Hi Joseph,

After reading your post from the start to the very end, I am sure that I will follow you from the start of your project here to the very end too...

All the best of luck and JUICE...

great thread, still have to finish reading but I have learned a lot from this when I read through most of it a month ago and so far have had great success, one of my sites which I built 3 weeks ago is already on the first page for a competitive adsense keyword with over 48k searches per month

I'm using Scroogle Scraper here to work out who is who on my potential top 5 rankings. In the case you don't know about Scroogle Scraper - its a software (website) that allows you to search for Google rankings and its unbiased. Thus, it will not necessarily show up your own site as being number one, simply because its unbiased towards you, whereas Google is not. Google will take a bias towards your own search requirements.

Also, for purposes of this challenge, Scroogle Scraper is okay - albeit it does provide different results in different countries. Over-all though, its probably fairer to assess for a top ranking using the Scroogle rather than a general Google search query.

I could fire up another software I have (paid for) - SEO Elite, and do further assessments, but this is not entirely necessary I think. I don't want folks to go buying all forms of software for keyword searches and all sorts, when to be honest much of the best research can be done totally and absolutely free.

Take the Google External Keyword Tool as a perfect example of free at its best!!

I think I've finally got my keyword.

More on that shortly...

J

So, what am I looking for when assessing my comp in Google?

Yup, top 10 to top 20 ranking in Google for my desired keyword.

I will then go through each of them - check them out - my potential competition in Google that is. Assess their website.

To be honest, I'm not going to be winning any ranking prizes for my site design skills (please read my recent post (30 April on my website

I Made a Mess of Working on an HTML – Based Site

Embarrassing!)

Simple and fast is what turns me on (I'm discussing websites here). So when I'm checking some of these sites now (my potential top competition in Google) - well, they are indeed very arty and nice to look at. Some are a bit clunky though - difficult to navigate around. This puts me off. I like nice simple interfaces.

Take Go Daddy for example. Nice and glossy for sure, but geeee - so difficult to navigate. Far too many offers all over the place. I don't use Go Daddy at all now - in part due to this clunky set up/interface, and in part cos they've caused me all sorts of problems when trying to register a simple domain name. Their security measures seem to me to be way over the top!

I use Dynadot for ALL my new site registrations. Its fairly simple and gloss-free. Its also a bit cheaper than Go Daddy, unless you want .info domains, which are incredibly cheap on Go Daddy - last time I looked anyhow.

After a while, you get what is called "bulk-buy" discounts on Dynadot. Thus, I can get a .com for a low price of $7.50 (almost 11 bucks on Go Daddy!) or a .net for only $5.99. Fantastic! I think .org is about $8 or so.

Hmmm... I got sidetracked...



I look firstly for Google PR when assessing my potential competition. Say my competition in the top 10 all have PR5s or so, well then, I have a job on my hands! If the keyword is really worth going for (its going to offer really good pay-back in one form or another) then this will not necessarily put me off.

What else? How many pages are Goog indexed? Many of the big boys and girls who are ranking at the top for the best keywords (best here I mean by most searched for) have massive websites with often in excess of half a million pages indexed. Don't let that put you off in entirety. But keep it in mind that if you do come across smaller sites your job may be made rather easier to outrank them.

What next? Well of course - backlinks!! Sure thing, you will NEVER find out how many backlinks your comp really have, but you can get a very rough idea by doing a Yahoo search for the site in question (see * below) and then you should at least double that figure and more. Yahoo shows up more backlinks to a site than do Google (by a long way!).

There is a feature in Google Webmaster account where you can find the number of links to a site, which I understand is possibly a more accurate assessment. Don't know though, I stick with the Yahoo determination of backlinks to a site.

There is no software product that I know about that will be able to show all the backlinks to any website. I use SEO Elite on occasion - a product by Brad Callen and his brother Matt, but even this fairly expensive software will not tell me all I need to know.

Now if you were really doing your homework you would also check out these backlinks. Where are they coming from? What is the PR of the sites that they are coming from? Are they very much related sites to the one we are researching - the one we are just about to build?

Unfortunately you can't see the hyperlinked text in the backlink (maybe you could if you want to load up each individual website but that would take days to do).

Next up - domain age. The older the domain the more established it is, and this gives it "weight" and makes it more difficult (although not impossible!) to outrank.

And finally, the Alexa ranking. Obviously if you are competing against a site that is top thousand ranking in Alexa, then again, you have a job on your hands. Stand up all those who work a lot on product-related domains. You all know precisely what I mean here, right? Your Amazons, your eBays, your NextTags, and your YouTubes and EzineArticles etc.

Quite frankly these sites are a pain in the behind if you want to rank high for product-related stuff, for example, toys, work tools, jewelry and so forth. But, one thing you got in your favor against such mighty sites as these is...

Most of 'em don't have time to get backlinks to their specific product webpage. Thus the page will not be ranking on backlinks but on the other factors just mentioned. Well okay then, we all know that backlinks are mighty powerful in the eyes of the major search engines, right? Dang sure they are too! So we can't compete with these mighty sites on most of the above factors can we? But, we most certainly can when it comes to high quality backlinks to our sites/web pages, which is PRECISELY WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO! Wow, we're on a roll now!

YOu see, ranking in the search engines is really about being just that bit more savvy than your competition - and that includes those massively powerful guys and girls up there that we all know so well. THEY CAN AND WILL BE BEATEN BY US LITTLE (VERY SMART) FOLKS!!


Mmmmm... there is something else here too that can go in our favor/favour - our choice in domain name! Now okay, I don't work much with Bing.com nor with Yahoo! Search, so I don't really know for sure if they really rate a relevant domain name like Google does. I suspect they actually do though - and I say this because I have obviously done some checking with regards my own sites in the past, and often times I've been ranking rather nicely in Yahoo and in Bing too. More on this to come.

Okay, so what do I mean by our choice in domain name? Most IM'ers (internet marketers) know that by plucking out a domain name with an exact match to our keywords/keyword phrase we wish to rank for, we will certainly be given some advantage, some kudos in and by Google.

I have to say that its not so unusual to see some site with a PR0 that is less than a year old that is ranking well against some other sites that have high PR and are years and years old. Furthermore, sometimes these PR0 sites have little to no backlinks to be seen.

So what the heck is going on here?

The site owner nabbed the domain name that was up for grabs that was a 100% match to their desired keywords. For example... desired keywords "toys for Christmas 2010". Our domain name would be www.toysforchristmas2010.com (or .org or .net). Hmmm, I ain't checked to see if that domain is available... If not, what about Christmas 2011 and so on...?? If we were to get those domain names some years in advance imagine the power they would have in Google's eyes come Christmas time of that particular year. There you have a hot tip for free!

Okay, I will not labor on about this as most of us get it anyhow. Its not so easy to get decent domain names now anyhow, if this is your game. I have another method however, that it seems to me to provide equally good results, and ultimately "can" lead to top Goog rankings.

No secret but its often overlooked by folks who are glued to the idea of getting a precise match no matter what!


There is one more thing I did not mention - cache. If the site has been cached recently it generally means that its been updated, which is no bad thing. After all, we are told that one of the advantages of a blog (no matter its a WordPress blog or what) is that its set up to be updated fairly regularly, thus it will be cached in Google etc fairly often.

To be honest, I don't necessarily think this makes a large difference because it seems to me that many of the top-ranking sites are not updated often at all. By all means come back to me if you have a different opinion on this, thanks.

More soon...

J


* If you use Firefox for your searches then you should if not already done so, download the SEO Quake tool. Free, of course! Once you have this installed, for every web search you make you will see (provided you turn the tool on for use) all the stats for Google PR's, the number of indexed pages in Google, Yahoo and Bing.com, age of domain etc. etc. Totally
indispensable if you want to do regular SEO work for your own websites, it really is!

Joseph thank you this is really marvelous I did not really believe that you will make it to this fare that you have reached. Please keep on with the good were on you shoulders peeping on your screen thanking for welcoming are bearing with us.

Great post - Pat Flynn at SmartPassiveIncome.com referred me to this post

Great info, thanks very much.

-G

Hey Joseph,
Interesting to follow . . .

Mohammad, welcome and thank s for stopping by! Enjoy the "ride"!

UMS, yup, totally! Go Daddy should now be called "SLOW DADDY". I find the site so, so slow to work with cos its gotten so clunky and big.

Good tip about NameCheap.com and the coupons being available. I'm sure I checked them out a couple months back for a small glut of domains I was going to bye up only to find that cos it was the beginning of a new month all the coupons had expired. Life goes on, huh...

J

SEOForU, LordGryn, Edd Fulus - many thanks for stopping by and offering up your support guys - much appreciated indeed! I've a lot more coming your way so please bookmark the thread - a lot more real juicy stuff coming up!

Terence, pleasure is mine! Anything else that's not clear then please let me know and I shall do my best to explain it further. I've just been out to one of Kuching's (Malaysia) wonderful hawker centers - wow, the food is soooo delicious! Anyhow, I was thinking - mmmm... is there a niche for chopsticks? You know, the really decorative ones that you get in this part of the world. Worth having a quick check, no?

My girlfriend is often wondering what's on my mind when I look in a bit of a daze... well, there you have it!

Hi SOED, thanks for stopping by and leaving your feedback. Nice to have you following along!

As I mentioned in a previous post, its not the Alexa rank of the particular web page that I am discussing here, its the over-all Alexa ranking of the sites that I am competing against that I'm looking at.

Thus YouTube is 3, ezinearticles.com is something around 130 etc.

Its the "juice" that is given by these sort of factors which then has a number of other knock-on effects, which I was interested in here, not the actual Alexa ranking of the video itself.

Thanks for pointing that out however.

Regards
Joseph

Nothing what-so-ever SEOD!

I suspect its due to the traffic generated from the forum here, hence big ol' Goog is sitting up and paying attention, which is PRECISELY what I want!!


The template on my site? Its cos I CAN use it very easily. I like the very simple set up and I am not one for fiddling around with such things - I'm not at all good at it!!

I have of course tried various other templates in the past - paid hundreds of dollars for this that and the other, but I much prefer this simple one by Denis Bernardy (who is a very helpful chap indeed!).

Furthermore, I find that such a simple set up is great for click thru on AdSense. Some of my sites, even though they get little traffic, generate regular very high click thrus cos of their simplicity. Works a treat!

Hi ReferNShare (nice username!),

thanks for following along! Its good I can be of some help to your own campaigns in future - that's what this is all about, really. Its not perfection in itself and there is room for some improvements. Although having said that the internet is fast moving so we all have to constantly try to adapt as best we can do.

Twitter - I'm missing out on Twittering actually. Its not something I have embraced nearly enough. So there is one imperfection of my technique for sure!

I would certainly be appreciative of anyone who wishes to Twitter and Tweet this thread! The more people who I can help and encourage, then the more I feel I have done my "job".

Actually, once this 40 day challenge is complete I am going to further embrace the social-media type scene - Twitter, Digg, Stumbleupon etc. Although I have learned that "this sort" of site visitor is not going to be a buyer, there is much more to be gained than this somewhat blinkered view would suggest.

Furthermore, because I now put much more emphasis on real quality stuff - giving much more to the community, so to speak, I suspect that my work is going to be much more appealing to the social networks than it was previously.

Thus there will be a much more natural progression in the search engines rather than so much "falsity" in the pursuit of attaining backlinks.

This is my point of view as an SEO'er and I don't mean to offend anyone. I just think that SEO should be much more natural - where internet searchers actually choose the best content for their needs, rather than trying to force feed them what is not actually best for them.

Hope this makes sense. Its a bit of a rant actually....

Onwards with the Challenge!

Thanks again...
J

Hi BBDirect, thanks for stopping by and reading ALL my posts!

I agree - everything I post is well worth reading. To skip any of it is simply potentially missing out on something really juicy that can benefit someone no-end in their own SEO methods, and more besides.

I don't say that to bang my own drum here. Much of what I have learned I have taken from some of the top SEO'ers around on the internet. Most of it I had to pay quite a lot of money to get access to. Thus its very high quality and workable stuff I'm providing. And no, I'm not breaking copyright - this stuff has been tweaked around by me, so if you like, its all my own stuff (unique content), although without re-inventing the proverbial wheel.

Add to this the fact that I have tried out and tested the methods I am discussing. Some can be improved upon as I just mentioned re Twitter for example, but even if you were to use a few of the methods I have discussed and will be discussing in the coming days to weeks, you will be pushing your own SEO campaigns forward, perhaps even by leaps and bounds!

To your success!

Hi Angela, thanks for popping by!

Did you notice the lack of lady SEO'ers on this thread? I'm unsure as to why that is. So from that point of view a special welcome to you!


As mentioned Angela, yup, the site was indexed by Goog within about 12 hours - and the reason why I can only suspect is the traffic its getting from the forum here.

For sure there are already a number of backlinks to the site - from this thread and perhaps from other webmasters or Twitterers etc. This should also help no doubt!

Its a bit too much effort to make to merely get rapid indexing, sure you agree Angela.


You wish to index your backlinks to your site/s. So for example here, you want to ensure your articles are all indexed by Google, is this what you are asking me?

If so, you can ping them using various online ping services such as this very handy tool...

Ping-o-Matic!


Or you can indeed supply those articles or your social media posts etc with some backlinks. I shall be doing some of this in the coming days.

However, if you are mass producing stuff and sending it out all over the web then its impossible to trace everything - or, if not impossible, simply not worth your time doing that. There are other ways to utilize your time that is/are much more productive.

Check out Andy Black's website for finding out your stuff that's not yet indexed and how to index. His site is full of good content.

How To Find Out Your Competitors Top Keywords | Andy Black: Online Entrepreneur

Hope this helps!

Regards
J

Liz, great to have you here!

As the saying goes... "all for one and one for all!".

Yes, The Three Musketeers...

You are here for me and "pushing" me along and really motivating me, while I am here for you in providing some HOT stuff that's gonna help kick-start your campaigns, if they are struggling to be kick-started in the first place that is

To your health and well-being!
Regards
J

Hi Daniel, thanks for stopping by!

I have been "revealing" my SEO techniques from the get-go and am certainly not hiding anything. As surely you noticed, no? So there is no beating about the bush as you quaintly put it.

And as for a WSO at the conclusion of the Challenge. No actually, not something I had thought about, but thanks for the suggestion anyhow.

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TDPubs, good to see you here! Hope you can learn a lot from the process I am going through with my own site. Should be fun!


Regards
J

Hi Fated, thanks for bookmarking!

An ebook... Yes, I'm open to all forms of possibilities really. But never did set out with the intention of profiteering directly from this thread, as some would suggest.

I'm utterly driven by ranking sites and not much else comes close to that when we're talking motivation. And trying to impress on others that it can be done and it does not take years to do, simply drives me even more.

Thus it may be a good move to set up a forum and "teach" various techniques to all those in need of some direction when it comes to SEO'ing. Would be good to get some feedback from everyone on this approach.

But for sure, we all have bills to pay and we all crave for a decent lifestyle.

We'll see how things pan out Fated. Maybe this whole Challenge will fall well short of expectation, and everyone departs in total disappointment

Thanks again and look forward to seeing you again on here!

Regards
Joseph

Hi Moe, many thanks for coming by here!

I kinda like the idea about the new Twilight movie (Eclipse, so I found out today) being out in the States at the very end of June. So if I can indeed rank top 5 for the Twilight Poster site by then its really nice timing!

