[Patrician]

Hello there.

Well it happened - just as I pictured. Someone had a new member just a few days old, an elderly lady.

When she came to the forum she saw all the negative remarks about the program and she got scared and backed out.

Sorry for the person who lost that commission. You can thank the people who speak so highly of us here in the forum.

In the past I would have attempted to change her mind for you, but I just feel so beaten down by all the negativity here that I didn't bother.

The funny part was she said she was duped because she wasn't thinking for herself.

LOL - Now she quit because she still isn't thinking for herself but chose to believe people that are saying the program doesn't work.

Well where did you come from little lady? The program worked for somebody when you joined, hello?

For your information, those of you who have not yet had any luck with this program:

We receive several applications every day - every single day PEOPLE ARE MAKING SALES OF PIPS-

THIS PROGRAM ABSOLUTELY DOES WORK both as a "beginner package/starting point", as well as for those who have been around for years, have fixed up their sites, added their own stuff, etc.

Ever wonder why someone already a millionaire like Ewen Chia would bother to promote a program that doesn't work?

p.s. No program works unless we do. If it is not working for you, instead of believing all the naysayers (which I know tends to discourage people and they lose their motivation) figure the people who are saying this have not figured out what works.

Although they may not come here, THIS PROGRAM DOES WORK FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE AND HAS FOR AT LEAST 6 YEARS NOW.

It works for lots of people and you know what? They are not here talking the program down - well actually they don't come here at all - Wonder why?

End of Rant #92

[Asher]

Hi Patricia,

I agree with you 100%... the reason I won't be able
to tell people to come into the support forums is
because there's too many "Are you making money?"
or "It doesn't work!" kind of threads.

We DON'T NEED those kinds of threads in here as a
support forum. So what can we do about it? Create
NEW threads that are positive so that new prospects
and signups actually see useful content... not stuff
that say PIPS doesn't work.

Take note... if it doesn't work for one person, it
doesn't mean that it doesn't work for others. But if
you come right out and make several threads posting
and challenging Stone's program, you're doing much
more harm than just innocently posting a question.

I say... create MORE threads that are positive in
this forum about PIPS that are useful/helpful to the
new signups.

To the top,
Asher

[mjcarpe]

Hi Pat,
Your right, it's unfortunate that someone lost a sale. I think the people who step up and say positive things in response to those threads are what should be noticed, but this isn't a perfect world. Myself I tend to pay more attention to the responses to those article's. Those responses generally speak loudly to the defense of the program, the bottom line is that not everyone will excell at internet marketing. It isn't a get rich quick, it's a business.

[jroh]

As a new member of PIPS I have to jump in and add to this. I have been with the progam now since the 1st week of November. A lot of people don't have the right attitude going in and I'll explain what I mean.

I think too many people are looking for the "get rich quick" schemes, and actually believe that it is possible to do so on the internet. Unfortunately they lump PIPS into that too just because it is another money-making program on the internet. However, PIPS never portrays itself to be a get rich overnight deal. In fact if you read the training and follow through with it, you will realize just how much work it is.

Now another point. You are starting a business. Just like any other business, you will toil and sweat and work hard for several months to get it off the ground before you realize the 1st cent. What brick and mortar business do you know of where someone had an idea to start their own business and "poof", the next month they had the store open, the customers beating down the doors, and they were making money hand over fist? It doesn't happen.

I stay away from promoting my site and the PIPS site to any keyword remotely connected to "get rich quick" or "make money fast" or the like. Frankly, those aren't the kind of people I want to attract. I want someone who has a business sense and who knows what it takes to build a business.

Third point, just like any business, you aren't going to make any sales, your site won't thrive, and you won't make any money if you don't have traffic. Too many people buy programs on the internet looking for some "turnkey" system that does all the work for them and never seem to grasp the concept that you need traffic and you need to work to get that traffic.

