Page Rank Being Made Private?

13 years ago

It would be a good thing.

I have argued for years that Google makes their job of measuring value more difficult, because people have the ability to look at PageRank and buy links on pages that have PageRank.

As long as people who are willing to buy and sell links can see PageRank, there will always remain links that are designed only to influence Google, rather than to attract human eyeballs.

And that in itself is a bad thing in my mind, for Google's users and the businesses buying the advertising.

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mojojuju

13 years ago

I wish they would keep it private. I think that making it public like they have with the pagerank toolbar has only led to abuse with webmasters gaming their algorithm. Besides, for general web surfing, I never found the page rank toolbar useful in helping me decide if a web page is "useful". That I think was the whole idea of the google toolbar with pagerank, that it would somehow tell people if a page is "important".

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dsbusiness23

13 years ago

Always make sure that a website has not forged their pagerank. Forging a pagerank can be done and there are many sites where you can enter a URL and find out if that particular site has had its pagerank forged. This is especially important to check if you are buying websites or domain names.

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mtntgr

13 years ago

i work for a company that did that for years

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Always make sure that a website has not forged their pagerank. Forging a pagerank can be done and there are many sites where you can enter a URL and find out if that particular site has had its pagerank forged. This is especially important to check if you are buying websites or domain names.

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GeorgR.

13 years ago

That would be great, PR is such a nonsense IMO.

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alamest

13 years ago

It will be very good idea and I believe Google always cares about users rather than advertisers between value should be given to the user and which will increase the quality of user visitors and advertiser will understand what to give and what not to give.

Do you have any idea when it will started and after it get started than no one will be able to see the page rank of a website...right..

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by alamest

Do you have any idea when it will started and after it get started than no one will be able to see the page rank of a website...right..

I just read the page on the link in the OP.

This is not an announcement made by Google, but rather a suggestion made by another webmaster...

I have also made this suggestion in public before, having seen my article suggesting this published in a major SEO newsletter.

The poster at the link is recommending that we turn the comments section of Matt Cutts blog on one post into a campaign platform for this idea.

So I would venture to suggest that it is not something that anyone can place a time frame on, since Google has not yet publicly made an announcement for this change.

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mtntgr

13 years ago

True, but...

It makes so much sense, and Google can act so fast when it wants too...

That all I can say is hold your breath, caus' some peoples' worlds are about to turn upside down.

But I'm sure the super-geeks will soon find a way to create a PR simulation algorithm,
so they can still guess-timate google's most valued / trusted sites (and their lives can go with as little change as possible).

And the place that I saw "PageRank Private" was on a google page, so they are definitely testing it...
(e.g.- their adwords tool is one example)

Originally Posted by tpw

I just read the page on the link in the OP.

This is not an announcement made by Google, but rather a suggestion made by another webmaster...

I have also made this suggestion in public before, having seen my article suggesting this published in a major SEO newsletter.

The poster at the link is recommending that we turn the comments section of Matt Cutts blog on one post into a campaign platform for this idea.

So I would venture to suggest that it is not something that anyone can place a time frame on, since Google has not yet publicly made an announcement for this change.

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mtntgr

13 years ago

"As you may also be aware, Matt Cutts is Google lead engineer of the Web spam division. Once again he published in his blog another appeal to ask for paid link spam reports."
Calling for link spam reports

I don't think it will take Cutts and crew too long to realize that that approach won't work... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by tpw

I just read the page on the link in the OP.

This is not an announcement made by Google, but rather a suggestion made by another webmaster...

I have also made this suggestion in public before, having seen my article suggesting this published in a major SEO newsletter.

The poster at the link is recommending that we turn the comments section of Matt Cutts blog on one post into a campaign platform for this idea.

So I would venture to suggest that it is not something that anyone can place a time frame on, since Google has not yet publicly made an announcement for this change.

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mtntgr

13 years ago

no one knows, and if i did they'd kill me ;-0

seriously, the rate of change in their algorithm seems to be accelerating exponentially
one day historians may look back and call this the -
"Google - Facebook War(s) Epoch"

Originally Posted by alamest

It will be very good idea and I believe Google always cares about users rather than advertisers between value should be given to the user and which will increase the quality of user visitors and advertiser will understand what to give and what not to give.

Do you have any idea when it will started and after it get started than no one will be able to see the page rank of a website...right..

Good one..

Alam

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dvduval

13 years ago

I like the idea overall, but there are many things to consider. If pagerank goes away overall, then people will turn to other ranking systems as a way to assess value. I just wish google would either decide to show it everywhere and update it, or just turn it off from view completely.

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paulgl 13 years ago

Where's the private bit? I see nothing about private. I see making
the PR known to the webmaster only via webmaster tools. So?
That means someone asks, I tell them my PR. What's the big deal?

Link buyers don't find your site by PR, they find it by SERP. So,
they find me #1 send me an email, hey pal, what's the PR? Then
what is to keep these people from telling others what my PR is?

The whole "private" thing makes no sense.

And what, pray tell, of the zillions of websites that don't use
webmaster tools? They will be conned into the google fold
by NEEDING to use google webmaster tools! Lunacy!

Complete silliness. It's not up to us to be google's internet cop.

Just think of the industry in estimating a site's PR.

Let google take PR completely off the radar. Make it google's
internal ranking. Making it available to just a small part of the
internet makes it ripe for abuse, manipulation, and
speculation. Oh. On second thought, that's what happens now!

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GeorgR.

13 years ago

Google is constantly doing something and then needs to iron out their OWN silly mistakes.

First:

It was Google itself who ranked the crap **** Berry articles in ezine and thus they had to introduce their great "farmer algorithm" since they faced BIG complaints recently about their seach quality.

And:

PR is Google's invention (named after Larry PAGE) which was (and is?) one of the main factors deciding about rankings. They came up with the idea to give each page a "ranking" indicating strength, popularity, authority etc. of a domain.

So now what? After years with any 12 year old SEO in bangladesh knowing how to game the system they finally realize it might be time to pull it?

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

Private wouldn't work, I'll tell you why!

If it went private, that would open up the flood gates for fake high PR scams.

The only way to prove the high PR is a screenshot, & don't get me started on fake screenshots & how fast they can be made.

So, now you 'll have scammers selling links that are 100% fake PR & nothing anyone else can do to prove they are fake.

Good luck with that...

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Adam H

13 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Private wouldn't work, I'll tell you why!

If it went private, that would open up the flood gates for fake high PR scams.

The only way to prove the high PR is a screenshot, & don't get me started on fake screenshots & how fast they can be made.

So, now you 'll have scammers selling links that are 100% fake PR & nothing anyone else can do to prove they are fake.

Good luck with that...

And that would be the link buyers fault for not doing his research , deserved to get scammed

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Riverwire

And that would be the link buyers fault for not doing his research , deserved to get scammed

Maybe, but I bet it would last at least a couple of years considering all the really old web pages on the net that make reference to PR, & people coming online every single day that are new to IM.

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Adam H

13 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Maybe, but I bet it would last at least a couple of years considering all the really old web pages on the net that make reference to PR, & people coming online every single day that are new to IM.

Lol no doubting that, hell id put money people still asking "how do i get PR" 12 months after it no longer exists for the public

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Adam H

13 years ago

It would mean that people would actually have to do proper competitor back link analysis instead of doing it the lazy way, looking at a green bar and saying "oohh PR6 that must mean its good" . Checking your competitors backlinks and checking their backlinks statistics to see if they look like an authority in that niche. Its that green bar imo which spurned on the creation so some many "SEO's" because they felt it was easy to judge a domains weight and easy money.

Get rid of it for good , good riddance

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