However, I think the bulk of sales are still going to be for November/December.

But yes, the keywords/site can be turned around quickly if one form of monetizing does not work. If eBay does not pull in some sales then I may just slap up some AdSense and leave the site content pretty much as is right now.

How long would that take me? Minutes!

Enjoy the fun Moe!

Best!

Joseph

Hi SEOD, yes Blog Blueprint is pretty good although its been having a fair amount of teething problems. Still working out though. As you said, $57 a month is not within the affordable range for many IM'ers.

The problem with offering up a service for posting to BB for others is that its limited to 20 posts per day. That equates to 20 links and if you have say 20 sites its only 1 link per site per day.

There are other services that offer a similar set up and indeed I shall be discussing one a little further down the pathway. But these tend to be even more costly. However, there are more flexible ways around meeting costs for other services. Again, I may well go into that a little later on.

I'm very much one for trying to figure a way to allow "things" to be more affordable for anyone who wants to use a particular service to further their online career. Providing it does not entail being banned from a particular service due to some form of "abuse". I had a very close call recently with regards such an incident, where I was merely trying to do someone a favor.

Take care!
J

Hi AdderNoggins, thanks for coming by and commenting!

With regards all this info on the thread - if you are kinda new to this then I suggest taking notes and then tackling things stage by stage. I'm doing all this start to finish as I would with any other of my sites, except to say this is FULL ON. Usually I plod a bit here and a bit there.

So its just a case of generally following the same format but perhaps at a slower pace to suit your own situation.

Change bits here and there to suit yourself. I do - I do not use precisely the same techniques time and again. I'm going full out to try and meet/beat the Challenge, but otherwise my techniques would change a bit to suit whatever I'm working on, and my mood too. :p

Article marketing is a fantastic method for SEO'ing, as most people would tell you. It can be hard work though and it does require a lot of motivation, particularly if you are seeing little to no hard-cash for your efforts!

Therefore, spinning software is actually a big help here cos it makes light of really "heavy" work.

As previously mentioned, The Best Spinner by Jon Ledger is the best spinner I've come across to date! My own opinion however. Its only a buck for the first week so well worth giving it a shot!

Best to you AdderNoggins!
Regards
J

Hi o0haco0o,

thanks for coming by here and for your question re keywords for your hosting company.

At first sight/thought, and as you stated, hosting is one heck of a hot topic simply due to the amount of money that can be made. And that's not only for the hosting company itself but also for affiliates there-of.

What do they pay out for aff commissions now? Something in the region of $100 plus for each sign-up? Therefore its not easy money for most - not any longer, simply due to the sheer competitive nature of the domain (pardon the pun!).

I'll see what there is around. Perhaps wise to start off with low-hanging fruit where the monthly search volume is not so high, but the competition is not so hot that its gonna take a year to rank.

Over time, as you build up your site/blog (depending on how you wish to point your main targeting efforts to boost traffic), its a good idea to begin going for the bigger rewards due to your own website gaining "accolade" in the likes of Google's eyes.

That's not to say you should not endeavour to rank for high comp keywords from the very outset. I suspect I would myself! Just that its best to realize that faster rewards are to be had from picking the low hangers and working your way up. This keeps your own goals fresh and motivation high cos you can see relatively early results.

I'll PM you with some potentials a little later o0haco0o

See what you make of them...

Since you can't PM me my email is josef.archibald@ymail.com

Cheers!
Joseph

Hi Jake, thanks for coming by!
Nice tip re Namecheap and thanks for sharing that!
No doubt this will benefit a lot of folks who are reading along on this thread!
Great stuff!



Hi jorjefarnandis, yup, I know exactly where you're coming from!
For months, even years I too was thoroughly troubled by getting good Google rankings. No matter what I seemed to try did not seem to fit.

I never gave up though, even though there is MANY a time when I thought it would be a wise move to pack my bags and move on (this was also the thinking of many of those close to me - friends etc.). I can be incredibly stubborn however, so no matter what anyone says to me, I know when its best to persevere with something.

Now this is not to say I make a mass of money every year. But, let's see how this WF Challenge pans out and then we can all make a few more judgement calls if the techniques I'm using for this actually work or not.

I think that what I've written up so far is fairly sound SEO stuff, hence the reason so many folks are following along. Folks know a good thing when they see/sense it, so to speak.

Let's hope for everyone that what I am doing does get the results I/we seek. Cos if it does then its merely a case of emulating my tactics to achieve similar results, time and time and time again!

Regards
J

Hi Oohoaco, that sounds like a very workable combination really. I know my own hosting company offer up the same combination but they don't seem to push it much (or, I may be wrong there).

No doubt there's a massive demand for both skills on a seperate basis so it would make sense that the combination would be thoroughly workable, particularly with a very personalized service provided, I suspect.

If you could manage to provide the personal "touch" with your service and still make the venture nicely profitable - yup, that's potential for winner in my mind!

Anyhow, I shall let you get back to me via email so we can continue this discussion further.

Regards
J

Hi Networth, thanks for coming by!

Yes indeed that is the case - some keywords can be ranked for within days if you so wish, but at the sacrifice (generally) of potential traffic and thus potential profits.

My aim here is to tackle a rather tough keyword in a relatively short time frame to hopefully prove that it is possible to attain results - even with a somewhat tricky agenda. Thus in essence, its also proving (in many ways) that you can make decent money on the internet even now that it is soooo competitive.

Thanks again...
Regards
J

Tamtu, thanks for coming by, its really nice to have you following along with the Challenge! Hope you gain some benefit!

Kind regards
Joseph

Hi Jason, you caught me just before I turned off my laptop for the night, but as I'm a total "work-a-holic" I thought I'd get back to you immediately

Many thanks for your kind words and encouragement!

I think it wise to try each and every thing I have mentioned, but after that, do find your own way for doing things. I do things my way - it suits my abilities (or lack of!) and it suits my "lazy" style. Kinda odd that - a lazy work-a-holic!

Just keep on tweaking and find what is comfortable for you - make it personal - you'll enjoy it much more! Try to keep aware of any big changes that are occuring with Google, with Yahoo or with Bing. Just touch base with the forums occasionally as there's always chat - much of which is very much hear-say, occasionally its factual.

In fact, I don't do much watching of the forums myself, but over the months to years I've hooked in with some of the best SEO'ers and their auto-responders - email messages. Takes time to work out who is really TOP and who is simply all talk. Comes with experience though - you can soon tell.

Its a pretty good way to monitor what's going on out there without spending lots of time searching around.

Kind regards to you Jason and thanks again!

J

Hi Tamtu, thanks for you comments! I went with the designer's choice and because she's done such a lovely job with no money exchanging hands (I provided a link to her site form the Twilight Poster site in the footer there) I'm inclined not to pester her to tweak things

By the way, I like the site you have linked in your sig. Its very pretty and simple. Very cute!

Take care!
Regards
J

Hi Enwereuzo, thanks for your query!

Software - a broad niche for sure. Is there a specific area that you are interested in and have knowledge about? If so you can research this niche to find a sub-niche where the search volumes are lower but the amount of comp is also much lower.

Having said that, I spoke with a gentleman the other day who was also targetting an immensely competitive niche. When it came down to it, even the low comp niches were fairly much dominated by high PR sites and mature domains. Very tough!

However, he eventually decided that he would take a long term approach and target some of those competitive keywords (not much choice) simply because the end reward would be very much worth it.

He'd made his goal, which is very much a large part of what SEO is actually about. Setting short term and long term goals and being realistic about what you can and cannot achieve within the time frame and with your current "assets" (software etc.), so to speak.

Do take into account that it is very easy to become disillusioned unless you assess and reassess your goals. I'm no psychologist so perhaps enough of this semi-psycho talk from me. I know how it feels to be THOROUGHLY disillusioned regarding the game of SEO however, and its no pleasant experience that's for sure!

So therefore, it depends on many factors which only you can decide. You can of course persevere and go for a tight niche with fewer comp and thus reap faster rewards with the sacrifice of lesser returns, or you could go long term for a tougher niche area but with richer pickings at the sacrifice of it not coming any time soon.

And this latter option also is dependent on your own confidence in being able to rank for those tough keywords too.

I suggest to you if you use some of the techniques I have discussed, in time (depending on your software, your work ethic, your motivation etc.) you will indeed be able to rank for some of the tougher keywords if you so desire it. No guarantee can be made from me about that until I could see what you were actually up against.

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With regards your second question - that's too tough a call to make with any possibility of being any where near accurate.

Due to a high number of software-related keywords being high value for click-thrus, I do suspect you would not have too much problem attaining this sort of income, providing your site/s are ranking well for what will no doubt be a tough niche (or tough niches) to crack. Again, it would be imprudent of me to provide a definitive answer here.

Its all possible, it really is, but I suspect you will have to plan longer term for this to come about. If you are comfortable with that then you already have a headstart. Mindset is very important!

I could go on and on Enwereuzo but I hope you get the gist of this scenario. Its not possible to give you any definite answers as there are so many variables here to consider.

Good luck and kind regards!

Joseph

Joesph this is a great thread, normally I am a "lurker" but I had to come up long enough to say thanks. I have to admit though you lost me thoroughly on the article backlinking strategy.

I'm back!

Haha, not gone for tooo long!

Great, super and a big thanks to those of you have left comments over the past few hours while I was otherwise entertained.

I'll be getting back to you shortly and then will go ahead with some more hot info that should be a really nice pointer to (hopefully) quite a few of you reading this thread.

Further, I would appreciate some thoughts as to "what's next" once the conclusion of the 40 day Challenge has indeed - concluded.

How can I help to push forward more of YOUR SEO campaigns and IM riches?

Any and all ideas about this will be kindly received - let's have a chat about it - I'd really like to know what YOU want!


I'll see you again soon!

Kind regards
J

Braden, thanks indeed and I hope to see you here over the coming few weeks! Its exciting to see the progress, hope you agree!

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RWT, nice to see you here and thanks for the postive feedback! Yes, I know all about forum "lurking" but sometimes I gotta come out of the background and add my piece too. Its real good you have done the same!

What part of the article marketing strategy is not too clear? All of it??

By all means let me know what you are having issues with and I'll try to re-word it for you RWT.

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1MauiGirl, thanks indeed for your "heartfelt" thanks! Ya, info overload comes to most of us, right? Me too, for sure!

So, you got the Twilight Poster"z" site sitting 6th in Goog in Maui - that's cool! Indeed MauiGirl - 'you watch your back numero uno cos I'm coming for you now!!' (is this the point I fall flat on my face hehehe!).

Sites for people is where I'm heading MauiGirl. I don't wanna be doing the churning out content any more. Actully, has to be said that I am really enjoying writing articles for the Twilight site, even though I would find it tough to write about the Twilight Saga alone. I just wrote one about vampires yesterday - the original vamp - by Bram Stoker. It was crafted way back in 1897, so its even older than me!

I guess what I'm saying is that for many niche topics you can perhaps find a "slant" to them that fits relatively nicely with your own true interests. Makes this whole thing about writing a mass of quality content so much easier and so much more rewarding - and that is precisely how it should be! I know you agree.

You been doing this stuff for a long while now! I started back around then too - 2004, with a Corey Rudl (God rest his soul!) product, but sad to say I did not progress to building a site like you did. That came a bit later after purchase of a Jim Edwards DVD set.

Could you PM me the site name perhaps MauiGirl? I'd love to have a look-see! It is indeed thoroughly admirable to have your sites sitting top 10 for so long and still making money, even though you don't touch them. What would you put that down to? Domain age, PR, length of time visitor spends on your site, something else, everything together?

Yup, I can see you been on the WF for "donkey's years" but yet your post count is low. Must take a whole lot to get you to post on a thread! Makes me even happier you have done so on this thread, it surely does!

Yes, please do tell your friends about this MauiGirl! I would certainly appreciate it and I suspect that they would too, providing they need a bit of a booster or whatever it may be.

The more people that find out about this thread, about my site in my Sig (I best not do more promoting it cos the mods may wrap my fingers - ouch!). The more people I can help then the better for all of us! Tweet, social bookmark, blog about it, chat on other forums - anything and everything is fantastic, thanks so much!

I'm interested to know the forum you moded too. You obviously have a mass of knowledge - hoping you can communicate a bit more about this please, although I most definitely respect your desire for privacy if you'd prefer that.

I love the Hawaiian language (not that I know it well at all). I love the sound of the words, the names! Po maika.

Hope to hear from you again soon MauiGirl and thanks again for contributing to this thread - very much appreciated!

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Gabriel, thanks a lot for coming by here and contributing!

Directory submissions? You mean like DMoz and Yahoo Directory? If so, unless I'm working for someone else and they are targeting a VERY tough keyword phrase, then I would not bother. Although, if I really covette a top spot for one of my sites and just need that little something extra, I would then consider it further.

Social bookmarking - yup, I do a bit, but not so much these days. I kinda use it to "tickle" sites, just to maybe push them that bit more than they otherwise may be pushed. And for SB I utilize a very cool tool that I'll talk about in the coming days. Na, not the likes of BookMarking Demon or BookMark Wiz. This is a FREE and very COOL tool! And the product owner is one of the best! Here's to you CM!

Blog commenting - again, its something I used to spend time with. Quite a while back I purchased Paul Forcey's Comment Hut (hi Paul!) which was a neat tool for raking through and finding decent quality blogs. There's another one around now - what's it called again... can't remember.

These sort of tools are great for sifting through spammy "rubbish" and finding the little gems out there. After all, there are so, so many no do-follow blogs now that you can waste so much precious time commenting, if you are indeed commenting for backlinking purposes. I steer clear of it in the main. Having said that, if I do find a good blog that's "up my street" so to speak, then I will absolutely comment - time and again, but it is NOT for purposes of SEO. Its purely cos I love the blog and I love the community spirit (and perhaps, sorry to admit this, I need my ego boosted a little bit, cos its been flagging of late - this SEO stuff can be incredibly solitary work/life!) Hands up all those who know precisely what I'm talking about here!

Court Tuttle and Mark Buttler (I mention these guys a fair bit) do talk about trying to obtain a backlink from a high ranking site in your niche. But, how many site owners are going to bother doing that - give you a link to your site, particularly if they are ranking top 10 for a tricky keyword phrase?

I think/know for sure that this methodolgy WILL WORK if there is an incentive for the blog/site owner however. The incentive should perhaps be based on the niche topic in question. A bit like "you scratch my back and I'll be happy to scratch yours". After all, its human nature to share for mutual benefit.

Actually, that last point is a biggie on and offline too, of course. I'm almost always seeing things and asking "how can WE mutually benefit from this scenario?". However, most people are not thinking that at all. They just see "ME, ME, ME".

Perhaps then, in our case, its more about trying to get them to see how we can both/all benefit and thus attain super-high-quality backlinks that way.

What a ramble that was - hope my message is clear however. Thanks again for stopping by and contributing Gabriel!


Kind regards to all!

Jo

Hi Sean, Blog Blueprint - yup, I do both. I take some of my already spun articles and use some of the content in there, or I take something else from ezinearticles.com or whereever and spin the daylights out of that to give me around 120 words or so per snippet, of truly fresh content that I can then add to my BB account ready for approval and publishing.

I've been using Blog Blueprint now for about a month and have NEVER had a single snippet of content rejected. Thus the uniqueness of the snippets must be relatively high - at least to the requirement of the BB editors. And all using The Best Spinner software!

