little more comfortably?? i.e. flying her to Mayo or Md Anderson for second opinions and treatments ,clinical trial treatments etc.. etc..

        basically, iam asking will money extend her life and more importantly the quality of her life ??
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        • Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          let me ask you this especially you Claude: How much does money (if it's not an issue as our Mother is well off) help extend life or at least live a little more comfortably?? i.e. flying her to Mayo or Md Anderson for second opinions and treatments ,clinical trial treatments etc.. etc..

          basically, iam asking will money extend her life and more importantly the quality of her life ??
          I can only give you my experience. We got two second opinions. The appointments gave us hope.....but the prognosis was the same.

          But there are different kinds of cancer, with different genetic markers. There are treatments that will kill the cancer if it's a very specific kind. Have your brother ask their oncologist about these tests to find mutations in the cancer that may be vulnerable to specific drugs. They may have already done the test. We had the test done too late to make a difference, a Hail Mary. But the test came back negative. If they have good health insurance, everything should be covered. By the time the oncologist told us Cheryl only had a few months left, all the tests and treatments were over. So your brother telling you they only gave her months, may mean they are out of options.

          There will come a time where treatments are no longer needed or offered. That time may already be here. Hospice will then be able to manage pain, and make the last days more comfortable for her.

          And the last few weeks or so, your brother will not leave her side. He won't get any sleep and won't eat much. That's when you may need to be there, to relieve him, or other family members. Be there if he wants you to be, but at least tell him to call you at any time of the night.

          Riffle gave you some meaningful insights on how to help.

          For the rest of your brother's life, yours, and your family's there will be the constant thought of "Could I have done more to help?"

          For yourself, make sure that answer is a hard no.

          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          . Find a way to give them more time within the limited time they have and you will have given them the greatest gift you could.
          This may be the best thing you've ever said.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Robert, I'm sorry to hear this and what you're going through.

    You don't say whether your brother and sister-in-law have kids. Bad enough as the situation is, I'm hoping not.

    Wishing you and your family strength through all of this.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      Robert, I'm sorry to hear this and what you're going through.

      You don't say whether your brother and sister-in-law have kids. Bad enough as the situation is, I'm hoping not.

      Wishing you and your family strength through all of this.
      thank you, Frank

      yes they have one son but he is grown out on his own, thank goodness
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    Cancer does not discriminate .That is why I got my prostate checked Getting my colon checked next .
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

      Cancer does not discriminate .That is why I got my prostate checked Getting my colon checked next .
      same here Jamell!! Got the ole finger and cough prostate exam back in May. Will get my colonoscopy in a year when i turn 60
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  • Claude or others can correct me if I'm wrong.

    I agree that we should offer assistance but I think a lot of people are too prideful, "manly," or whatever else to ever admit they need help. I was in a position (as part of an organization) that I could offer assistance to an elderly man one time. I asked him if he needed anything, and he denied he needed help. Something felt off with his answer, and I asked him a different way. Again, he denied. Something was still off, and so I took a chance on my gut and told him I would arrange to get him some food delivered that day. He had said nothing about food, and the reason I was talking to him was totally unrelated to any needs he may have. It was just a gut feeling, so I asked since that was something I could do in that role.

    So, the old man looked down for a long time, and when he looked at me again, his eyes were moist and he thanked me. I asked him what he ate the night before, and he told me about the plain white rice and hot sauce only that he had eaten for weeks. Ate nothing else. He was literally starving but couldn't ask for help.

    In this situation, I could have embarrassed him, offended him, or made him angry but my gut was right this time.

    Robert, my point is, it's hard for many of us to admit we need help even in desperate situations. If you think this might be the case with your brother and you want and can help, and if you think this tactic might work, try, "I'll take the kids tonight for a few hours to give you some time alone (or to rest or whatever), and I'll be there at 7:00 instead of, "If you need anything, let me know."

    Just a thought. I've been thinking about you and your family. I'm getting to the age where I'm afraid I'm going to be getting some calls like that with my parents or even siblings. I think I'm more sensitive to these sorts of things as I've gotten older.

    Mark
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    • Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Claude or others can correct me if I'm wrong.
      Robert, my point is, it's hard for many of us to admit we need help even in desperate situations. If you think this might be the case with your brother and you want and can help, and if you think this tactic might work, try, "I'll take the kids tonight for a few hours to give you some time alone (or to rest or whatever), and I'll be there at 7:00 instead of, "If you need anything, let me know."

      Mark

      Nothing to correct. Your idea was better than mine. I think Robert is getting some real insights here.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Nothing to correct. Your idea was better than mine. I think Robert is getting some real insights here.
        yes. And as always it's much appreciated

        btw, just an observation : we have a small but very tight knit community here and can see myself getting to be an old man around you guys!!

        thank you
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          yes. And as always it's much appreciated

          btw, just an observation : we have a small but very tight knit community here and can see myself getting to be an old man around you guys!!

          thank you
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Getting?



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            ok Dan iam there already, i know iam an old geyser presently but trying to stay young at heart
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            • Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              i know iam an old geyser presently but trying to stay young at heart
              Long as you can turn on the tap, you dowin' OK.
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              Lightin' fuses is for blowin' stuff togethah.

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  • Hope U OK, Disco.

    Lightnin' does indeed strike.

    But once it's struck, it is done.

    An' bewilderment an' shock give way to the next necessary purpose.

    Meanin' ... you have considerable hand in this.

    Same as prolly evrythin' you evah done.

    You cain't change evrythin', but you naht helpless.

    We would wish always nevah to be 'struck' in this way, but when we are, our options are singularly electrified.

    Without wishin' to exalt soopreme selfishness, or diminish the concerns before you, I wanna hope you can pull on max Disco Powah.

    Dunno who it was said, "there exists within us all an untapped reservoir of resilience -- about which we would never seek to speak, and of which we would never seek to gain -- that lies so conveniently dormant when skies are blue (the better for us to persist in good heart), but which will roar like a beast to save us whenever we are threatened."

    Sum stoopid Princess, prolly.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Sorry to hear this...

    I'm someone who really believes there is something better out there when we pass.

    I have a hard time with people who think there is nothing else after this life. In my opinion, it is their anger at what happened. But none of us are going to live forever.

    I've gone through something like this 3 times in my life.

    I do hope you find peace and a way to manage what is happening.

    There is always hope.

    The best thing to do is to be positive for your brother and sister-in-law right now.
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