Now for my experience. As I said, I have been at it for a little over 2 months now. I have done a lot of promotion, some paid ( which has had mixed results ) and a lot free ( articles, blog posting, forum posting, etc ). I'm here to tell you it will work if you keep at it, stay consistent and figure out what works and what doesn't for you. I've had 2 signups to Host 4 Profit, small I know, but that is enough to get it to pay for itself. I have 50 signups on my Get Response email campaign. I have 6 SFI's, not upgraded yet. But I look at this as the foundation. I am building something and if I can get it paying for itself in the next few months, I break even and everything over that is profit.

Also, don't just signup for SFI, Empowerism, Success University and think that is all you have to do and sit back and it will grow itself. I realized after looking more at it those are based on network marketing business models and you have to do just that - network. Now you can get people to go to your PIPS sales page and sign up for programs and maybe build your downlines those ways, but if you want to succeed, take the time to learn the programs and how to effectively market each one. Start with just one and learn it well, then move on to another one once you have one down.

There are plenty of resources on the internet and in these forums to help you succeed. In my short 2 months I have learned so much just by looking around, and I learn something new everyday. Do the same. I learn something every day that I didn't even know existed, and I see that as getting one step closer to having a break-through.

Bottom line - treat this like a business and you won't feel like you got "ripped-off", because you know what it takes to build a business and this is no different...it's just online.

I for one am very encouraged by my early results. You don't have to sign up for everything, in fact I wouldn't until you start getting consistent traffic to your site. For a measly $25 you can get started on something that could bring you financing freedom or at the very least, a decent side income.

Anyway, that is my 2 cents worth.

[Patrician]

Thank you guys so much for your affirmation. That is so what this is all about to me (the forum).

I hesitated to post this thread because often I feel that I make negative threads even more so by resisting - never have learned to 'turn the other cheek'.

Particularly recently there seems to be a little clique that thinks they are the 'smart kids' and the smart kids know that this program sucks, the sites suck, Stone's recommendations suck.

The funny part is someone successful is advising them what worked for him, yet they would sooner believe those people who are not successful. Go figure?

It just makes no sense that people would rather jeporodize their own and other's success, just for the big thrill of saying something negative.

I don't believe in censorship, most of the problems I have had in my life are a result of being blatantly honest, and I really don't want to start deleting disruptive posts.

However, I really have to decide what is the lesser of the two evils, being that the point here is that we succeed, and success is hindered literally and figuratively by the naysayers.

It must come to mind for me 100 times a day that Stone says 'do not feed negativity' - We are so the opposite (he being the success, me being the worker drone).

So how do we starve negativity? By beating it back? Ignoring it? Deleting it?

I would really like to hear your feedback on how you think I should handle this.

All I know is it needs to stop. Here we have only one example of how this BS has killed someone's hard earned sale. How many don't bother to explain WHY they quit after 30 days?

[mjcarpe]

Pat,

I wouldn't want to be in your position. Not being in your position gives me the option of looking at the good responses to those post, and learning from them. You, on the other hand, must first consider the damage it can cause. Also consider, did this person who quit think they had purchased a free or work free million dollar business. The poor responses I have seen have not made me leave, and I can only blame my lack of PIPS profits on me.

Not sure if this helps with your problem,but, go with what you feel is right all the PIPS and forum members.

[Stephen Meyer]

Hi Pat,

My view may be a little different but I don't see the negative post as actually being negative. Honestly, what I see is people asking questions with a negative overtone but not with negative intent.

I'm willing to bet more people will drop out of PIPs due to the responses to the "negative" post faster that they would with just those post alone. The standard answers are, it's not a get rich quick program, it takes time and a lot of work", you have to have patience, to build your business you need to article market, blog etc.., and so on. Most people are not looking for a business that takes time and work and, dare I say it, an investment. They want Stone, you, their sponsor and everyone else to do the work for them. When they see it isn't going to be easy they run off to find the next get rich quick scheme that will do it all for them. Of course they blame any failures on everyone except themselves.

Now you have a prospect who is blaming the negative post for her decision to leave, sounds like bunk to me. I'm pretty sure it was the replies that made her run off. But it's hard for people to admit they dont want to do something or can't do something so they blame others.

[Stephen Meyer]

I have to add this.