As for how the BB works - its really a question for their support as I am not savvy on everything they utilize. However, they have numerous blogs and websites on all forms of topics/categories. These blogs/sites are populated with loosely related posts (snippets) that are hopefully picked up by the search engines and indexed over time. Therefore, the snippet text link therein is tracked back to your own site/s thus providing a very nice link, thank you!

There are a number of other providers offering a similar-type set up so it does work and can work very well too, providing it is used in tandem with a variety of other backlinking processes.

Take LinkVana as a very good example of a longer term and more established offering that uses the same principles as does the Blog Blueprint. LinkVana however is priced at $147 a month, which is out of reach of many of us SEO'ers. I got a special on that coming up though, so I hope that some folks take advantage of it as its very useful indeed.

Sorry I can't do the BlogBlueprint as a special - they don't have a specific affiliate program for it, which is an oversight on their part!

Most of the BB network of blogs/sites have a fair bit of juice because of age, amount of indexed pages, PR and whatever else (again - something to ask their support team if you need more info).

They've been going through some problems recently due to up and moving to another hosting company, but everything seems to have settled down now and posts are being published every day - 20 per day without fail.

All in all, my experience with them over the past month and the results I've been witnessing relatively quickly upon a number of my own site's rankings means that the cost of $57 a month is truly value for money!

No, this method of attaining backlinks is not natural, but then how many techniques that are used by SEO'ers and IM'ers are "natural"? Its becoming a big bee in my bonnet, but I've huffed and puffed about that over the past couple of days, so I best not do so again now. This software suits my requirements for now as it works well, but will I be following this "unnatural" strategy in 6 months from now? Watch this space...

Hope that makes the use of Blog Blueprint that much clearer Sean. Its a quality product is how I shall finish off here...

Regards
Joseph

Hi Lasse, yes its been a whole lot of fun already, and just into the second week now!

I'm excited (as is everyone it seems) about what's going to be the end result - things are coming together very nicely albeit I'm a little worried that my Squid may outrank the primary target site

The primary target site will take a little longer to mature and only then could hit the very top (yes - I'm gunning for FIRST SPOT) - have to wait and see however....

Thanks for coming by and enjoy the thrills!

Kind regards
Joseph

Hi Michaell, I'm very happy you've found the thread and hope you get a whole lot of benefit from it! I'm obviously not sure where you're at regards your own internet "career" but by all means implement a few of the techniques I've discussed and see what's comfortable for you. Then tweak them here and there to suit your needs and your particular choice in niches.

Enjoy the fun we'll have on this thread!

Best!

Jo

Hi Joseph!

I've been following along with your challenge as well, mainly on the blog (don't visit here too often as I get sucked in and nothing gets done )...

I'm seeing your site at number 6 on my Google, with the Squidoo lens at number 7.

Now, I did have a question for you. I've been trying the Blog Blueprint, and I noticed that the blogs it posts the snippets on are, how should I say this, kind of random. I was kind of thinking they were going to be in the same general category, like all arts and crafts type blogs, or ect.

Does this hurt your blog to have posts from a nonrelated site? I've always been under the impression that you needed to have relevant links. Even though the page rank of the sites I found my snippets on were at least 3, the blog itself did not seem to be that stellar. Will that cause harm in the long run?

I've been enjoying your progress so far! I'm rooting for you to make it to number 1!

Steph

Hi Allan, hey - thanks for doing that - its not something that even occurred to me, really! I'm so focused on the Challenge that I'd really forgotten about the potential monetary value of this thing!

I went through some figures myself Allan and here is what I came up with regards AdSense (pity it was not nearly as high as your own figure!):



twilight posters search vol: 33k x .4 (traffic visiting 1st position) x .25 (/adsense click) x . $1.04 (adsense value) x .05 (clickthru)

$171.60 per month

twilight poster 49,500 x .4 x .25 x 0.96 x .05 = $237.60

("Twilight poster" search volume has gone down from 65k to 49.5k but this month the average should be pushing upwards again due to the movie coming out at the end of June).

TOTAL for both keywords ranking 1st in Google (only Google, so this is not counting the potential for Yahoo which is looking very "sweet"!) $409/ month

That's not bad really - once the work is done, its merely a case of ensuring the site remains in top position for both keyword phrases, which generally does not take much time at all - its the initial effort that takes all the effort.

Spyfu figures:

Twilight posters 22 advertisers at N/A cpc (not sure why this is showing an N/A)

Twilight poster 5 advertisers at 0.32 - 0.74 cpc (a bit above the calculation figures, which is often the case in reality anyhow).


Now let's not forget that these are rough figures. All sorts of issues can crop up - click through could be rubbish (should not be the case because there are enough advertisers for both keywords) (I'm scratching my head trying to think of others....), click thru rate could be much higher - its not difficult to ramp the calculation that we use which is 5% clickthru right up to 15 -30% (sometimes even more!). So even if we are to manage a 10% click thru rate then that's a very serious jump in monthly income!

Fancy dumping the day job and making a fantastic monthly income on the internet anyone??


Anyone got any questions about any of this then please shout out! Thanks!

That's great Allan, thanks for shedding some light on the potential of that scenario!

Oops!

Looks like my math was way off. DOH!

So, I wrote a basic calculator in Javascript based on the formula to make things easier. (formula.txt - save as an .html or .htm for it to work)

Sean, ya - the Scroogle (or HideMyAss tool as SEOed mentioned) is great! Provides a much more accurate impression if you are assessing your own website's ranking!



Blog Blueprint - agreed, it is tedious. Yes, I do use a method for inserting the {bla bla bla} link. In fact, to be straight with you, the whole thing can be almost fully automated. Would you believe that, or should I say it again? I know, totally amazing!

I retrieved this method from a forum I was frequenting so I cannot take credit for it and also, I do not use the full method either, simply because I have no real issue with copy/pasting my text to the BB box for submission.

Here is what you do with the {bla bla bla} bit.

1. Write up your snippet and where you wanna get your hyper text link, just pop in something like xxxx. Don't worry if you are using different text links - no one really bothers if the syntax for the text link is not totally perfect. Just focus on the rest of the article for quality. A couple words out of place with regards syntax are not going to concern anyone. And definitely not Google! Hardly anyone reads this stuff even when its been indexed, so this is not really our concern.

2. Ok, so you got your xxxx in your spun article. You got however many versions of that spun article. Now go get Notepad++ (free download).

3. Now what I do here is to create about 5 folders for my links. So if I'm hitting a single site here, its 5 folders on my desktop for this site. I then go and grab a few of the spun snippets and drop them into each folder. Thus for my homepage and my main keyword I will drop in perhaps 12 snippets into folder one. For my second keyword and perhaps an inner page on my site, I drop in 6 snippets into folder 2... and so on...

4. Now crack open the Notepad++

Go to "Search" at the top

"Find in Files"

Where it says "Find What", type in the xxxx

"Replace with what" - your chosen link - copy and paste in there.

"Directory" - hit that little tab with the ... beside where it says "Directory", then enter the file name that you want to replace the xxxx with your chosen link.

Then go to "Replace in Files" on the right and hit that.

You will be asked if you are sure you wanna do it...sure do!

Then voila! You just replaced all the xxxx with your {bla bla bla} of choice.

And keep on keeping on for every single link/page/site whatever.

Then sit back and think to yourself, darn - how much time did I just save myself doing it that way!!?


More to come about the automation process Sean. Try this out and see how it goes...

Regards
J

Sean, yes oh yes, it works and it works a treat!

Just one way to cut your workload very nicely indeed!

I've got another "pointer" to add too, which can cut down the work even more. No time to write it up right now though, so you'll have to bare with me please. (Now's the time I should be considering outsourcing some of my work load!).

Good luck and enjoy!

Regards
Joseph

Hi DyAdvisor, I'm all ears. Please bare with me and I'll PM you in due course.

Thank you!

Regards
Jo

Ok ... this is my 3rd post here on WF ... yes i'm a noob
i really don't post a lot on forums, i join forums because they force me to join ... otherwise I won't

But this thread i think it has something... something that made me to write.

I know this challenge didn't ended yet, and probably it's too soon for me to reach some conclusion ...

So, what did we learned so far from this thread? ... here is a little summary, Joseph please correct me if i'm wrong... (I'm also here to learn)

1. Analyze the keyword ... yes that's the first thing we should do...

2-3. The second step that Joseph did was to submit articles to article directories... and Joseph pointed us at least 5 directories:

Ezinearticles.com, GoArticles.com, ArticleBlast.com, Amazines.com, ArticleAlley.com, ArticleDashboard.com

at least this is what most of the readers of this tread think... but i beg to differ here....

Recently I've watched a video from Matt Cutts, where he talked about the things that you can do to bring more visitors to your website. There's too many videos with Matt and i just can't find the link to the specific video at this moment. But here is a summary...

One way to bring visitors is to create noise about your website.

You can do this by being "the bad guy" and talk ugly about your competitors, whenever and on as much forums as you can do it to make people ask about your competitors integrity, so they will visit your site to find more about why you spread such words.

You can also be the good guy, and spread the word about your project and make people follow you, by give them something free, something they need. And this is what i think Joseph did... from the first moment before he choose his keyword. Spread the word ...

Now, let's look a little at twilightposterz.com . Just because Joseph announced his project on this forum, at this moment, he has 2 types of audience. 1st type are people who search for "twilight posters" to find some posters to buy or just some pictures to download to put on their screen pc, and 2nd type are a lot of WF people who search for "twilight posters" to check the rank of the site and how it will evolve, 2nd type will vanish in time for sure.

But spreading the word gived Joseph a boost right from the start. So this is the second step if not the first to follow, and put articles submission to 3rd place.

4. Build links to your anchors from article directories to make them stronger. Now, i'm not sure if Joseph used Blog Blueprint to create backlinks only to the anchors. This for sure is not a new technique, like also Joseph stated, but if your anchors are strong enough to support a big amount of links ... BB it's not the only way to do this.

I hate writing articles, and i consider article directories the most pure form of spam, but if it works why not ... there are other ways to get some strong links.

5. Squidoo and Hubpages - and also build backlinks to these using BB

Ok, this is what i remember from all this thread. Joseph pls correct me if I forgot something.

6. Bookmarking?! - Joseph you didn't used bookmarking as a part of your strategy, but you did it with MrWong which you think it gived you a doffolow link. Guess what?! MrWong gives you a nofollow link as far as i know.

But, because you didn't use bookmarks in your challenge, and you stated that you will intend to test the power of social sites in the future, I will, and think most of the followers of this thread are willing too bookmark the site after the 40 days are over ... A lot of us whant to know what effect has the bookmarking, so for example ... if you rank 5 at the end of 40 days ... it will be nice to see if gennuine bookmarks have any effect on your rankings ... and also to see if bookmarking applications are worth the money.

This is my early opinion on this challenge. After 2 years i expect my first payment from adsense , I'm still a noob. I used to track big keywords ... the ones that pay high... you know what i mean ... now i found my keyword, by mistake, searching for something i would like to promote. 165.000 global searches and 90.000 local searches and pays around 1$ as KeywordTool says. The .com is parked, the number 1 and 2 are just a few months old, and i could not resist to buy the .net and .org.
Hope i'll have more luck in the future. And don't expose your keyword unless you are confident with your seo skills like Joseph did.

I'm not a native english speaker, so pardon me for any mistakes.
All credits go to Joseph for this usefull thread. Back to linkbuilding now.

Hi Sean, yes pretty neat re the macro, huh! I was a bit concerned that my step-by-step was not so clear but if you managed to understand it then it couldn't be too bad after all. (I just read your post that you made a bit later - good that you got that part ironed out nicely!


Nevertheless, if anyone is unclear about anything re the macro set-up for automating tasks such as Blog Blueprint, LinkVana etc. then do let me know. I'm not the guy to be fiddling around with these sort of programs, after all - SEO is my game, but I'll try to make it clearer if necessary.


Page 7 on Google - yuck! Mind you, its probably dancing at the moment - I just released a number of articles via UAW plus a few other bits and bobs are heading its way with regards backlinks. No doubt affecting the balance of the site in the rankings. (I hope its that anyhow! ).


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I must mention this - I said yesterday that I would add AdSense to the site. I can't! I'd get my account snapped shut as soon as I get a few clicks from the WF. So it has to stay as is for now, sorry to say!


Thanks for your understanding!

Regards
J

Sheena, I hope I'm exploding your brain in a positive way

No need for snippets from Blog Blueprint at all. I only use this to really help ramp up my campaigns and have to afford such tools as its my job.

Low comp micro niches are a great place to get fine results without having to go to town regards a lot of very high quality backlinks. You can buy a single domain and build that out with good content and good long-tails, get a few quality backlinks going up over time and enjoy watching the rankings for every page you are backlinking too become better and better.

Simply use the freebies - article directories, Squids, Blogspot, Wordpress.com and others besides. And do also use social bookmarking sites but just be careful not to overdo it. All free after all. I'll be writing a post soon about what I use for SB links and its a free tool and really good one too! You should have pretty much enough there to get some good to great results with long tails that have not much in the way of real competition.

If you got a lot of sites at the bottom of page one or start of page 2 of Goog - should be a case of just nudging them with a number of really nice backlinks and all should come good given a bit of time Sheena.


Best wishes!

Jo

Pleasure is mine Sheena!

Just keep the links coming slowly and surely and don't go all out like I'm "having" to do (hence no need for Blog Blueprint or similar costly software products). Your sites may dance a little, but its such a pleasure to see those sites rise a place one day, then another place in a couple more days. And on and on until... Yes, the ultimate goal of top spot is yours and yours alone!

And that's when you crack open the Champagne!

Enjoy the journey upwards!

Joseph

Hey Joseph,
FYI i am another girl appear response to your thread now...
I have used my past one hour to finish all the thread here
I am very impress of what you have done so far, I would love to have a little advise from you. I start my website just 1 and half month hiv- home- tests dot com; i actually also sell the product worldwide, but i haven't been doing good on the SEO. I have written up articles and post like you do, blog commenting every day, and also directories submitting, i just don't know what i have done wrong...
I run your website on backlinkwatch and it shows up 13 backlink, which compare to mine i already have 157 but then how can you achieve what you position on google now? I don't understand i am not rank no#1 "hiv home tests" & " hiv home testing" on yahoo, but way 300+ on google. and others just don't seems ranking on google.
i am getting very frustrated and would appreciate if you guide me to the right path.

keep up with your good work, and i support you with all my heart!

Hi Chris, thanks for the great feedback!

It was my original intention to make this whole thread filled with pure, rich, thoroughly useful content and not the yap, yap you often get when you surf around looking for useful info re IM and SEO.

Yes sure, you can contact me at josef.archibald@ymail.com

Look forward to hearing from you!

Regards!
Joseph

Hi Joseph!

Your post is one of the best i have read so far regarding SEO. Your techniques just makes so much sense and it has change my mind about SEO and how can i work to achieve higher rankings which i thought off as impossible or that it took years to achieve. Im actually new to SEO and have no experience at it.

I have one question though and its about how you find content for your articles. Do you write them all, or do you "borrow" some articles over the internet and using the spinner make them so they look as you did write them?
Im confuse about when do you have to keep the author box intact...so for example, if i borrow an article from ezine, and then spin it so it is 60 to 70 % unique, do i have to keep the author box intact? or can i put my own author box?

