[mjcarpe]

Hey everybody,

I am considering switching from host4profit to host gator web hosting. Here is why:

1. Data bases, I'm tired of not adding features to my site because I only have 3.

2. Space and Bandwidth, unlimited the same as databases.


3. Half the cost.


What I'm concerned with is the aspect of moving the site, blog, all that software. Would it be that difficult?

[Stephen Meyer]

It's not all that hard. With H4P you can go to website back up and download your files and data bases.

I hate to say it but H4P is a lot of money for web hosting. The 24.95 a month is a lot more than Host gator and host gator has an affiliate plan that is good.

But, H4P has one of the best support services i have seen. They answer almost instantly where you will have to wait with most others. I really like H4P and never thought i would want to switch but the cost is a big consideration.

[mjcarpe]

I agree the support has been amazing, each time I've needed them. The cost was an afterthought, my real thing is the databases, I need a couple extras. And I'm wondering about bandwidth, with article directories and blogs will I exceed the limits of H4P.

I thought about just registering another domain and splitting things up, then I noticed the price diff. I really dont want to add the extra monthly of running two hosting accounts. I mean for the cost of 1 h4p acount you could have a bunch of those 4.95 host gator accounts.

Well anyway not trying to sound cheap, but, getting the most for your dollars helps alot.

[Kay King]

could have a bunch of those 4.95 host gator accounts.

Even better, for the same cost you can have a reseller account at HG and add as many sites as you want.

kay

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi,

I have an article directory, a forum, and literally hundreds pages to my website and I am still not close to using all of my space.....

Take care
Jeff Casmer

[Jared Alberghini]

Originally Posted by cosmic41

This is an interesting situation. Good luck.

Nice contribution.

Would someone please help by reporting all of the spam posts by cosmic41 ???

.jrd

[richardt23476]

Yeah, I also have the same thought recently.

I don't have much to transfer in fact. I don't use database, don't have blog or forum. And rarely use the Support also.
and the price difference is really big.

maybe I just need to take action this weekend. :=),

will let you know the experience in a week or 2.

regards

[Stephen Meyer]

It is easy to transfer. once you download your files and data bases you simply ftp them to your new account. But you have to transfer the domain and there might be a fee.

If you aren't using data bases for a blog it is real simple

[mjcarpe]

Thanks for all your input guys.

Jeff, How about the bandwidth restrictions, have you been close to exceeding the limits? I guess I'm just not sure what actually uses bandwidth in large amounts. What about video? Would that use a lot of bandwidth?

LOL, thanks again for your time and input!!

[mjcarpe]

Steve,

As for myself, I am using 2 of the the three allowed db's.
1 for blog

1 for software

and the last I don't know what to put there, Ireally need like 3 more LOL.

Would swapping hosting accounts affect any of my links or ads?

[Stephen Meyer]

Those will be in the files you download so they won't be lost. it's the data bases that are difficult

If you can find Trent Brownrigg he knows a lot about transferring files and can help more

[alloke613]

If I transfer the web hosting from Host4Profit to HostGator, can I still affiliate H4P? Can I still get commission if someone register under my H4P affiliate link?

[mjcarpe]

Originally Posted by alloke613

If I transfer the web hosting from Host4Profit to HostGator, can I still affiliate H4P? Can I still get commission if someone register under my H4P affiliate link?

That would be something I hadn't thought about.

Steve,
Thanks I'll remember Trent, if or when I decide to do this. Need to make sure I only move once.LOL And do it as efficiently as possible.

Now, off to see if I can find the answer to Alloke question.

[godisgood]

Hi,

I don't have plans of switching to hostgator yet because i'm happy with Host4profit. I agree with Stephen the customer service is excellent. Try to get 3 members and your webhosting is free.

Jennifer

[mjcarpe]

Alloke,

If I read and understand that info correctly, no hosting account no affiliate program.


