Getting Out of the Sandbox Explained!

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Ok so there are tons of threads out there with people complaining they've been sandboxed. In one of the threads I mentioned how I have about a 90-95% success rate at climbing out of the so called "sandbox" and have received many PM's on how to do this. I figured I should start a thread explaining some of my methods as a reference to help others. If this ends up being useful to you please hit the thanks button as im trying to build my reputation a bit more around here.

First lets start with a diagram.



This is a webpage that I used in another thread as an example. When my site started it got indexed with a few articles and was ranking in the lower 20's. I then sent 10,000 profile links and 10,000 blog comments at the site in 1 day. As you can see it then plummeted for about 2 weeks to the 300's and then I did my method and BAMM! Back strong! Now ive had a steady rise but the site just wasn't getting to the top 5 like I wanted. Then I blasted the hell out of the page again, it went up to #7, then to #10 then to #295, Sandboxed again! Now at this point I wrote in another sandboxing thread how I guarantee I can get my site out of the sandbox and back to #5. You can check out the discussion here Sandbox Discussion. I then did my method, the site flew out of the sandbox hit around #7 again which was disappointing, I just blasted some more links and it hit #5 then "sandboxed" again. Now ive seen my site hit #5 before going to the sandbox. Basically id be happy with a #5 ranking to where I don't need to play the sandbox game in order to push my site up the rankings anymore. I will now use my methods to bring the site out of the sandbox once again and have it stay at #5, then slow my link building to where I can slowly climb from there.

Im showing you this so you can see im not just blowing smoke. I use Googles sandbox as I way to be able to pound tons of links to gain better rankings. Then I use my methods to pull it out of the Sandbox. Im not recommending this as a good link building method because it takes a strong person to stomach the huge sudden drops especially when you had page 1 rankings and tomorrow Google could change its algo and I might not be able to pull myself out anymore.

My idea behind what the sandbox is that you have this incredibly vast algorithm that has to literally deal with every single collection of letters, numbers and sort webpages in some order that will give a quality result. Now lets say you take a search term "black leg warmer for dancers". Hypothetically this robot maybe has a collection of about 5000 times that its seen this exact phrase in anchor text. Now someone goes and throws 20,000 links all with that phrase or something extremely similar at the robot all going to the same page.

Now if I were sorting threw something physically id take that thing that was getting lots of votes and put it to the side. Then i'd reorganize everything that didn't change and then find where to place this newly popular thing, this is somewhat similar to the google dance. I think we all like to believe Google is better then it is. Maybe it takes time to reorganize this, especially for these niche phrases that Google probably doesn't care much about and possibly more time then we like to believe the almighty Google could possibly take. Combine all that with a little bit of wanting to hide the algorithm to possible spammers and analysts. The difference between the dance and the sandbox to me though is a temporary penalty, I don't believe Google has permanent penalties other then de-indexing. These temporary penalties are there I feel to scare you off from preceding with your link building if you are indeed a spammer and all that to me is TADA!!! THE SANDBOX!!!

So how do you get out of the sandbox? Well heres my method, it works for me almost every single time, but then again I build links my way so maybe your building methods won't work the same way.

Google wants to see varied link building schemes. So like I said earlier I took my site and pounded 10,000 blog comments and 10,000 profile links. Maybe you got an Xrumer package from a fellow warrior that sandboxed your site. Now what you'll need to do is basically equal out your link portfolio to Google. If you have built 10,000 profile links that sandboxed you then you're gonna need to start pounding Senuke and AMR to get tons of web 2.0 and article directory links to eventually even out your sites link portfolio and have Google say "ok penalty lifted" and BAM now all those links you ever built start counting. This works like a charm if you were sandboxed for spammy blog comments and profile links.

Now its a bit more difficult if its the other way around and you were sandboxed due to articles or web 2.0s. Usually this only happens if your site is very new and you really pounded it with links out of nowhere. I feel its much harder to get sandboxed for these types of links so if you did, congratulations you really made a splash! Like the previous method I would start trying to even out the link portfolio with some blog comments and xrumer blasts but be somewhat careful as these can do as much harm as good. Go a bit more slowly then you would the other way around. Now you are also going to need more varied articles. Things like Article Ranks, UAW can definitely help. With constantly drip feeding more articles you will be showing Google that your site is still building these quality links. If you can afford Build My Rank or Linkvana, they will offer high PR links that will really get Google to lift that temporary penalty.

All in all your site will probably come back on its own but it could take months. So using these techniques can speed it up. If people are interested in this thread I will report back and show you how my example website will be back on page 1 whenever I decide I want it to as further proof that this works. Sorry for the incredibly long thread but I hope this helps some people. Id love to see more warriors contributing quality to the community instead of pretending their secrets are black magic or something.
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  • Good post. I've been sandboxed and to get out I've just blasted even more backlinks at my sites. Within a week or two I'm back where I was. Best bet is just to avoid being sandboxed by having a balanced backlinking strategy.

    Google likes to see a steady rate of backlinks, if it doesn't it thinks it's fishy that a site gets 1000 backlinks one day and zero the next.
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    • So when you over take those 50-100 sites in front of you, does
      that mean they are now sandboxed? And what if they follow
      your advice? It's just leap-frog then. Everybody claiming
      sandboxed.