Post such as this one certainly do not help one bit either. I saw the title "Somebody is Making Sales" and immediately thought I would find an encouraging post about all the sales that are being processed. Not for a second did I expect a post about some quitter.

[Patrician]

Yes Mike - that is a point I wanted to make, that I always enjoy reading all the postiive posts that happen as a team when someone comes on (without slamming us) to say that they are not having 'luck'.

I think it is great practice in selling the program, for people to articulate the positive things they are doing that DO WORK.

So I guess if the person is sincerely asking for help without any little passive aggressive remarks or overtly skeptical or accusatory statements, then those threads should be supported as they have been in the great Warrior-We-Want-To-Help-You spirit.

As they say, 'it's not what you say but how you say it'. I need to remember that too.

[Patrician]

Hi Stephen

I agree with that and this is in my mind then, a vote for nuking the derogatory threads in the first place -

Read my 3rd post (#9) to see the difference between one that will be here and one that won't if this is the decision I have to make.

Asking for and receiving help is a good thing. Making derogatory remarks and trying to trash the program is not good. Me and my defensive diatribes are not good.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Stephen Meyer

I have to add this.

Post such as this one certainly do not help one bit either. I saw the title "Somebody is Making Sales" and immediately thought I would find an encouraging post about all the sales that are being processed. Not for a second did I expect a post about some quitter.

[fdzlee]

I have different view about this. I already join this program 4 months ago. I'm totally newbie in this internet business. Even I haven’t made any sales through pips (Only one, but I don’t know why host4profit account still show revoked), I’m still thinking this is nature of business. Growing slow and steady.

FADZLI

Negative comments (depend on comments) on this forum, sometimes is good for me. I know which program that suggest by Stone is work and which one is not suitable for me. At least I can reduce my expenditure every month. If everybody only says a good thing, maybe I already retire in online business more early. Because as a newbie I can’t differentiate which one is good program or not. Only you guys can help newbie like me.

But what ever comments we read in this forum is depend how you interpreted the meaning of each post. As long as you have positive thinking about online business you can survive longer!

[godisgood]

Hi,

Post like this is sometimes inevitable. We are individuals belonging to different cultures and we have different ways of expressing our views but i do highly agree with Stephen. There is always a subtle way of saying things.

Cheers,

Jennifer

[chanano]

I have been reading silently the pros and cons from fellow members on viability of PIPS. Some relatively new members claims having made sales while some long term members claim not achieving results and vise versa. The system works for some but not for others means the fault is not in PIPS but in us. Those who work smarter get results. It is better to analyse and share our selves on what type of promotions results are being achieved. That will be a better positive approach than becoming just critical without benchmarking where we are lacking in our attemps to make sales or hits. Let share experiences and fine tune our own ways of doing things with PIPS.

[JV3STUDIO]

Hi Pat,

Well said! This is a SUPPORT forum! It should be about helping people, and positivity. I don't know if you have the ability of deleting posts, Pat. If you do - why not delete all the negative posts. The internet is big enough so folks who want to give their (negative)opinion on PiP have the chance of doing this elsewhere.

Regards
Johan

[Jeff Schuman]

Pat,

I just made a sale a couple of days ago to a lady. Hope this was not mine.

The PIPS program asks for nothing from anyone, but gives back alot in my opinion. Think about that. Look at everything Stone and Pat give you for zero.

You pay for hosting and the rest is optional. If you are smart you upgrade GetResponse. Your total cost is les than $45 and that does not go to Stone or Pat. If you can not make $45 a month online you need to look in the mirror. This is not a fault of PIPS.

I'm hopeful Stone will get the "30 Days" training situated and we can all make more money in 2009. The program is needed and the niche will never run out of prospects.

[Kym Robinson]

Im so sick of this!

PIPS DOES WORK and Im proof!

I have learned ssoooo much from Pips in my short 6 months online.
I have several sales and many signups in all the programs.

Whether Pips works for you is fully dependant on your comittment and ability to follow a proven plan - thats it!

If you can follow the training - great!
The real golden nugget comes down to one word - ACTION!