Which now brings up warrior forum, is it also dependent upon hosting account?

Jennifer,

Thanks for your input, my only issue is really that I could use a couple more databases. For me to h4p has had excellent support.

[Stephen Meyer]

I believe once you have had your hosting account with H4P for 3 months you can remain an affiliate

[Kooza]

I am personally not a fan of H4P, I seem to have more issues with their hosting than any other host and I much prefer cPanel over WEBePanel. H4P's support may be good but I would rather not have to use support at all. Also any decent host has good support,

Hostgator actually called me in New Zealand a while back which I thought was quite impressive.

Hostgator will always have the latest updates and technology whereas H4P can be a bit slow on the uptake. I also discovered that H4P had different configurations across their servers which was a real nightmare installing the PIPS 2.0 sites. Some installs went fine others had all sorts of issues.

I know the PIPS veterans can get quite defensive of H4P but I am just commenting on my experience with them. I would be quite interested to see if they host any large corporate sites, my guess would be no.

Anyway you can actually use the same database for multiple programmes with H4P, as long as the prefix is unique, it's not ideal and can get a bit messy but is possible.

You'd have to have a lot of data on your site to use all of that space and bandwidth. Usually 500MB is big enough for most sites, and unless you have people downloading large files from your site or you are getting 10,000 visits a day bandwidth shouldn't be an issue either. If you want to use video just use YouTube and let them pay for the bandwidth.

Moving to a new host invloves doing a back up in WEBePanel, upload zip file to new site, go to cPanel -> File Manager, locate the zip and click extract.

If you have any databases you will need to set them up. In WEBePanel you just need to go to phpMyAdmin and click export, copy and paste the SQL to your new database. You will need to update your programmes to refelect the name of your new databases.

You then need to get your domain pointed to the new server.

All the best,
Mike.

Okay what I am getting out of the convo is that the only reason people want to switch is because of the difference in the price...my question is who provides the better service?

I have had HG before and as mentioned before their response time to problems was terrible, where as H4P was instant, so I;m staying with H4P personally.

[darrinmcl]

I work with H4P support all the time and at all times of the day and night and I am always amazed at how fast they are to respond and correct issues as they arise.

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi,

Mike makes good points. I am a veteran and I do support Host4Profit but have nothing against the "gator". I have a site that has a forum, article directory, and hundreds of pages. I dont have a corporate site but neither will any of us here need one...LOL

There is no WRONG answer here as both companies seem to do a good job. Host4Profit has always helped me a great deal and am quite grateful and it doesnt matter what time of day it is....

Loyalty to someone or a company can come back to you in many good ways if you let it.....

Either way you probably cant go wrong...

Take care
Jeff

[Kooza]

I don't have a corporate site but neither will any of us here need one

The point I was trying to make there was to do with quality of hosting but in all fairness H4P do not offer packages suitable for large sites, but if they did I believe they would have to improve the quality of their hosting.

There is no WRONG answer here as both companies seem to do a good job.

I agree 100%, if you are happy with H4P then stick with them, there is no reason to change.

My only concern is that WEBePanel is going to get stuck in the dark ages as it doesn't seem to have changed in the four years that I have worked with it whereas cPanel is constantly evolving and personally I like to keep up to date with the latest technology.

Although again I work with it a lot more than most PIPS members would in fact some probably don't even use it at all apart from maybe to check their stats, in which case you should be using Google Analytics anyway.

So I guess that is why this debate could go on and on it depends on your own situation, however "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

All the best,
Mike.

[mjcarpe]

Thanks for all the great input,

I believe we all agree h4p has great support.

My main reason for considering switching hosting accounts is databases. I don't know if I am smart enough to set up data base sharing, without causing myself pain and agony.LOL

If any of you do this sort of thing regularly, do you personally think it's hard? I guess that should be did you think it was hard the first couple times.

Thanks again everyone,

[Kooza]

Originally Posted by mjcarpe

Thanks for all the great input,

I believe we all agree h4p has great support.