Thanks for your help and Im looking forward to more of your great techniques

Sean, thanks for telling us about this!

Not happy!

Here it seems that Goog is showing us who is boss, once again. I may be wrong - there may be some technical stuff going down here, but one cannot help but "sense" that Goog is being bossy boots.

I shall write to Mr Brandt at Scroogle HQ (Lavabit ..::.. Home) and ask for Google contact details that he himself uses. This way I intend to add my voice to what I hope are very many other voices, to inform Google that if they want to continue to please their searchers then they should acquiese to our (the internet searching public in general) needs and desires, as would be the case in any democracy.

Gonna Tweet about it too. This should not be allowed to happen if its simply a case of Goog showing us who's boss. We live in an internet democracy that functions due to its freedom of speech and principles there-of. That, after all, is the true foundation of the internet.

It is simply unacceptable to have a big player (Google) making OUR internet a dictatorial world! I had enough of that with eBay recently!

Thanks again Sean!

Regards
Joseph

Hi NenadR,
many thanks indeed for your feedback! Shucks, I think I blushed!

Coaching - oh yes, I've thought about it a lot! I simply love the idea, I really do! But, I gotta be careful what I write up here cos I may upset some folks a little bitty.

So yes, coaching is very high on my list of priorities - very high! I'll be getting word out about this one way or the other in the coming days. Do by all means check the link in my signature below though NenadR. I shall be discussing this possibility on there - just to keep everyone aware of what's coming up etc.

Oh, and do watch my Twittering thingy which I just got up and running - the Twitter followers are building up rather nicely on there.

josepharch is my username on there (don't think I'll be doing any Twitter coaching any time too soon :p)

Thanks again - my head is now so big I gotta go lie down for a minute...

Regards Joseph

Yes, good call Sheena! Not functioning at all:

SOC is giving me nada, and exact phrase is providing a 0 every time! Could be Goog is having a massive overhaul, who really knows - so secretive aren't they? Shhhh! Don't want to give away any of their secrets now do we?

Cheers!
J

Hi Jo -

David here...just posted a comment on your SEO blog last night. Nice to meet you! This thread took me a while between doing IM work last night, and I got up early this morning to finish it and making sure to post here to contribute! We can talk about SE Asia and Malaysia over email perhaps I for certain will be living there at the end of the year.

I started in IM about 4 months ago now, putting all the time in that I can on nights in weekends. I'm a student of The Keyword Academy (TKA) and actually signed up for personal coaching from Court Tuttle to help ensure my success.I must leave the corporate slime-storm (gotta, gotta get out!), so I'm happy to see you mention Court and Mark here.

Court believes in the "supersite" model where building an authority site around a particular area - let's say in this case "appliances" - building lots of internal links, of course related external links, and providing quality content. I'm only focusing on Adsense right now for monetization, and I'm starting to realize the touchiness of this method and putting all your eggs in one basket, but I'm going with the theory of mastering one monetization first, though I'm starting to explore Amazon for those sites that the CPC isn't turning out so great, but they are ranking well as I chose low comp keywords.

I've started about 35 niche sites (all based on generic keywords like "toaster ovens", and a few supersites (around wider topics like "appliances" for example), 2 of which I'm promoting heavily - that have a higher CPC in Adsense typically for their keywords.

I outsource all my writing at this time, but know that it's costly and a ton of time for link building, even though I've negotiated great rates from Native speaker for both original article writing and re-writing. After month 4 into IM I'm making about $300/month but of course I'm putting in money I've saved up slaving away for years in the grind...now I'm really trying to amp up to my income goals of $5000/month by the end of July and by month 4 it's slow going! Probably an unrealistic goal, but I've set it.

My questions are in regards to using your techniques on a supersite/authority site with Adsense. I purchased a site for cheap, that has site age of over 1 year, but very few links built to it. Court is having me go very slowly (in my newb opinion mind you take that with a big grain of salt) for something that has age, but to avoid getting sandboxed. I understand the conservative and long-term approach, as Court thinks in terms of building a highly successful business that's protected as much as possible from G's weirdness - and maybe this is great for Adsense. But I still wonder if I could be moving things along a bit quicker with some other techniques, without the sandbox effect.

I have lots of low competition, money keywords for my supersite as I'm pretty pro at KW research now (given some nice tools that TKA uses as part of their program too) and ensure to put lots of low, low comp ones in the mix (though searches aren't as high as your example here). Ideas is to get lots of clicks feeding into the site, of course.

Onto some questions if you please....

1) How will your techniques work on a supersite without getting it sandboxed. Court is very concerned about keeping it out, while people like you and Angela of the backlink fame say you can't really, from what I understand? I'm thinking I would be treating each post/article as a niche site (as in your Twlight poster example) and I supposed trying to rank that individually.

2) Blog blueprint: this would be a great solution for me to mix up linkbuilding and save some time it seems. I'm not clear though, do you only point to anchor articles with this, or directly to your money site? I know for UAQ you only use for anchor articles.

3) Link Packets via Angela and Paul: I've recently signed up for these, and I tried them on one site that I was having trouble ranking for, even though pretty low comp. I used not even that many from Angela's pack and the site shot up to the first page, so I did see them work. But I get the feeling you don't believe in them? Can you explain why? Is it a long term issue? What about going back and buying older link packets - perhaps only the spammers focus on the new ones?

4) How does Social Bookmarking fit into this? I haven't used it yet, but via some SEO friends I'm making while out and about on the Internet highway...I understand it's great for fast indexing and that's about it, but not link juice. What gives here?

Thanks for all the great thread and recommends in this article! I hope to be able to outline my method once I have one someday to give back.

Cheers,
David

P.S. Your site was on the 3rd page last night of Google from here in New York City. About 25th position I think. That's crazy about Scroogle, I saw that last night too, and have barely used it until you mentioned on this thread!

Hi Bosie, nice to meet up with you here on the WF thread!

Canaries huh? Lovely place to be, I certainly would have thought!


Can't agree more - forums can be incredibly addictive! And can't agree more on your next point - working online as your own boss gives you so much freedom and flexibility, somewhat dependent on what exactly you do online, of course. You can still end up chained to your laptop for days on end never seeing the sunshine!

Yup, there have been a few asks re an eBook so that will be forthcoming. Just have to source a good writer who has the capability to piece all this together and at the same time not blow everyone's minds, including my own And further, who is not going to charge me an earth-shattering fee!

Yes there is a lot of info on my blog - many of the same posts here which makes for easier reading for many people, but its not everything by any means. Plus I add a few other snippets on the blog that I cannot add to here, for obvious reasons.

There are quite a few announcements that I'll be adding on the blog in the days and weeks to come that I can only hint towards on here. If I were to try discuss them further, I'd have the Mods all over this thread.

Anyhow, I really hope you get a lot out of the work-in-progress here Bosie and it helps you to pave your way to your new country of choice! Malaysia is indeed a fine country - I love it here so much!

Take care and hope to hear from you again soon!

Regards
Joseph

Hi K0brik, thanks for your contribution to the HIV product scenario. Really healthy to get your contribution like this, it really is!

I see it this way (not that I checked before - it was 2am after all)...

HIV home testing: yup, some real tough looking cookies in there for sure. I've simply done a standard Google search here so my results are going to be skewed a bit towards Malaysian results (which seems silly to me - why does Google give the tab at the top for Malaysian results only??).

I see some weekness in the top 10 - a PR0 at the lower end for example and without digging deeper due to lack of time, I can sniff out a do-able here. Yes, a fair bit of writing to be done to say the least! But a do-able "job" with regards hitting top 10 at least.

For now it may not be wise to focus on the very top spot since, as you pointed out, its got some heavy hitters linking back to it and to oust it would take some going!


HIV home tests: same scenario really - some PR3's up to PR6 and again, without looking under the bonnet, I sense its possible to get among them.


It may be that your own results are more tough going than what I'm seeing here, I simply don't know. I can only tell what I see, albeit I would be doing more digging for sure if I wanted to actually target those kwds.

Great to get this sort of contribution however, so thanks for that!

Regards
Joseph

Hi FSK, thanks for coming by and asking about the AdSense situation.

I cannot leave AdSense on any site that I mention whereby it may be targeted regards to excess clicks.

If for example I put AdSense on the Twilight Posterz site, the ads would attract a number of clicks now, and in the future via the forum here. To the AdSense folks (Goog) they would shoot me down as soon as they saw this because they would accuse me of "advertising" for false clicks on the account. Very strict with this, so they are, so I best avoid it at all costs.

Its as simple as that really - no other reason and sorry to confuse you on this issue.

Thanks!

Regards
Joseph

Hi MAtkins, thanks for coming along and giving me some great feedback!

1. With UAW, they apparently spin the paragraphs around, so provide some uniqueness that way. Obviously, add that to the fact that you provide 3 unique articles in the first place, you can also add as many different article titles as you wish, and you can add hundreds of different bio boxes too if you wish, then you do get some uniqueness this way.

The % uniqueness between articles is not entirely clear - and probably not too high, but nevertheless, I still believe that providing quality work for UAW is indeed important.

After all, take a quality daily newspaper. Its copied how many hundreds of thousands of times simply because its real quality content. And how many people read it every single day? You take my point I'm sure - just because an article is not totally unique every time does not mean it lacks quality.

However, for now, we must abide by the rules of the search engines in the main, so we must as IM's and SEO's ensure our own quality is relatively unique at least, if we are to attain the best results within our own backlinking campaign.


2. I've used Angela's Packets and I also used Steve Aylor's system, which was similar, but not used PJ's or Terry Kyle's so can't comment about them - I presume they are along the same lines as Angela...

I think MA, that if you were to spend time making the quality of your content really good when submitting to these high PR sites, you would have a very strong set up by using all 3 you mention.

I do though feel that if you wanna go for tougher keywords - large search volume, high AdSense cpc... you would be well served by using these packages and mixing them up with other forms of backlinks too - articles etc. This way you are definitely avoiding any footprint and things look incredibly natural, and thus your own web pages will be all the stronger for this.



Sounds sad about the rate of pay you get now for a service which previously attracted a high income. As Allan says, perhaps you need to use add-ons to enhance your portfolio, thereby improving your income.

You obviously have a core skill that is very much in demand. Now if I were you I'd be doing what Allan does, or something similar perhaps - I'd be thinking, "ok Jo, where's the market at and how can I use my current skills to get into that market? What new skills do I need to learn to tackle this hot market, and can I fairly easily learn them?"

Just the way I see it. Or, how about looking for a JV? Toy with various ideas, do a bit of research, keep your eyes and ears open and I'm sure you will be able to enhance your income levels very nicely in times to come.


Best wishes!

Joseph

Hi Sheena, my pleasure - as it always is!

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SEO'ed, you made a very important point there - mix up the hyper-link text. And this is for everyone who is relatively new to the IM or SEO market:

You MUST mix it up. I can't give you particular stats, but if you are hitting your home-page (let's say) with all the same hyper-text in the backlink, then you're gonna have Google sniffing out your game in short shrift!

No mixing? No real gain. In the short term this technique will work, but longer term and it becomes too obvious. Keep on thinking about how to keep things as natural as possible. After all, the idea about the search engines is to rank highly those sites it/they deem most popular for searchers, and a lot of emphasis is thus given to the amount of and type of backlinks.

If we as SEO's and IM are manipulating this "popularity" for our own ends, then we have to be very smart in doing so, cos as we all know, Google in particular is very smart too, and growing smarter all the time.

Take a longer term point of view with your work and go for high quality, go for very natural-looking backlinks (mix up where they come from and what text you are using, to a number of inner pages as well as your home-page) and you are nicely on your way to success with Google.


Thanks for pointing that out SEO'ed!

Kind regards
Jo

Yoshi, that's great!

UAW is a very powerful tool indeed (there are other similar tools on the market, but UAW is the best known). Takes a bit of getting used to, to get the best from it, but does not take long before you really get the hang of it. Just use it carefully, I do suggest to you Yoshi.

My Article Express - I never used that service as I either did my own writing or outsourced elsewhere. However, I expect that its a good service for the simple reason that the writers are totally clued up as to what is required with regards the UAW format.

Enjoy using this very powerful tool and seeing the fruits of your efforts grow very nicely over time!

Take care Yoshi!
Regards
Joseph

hey Joseph,

thanks a lot for your valuable comment and advise
i will keep follow your thread til the end...
btw, i still don't understand what other's way can i adjust to increase my backlink favor to google...
can you be more specific of your "aromatherapy" method??
once again, thanks

Hi Tedzmaniac, thanks for coming by and giving me your thoughts regards the thread - much appreciated indeed!

Regards
Joseph

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Hi Milleraaron, thanks to you for coming around here! Ebook coming up! Retained a high-end SEO writer who I've used before and she was the perfect candidate for this particular job! However, the cost of the eBook will be within reach of everyone's budget, and that is a promise!

Further details will be released about this in the coming days on my SEO Tips blog (link in sig below).

Regards to you...
Jo

Hi Eremite, thanks for your suggestions. I will indeed be posting analytic stats - more towards the period of time when the site is static within, say, top 7 or so.

Yeah, ok, good tip re Google Traffic Estimator - I'll be sure to check that one out.

By "those keywords" you are referring to?

As I have talked about previously, depending upon what stats you are analyzing, much of the stats can made up from the huge surge at Christmas time with regards to products such as Twilight merchandise. I would expect traffic to at least treble within November and December and sales to more than quadruple.

I have my reasons to believe that Goog stats with regards to search volume tend to be somewhat embellished no matter what keyword phrase you are targeting. Thus perhaps its wise to take this figure with a large-ish piece of salt when assessing for your own keyword choices.

For the purposes of this particular project, it was wise however to provide figures that everyone could understand and indeed check for themselves to provide for further authentication of what I was trying to accomplish.

The only way to tell for sure about traffic stats is to have a steady high ranking, and the Twilight Posterz site has not yet accomplished this, so the facts do not yet show re traffic for the keyword.

I have also added in Statcounter to this site. I think it to be perhaps a bit more precise when it comes to feeding back stats than is GA. We'll see how this project pans out. And yes, I will be feeding back in due course re stats for traffic c/o Statcounter (you can see stats at the bottom of each web page of the site) and also Google Analytics. Further, I shall also be providing details re purchases made via the site too.

As mentioned previously - its not the best time of year for this sort of purchase with exception to the fact that the new movie is out at the end of next month.

That's all to come.

Thanks for coming by Eremite!

Regards
Joseph

Hello LouiseJessica, thank you for your feedback! I hope you can gain a lot from the techniques outlined on this thread. If there is anything you don't fully understand then do please get back to me and I will try to make things clearer.

Thanks again!
Regards
Joseph

Hi Kachaloo, the links to eBay from the Twilight Posterz site are direct with no cloaking.

TWILIGHT POSTER "EDWARD AND BELLA" - eBay (item 200466170365 end time May-28-10 01:46:53 PDT)
(Ooops, I best mention that link is purely for example and not for making sales, thank you moderators!)

That's the link from the home page on the site (which is a static page and not a post).

Maybe that's gonna be open for abuse but then there's apparently only so much you can do to hide your aff details.

I think Clickbank is by far the worst for this, which really put me off using them as an affiliate. It would in no way suprise me if around half the sales made on Clickbank are via a manipulated aff link. Do Clickbank have a new set up for links now? Not sure, I only just started to re-use them very recently.

Thanks for coming by!