If you take consistent action and follow the plan - you will succeed.
I have been able to dedicate more time to my online ventures than most - so my success has probably come quicker than others - but I have done the work!

I have educated myself through the 30 days to success and the pips power group.
I have committed my time to following and implementing that education.
I have made a plan and followed it and I have taken action every day.

If you can do this, however long you take - YOU WILL SUCCEED WITH PIPS!
Its inevitable!

Good luck to all our newbies - its heads down, bum up and get to it!
Kym

[writer-ros]

Pat I understand your dilemma. Freedom of speech is important, but it's difficult to accept the negativity of some people and tempting to not allow them a voice.

But I think some of the posts here have made some good points. We all have a responsibility to build our own business and to interpret what people say, or what happens, in our own way. Unfortunately, there are many people who believe that it is always someone else's fault (in this case, the fault of PIPS for not making them money quickly enough!).

There are always going to be those who want to put something down. But I think in the long run they show themselves up. Those who truly believe in building a business and taking responsibility will not take any notice. Those who do take notice of such negativity were probably never going to go very far anyway.

Ros

[richardt23476]

Well, I have to share my thought here also.

although I did not post any negative stuff here before (excluding this one), but those negative stuff is growing in my mind somehow. I want to keep myself positive of course, but with 6 months in the program and not a single sale is made. it's really make me frustrated. Of course I know I need to work harder or smarter, I must admit PIPS is not a very easy program to learn and master especially when I have to take care of my full time job and my family(not much time is left for...).

I will hang on for a bit longer, but I really do not know how long I can hold.

regards

[tplahav]

Hi Pat,
I agree with Steve. People are looking to make quick money, and when they see that PIPS won't make them money immediately they quit.

PIPS has changed a lot since I joined it, and I am sure it will change in the future.

I love this program, it is great, I learned a lot from it and I am making sales and I have sign ups, and it works for me, when I am working.

This is a work form home opportunity, if you read it again you will find the word "work", there is no free money, but if you learn and apply, the money will come.

But, I do think Stone should consider, making some changes, maybe adding a couple of free to join programs, SFI and Traffic Swarm is not enough, and participating in this forum more.

I remember days when Stone used to be more active in this forum, and our new members need to see him here.

I love what you said, Pat, this program works, this lady is a living proof, or she never have join.

This program is for those who really wants to make it and they will.

Tanny

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi Tanny,

Perfect answer

Take care
Jeff Casmer

[Stephen Meyer]

It was a perfect answer, she agreed with me. Hahahaha ROFLMAO

I crack myself up sometimes.

[jgeorge1]

Hello all,

I might not be here everyday, but I can tell you that I have had GREAT success with the PIPS program. This is the only program that has worked for me and I have never been so happy..

I have told so many of my contacts that this is not a get rich quick program as there is no such thing. If you want to succeed you must do the work..I am proof of this as well, I have just the plain website and have been in this program for 5 months..I get commissions every month and have a good size list..

This program WORKS and I am so grateful to have found it..

[Patrician]

Thanks all. Very compelling testimony. You rock, PIPS people!

By the way, sales are really increasing lately. There was so much bad news in 2008 - culminating with the election, then the global economic disasters came to light, right in time for the usual internet-wide holiday slowdown as the finale.

Well folks there are days when sales are way up again to what they were before all these catastrophes.

It's not over and many economic analysts believe it will get worse and that 2009 will be a hard year for most.

"If the world gives you lemons, make lemonade".

This is the perfect opportunity with unemployment rates higher than in decades, for people to create their own 'jobs' here on the internet.

Just as I thought high gas prices was a good selling point for staying home with your car parked, the same goes for the economic disaster.

Can't find a job? Make one!

This is the circumstance I found myself in when I arrived and it is way harder than if you have an income coming in while you are learning and just starting to build your business.

It would be wise for those that are fearing their company will be the next one to lay workers off, outsource jobs, or plain shut down, to start something part-time.

This is the ideal way to start out so that should disaster strike, one will have a foundation to build on.