My main reason for considering switching hosting accounts is databases. I don't know if I am smart enough to set up data base sharing, without causing myself pain and agony.LOL

If any of you do this sort of thing regularly, do you personally think it's hard? I guess that should be did you think it was hard the first couple times.

Thanks again everyone,

You don't actually have to set anything up you just use the same database for multiple programmes. The only time you will run into problems is if you want to install the same programme into the same database as they will both have the same prefix. However if this is the case just use one of the other databases. I highly doubt you will ever have more than 3 installs of the same programme.

All the best,
Mike.

[waltham]

Host gator, 1&1 either are great and it's simple to switch your Stuff over!!20 minutes tops

[mjcarpe]

Mike,

I really feel like a moron now. I can install multiple things in one db without the info getting messed up? And there is nothing to do but install it normally, just so not running duplicates in the same db?

Wow, sorry to have wasted everyone's time. LOL

Thanks all, my decision now made. I don't need to change host, just learn to use software properly.
Brings to mind something about tools,sheds, and not being the sharpest. LOL

[Stephen Meyer]

I wouldn't worry about not being the sharpest. I have never understood how or what to change to change the "Prefix". :confused:

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by alloke613

If I transfer the web hosting from Host4Profit to HostGator, can I still affiliate H4P? Can I still get commission if someone register under my H4P affiliate link?

If you had your Host4Profit hosting account for a minimum of 3 months (billing periods) then you will still make commissions from WarriorPro/Host4Profit Resellers if you change hosts.

You can also join the HostGator affiliate program without having their hosting account.

[Suzanne Morrison]

I posted this list in another thread, but thought it might be helpful here for anyone who is considering moving. At the moment I have my websites spread about over a few hosts - Host4Profit, Hostgator, 1&1 Uk and Blue Host

If you are moving from Host4Profit to Hostgator, there are a few things that you need to think about first:

(1) Whatever you do, do not cancel Host4Profit until you have done the transfer AND you are completely satisfied that everything is working ok.

(2) The complexity of your move from one host to the other is dependent on what you have on your website. For example if you have Wordpress or an article directory you will need to backup and restore the MySQL database and do a reinstall on the new host. If you don't have anything like this, it should be a relatively straightforward transfer of files. You can use FTP to transfer all your files from the old host to your PC, then upload them to the new host using FTP. Alternatively you can do a backup in the WebEpanel and then upload it and extract it to the Hostgator cpanel.

(3) If you have a blogger blog published on your website you will need to login to blogger.com and change the FTP settings to the new FTP settings otherwise you won't be able to publish your blog after the move.

(4) When you have moved the files you will need to change the domain name settings to point to the new host's name servers. How you do this depends on where you registered your domain name. You certainly don't want to be changing your domain name as you would lose all links pointing to it.

So, if you are considering moving it makes sense to think about all the above points and plan out how you will do it first as it is not always a straightforward 5 minute changeover.

If you need any advice on the above you are welcome to contact me and if you let me know your domain name I can send you a more detailed set of instructions based on what you have on your site.

Cheers,
Suzanne

[houdy]

Originally Posted by Stephen Meyer

I wouldn't worry about not being the sharpest. I have never understood how or what to change to change the "Prefix". :confused:

Steve the prefix for most scripts is defined in the config file of the scrip itself. For WordPress the default prefix is wp, so in the wp-config.php file you would just change that to something else like wp1. Not the ideal solution but it does work, I prefer separate databases for each install.

I second Mikes thoughts about WordPress functionality on H4P, it seems like there is always something that doesn't work correctly, be it plugins or even some core WP functions. Yes they respond to questions fast, but for the price I don't see why they can't have the same type of CPanel as the others, with the same functionality?