Best to you!
Joseph

Hi Bowdeni,

nice to have you here and I would love to have you share your thoughts, if you would care to do so.

This SEO stuff is very far from an exact science as anyone who has been doing it for any length of time knows. Let's face it, even the guys who have been at it for the past 10 years don't agree with everything that anyone else says. Will Dave Kelly agree with Hobo's philosophies wholeheartedly?

I guess the thing is to share ideas and discuss and then work out what's best - best for your own techniques and what suits your own needs. Mould things to your character, if you like. I know if I did not do that myself then I would not be able to do this for long because it would probably simply turn into a JOB.

I look forward to your input Bowdeni - I know you perhaps do not wish to share your own secrets, which of course is very understandable. I do of course respect that. You are where you are at, I'm seeing things from a different perspective.

There are of course going to be variables within my own techniques that need re-assessing. It is why I am constantly inviting others to share their own findings and to raise up questions regularly. Perhaps this can allow me to further assess my findings and improve my own techniques (which I am constantly doing anyhow). All the better for me!

Hope you enjoy the read! Look forward to hearing from you again!

Regards
Joseph

Thanks Joseph. Frankly, i didn't thought you'll even answer my questions, not to mention the lenght and the details of your answers.
Regarding the articles, right now i searched in google between " " my text from the resource box that i used when i submitted my first article to a couple of article directories using AAS (i think, one week ago) and, surprising, i got 3 results, 3 different sites ! I'm gonna make another article right now.

Again, i really apreciate that you helped me. God bless you !

Hi Alex, you are most welcome - happy you could stop by!

Alex Miller - a super footballer! A great manager? Perhaps to be seen albeit I suspect very many would say for sure he is! Any relation Alex?

Take care!
Joseph

Hi K0brik, you bring up some good points thanks for that! Obvious to see you spend your time pondering SEO stuff.

Its just the way I "see" it that getting links back from the same IP are not going to bring you much in the way of further juice, so to speak.

After all, is it not getting a bit obvious to anyone with some knowledge that if you got say, 20 links coming back from one site, one IP, then its "possible" that there is some sort of favoritism going on or something else perhaps a bit more dubious? It need not be dubious or favoritism at all, but Goog have a habit of categorizing, at least at the moment.

Yes, its for sure that some other webmasters/mistresses are going to love your content that your links are all over their site but as a general rule, the way that Goog sees this now is that it "could" be spam and thus they are not going to give you much in the way of further kudos.

Blame it on the folks who used to build site after site after site, and then for each site mass targeted links back from a few different IPs only to get ranked real high real fast to make some real large sums of money (not that I blame folks for doing that back in the gold old days!).

Goog has clamped down hard on anything that goes remotely near to this ethos, and I can't help but think that this is even to the extent of not bothering to count more than a single link back to your own site/web page from one IP address.

If the likes of ezinearticles dotcom were to setup loads of different IPs for all different articles that were submitted then I would have little doubt that everyone involved in SEO and IM would immediately see their sites ranking much higher than before. But because ezinearticles do not have this in place (for obvious reason), even if we had say, 400 articles all linking back to our one site, its very doubtful that our rankings would be particularly affected for the better.

Anyone experimented with this sort of thing and can provide us some specifics?


Its what I read about quite often and its what I feel is right with my own experiences - when I was a bit more naive to my approach to SEO.


By the way, like the vid! Very inspirational! Anyone care to dance??

Regards
Joseph

Quick update: checked with scroogle and twilightposterz.com is sitting on

No.7 for twilight poster
No.11 for twilight posters

Looks like you made it to the first page. Congrats!

Hi SEONoob, thanks for coming by! Its really nice to hear you were compelled to register on the forum simply due to my thread - happy to be of service!

No worries about being an almost complete noobie - I was too not that long ago, and I would think I was one of the dimmest of the dim regards what it was all about!

Take it easy though. Try not to rush at learning this stuff - it does overload, which can lead to utter confusion and dismay. I know its easy to say this, but take your time with it and it will all come to you soon enough. It falls into place!

Re your questions:

1. yes, point UAW submissions along with all forms of other backlinking to your "anchors" Anchors here being your key articles in the quality do-follow directories (I used 8 (article directories) or so for this exercise) and also the Web 2.0 "anchors". There are others you can use besides. Other websites that you own for example can be great for quality backlinking to your main money site.


2. larger sites and super sites: you don't need to rank every page on a large site. The idea of a large site is to bulk out the site for your visitors - information. Plus, it is said that Google does tend to value sites that have a bit more substance than that of say a 2 page site. I've seen quite a few 2 page sites at or near the top so this is not entirely substantiated.

Larger sites also get rankings for their long-tail keywords. Thus the more pages you have (as a general rule) the more chance you have of ranking for all forms of different keyword phrases, even with little to NO backlinking. Long-tails sometimes have teeny competition, so even though the keyword phrase may have teeny competition, it may still get a few hundred searches a month. Valueable searches that could almost all be coming to your site!

So no, you do not have to backlink to every page. Just focus on your main keywords - that could be only a single keyword, or perhaps 2, or maybe (given time) 20. Depends on how much research you want to do on your keywords and which niche you are targeting. Some niches have loads of great keywords that are not too competitive to rank for. You get the idea, I'm sure...


3. Tools to buy? None! No tools are must have's even though I have "promoted" a few of them. I use them daily and the ones I really value are the ones I would recommend to those who can easily afford them (be that from their own internet marketing income, or from a job that allows you to invest in your online work). If I were to say which are key to a highly productive campaign then I would say these ones:

- The Best Spinner
- UAW (there are other similar programs - I use only UAW because its what I am familiar with)
- BB is pretty good, yes - I seem to be getting results from some of my other sites that would suggest this is a good tool
- LinkVana I would not recommend for now - its too costly and for me unproven as yet
- if duplicate content is a regular concern for you then I recommend a product called DupeCop. Its not entirely necessary to have this as you can get a feel for dupe content by using things like EzineArticles and Hub pages etc. to check if your content is dupe. But using this software saves time and offers convenience. Again, only necessary if you do a LOT of writing (review of the product on my blog).

There are a few free tools well worth checking out, which you probably have already. One mentioned before on here by Peter - Traffic Travis. I have not had time to check it out but it could be a real good one. Google Keyword tool is more than adequate for keyword research so although I use Micro Niche Finder and offer that on my site via an affiliate link - you don't need it! Anyone who tells you that you do is either telling porkies or does not truly understand keyword research. (Oooops, I may get myself in a bit of hot water there!). MNF is convenient and can save a bit of time, but not totally necessary for a successful series of SEO and IM campaigns.


To be honest, I really should try to find time to do reviews on other totally free tools and pop that on my blog. If time permits, I will indeed do so. So please, if anyone has other suggestions re the free quality tools available then let me know about it, thanks!!


One more thing SEOnoob, don't under-estimate hand submissions. Yes, they take time, and yes this time may seem best spent in doing other things. But, by ticking most of the boxes you get yourself a quality set of backlinks.

To tick the boxes often means you gotta spend time and make effort with the quality. By hand submitting it means that you are focusing on just that. Yes, I use a few tools - for sure I do. But, I much prefer the idea of getting back to basics and offering up more in the way of hand submissions and pure quality all round.

Stephen Crooks (famed for his AdSense Challenge the forum here from about a year ago - he swears by quality hand submissions time and time again! And I for one value Stephen's opions very highly!

So if anyone wants to take a pop at me for suggesting hand submissions are a serious alternative to automation, then in essense you are also taking a pop at potentially one of the most successful AdSense earners on this planet!


These are the sort of links that are going to float your boat (your site, rather) and not the mass of 3rd rate rubbish that most of us SEO'ers and IM'ers go all out to get (and I am not different - except the rubbish I get goes back to my anchors which are far better equipped at soaking up the cr.p than would be my new baby website that I am trying to get ranked in Google for the first time).



Thanks for stopping by, once again - yup, the eBook will be out soon. I'll be posting up on here about that (or at least hinting about it - the moderators may not be too pleased ).

Take care!
Regards
Joseph


This is a PS. IM Automator is one of the very, very best FREE tools out there! Its one I discussed already on here so by all means go back and check out the post, or come over to my blog where I've written about this fantastic free social bookmarking tool. Link in the Sig below.

Hi Toby, sounds like you are on a bit of a downer right now - I know the feeling well!

Yup, Goog Analytics can be "wrong". They probably want to be "wrong" too, but they will never tell you about it, cos they are secretive and much of what they do is hush hush.


Take a brief example. I go over to Goog Analytics, I check out my site, I see 5 uniques for a day for that site.

I go over to eBay, I check the stats for that particular site there cos its affiliated to selling products on eBay. I see I sold 7 products and I see I had 35 click thrus.

Now yes, you could say that the 5 visitors went ping pong - back and forth to my site. But unless they were drinking heavily, why the heck would they do that? Cos they love the site? I doubt it (have you seen any of my sites?? (not talking about the Posterz site - FlipDiva really spruced that with her great art work!)

I rest my case. Happens often. Don't ask me why Goog seem to "prefer" not to register some site visitors over others. Perhaps they wanna keep a secret (for once).

Talk soon Toby!
Regards
J

Good day to everyone, firstly today I would like to make a mention of my coaching service for all those who are interested and in need of one-on-one for further focus on the goals at hand here.

And yes, its acceptable to mention my services on this thread because I have an ad on the Warrior Forum

The ad thread is here...

http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors-hire/214452-search-engine-optimization-coach-proving-his-true-value-sizzling-hot-thread-here-warrior-forum.html


So if you need further input than the info I'm "coughing up" here, then you should consider personal coaching as one way of doing this. After all, with coaching its a far quicker and more stream-lined method of learning and really focusing in on the goals at hand, than having to experiment with this, with that and everything else only to find that many months down the road (and possibly many dollars down the tubes!) you are still struggling.

Furthermore, you know how approachable I am and how much I WANT to help you, so you know you are going be getting fantastic value from my service!

Any queries about this service, well, you know how to get hold of me now, right?

And with that said, its time to progress with the other events of the day...

Regards!
Joseph

Hi Brian, thanks for coming by and for your feedback, which is always much appreciated!

Yes, I submit quality spun articles with around a 45 - 50% uniqueness which will link back to my "anchors".

With regards to how many articles submitted - I only submitted 8 articles to my "anchor" directories, then I push them mainly with UAW, which up to now I've added some 6 rounds of articles (I mean here - UAW requires 3 unique articles per submission, so I have done 6 x 3 - again using my spun articles which are sitting on my desktop).

Early days it is a lot of work if you are doing this alone and if you want fairly rapid results, but as time goes by it does not take too much input to keep the site going up and then once it is up its generally easy to keep it there, providing you are getting the income from it that you wanted.

Hope that makes this clear Brian...
Thanks again!

Kind regards!
Joseph

I just made a post and popped it up on my forum. I have to be honest that this is not something I will be doing much of in future - I do not think the mods on here would like it much. I will be writing posts for MY forum and not posting them on here!

But for this time I will... its a bit of an ad for my forum after all - I admit. But its also a very "nice" case scenario which is unbiased and fully do-able. Let's have a look...



I got this domain some 3 or 4 weeks ago. Its exact match to a keyphrase and is ranking in 8th in Goog, even without ANY backlinks.

Sure the frase gets a poxy little 300 exacts a month. So no big deal!

But its not the reason I got the domain. I got it cos its loosely related to another keyword phrase which is much hotter!

The reason I did not go for the main keyword frase was its well gone by now and also it would be a copyright issue. I don't want to take the risk with this one, even though I have a few domains that are infringing copyright.

So, the problem with the main keyword is of course its tough to rank for. The top spot is a massive company involved in home entertainment. Second spot is a credit card company.

I am me - one man. I got a credit card to pay for my kit. I sit in my appartment day after day plodding away at this stuff. These other guys and girls have teams of SEOers working for them. Its tough for me here! Its tough for US all here - you and me!


But what if I can get third place?

Let me give you some stats to mull over.

The exact frase I am going to be targeting gets some 5.5k exact montly (according to Google). And this is a fairly evergreen niche really, so not much in the way of seasonal fluctuation.

Say I get third in Google. I can expect around 15% of the total 5.5k give or take... Some folks may say less, some may say a little more...

But due to me using a "stealth" tactic, I can fairly safely pop that up to 18% (I think that very conservative!)...

5.5k x 0.18 = say 1k (its 990 exact)

The keyword I wanna target gets a click thru value of just over $20, so that means I'll get about $6 per click to me after all "costs".

Why $6? Its my experience of using AdSense.

Further, what click thru can I get at best?

Let us hope for 20% click thru. Not sure right now but its very possible if the ads showing are really decent. And cos of the setup on my page I really gear up for click thrus.


So...

1k (the search traffic) x 0.20 (the click thru on AdSense) = 200 clicks per month...

200 x $6 =... you know... $1200


Can you see how some folks get filthy rich doing AdSense??


These are rough figures, there is no absolute guarantee of it. Some sites with AdSense do quite a bit better with their click thrus. A lady on my forum gets some 50% click thrus at one of her sites! I guess my best performers are around 40% or so... taken as an average over say - 3 months (mind you, the traffic on those sites is not particularly impressive, even though the sites are mostly ranking top 10 in Google - long tail keywords).

You just have to have your techniques honed, analyzed (and the lady I am referring to is hot on her analyzing - she puts me to shame!!). And you have to know how to SEO. And that is it! If you don't yet know for yourself, ask around, look around on here (my Forum!) in the forum. Not many posts yet as its just slowly building (very slowly) but what there is, is very rich pickings!

Don't forget that this is for one keyword phrase. For this particular site I should hope to target around 5 or 6 different frases. Not at all are they going to be hitting the $6 click value. But lets imagine on average they are going to fetch $2 a go. Lets imagine these 5 or 6 keyword frases, once ranked for, can bring in a further 3k search volume to my one little site (I can't imagine I will put up more than 10 pages of content on it).

Maths!

For the whole lot of keywords if ranked highly for (say all have 3rd spot - very rough estimate of course! Ranking for the other 5 or 6 is a bit easier than for the primary keyword that I chose to target first)...

For that one small site the potential is there to make some $2400 a month!

Simplified stats and reality may be very different. But there is a potential for it as you can see from some basic stats.

Now Im not sure about you but to me an extra $2400 a month is very useful!

Once the hard work is out the way - give me 3 months tops! - its fairly passive income. If I outsource, its totally passive. Outsourcing for a few links to the site each month should cost me no more than $75.

You do the math this time, thanks!


I know, I know, I make it sound oh so simple, and don't you get tired of reading the hype about this stuff being "oh so simple"!!! :rolleyes:


But to be honest, you just have to have a few of the right ingredients in place to do this and make it a reality. My own ingredients are not complete - I lack real focus and real true motivation. Sounds really strange but its the truth. I am motivated to show others how to do things and that is where my ego maybe thrives the most. I think for me to do this stuff time and time again I would need to team up with someone who brings sheer and utter motivation to the table. Someone who could really gear me up day after day to do this stuff - the sloggin and the ploddin...

How about you? Where you at right now?

I may have a proposal coming up fairly soon for anyone who may fit the bill. Watch closely!!

Regards!
Joseph

Hi ThePusher, thanks for your great feedback! I need folks like you to keep pushing me on, so your username is very apt indeed!

I just checked the Posterz .com site and I have it stuck where it was yesterday - 7th in Scroogle. I guess it will be there for a few days and then hopefully we will see another little jump upwards.