The two main human motivations are #1 to eliminate pain and #2 to get pleasure.

Eliminate pain: Stop worrying about your job and your bills; can that surly boss; stop the exhausting and expensive commute.

Get pleasure: Stay home and be creative; work your own hours; have time for your life; have the 'pride of ownership' and eventually make some money!

God bless you all in your endeavors and reward your hard work and perseverance.

[alloke613]

I have something to share here. I was thinking that PIPS is a quick cash scheme at the 1st time I saw the sales page. I was thinking to give it a try. After I joined this program, I look through almost everything in 30 days of success training, all the recommended programs, all the skills and a lot more. I found that there are a lot of useful knowledge that I never knew from my family or from school syllabus. Although I felt a bit down of the result I am getting now, after 2 months still not getting any sign ups. Although I am a bit down and PIPS is not the quick cash scheme but I like it a lot because I learned a lot from all the supporters like Pat, Graham and others. I like to know more to build an attractive website with high marketing value. This will make me continue to own this opportunity as a PIPS member.

Personally, I will read all the threads that attract me even it is negative threads. I will digest the information in the thread and get all I need for my benefits. Others non-related or harmful materials will be thrown away. I believe that it is always better with positive and negative view of a matter. It is for the readers to judge to follow the positive point of view or the negative one. There is always good to have a debate with good manners to make everything goes well.

I am not having an ideal result that I wished to have now. Maybe I am not hardworking enough but I will try harder. Hopefully my lazyness will go away at once I get my 1st sales. I hope that all experienced PIPSter will give more support to newbies such as me here. Hehe. I am the one who need more guide. LOL.

Good luck to all the PIPS members.

[TGPlugin]

I agree with alloke. PIPS requires study and work. Hard work. I'm learning something every time I get involved with promoting my PIPS page. I'm trying to absorb as much of info from others as possible and still deal with some of my own trial and error. But when I hear real people with real success I am motivated tp continue on. I earned my first SFI commissions, it hasn't covered my costs, nor have I even sponsored anyone on SFI yet but I've been showed...THE MONEY IS OUT THERE... and I'm gonna get my piece of it. Good Luck ALL

[Robert Oliver]

PIPS would not be around this long if it did not work.
It is not a get rich quick scam you out of your money
business. When you finally learn that you will be surprised
what you can do.

Many of us in this big forum got our start right here.
The education you will get here is much more valuable
than you will realize. It will save you years of failure &
frustration in trying to make money online.

Negativity is poison to your business. Use that energy
to do something to grow your PIPS site. Negativety
robs you of the energy needed to think right, function
right and be productive.

If something is not working for you, just come here and
do some research to find out why. Don't just jump on here
and start negatively blasting the program. You have so
many resources here to help you succeed, use them.

That's my 2 cents.

Hello Pat. Happy New Year from Texas.

Robert

[GreenEyes]

I'm another one who is not exactly where I should be..... but I will be! I have no one to blame but myself.

I've said this before and I'll say it again...

Why I didn't join this forum when I was instructed to do so is beyond me! I waited way too long. I wasted time and energy when I could have been learning from people who have already succeeded. I love it here! I could kick myself for joining 3-4 months ago.

As for the negative threads, I can't stand it. It really bugs me too when people put the program down or Stone for that matter.

I mean really...let's get real here. Who gives you a website with a fully loaded autoresponder!!! I mean...really, who??

Well, I think PIPS is an awesome program and any "newbie" reading this, trust me...go out and see if you can find a personal coach for less than a few thousand dollars. A couch who will write your follow up emails for ya!

If people would spend their energy on their sites and what they can do to to improve their marketing strategies...well, I think we would see a lot less wah-wah-wah and more... "What can I do to help" or Yeah! I made a sale! I got more sign-ups!

I'm now in the process of learning all things "article marketing" and I believe this has been one of the missing pieces of the puzzle for me. Getting that much needed traffic to my site. I'm real excited because I know in the next couple of months I will start to see changes in my stats. Big changes!

Well, enough of all that. I have a new thread I've been wanting to start. I'll see you guys around.

Take care!