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by Suzanne Morrison

(2) The complexity of your move from one host to the other is dependent on what you have on your website. For example if you have Wordpress or an article directory you will need to backup and restore the MySQL database and do a reinstall on the new host. If you don't have anything like this, it should be a relatively straightforward transfer of files. You can use FTP to transfer all your files from the old host to your PC, then upload them to the new host using FTP. Alternatively you can do a backup in the WebEpanel and then upload it and extract it to the Hostgator cpanel.

Cheers,
Suzanne

Hi Suzanne!

I have just installed Wordpress on HostGator including the SQL Dbase for a new domain.

However, I would appreciate more detailed information on moving my SQL Dbases from my 3 other domains at Host4Profit. One of the 3 also has an article directory but I imagine they would all be the same. Specifically how would I tell FTP where to put the Dbase @ HostGator, as it is not in the public_html directory. (is it?)

I would send you the email but I thought maybe it might be good to share this with everyone.

As well I would like to mention that I added about 20 "add on" domains to HostGator. For whatever reason on all but 9 they did not add correctly:

11 appeared as sub-domains of the 9 that worked rather than their own directories.

1. They could not be deleted - although it looked as if they had been, they were still 'somewhere' and when I tried to re-add them I would get either 'already exists' or 'not added, domain wrapper error blah blah'.

2. Even they could not delete them. After 5 phone calls, 3 or 4 emails to internal tech support, 24 hours, the only solution they had was to wipe my entire account out and I have to start over with nothing.

3. I suspect the problem is that I have domains that I own dotcom, dotnet, dotbiz and I fear that it will happen again when I try to re-add those ("domain wrapper").

My point however is Host4Profit would never have left me to recover by myself from what was their system error. They would have totally rebuilt it for me.

As well, I asked several times what may have caused the error so that if I might prevent the same thing from happening again and got no answer, David at H4P would have explained in detail...

So I guess sometimes 'you get what you pay for'. I wish I could afford to leave my 3 sites at Host4Profit because I dont' know what I would do if the above problem happened with these 5 year old sites.

[mjcarpe]

Thanks everyone,

It's great to get such responses here,quality shared information!

Pat,

This forum is part of the H4P package, correct?

Do we lose forum membership if we switch hosting?

Suzanne,

Thanks for the info, those things could all cause pain and agony. I am trying work through my main reason for thinking of switching. I have been pretty much trying to do things myself, and have made a few mistakes.LOL My answers always seem to come from here, so the answer Pat gives me about this forum will weigh heavily on my final decision.

No matter what I will not give up this forum membership, there are too many quality people here!!!

Thanks all

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by mjcarpe

Thanks everyone,

It's great to get such responses here,quality shared information!

Pat,

This forum is part of the H4P package, correct?

Do we lose forum membership if we switch hosting?

No matter what I will not give up this forum membership, there are too many quality people here!!!

Thanks all

No, Michael- the forum is actually part of your PIPS membership - I guess the wording needs to change now that we have multiple hosting options.

Again though it would be worth it to keep H4P for 3 months so that you could still earn commissions for WarriorPro.

FYI - even after a few weeks now where we have had the HostGator option on the PIPS sales page - it is running still about 9 to 1 that they pick Host4Profit.

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by Patrician

As well, I asked several times what may have caused the error so that if I might prevent the same thing from happening again and got no answer, David at H4P would have explained in detail...

So I guess sometimes 'you get what you pay for'. I wish I could afford to leave my 3 sites at Host4Profit because I dont' know what I would do if the above problem happened with these 5 year old sites.

In fairness I got the following 'work around' and looks like I am right about the cause in the first place (domain.com.net.biz)

You would not need to advertize the subdomains, you just need to make sure that they are different for each addon domain. So, for instance, if you were addingonlineprofitmaster.com onlineprofitmaster.net and onlineprofitmaster.biz, the subdomains for each could be onlineprofitmastercom.the3rdpartynetwork.com,onlineprofitmasternet.the3rdpartynetwork.com, and onlineprofitmasterbiz.the3rdpartynetwork.com.