Mind you, I've not been hearing much about where others are seeing it in their Goog searches - someone yesterday had it way down at the bottom of page 3 on Google uk version. Others say 7th, like where I'm seeing it.

But a general Goog search will bring up local results in preference to general results, so you could say for this particular case, they are flawed results to some extent. Hence I use Scroogle - there is no bias at all.

Not possible to tell exactly where as there is so much variation. So I guess its down to a general ish consensus at the end of the day, as to where the site is actually ranking.

Thanks again and enjoy the fun - another 20 days left if I'm not mistaken...

Regards!
Joseph

Hi ThePusher, well now, that particular scenario we covered at some length a while back but because it would take me a time to find the actual post, I will try to give you a brief of the situation instead.

Its a tough call. If you are sending out a ton of articles for backlinking purposes - in my case that would be backlinking to my "anchors", then its not possible to keep trace on every article submitted and published.

What tends to happen to some extent is that there are pingbacks and various emails regarding who (or what) has published which of your articles. Once you know about this, it is no bad idea to take the link of the location where the article is - the website - the page address, and then you simply ping it.

I tend to use either Pingoat .net or Ping-o-matic .com

With this as a back up for a number of your articles then you will almost certainly be getting a reasonable amount of indexing going on.

Of course you can do that for the actual anchors too - its a good thing to do for quick indexing for example. But in reality, because you are backlinking to your anchors anyhow, there is no real need for pinging too.

To find all the articles that have been published and that relate to your anchors would be too much trouble to try and track them all down. So we have to leave that in the hands of Google and entrust them to do a reasonable job.

If you are not happy about that, then simply publish more articles as a form of compensation - its most probably less work than trying to locate articles you submitted already and have no idea where they may be located.

Hope that helps ThePusher!

Thanks and regards!
Joseph

Hi Brian, thanks for coming by!

16th is not really where I would want the site at this stage.
In my Scroogle this morning I have it in 5th. I would love to say "game over" but I need a general consensus to be truly able to do so.

Anyways, I will keep up the backlinking, albeit more "weighting" is going to the other keywords rather than "Twilight poster".

Thanks again!
Regards
Joseph

Hi Brian, you are saying you cannot find "Twilight poster" in a Google search where you are? Funny - I got it ranked 5 in Scroogle Scraper; my blogspot page is ranked at 6th; then the Squidoo is 8th; finally wordpress .com at 17th

As mentioned a number of times previously, the reason I use Scroogle and not a standard Google search is because the results will not be biased in my favor (as it would be in a standard search).

For "Twilight posters" my primary site is back in 14th and the Squid at 8th...

So much fluctuation around the globe!

Thanks for your kind words - much appreciated! You did make me laugh - "Chris the lazy guy..." hahaha! Chris Rempel I think you mean, right? Yes, his products are far from cheap! I bought a keyword package from him some 9 months ago or maybe a little more which set me back $200 US. I looked at it twice maybe. Dumb clutz so I am!

Not to say bad about Chris' stuff - he's made a whole heap of money for a whole heap of folks, hence he is very popular. It just did not work for me and I purchased quite a few of his products over the past 18 months.

The "dot com blue thing" - hehehe! I steer well clear of PPC now, so no comment about that!

You are right to bring up the point tho - you can waste a massive amount of money on all sorts of glossy bits and bobs but do these things really cut it?

For me, its been a case of taking a bit from one glossy "hard-sell" product, and a bit from another and then adding in a few other things to bring about the equation that really works for me. So not a total waste, but if I could turn back time - money stay put in my pocket!!!

Its got me thinking, if I could turn back time to 7 years ago when I had my first foray online and building sites and SEO, what would I have done differently?

Most of the glossy products and hard sells would NEVER have been bought! I would have searched (I think we all do) for someone I could really trust and believe in, cos they just tell things as they are. None of the sales talk that is pure sh.t (pardon me for that, but its true!). Yes sales talk sells and makes a few folks rich, but I would prefer to be modestly well off rather than stinking wealthy and just full of s..t!

I don't even find myself embellishing any of the stuff I write up here, on my blog or on the forum. Its not worth my time doing so. Tell it as it is. If folks don't like that, then fine, I go back to ranking my own sites, quietly making some money in my own way. No doubt I'd still get some folks coming to me and patting my back and asking my advice on everything SEO and IM, which is enough for me, really.

Anyhow Brian, thanks for giving me a right good giggle! Its good to laugh!

Kind regards and best wishes!
Joseph

Hey Brian, chill my man! Its of no concern whatsoever!

You provided me with a laugh and I'm very sure you provided many others who follow this thread with a laugh too, albeit maybe not Chris himself.

But I can guess he's been called all sorts of names simply because he chooses to be in the public eye. Its inevitable he gets insulted at various times - he charges large prices (not so large compared to many others who we shall not currently mention, shall we?) and its by no means true that his products work for everyone. This then will induce rather a few insults to say the least.

To be honest, the stuff that I bought from him is generally very good, hence I bought more than one product, so kudos to him and his team for that. His thoughts re internet marketing in general are clear, and thoroughly workable on the whole, its just that as with the vast majority of products which are IM related there seems some things still missing from the equation. But this is only the way I see (saw) it.

But no, you caused me no offence whatsoever, so please rest easy about that!

You are obviously very much a gentleman and you are to be congratulated for your decency!

Thank you very much for your concerns, but please, rest easy.

Cheers!
Joseph

Hi Brian,
I suggest you do try out a few micro sites, and a good place to start would be to go for what is called long-tail keywords - those that get fewer searches (as a general rule) but they also have smaller competition, so are easier to rank for.

Try out them to begin with (some people stick with them all the time and never go for any other type of keyword or any other type of website - they can be hugely lucrative if you build up a few sites and target a number of good long-tails).

The thing about keywords that are easier to rank for is that you see the results all the sooner, so the motivation levels do not have time to flag. Its when you target the tougher keywords that it can be more difficult to keep up the backlinking momentum due to the fact that it tends to take so much more time and effort.

Yes, agreed, Chris Rempel knows his stuff and offers up a number of really good products. He writes as he sees things and does not fluff it out with nonsense.

Sorry, not seen Terry Kyle's 60 day thing. What's he basing this on? AdSense? 60 days is a looooong time! Hope he manages to keep up his own momentum for so long!

Thanks Brian!
Regards
Joseph

Hi Ian, thanks for your question.

I actually do care about every submission I make. So even for those that I send through the likes of UAW I make sure that they all read well. After all, these articles are being sent out to other peoples blogs and sites so they would want good quality stuff, or chances are they will not accept it.

The spinning software that I use is The Best Spinner, as everyone probably knows now. Its got all sorts of fancy functions but as everyone also probably knows, I am not one for fiddling with lots of fancy functions.

So, the way I work with it is to stick the article in and just work from the beginning replacing whatever I can throughout the article body.

I put a lot of thought into this stage of the process because otherwise it would mean more work after - in cleaning every article that I was going to be using for some form of submission. I find this a tiring process so only do it when I am at my peak and can focus well.

So, yes, I do word by word syntax changes.

If the article is a longer one, then I will break it in half. I'll do it in smaller chunks because it "looks" like an easier job to do. Rewriting a 300 word article is easier than rewriting a 500 worder - from a psychological perspective.

I think everyone has their own methods that suit them. Its a case of doing a little experimenting and finding what suits you best.

Hope that helps Ian.

Regards
Joseph

Hi Joseph!

Thanks so much for info you're sharing on this thread! I've been away from the WF for a while because I get easily distracted around here, but I've subscribed to this thread as there's so much valuable info here.

I spent my whole afternoon yesterday and this morning reading every post and taking notes, and I have to say you really opened my eyes as far as the power of article marketing. I could never quite wrap my head around the concept and couldn't see how it could possibly work, but I've changed my now.

Also, it feels like a lightbulb went on in my head and I'm finally seeing how I can put together an SEO strategy/action plan for my site. Thank you for that!

I'll be watching you progress closely. Can't wait for more updates!

Hi John, thanks for bookmarking the thread!

I'm hoping that rather than the Twilight posterz site just showing up in top 5 on Scroogle and top 8 in HideMyAss, it shows up top on a general Goog search within most countries too, which right now its not necessarily doing.

However, I'm very confident that given time it will indeed be top 5 every where and not just in Scroog and HideMyAss proxy!

Thanks again for your comments and bookmark!
Regards
Joseph

Hi CSG, thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment!

Ah, so you are in Penang? Lovely place indeed and not far from me in Kuching!
Yes, the eBook is coming out in the near future. I got Jenny working on it now - she is a specialist in SEO writing - one of the best!

Its gonna be longer than I had planned but that's simply because Jenny said there is far too much info to pack into some 30 pages.

Thus the release will be later than planned.

I ll let you know as soon as its ready.

Thanks CSG and no doubt hear from you again soon!

Kind regards!
Joseph

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Joseph, thanks for the detailed posts, which will help many. Whew, took a while to read.
Yes, I agree Google has become more sensitive to backlinking lately.

People need to have faith that they are moving in the right direction. You have provided enough info and proof through your example site that people can see how this should go. You also point out that linking to the web 2.0 properties can be backlinked heavier. I hope people keep this in mind.

I cannot say it enough times, this is the boring part of seo and takes time for all of this to show up. Two weeks to three months in my experience. Just keep backlinking to your site, although more slowly with Googles reactions lately.

If there was one thing I would disagree with, it would be that once you get a backlink from an IP address it is spent. I have seen otherwise, but we all speak from our own experiences. Just keep an open mind.

Take care, and thanks again for such a great post and helping so many people out here.

Jeannie

Hi Ed, I sent you a reply, thanks indeed!

Regards
Joseph

Hi Daniel, I ll get back to you shortly on that, thanks!
Regards
Joseph

Hi Daniel, thanks for your input!

I take your point - absolutely! Its hard work reading through hundreds of posts trying to pick out the stuff that's particularly important!
The eBook, which is going to be priced very low so that everyone can get a copy, will do just this. My writer is picking out the "need to know" juicy stuff and although the eBook is going to be rather a lot longer than I had anticipated, its going to be pure nuts and bolts of the how to and what's what of the techniques outlined on the thread here.

Thanks again Daniel!
Regards
Joseph

Hi Ed, got that thanks - will get back to you as soon as I can, thanks!
Jo

Hi Daniel, yup those posts/backlinks are via BB. No, I don't use BB purely for the site. I mix it up with linking back to the Web 2.0s and was going to do the article anchors too but time and resources has not allowed for that.

The sales have not been particularly impressive to be honest, although I can't as yet give exact figures for the week since I last reported. Will do that tomorrow though.

The traffic you can see from the stat counter in the footer of the sites web pages. It has to be said that although I see the site (sites) ranking well in Scroogle Scraper (between 5th and 7th), and pretty good in HideMyAss proxy too (about 8th), it would seem that it is not ranking so well in most countries, which is rather frustrating.

The proof is in the pudding and the tasting of the pudding, so its all very well to see it doing nicely when using those two tools but until I see an increase in both traffic and in figures, it must be said that the stats are not telling the whole story.

Mind you, the place to be at is most certainly in ranking within the top 2 spots, and number 1 is by far the best:
top spot = 42.1% of the traffic
2nd = 11.9%

(I took the stats from a reliable source online).

The last 5 places apparently receive only 16% of search traffic between them (6th to 10th) so even if ranking for a keyword that Goog states receives some 50 to 60k searches a month, there's not much left for the lower rankings on the first page. Ouch!

Anyways, my aim is indeed to rank top spot but it will take rather a lot longer than the 40 days however.

Thanks for your input Daniel!

Regards
Joseph

"Wow" , great Thread... I have a 1001 questions. But the only one I need to ask currently is "Can you get me a get out of the dog house free" pass.

You think the GF, has probs... my wifey cannot quite get why I've spent the better part of last night and today scouring over this thread. !LOL!

Anyway fantastic going and I have you showing up at 8th spot in a google search "South Bend, Indiana" for "Twilight Poster"


cheers!

Hi CSG, I surely agree with you on this. Its not a case of sitting back and believing there is nothing more to do other than reach top spot in the search engines.

For example, getting your primary keywords in your post title. These get bolded by Google (the exact match keywords that are being searched for, and so stand out more from any other words in the title). How many times do you top 5 in Google and they have maybe only one or two of the primary keywords in the title (when its a short keyword phrase or a long tail you want to get all of your keywords in the title)? Its certainly not unusual!

I sometimes capitalize my primary keywords too, so they stand out that bit more. After all, if my web page is showing in 6th in a search for the exact keywords that are being searched, then its my title that is going to be SHOUTING out above all the others "come to me, come to me". I think that puts my web page at an advantage.

Further, meta keywords although not supposedly weighted much now by Google, are actually important for the web searcher. If you are using highly relevant keywords for your meta (or as they call it in the Platinum SEO plugin for WordPress - the "Home Keywords" (is it called this in the All-in-One plugin too?), then for anyone who is doing a quick scan down the first page in a websearch, they could well have a quick read on this and voila! Its yours they pick out simply because you made an effort with this small 180 character snippet of text.

So yes, I fully agree with what you say CSG. I think the stats provided about 42.3% of search traffic going to top ranking, 10.4% going to second ranking and so on, are somewhat generalized and taken as an over-all statistic. Its well worth trying to swing the odds more in your own favor by using some little techniques that can indeed boost your own visitor numbers fairly substantially!

Kind regards!
Joseph

Hi Marie, fantastic! I am SO happy that you really are enjoying the thread!

Regards the arduous task of the "re-launch" - the domain age is a nice weighting factor in your favor so that's a good start!

Yes, eBook out fairly soon - I gotta scrape some cash together to make further payment towards it today. Its gonna be expensive (for me, but not for you the buyer) I can tell you that, but then when you hire one of the best SEO writers around then what to expect?

Yes I do coaching - you can contact me either via PM on here or at josef.archibald@ymail.com

Thanks again for reading and making your thoughts known - very much appreciated indeed!

Kind regards
Joseph

Hi Eric, thanks for coming on over and spending some time reading through the posts! There is indeed a lot of really good stuff here, and quite a bit of it has been contributed towards by the readers, which I am very thankful for.

If it were not for the ladies and gents following along and making very regular comments, I would not be doing this. So I have to thank them (you all) very much for this!

Thanks again to you too Eric!
Kind regards
Joseph

Hi Banel, that's really odd, I received your message in my email - the message you posted up here and it said something rather different...

"Joseph, i think your site is ranked #4. Check PM. I can't post links or images. :| "


I wonder how the message that I got in my email is different to the one that is posted up on the thread?

Anyhow, thanks for getting back to me Banel. Where are you located, may I ask please?

As for posting links and images, where did you want to post them and what is the problem?

Cheers!
Jo

All I can say is WOW! Your plan is clearly explained and for those of us that have been struggling with DIY SEO this was a welcome site. I'm working on a website for my business and would like to use these ideas, but I was curious if I could expect to see at least some results using free or inexpensive software? I'm especially interested in finding something similar to Blog Blueprint or Linkvana without the hefty price tag! Any advice would be most helpful!