      And what does that say about the sites still below you.
      Are they double-secret sandboxed?

      So much nonsense. Get 1,000 backlinks a day, then you have to do that
      the rest of your life? Get a grip people. Google could care less
      about how many backlinks you build.

      I know it pains a lot of people, but that sticky at the top of this section
      is there for a reason. Read it.
      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...questions.html

      Paul
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    • Yeah most of my sites all took a hard hit in the SERPs almost two weeks ago because of my pounding the crap out of them with links, so for the past week I've just been steadily building more links, so hopefully that brings them back.
  • an easier way of doing things would be a temporary 302 redirect to a page of keyword stuffing and content and then removing this page after 24 hours.

    I've seen this work plenty of times.

    However, in the past few months I've seen that if you have original content with link diversity the sandbox (dance) won't be placed.\

    It's all very interesting... one of my favorite parts of IM is testing the boundaries of the penalties and alogrithems
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    • By link diversity, do you mean diversity in the type of links you are getting or how many sources your links come from?
  • Also... I never said the QDF was a penalty. Obviously it's a boost that eventually disappears. That being said, it still feels like a penalty because the first time you notice it is when it's gone. (rankings drop)

    Anyone with an autoblog or who's backlink spammed like crazy will have experienced a penalty at some point.

    For example, if I had a unique and 'high quality' homepage. But I then immediately posted a thousand scraped posts using autoblog software. In a matter of days (maybe even hours) google would smack my entire site. (including my home page...)

    Do you honestly think there's no such thing as a SE penalty? <---- serious question, I'm actually concerned about you
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    • Anyone who's seen a penalty has no doubt that they exist. Im not sure why people even argue this.
  • I got my site slammed using AMR. The site was relatively new and ranking well after the first AMR run. I was using a heavily spun and optimized article. I submitted it twice over a 4 week period. Half way through the 2nd run (drip fed over a week) the site increased in rankings. Almost immediately after the 2nd run it's no longer in the top 1,000 for any of the keywords. It's been around a month and it still isn't back. I've done some other diversified linking in the meantime. Occasionally it will bounce into the top 200 for the easiest keywords.

    I appreciate the congratulations, but money would be better
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    • Sorry to hear that, yea that'll happen. Don't sweat it it'll be back, it may take a few months though. If this happened in the last few days then wait it out because tons of sites have been dropped, it looks like Googles doing some work so it may not be anything other then Google tweaking for a few days.

      If it happened more then a few days ago I'd suggest building links in other areas to speed up the process. Ive found a nice Xrumer blast can get things moving again but proceed at your own risk.
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  • I have been sandboxed i feel for massive content. I put up over 5000 pages on a site, overnight... and google shows the pages as indexed, but they are not visible in the SERPS under any term.
    Advice from my colleagues - only put up 300 - 400 pages at a time...
    anything over that gets black flagged.
    Any thoughts on this guys?

    Cheers.
    Walt
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    • I've never put up that much content at once. Was it original, or store pages with manufacturer descriptions? If it was all original, why did you put it up all at once?

      How long has it been up? If it's been awhile you may want to begin hitting the homepage with links then deep linking (that will take awhile)
  • Is your getting out of sandbox method still working ? How many sites you managed to get out ?
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    • istence (top 1,000) for the past couple days.

      I have not done any article link building since the last AMR run that (seemed) to tank the site. I have been building links through other methods. If anyone wants me to post further updates let me know.
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  • I also have a site that tanked after a 10,000 xrumer blast, which I REALLY want back.

    Please keep this thread updated, very useful!
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    • Hi 36burrows,

      Stop creating web spam and start creating meritorious backlinks.

      And if you really believe xrumer blast tanked your site, just target your competitors with the exact same technique.
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  • Nice tip, Google wants us all to have unique content, and people linking to nthat content from a variety of sites be it web 2.0, blogs, or directories, the diversity is what gives Google the confidence that your site is legit
  • Never been in sandbox so far, this way really works? How long will it take to climb out of the sandbox?
  • dp40oz -> managed to get more sites out of sandbox ??
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    • Hey yea im actually out right now i'll try to post screenshots later. Just remember evening out your link portfolio is really the key to getting out of the sandbox. Also the sandbox as far as I see is usually ranking in the 200-500's anything above that isn't really a sandbox its just a natural rank and anything below that is a harsher penalty. Not always but this has been my general observations.
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  • great post!
  • Great Post! not that I have been sandboxed, but great! thanks
  • I have never been a sanbox! But it seems like your website do experience the up and down! Thanks for informative tips you guys show. Backlins seem to be good to Google!
  • hi dp40oz i have a client site who are on sandbox right now, you do such services that could help a website out from the sandbox using your method? if so how much will you charge for it? thanks

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    Ok so there are tons of threads out there with people complaining they've been sandboxed. In one of the threads I mentioned how I have about a 90-95% success rate at climbing out of the so called "sandbox" and have received many PM's on how to do this. I figured I should start a thread explaining some of my methods as a reference to help others. If this ends up being useful to you please hit the thanks button as im trying to build my reputation a bit more around here. First lets start with a diagram.