[Kooza]

Here are steps I use to transfer databases, I am sure there are many different ways you can do it but I find this method the quickest.

Step 1: In WEBePanel go to MySQL Database Manager and click on the 'view database' link

Step 2: In the left sidebar you will see your database or databases if you have more than one. Click on the link that looks like 'youdomain_com' (that is actually the name of your database)

Step 3: Click the export tab and click the 'go' button.

Step 4: Open a new tab or window in your browser and log-in to your new hosting account. Usually you can access cPanel by typing yourdomain.com/cpanel into your browser.

Step 5: Click on the 'MySQL Database Wizard' and create a new database for each database you have in WEBePanel.

Step 6: Go back to the main section of cPanel and click on the 'phpMyAdmin' link and you should see the domain or domains that you have created in the left hand sidebar. (ignore the 'information_schema' database if you have one)

Step 7: Click on the database in the left sidebar (if you have created multiple databases just start with the first one) and click on the SQL tab.

Step 8: Go back to WEBePanel and copy all of the MySQL data and paste it into the window in cPanel (into your new database) and click the 'go' button.

That's it, if all went well you should get a success message. Just repeat the process for as many databases as you need. You will then need to go and change the configuration files for whatever programmes you are running to reflect the new database name, user name and password.

I hope that is easy to follow.

All the best,
Mike.

[houdy]

I have done a recent post on backing up the database for WordPress. It doesn't really show how to import it into a new host but Mike covered that above.

Backup WordPress Database

What you might want to look at is the image of the wp-config.php file on the post and where to put the new database info on it. You will probably not be able to duplicate the database name, username and password on a new hosting account so you will need to take note of those as you create a new database and then change that info in the config file when it's on the new hosting account.

[Patrician]

Thanks so much Mike - I will give it a shot.

Houdy you better hope this works or I will start screaming 'help Houdy' hysterically and give you all my frustration and aggravation (for a price though!) LOL. I will make you old before your time.

You know I would much rather pay you to do this, but I am trying to cut-back on expenses - and worse my credit line has been cut-back drastically thru no fault of my own/the fault of our wonderful financial managers in this country.

However, ya gotta do what ya gotta do, and so don't leave town. please.

lol.

p.s. i am very proud that i have installed a wordpress client MYSELF. Humor me and please go and look, people. All compliments are welcome. LOL I haven't done anything to it yet, but this is a start.

http://www.veretekkian.com

[mjcarpe]

Originally Posted by Patrician

No, Michael- the forum is actually part of your PIPS membership - I guess the wording needs to change now that we have multiple hosting options.

Again though it would be worth it to keep H4P for 3 months so that you could still earn commissions for WarriorPro.

FYI - even after a few weeks now where we have had the HostGator option on the PIPS sales page - it is running still about 9 to 1 that they pick Host4Profit.

Thanks Pat,

It's good to know that we don't lose the forum if we switch hosts.

Also good to know about your personal experience with host gator support.

[alloke613]

Originally Posted by mjcarpe

Alloke,

If I read and understand that info correctly, no hosting account no affiliate program.


Which now brings up warrior forum, is it also dependent upon hosting account?

Ya, That was what I understood when I read it last time.

Originally Posted by Patrician

If you had your Host4Profit hosting account for a minimum of 3 months (billing periods) then you will still make commissions from WarriorPro/Host4Profit Resellers if you change hosts.

You can also join the HostGator affiliate program without having their hosting account.

Thanks Pat for the info. I was thinking to change my hosting from H4P to HG due to the technology and the price but it seems like I may get in trouble in transferring the domain if I am not savvy enough in the transferring technique.