Again, thanks for laying things out so clearly!

joseph, searching for twilight posters on google.co.uk the main site is still low, however your squidoo page is no. 10 for a new moon posters search, seems there are a few big players in competition for uk results, though a couple of 'winnable' positions are still there for both phrases

I'm suprised the main site is not higher, have read that google is having a shake up and it does seem to have affected a lot of my sites, content seems to be their aim, and age still ranks very highly. Have also noticed sites dropping down the ranking much quicker, though this could be just my move toward articles, maybe articles have always dropped quickly ? My main focus, before has been web design to business aiming at local (county wide) targets.

Have taken some of your advice from earlier and am backlinkg my article sites with 2.0 sites (using imautomator), the article sites then backlink to my main site. Am I reading this right ?

the thing is, the way I see it is this is all about PR, I would guess that google keeps it own, more accurate and up to date ranking, which then only gets updated to the toolbar when you hit a whole number, and then after a time. I have found PR building a lengthy process.

Even using market samurai doesn't reflect anything more than google's toolbar will tell me.. Am interested if you know of any way to get a more accurate way of judging your own site's PR.

Am subscribed to this thread and am checking your rankings on every update (usually daily) is good to see them starting to hit page 1 in the uk. Do you have uk hosting ? I know from experience that where the site is hosted plays a big part in ' local' ranking.

Hi Toby, everything you do now will have an effect on the future! The slog you put in now will pay dividends in times to come, providing you do keep at it. Its really easy to lose all motivation when there are no quick results. I did that myself countless times! And still do, if truth be told.

And this is precisely why I very, very strongly advocate that to all those who are not truly experienced in SEO - go for a keyword phrase that can be ranked for without killing yourself!!

Its all great and wonderful to see some hot shot keyword that is offering up 20k exact searches a month and think that you can get that if you keep on plodding at it. But will you still be plodding at it in 8 weeks time when so far (after, say, week 4) there is no real traffic to show for all your hard work?

The real gems are only going to be had by the plodders and the sloggers and all the scraps are left for everyone else cos they can't get through the "slog barrier".

You gotta look real deep inside yourself and wonder "how can I get through this barrier? How can I make this attainable time and again? What can I do to help me to make this slog successful?". If you can truly provide a positive answer to this, then you are on your way to internet wealth!

Even if it means that every 4th night of the week you go out to the pub with your mates and get hammered on the Guiness, so be it. Providing the other 3 nights you are sloggin' your internet business.

Tap into the "how" and you will indeed see the returns coming at you thick and fast! Given time, given due diligence, given a tried and trusted method of working this stuff.

Me? Been there, done that, still struggle with it, but I now look deep within regularly and I try hard to find ways to get through to the "other side". Part of my own reasons for doing the WF Challenge is - to give my ass such a hard kick that I'm driven to making this work. Otherwise I just plod along dilly dally day after day without too much focus. Its not good!

And this is what makes me a good (perhaps even very good?) teacher - I know full well that this stuff is far, far, far from easy and I can empathize with every one who is trying to make it work for themselves.


Find out what make YOU tick and work it, work it real hard!!!

Kind regards Toby!
Jo

Hi Banel, the rankings that I try to attain now are with using quality backlinks and not about quantity (I always used to go for quantity over quality, but that's a mistake). A number of my sites rank high in Google with no more than about 25 quality backlinks. Mind you, mainly for the long-tail, so that is not so unusual.

But then this is the thing. You can get many really good long tails to rank relatively quickly. You do not have to have thousands of backlinks. You do have to focus on the quality of the backlink.

This is what will bring you results, and inevitably (hopefully) cash flow. And hence the system I depend upon to a good extent - the "anchors". This provides very good quality backlinks, particularly if you work on mixing up the backlinks to the anchors too.

As for the Twilight Posterz site, I'm not too sure how many actual backlinks there are. I want to try to get quite a few more links to the site in the next couple of weeks, just to see how it handles it (or rather, how Google handles it - as mentioned, the site may indeed bomb for a bit).

I've been doing one or two things in the background that I have not discussed on the thread here, but those are just touching on the surface and no real big deal. Just the icing on the cake, if you like. It may be that the links for those little things will never show. Again, a bit experimental. Pushing the boat out, so to speak.

Hope that helps in answering your questions Banel.

Regards!
Joseph

Hi Madzeo, thanks for coming by and for your kind words!

You do have a point there!

So I wonder - top 5 in 25 days?

Or maybe - top spot in 40 days?

I still wanna hit the top spot even though the income is not going to be life-changing, to say the least!

On the other hand, I would also like to work the other keywords too - "Twilight posters" which I think I'm starting to rank for. "New Moon poster"; and also "New Moon posters".

We'll see how it goes in the coming weeks. I'll be picky/choosy - the world is my oyster, so it would seem here, anyhow... Hardly rich pickings, but fun to do all the same!

Kind regards!
Jo

Wow, what a great thread! Thanks so much.

I have just now read through it in its entirety.

My question concerns domain names. I have been focusing to find domain names that are exactly like the keyword I want to rank for, without any extra words, etc. To get one like this with .com, .net, or .org is not easy, at least for me. I'm not looking for huge amounts of traffic like you, but have been looking in the 5,000 range. In fact, even though I'm using the trial version of Market Samurai, I'm striking out.

Now, here you come along and add a "z" to your keyword, and its not causing you any problems.

So, can you talk about this some more? How come adding the "z" worked for you, and is still giving you all this traffic? Obviously, people aren't searching for this phrase with a "z" added onto it.

The conclusion I'm coming to from your experience, is that it's more important to have your keyword in your title, and in the beginning of you text, than for it to be the whole of your domain name. Right?

If I could just get started a good domain, I would be ready to go, because all the other stuff you've written about seems doable to me.

Looking forward to your response....

Catherine

haha yes this is a super niche. I was lucky to find it.

Although my site has never been top 10 for this kw (yet), I had an article on #5 - #6 spot during november and december last year. During that period I received avg. 80 visits a day from that article alone (and my resource box was absolutely terrible).

I can't even imagine how things would be if my site ranked top 5 during Christmas. Oh, wait... I can. It would be sweeet!

Hi Jeff, thanks for your comments!

You mean the link in my sig is not working? Its working for me. Anyone else got a problem please?

Thanks!
Regards
Joseph


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Hi Matt, thanks for stopping by!

Yup, I like the sound of that! Keep in mind however the potential comp you will have for your choice in keywords. I made a mistake in this respect with the Twilight Posterz site - those whacking great glossy images that Google displays right at the very top of the search listings. And there is no way to outrank it either, even when (I did say when) I get top spot for the keyword. Darn nuisance!

Good luck with this Matt, sounds like its gonna be a lot of fun!

Regards
Joseph

Hi Zachary, thanks for getting back to me on this!

Sounds like a server problem. I'll let it ride for a short while then if its still down HostGator are gonna hear about it (possibly from a few thousand others too...)

Thanks again!
Regards
Jo

Hi Allan, thanks for telling me about this!

I find that when I click on the Stats counter - which I see at the bottom of the homepage, it does indeed go through to daily stats. Not sure what might be the problem there. Can anyone else please try this and feedback, thanks!

With regards to the FlipDiva link - yes, it is showing a 404. I will try to change that of course.

Thanks for the screen shot of the top 10 rankings. So you got the Posterz site in 7th, the blogspot in at 4th and WP .com at 10th. Interesting stuff!


Thanks again for letting me know Allan!
Regards
Joseph

Hi Marie, that is fair enough about where Angela is at (is this Angela from "Angela's backlinks" fame?), but the fact is that it has happened. No, not to me, but to a chap you may well have heard of who goes by the name of Griz (he lives in the Canadian wilderness, hence the name).

I do not know Griz personally but I trust his word implicitly and he knows his stuff inside out and outside in. It was he who said he had to contact some folks to get them to take down their "spam" links to one of his blogs due to its devastating loss of ranking. These were paid-for links that were insidiously invested in by a person or persons with a grudge against Griz.

What more can I say about it?

Thanks for coming back to me on this Marie. Its good to discuss the ins and outs of SEO and IM. Otherwise how do we improve our depth of knowledge to the level it truly deserves.

Regards!
Joseph

I'm glad to help! You are right, AllPosters.com shows up on number 2, at least here in Brazil.

If you don't mind me asking, what's your main concern as far as using their affiliate program while they being your competitors? You mean if you link to them it might affect their rankings, thus messing with the results of the challenge? In that case, wouldn't a "no follow" attribute take care of it? (assuming they allow it, I haven't checked their affiliate terms).

Hi Banel, how many posts do you need to begin PM'ing? I thought 10 but obvioulsy its more.

That's a good question which you ask. Fact is that yes, the "power" of the homepage can have an effect on the ranking of your other pages.

How to tell?

Well, look at most any high-end keyword phrase that has a lot of searches and/or a high monetary value. Fairly often you will find at or near the top of the SERPS domains that have a lot of indexing of their pages, and probably they have maturity too.

But the actual page they are ranking for may only have a very few links showing up in Yahoo's SE. And may only have a very low Google PR. So this obviously is a factor.

There is indeed going to be some juice passed from having other pages that are "strong". And so to rank for those inner pages that currently are week and not ranking at all, it may be that you only need a few quality backlinks to begin to see them appearing.

Google PR does pass on down through inner pages provided they are linked in some way.

Of course this is dependent on a number of factors - strength of competition and what have you, but in general we should indeed be aware that "strong" home pages (or any page that is strong) that link to our inner pages will be passing juice on.

Hope this makes things a bit clearer Banel.
Kind regards!
Joseph

Hi Banel, your menu on the home page should be fine providing the links to your pages are all in working order.

What I would be more focused on however, is linking back from my internal pages to my home page. This then gives you internal links that hyper-text your main keyword phrases and give juice to your home page for those keywords.

I probably do not do that every single time but 8 times from 10, yes. Just takes a bit of time but it makes spidering all your pages that much more possible and that much easier as well as passing on juice to your home page. I prefer the spiders to know and index all my pages as this makes my domain that much stronger over-all.


Thanks!
Regards
Joseph

Hi Ladies and Gents, I've just posted an update re progress of the eBook which you can find here on my SEO tips blog...

http://affordableseotipsandtricks.com/warrior-forum-challenge-ebook-update

No worries that the moderators here will swipe this post off - after all, I'm gonna make the eBook available as a WSO, so we are all very happy about that!

Things are getting near to completion I am happy to say, although I best not commit to a definite day for release as yet - there may be a couple of small hitches to take care of and I am far from the best at setting up this sort of stuff.

But I will say that it will be available within 5 days from now - very possibly (probably) less!

Cheers!
Joseph

Selena hi (notice the change around??), oh the power of these Web 2.0s!! As mentioned Selena, I had no intention of ranking all of them in top 20 and was thinking... well, okay, maybe the Squidoo I would like to see top 10 and then yes, top 5.

But to get all 3 Web2.0 in and around top 10 for my primary keyword phrase, and also some are coming into play for all 3 other secondary keyword phrases. And so soon too, well it goes to prove a lot, don't you agree?

You could look at it either from the point of view that I made a mistake - too many hypers with my primary keyword, or that its a huge added bonus! The latter of course is how I choose to see it myself.

After all, I can manipulate all 3 of them to fit in well with my main site - just turn on or turn off the tap as to the keyword hypertext backlinks to suit where I want to rank each of them in turn, which would preferably be just behind the money site, of course.

So, I may be using " in the hypertext that bit more often than at first thought :p!

Take care Selena and please keep on giving us all the benefits of your take on all of this - its much appreciated!

Joseph

Hi KittyFlip, thanks for coming by and offering up your positive comments!

Yup, the Goog format of Caffeine certainly does help out a fair bit to motivate and procure, so to speak!

You got "natural home rugs" in your sig KittyFlip. Sounds very interesting - you got me hooked if that sig leads to a site! Seems I'm not going to get too much sloggin' it done today after all hehe!

Thanks again and hope you are reaping the rewards that the thread has to offer!

Regards
Joseph

Well...

I've read just about this entire thread.....I've gathered more free advice to help me in my IM journey...

It still amazes me how your URL ranks on the first page.....it has to be the backlinking.

However.....I have just one important question when selecting domains.......

Anyone...please feel free to answer based on your experience.

Can a domain name with a product number from a large manufacturer be considered trademark infringement?

For example: a model of an Hp computer: DV6-1350us

type it into google....someone registered and is on the first page of google for dv61350us dot com

Is this trademark infringement....yes or no and why?

Hi Guni, thanks for dropping by. I'm sure it will go well, so sure it will be of interest.
Regards
Joseph

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Hi BlueLounge, seems that in the UK the high rankings are a bit slower to come by. Never mind, I envisage that climbing up nicely in the days to come. Thanks for letting me know!
Regards
Joseph

Woohoo! - I've finally read every post! Wow I can't believe that I'm just finding this thread. Well not "just" finding it. I actually found it a couple of days ago, and have been using every free moment to read through it.

I've been here for several years, and this is officially my favorite thread of all time. I've paid a lot of money for courses that are not nearly as comprehensive as you are in this thread. Kudos to you!

Since I'm here I'll put a question out there for you. In your domain name you used the "z" at the end. Of course in our phonetics, that's not far from an "s". But does Google really consider this? Do you think we could get away with putting any letter there at the end? For example what if your domain name was TwilightPosterg.com? Would it have the same effect?

Thank you so much for this outstanding thread. Will be following it and you closely in the future.

Hey Dan, that's cool! Happy to hear that Jacob helped you out there!

Regards
Joseph

Hi again, when picking a domain name, am I right in understanding it is not important to pick the exact keyword for your domain, example "blackbmw.com" as long as you have the keyword in the domain,i.e. "blackbmwreview" "testdriveblackbmw"

Regards, Mick.

P.S. Joseph, just been on your blog and found this exact question answered, that will teach me, Regards.

Hey Gary, nice to have you stop by here, and to have you read every post - that must have taken quite some doing, so congrats!! Hehe

Oh gee - you been on WF since 2006 and you reckon this is the best thread there is?!! That is indeed very kind of you to say so, I thank you from the bottom of my heart!


Yup, I know what you mean about spending thousands on "stuff" that is not nearly as comprehensive as it should be. And in-part, that is my reason for doing this thread - its kinda like a wake-up call, particularly to those who put together the glossies and charge an utter fortune for it. Just to line their own pockets and then tell their mates that they broke their last income record on the previous product launch. HOW SAD IS THAT!! Damn well makes me shake with anger right now, so it does. Utter greed! Not to mention the egotistical agenda too of course.

Okay, relax Joseph, relax...


TwilightPosterg.com

Hehe, I suspect that would be fine if you were German. No disrepect to the Germans, of course, its just they kinda talk a bit like this. Or maybe its my imagination... (Read this part Gary then I will edit it out - don't want to be accused of anything here, do I??)

No, I did not use the "z" for Google's sake but for the searchers sake. I liked the sound of the domain very much, and when something gives me a little thrill I tend to do it regardless of what good ol' Goog thinks about it.

But shhhh - don't tell them I said so, please.

I think that if you can get an exact match in the domain name some place, then you are ahead of the general competition in the game of SEO. Plus, the domain name itself will stand out to the potential visitor because of the bolding thanks to Google. Plus the potential visitor sees the domain name and knows that its exactly what they are looking for (or very close anyhow).

Not much else matters in my mind, and everyone including Goog is happy.
I'll get back to you regards your other queries shortly Gary.

Thanks again for you very kind words, much appreciated!

Regards
Joseph

Hi Gary, thanks for your patience!