Originally Posted by Suzanne Morrison

I posted this list in another thread, but thought it might be helpful here for anyone who is considering moving. At the moment I have my websites spread about over a few hosts - Host4Profit, Hostgator, 1&1 Uk and Blue Host

If you are moving from Host4Profit to Hostgator, there are a few things that you need to think about first:

(4) When you have moved the files you will need to change the domain name settings to point to the new host's name servers. How you do this depends on where you registered your domain name. You certainly don't want to be changing your domain name as you would lose all links pointing to it.

Can I have more info about this? How to change domain name setting?

Originally Posted by Patrician

As well I would like to mention that I added about 20 "add on" domains to HostGator. For whatever reason on all but 9 they did not add correctly:

11 appeared as sub-domains of the 9 that worked rather than their own directories.

1. They could not be deleted - although it looked as if they had been, they were still 'somewhere' and when I tried to re-add them I would get either 'already exists' or 'not added, domain wrapper error blah blah'.

2. Even they could not delete them. After 5 phone calls, 3 or 4 emails to internal tech support, 24 hours, the only solution they had was to wipe my entire account out and I have to start over with nothing.

3. I suspect the problem is that I have domains that I own dotcom, dotnet, dotbiz and I fear that it will happen again when I try to re-add those ("domain wrapper").

My point however is Host4Profit would never have left me to recover by myself from what was their system error. They would have totally rebuilt it for me.

As well, I asked several times what may have caused the error so that if I might prevent the same thing from happening again and got no answer, David at H4P would have explained in detail...

So I guess sometimes 'you get what you pay for'. I wish I could afford to leave my 3 sites at Host4Profit because I dont' know what I would do if the above problem happened with these 5 year old sites.

There seem like so many problems with HG. I think is not the time to change until I get more knowledge about it.

Originally Posted by Patrician

Thanks so much Mike - I will give it a shot.

Houdy you better hope this works or I will start screaming 'help Houdy' hysterically and give you all my frustration and aggravation (for a price though!) LOL. I will make you old before your time.

You know I would much rather pay you to do this, but I am trying to cut-back on expenses - and worse my credit line has been cut-back drastically thru no fault of my own/the fault of our wonderful financial managers in this country.

However, ya gotta do what ya gotta do, and so don't leave town. please.

lol.

p.s. i am very proud that i have installed a wordpress client MYSELF. Humor me and please go and look, people. All compliments are welcome. LOL I haven't done anything to it yet, but this is a start.

The Veretekkian Sentinel

Pat, your new blog look nice but the links do not open in new browser or tab. Is it ok with you?

[Patrician]

Yes that is a problem with the theme - the links are hyperlinks but you have to click the button to read 'full post' and then the hyperlinks work...

I need to change the theme but I really like that picture of the ocean. silly.

I also don't like it has no 'home' link when you are off reading whole post

Thanks for the feedback Alex you will motivate me to do what I need to do!

[Suzanne Morrison]

Pat -Looks like Kooza has already given you some good instructions, so I won't bother repeating something similar

Alloke613 - if you register for a Hostgator account you will be given two name servers. You will need to go to the place where your domain was originally registered and update the domain name servers to point to the new ones. If you registered your domain name with H4P then you will need to email them to ask them for the login details for your domain name management if you don't already have them.

Cheers,
Suzanne

[Sharon Lambkin]

I have had several hosts - wouldn't trade Host4Profit for any of them.

Customer service is unbeatable - that means a lot.

Easy to work your pages.

Sub domaines for reasonable fees.

Have 2 or 3 sign up under you and your hosting is free - mine has been free for several years now.

[Kooza]

Hi Sharon, it looks like your sites are all basic HTML sites which means H4P will be perfectly fine for you. If you ever wanted to install Wordpress or Joomla you would find it is a different story.

Sub domains are free I think you mean add-on domains which are free with most other hosting companies but H4P charge for them.

Most hosting companies have an affiliate programme so you can effectively receive free hosting if you refer some affiliates. Admittedly they don't pay $10 but thats's because the hosting costs a third of what H4P's does.

All the best,
Mike.