I suspect that links from blogrolls are not nearly as valuable as are links from within a body of text. There is no LSI for one thing and Goog is placing more and more emphasis on this aspect of on-page SEO. So links from blogrolls are very much second best. So I think that answers your question Gary. I personally would not waste my time on it.

I'm actually trying out a couple of new services which I found out about recently. And no, they are not at all expensive - one off payments for both and one cost only a few bucks. I have not had time to even look at that one but I shall be feeding back all findings on my blog and on my forum.

Infact, anything that I do and find of value I shall be sharing on my blog and forum as and when. After all, getting a real good mix of quality backlinks over time can be quite a struggle unless you have a lot of money to invest in many different monthly services. And many of them are sheer rubbish, so it can be a tough call to know what's what, as I am sure you yourself are aware.

I'll keep you posted on this anyhow!

Kind regards
Joseph

Hi Marie, that's very kind of you to comment about my writing, thank you kindly! I take a lot of pleasure in spouting forth my passion, I'm sure that comes across kinda clearly...


Funny that, I remember not long ago saying that I don't SEO for clients and then just yesterday I said that I am SEO'ing for clients. Hehe, sorry if there was confusion there. The clients who I am SEO'ing for I have in place a "buffer", if you like. I don't do any selling of my work, I let my business partner do that for me. I just sit quietly in the background tapping away on my laptop's keyboard!

That said Marie, if you would care to contact me here josef.archibald@ymail.com then we could discuss your potential proposal further.

Can you give me an idea as to the nature of the niche - online business or for offline who want an online presence. Are you perhaps finding clients to team up with to supercharge their websites and charge them a monthly fee.... Or perhaps for yourself - your own business... That sort of thing. That would be great!

Thank you Marie, looking forward to hearing from you!
Kind regards!
Joseph

Hi Ed, thanks for coming by and adding your thoughts!

This is indeed my intention - however, not only for the single keyword - I want to get at least top 5 for all 4 keyword phrases mentioned throughout the thread here - for the money site anyhow.

And what's more, I would much prefer to get at least one of the Web 2.0's ranking top 5 for all 4 keywords too. This is a longer term plan however, so no quick fix here.

Again - its not about the income that's to be generated from posters sales (even with the 20% affil commission that Selena suggested earlier - which is much hotter than eBay's piddly commission scale!), but just to prove it can be done and to tickle my ego a bit in the process, of course

Let's hope this all happens without me having to 'slog it' for the next 6 months

Kind regards Ed!
Joseph

Hi John (dude), thanks for coming by and commenting - I hope you can benefit a lot from what is written about on the thread!

Kind regards!
Joseph


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Hello DT, thanks for giving us your feedback!

That's great and I do encourage this - please do post up some of the key points on your blog!

The only thing I would ask in return if you are indeed doing some copying pasting from here, is a single link either to the Warrior Forum thread here, or to my own SEOTips blog which is here

SEO Tips & Tricks that will Make Your Hair Stand on End!


Thanks again DT!
Kind regards
Joseph

OK Joseph. I wait to hear from you and also if you can advise your release date for the Ebook please.

Marie

Yes Joseph I see that we definitely have some issues to work through.

Don't worry as my editing fees are more than reasonable to ensure a readable format otherwise nobody but a Highlander will understand a word.

lol

Hi Joseph,

Hope you are well, Just thought you'd appreciate an update from the UK as to your rankings! I heard you worked in a warehouse in Central England? I'm from Leeds myself! I shall be PM'ing you regarding some local niche work and tutoring for myself.

Yes Ben, I would be thanks for asking! Its precisely the thing I have going on over in the States with another business partner (and got another venture in the pipeline elsewhere) so I am very happy to expand on this type of pursuit.

Just let me know where you are at and we can talk a bit more on it.

Cheers!

Jo

Hi Charles, yes that is correct - UAW or BB or whatever else for that matter will offer the same sort of end result at a 50th of the effort. However, what I am proposing is a big step up when compared to some nameless website that gets 10 visitors a week.

I am pushing for quality and with that comes traffic and worthy backlinks.

There is the difference and in my mind its enough of a difference to want to go out of one's way to grab hold of.

So more work - definitely, but the results are potentially far greater - for both parties!

I think using something like SENuke in a very thoughtful and sensible manner can bring great gains to any internet marketing campaign. I sense that most people don't utilize the capabilities of this software well at all, thus do not get anything near their money's worth. After all, what does it cost - one package is something like $67 monthly, while the other is $129 monthly or whatever.

Its a ton of money to be spending if you are not seeing some relatively fast results!

But a very good investment if you know how to harness its power.

Speak again soon Charles!

Regards
Joseph

Hi Joe,

Just wondering is there any reason why you use a proxy as oppose to google itself to see your rankings?

Thanks.

Hi Inter, yes - I use the proxy and Scroogle so that I don't get biased results. If I used a standard Google search they may well be biased in my favor.

Thus, instead of say - my Posterz site showing up at 7th which it did in the proxy it would show up at 4th in a standard Google search.

Google bias results to the searcher. Thus due to the fact that Posterz is my site and I visit it often because of that, they would offer it nearer the top of my search for things like "Twilight poster" or "Twilight posters". If you visit a site often then it has the habit of showing up a bit higher in your search results. Not always but it can do.

Cheers!
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Hi Martin, thanks for your message!

The main keywords are "Twilight poster"

The secondaries are:

"Twilight posters"
"New Moon poster"
"New Moon posters"

Thanks!
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Hi ZXT, thanks for the email! I will get back to you as soon as I can!

Regards!
Joseph



And thanks to everyone who has either PM'd me or sent me an email regards to the post above - guest posting. Good response so far, so by all means keep them coming!

Jo

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Hi Phil, thanks for coming by and commenting!

Yours is the first comment on the thread for almost 24 hours. But then, I think folks are getting geared up for the release of the eBook. Which could well be up and available on the WSO this time tomorrow (providing there are no more hiccups :rolleyes!

Thanks again and happy you are seeing the real value here!

Regards
Joseph

Hi Charles, I would prefer the waiting than the doing! In future, I'll stick with the SEO slog rather than the eBook production nightmare

Talk about time mis-spent!

I'm hoping it will be out tomorrow but I've still some issues to iron out before guaranteeing that. Will of course be posting up on here exactly the moment its a green light!

Kind regards!

Joseph

Yes Marie, he needs a spanking or whipping so that he will move faster

UPDATE ON EBOOK RELEASE - Goes Live TODAY!!


I do apologize for this very late announcement. As you no doubt are aware, the Warrior Forum has been down for quite a few hours now, hence the late announcement.


Nevertheless, things must go on!


Please be sure to read the following!



Its been a while coming but I am happy to announce that today the eBook will be LIVE!


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Now, as promised (sort of) the first 25 eBooks will be priced at $9.00


The next 25 will be priced at $14.00


And there-after, while the chance is still available to purchase the eBook in its current format, it will be available on the WSO at $19.00


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This will not last too long however. As I said a number of times I will be taking it down from the WSO at any time in preparation for making it an offer on eJunkie or ClickBank.



It will be tarted up a bit with some graphics etc. and maybe some more tasty info added too (more info that has not been released on the Challenge thread - so this will be brand new and hot!). That has yet to be discussed however.


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Once the book is taken down from WSO you will not be able to get it for any less than $49.00 a pop - perhaps rather a lot more!


The reason I am making this available so cheaply on the Warrior Forum is in part to reward you for following me throughout the Challenge (which in some ways seems like 3 months old now, rather than just over a month!).


But also, to be fair, the techniques and thougths that I share within the eBook are what I have shared with you already. Its just a much-condensed version of that (albeit still over 120 pages in length!).


Thus it would not be fair for me to set the price too high, and at the same time would go against my own ethos - not to price anyone out of the ability to obtain great SEO and IM - related information that's gonna end up making them money from their own pursuits online!


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Thus now is your chance to grab yourself a total bargain!


Enough said.


The eBook will be live at 5pm GMT (all going well!). Which is 10am PST, I trust.


I'll make it known on here as soon as it is live! And provide the link to it.


The advert has been passed so its just a case of making payment.


Good luck and best regards!
Joseph


PS. I did say some time ago that I would not include one of those counter things that says something along the lines of... only 7 left...

I'm afraid that in this instance, I had to do so, simply because I am releasing very limited copies at different price ranges. However, each seperate purchase is tracked by sofware that I have no access to, thus the stats are totally legitimate and there is no fogging the figures as is the norm!

Thanks Charles! I just hope all the links work well together upon purchase. I've not done anything remotely like this in well over a year, so fingers are tightly crossed!

Regards
Joseph


27 minutes to launch and counting...

You know Joseph... what really got me bummed was not being able to read it right away and having to wait until I get home tonight. LOL

Well Charles, yes it is trying to create more of a "buzz" about the launch by utilizing this "scarcity" model, you are quite right.

But then, you can also see it this way (in this case, anyhow) - the more "buzz" about a product, the more sales are made. The more sales are made, the more people get the eBook. The more people get the eBook, then the more people learn to be successful now, rather than in a years time, two years time, or never at all.

As such, I feel this sense of scarcity to be justified. After all, its not like I'm asking $200 a go or something...

Must get to the actual launch now, time is passing fast...

Kind regards!
Joseph

Same here!

Okay, sorry everyone, I have to work on that...

I ll let you know asap when I "think" its working...

Oh dear me, here we go....

Hi Everyone, the ad has been re-edited, but please give it a few minutes to be checked by Thomas, thanks.

Furthermore, I have re-set the increments to 75. What this means is that the first 75 (not the first 25) will get the ebook for $9 each!!!

And then the next 75 to purchase will then get the ebook at $14...

Hope everyone is happy about that...

Thanks again for your patience with me on this!

J

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Ok - so I read page 1 - 6 pretty closely - no more time for 8 more pages.

So can we get to the chase here? [ if I may be blunt ] So the gist is ...

1 . do some kw research

2. pick a very close exact match kw targeted domain - buy it

3. install wp there

4. write a high quality article / blog post

5. spin article[s] - post to article directories - for backlinks

6. create some web 2.0 sites - usual suspects Squid/Weebly/Hub/Webs etc ... Put some varied "quality" content on it - point links to $$$ site page[s].

7. build backlinks to all of it.

This seems like rather standard niche marketing and basic white hat seo fare here - is there really a need for a wso?

Also lets add up the costs to get this blog ranked #9 in my browser
{ your lens is above it in my firefox ]

Costs / Tools required for this method:

1. Spyfu - $70 mth
2. Micro Niche Finder - $99
3. The Best Spinner - $77 yr
4. UAW - $67 x 45 day - $134
5. Blog BluePrint - $57 mth x 2 mths = $114
6. domain - $8
7. hosting - $9.00 mth / $18

Ok - so ... Im all down with tools to grow your busines, but thought it important for newbs - as thats pretty much the only folks who dont already know 75% of whats going on here ... if we'd be following your lead here and I think thats all fine - we need to be ready to spend $518 to follow you - and thats pretty much before this thing turns a nickle.

Again - I firmly believe you need to be able and willing to spend some $$$ to make money online or anywhere. I just dont think i need a $9 eBook to spell this part out - didnt see it talked about much.

OK - so new guy/gal coming to the party ante's up their $500 bones - and rocks out. So at the end of the 45 days - for their time and treasure - they could expect to be ...

- Between position 6-10 on page one
- $500 out of pocket
... and with only 100 backlinks to the $$ page
... less than 200 to the squidoo lens [ not sure how many of those are internal linking from squidoo itself]


The main and pretty much only reasons i bothered to post in here - cuz I really dont want to be Barney Buzzkill ... is all the feigning of ecstasy that a truly revolutionary wso and ... now an eBook is becoming available. Had there been no self promoted links to the wso in this thread... which is bad form here btw [ no biggie - just sayin' ] Id let everyone go be happy dropping more $$ they dont have.

BUT ... the #1 reason for some critique - is the comment about the delicate-ness of your new domain - and that it needs just the right amount of new links - to not damge its delicate ballet of a google dance - but your new lens and hub and whatever can be abused with links. The urban legends continue ...

Also - theres tons of comments here about how competitive this niche keyword phrase is. 34,000 in quotes for twilight posters isnt a hardcore competitive term [ I know - not the only gauge or the best ] Its not micro niche adsense X-Factor / MFA kinda easy - as in "will rank" with just a domain name name being the right KW's.

None of the pages ahead of you have more than 500 backlinks to the page that your trying to outrank.

Be super cool to the newbs ...

THE LINK IS NOW LIVE EVERYONE!!

THE BUY IT NOW LINK IS FINALLY LIVE AND WORKING!!


Here is the link...

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post2172284

My pleasure Dennis, thanks for coming by and letting me know!

Kind regards
Joseph

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Here is the link to the eBook WSO...

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post2172284

Thank you!!

Hey Gary, thanks for that plug! You can see now where the sloggin's been for the past couple weeks, albeit much of the write-up was done by Jenny and not by myself

I think for all those who have not seen the thread, then even at $49 its a great bargain. For all you ladies and gents that are familiar with this thread, its keenly priced as it is - below the $20 mark for sure.

I did promise a couple weeks back that there would be more action to come - either on this thread or on a new one. I think I need a brake to recharge a bit though.

However, once again, for all those folks that regularly visit my SEO tips site, my forum, and for those that are on my optin list, I'll be bouncing some really hot ideas and info around over on there. So you guys and gals are in for a treat in the coming weeks and months!


Thanks again Gary for the excellent feedback on this thread!!

Kind regards!
Joseph

4morereferrals aka barney, can you please go over to the xfactor thread and throw some realism out there as it seem to be turning into another quality content orgy, where all the people who claim they write rich, unique, quality content rub eachother down in baby oil and... well, you get the picture.

Hi Charles, yes I could do some fairly straight-forward diagram regards to the linking process. If you give me a bit to come back down to earth and catch up on some sleep I'll try and get some help with that and see what we can come up with.

Apparently, even though I go out of my way to please everyone with what I am doing, I suspect even the addition of a glossy looking diagram may not be enough to make some folks smile... :p But I am confident it will help to make your day that much brighter, and for me, that's simply priceless!

I'll get back to you on that one Charles...
Kind regards!
Joseph



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Hello KSB, thanks for coming by and leaving your comments! I'm very happy you are finding the information useful and not all a pile of poop!

Thanks and regards!
Joseph

Oh, and thanks for your glowing review about the ugly eBook on the other thread - much appreciated!

I have not nor will I ever advocate that anyone pay for all those tools!

SpyFu - FREE.

MNF - I said time and again throughout the thread - no need - just use the Google Keyword Tool which is excellent and FREE.

Best Spinner - yes, cos it saves you a mass of time or a MASS IN OUTSOURCING FEES!

UAW - by all means dip in and out as the need arises - a month here and month there. I do, so why can't you? So how about total useage per year of around 4 months... whatever suits your own requirements.

BB - again - use as you need it, if you want to use it.

Domain and hosting... shucks...
But again, if you want to go down the route of Squids or Hubs or whatever - free, great, I say well done its a great choice!


Monthly costs now... ??

And yes Charles, you yourself had made some excellent points that should not have been over-looked, and certainly have not been by me, throughout the duration of the thread and which has been thoroughly outlined within the eBook.

Thanks!
Regards
Joseph

Hi Banel, I hear you loud and clear!

Let me just run it by my ol' mate and see what he suggests regards this.

I'll let you know in due course what I can do about it.

Cheers!

Joseph