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However, would you be able to show gross earnings for a group of channels? (i.e. the ones for the site) BTW, I love your site too. I like the way you have the entry page set up. Do you generally recommend having a static page as your entry page? Also, do you have adsense set up to alternate block formats at the top of certain pages? Just that I visited a page and it had the banner size unit at the top of the page but when I reloaded the same page I got one of those square units and when I reloaded again it reverted to the banner size unit. It kinda baffled me that the same page had two different sized ad units at different loads. I don't know whether that's supposed to happen or whether maxbannerads is making a boo boo. | |
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It's all part of the testing process Julia.. I generally use staic front pages on my blogs except for blogs like my 100 bucks challenge blog which is more news based. For this I use a dynamic front page for latest information to show up.
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what is the name of your site so I can take a look at it and see how you have set up your blog. Thanks Susan |
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Hi Steve, I don't know if you have mentioned already but I have a question. Are you using Firepow and bookmarking deamon? Thanks Oling |
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arh ha, that makes perfect sense. And definitely advisable. ![]() I dont remember him saying that, no, this thread is rather LARGE and haven't been reading all of them - bit busy doing other stuff ![]() cheers
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HI Steve, I've contacted Adsense and you are allowed to show the adsense earnings, one is just not allowed to show the CTR, Impressions and Clicks made. Just the total. Section 7 below is a little vague on what they mean, so I asked them about it. https://www.google.com/adsense/localized-terms If they have changed it, then they need to update their terms since this was made back in 2008, Feb, 25th.
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Loz, yes of course you are allowed to show adsense earnings but only Gross adsense earnings, not per site, per channel or anything else but gross earnings. If you have other information then please tell us the name of who you contacted and a copy of the email where it states different.
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Did I miss it? Has the URL for this test site been posted in this thread?
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sorry Steve, you're mistaken... I dont have the email any more, that kind of information is not hard for me to forget - I'm afraid you'll have to contact them about it. The terms have not been updated since 2008, Feb, and it clearly does not state individual sites, or gross, etc. If you already contacted them about it and they say it's not allowed, that's just their view on it and not the actual TOS terms - it's probably something that they will end up doing, but in the mean time, the TOS does not state that... There was an issue about this before about placing ads under the title of a page, ppl were still doing this until they updated the terms, which was perfectly fine according to the Adsense Staff.
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Loz, I am not mistaken and it is very clear this is the current TOS and it is very clear in what it says:
I have written to google for clarification on this issue and I am waiting for a reply. Loz, I have an idea, why don't you start a new thread on here and detail your adsense earnings for just one of your sites or channels?
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Has anyone posted the site that Steve is working on to get to the $100 a day? I am getting ready to start a new blog and would love to get a look at what his layout is to give me some ideas for my new blog I am going to start tomorrow. Thanks |
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Hi usfemail, I suggest you read the very first message in this thread for your answer.. |
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Those earnings are somewhat less now, since a lot of things have changed with the ranking algorithm, but still rather high. | |||
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Using a url channel for your blog, I'd think google would approve of giving gross income for that site as a whole. We see it done on sites/blogs for sale and often in posts here with no problems reported. By using the word "gross" google prevents site owners from doing the division themselves and reporting income/click for a site in an effort to circumvent the other restrictions on what can be revealed. Always good to ask - but I do hope they will allow you to report income for this domain month by month. kay |
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Loz, we will have to agree to disagree on this, I am not making assumptions, it's very clear, you can only reveal GROSS income pertaining to your account, it is in their TOS in black and white. Until I actually have proof and not hearsay, I will only make indications about how well the adsense is doing and that is that. Feel free to reveal your site earnings if you are that confident though.
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Steve, don't want to argue with you bro, you made an assumption before contacting them, now you have, you can see if your assumption is correct when they reply. It's not in black and white, it clearly states CTR. The property performance refers to ecmp, impressions and clicks, not earnings. A lot of people show their earnings for their individual sites, John Ledger is a prime example. And he of all people knows what's ok and what is not. Even Joel Comm, and others who know Adsense inside out. Any ways, it's been this way for years since I've been with them and never had a problem. I have revealed my earnings, its clear as day on my adsense igniter website $30K+ earnings in 2 weeks. |
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Kay, if and when I see proof of this, I will do whatever is allowed. I am starting to sound like a scratched record on this and I don't want this thread to become a debate on what google allows and doesn't allow. I understand people's desire to see everything but I can only operate within the rules and I can't get bogged down in the semantics of google's TOS. This is a tough challenge and I have already stated that I am around 10% of the way to reaching my targets
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Can you provide us with some links to John ledger's and Joel Comm's individual sites earnings please Loz?
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this one; Make money with Google AdSense with Joel Comm's free book is as good as any...I guess...........
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Steve - Wasn't arguing as I fully agree with sticking to the letter of the TOS - anything less is foolish. I'm enjoying your blog, by the way. kay |
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Hi Paul, as far as I can see the screenshot on Joels' site shows gross earnings and not earnings for one site which is exactly right according to the Adsense TOS. There is a fundamental difference here.
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sorry mate, you'll have to run a search for them yourself, I'm not sure of the exact location of the url... it'll take me approx 20 minutes or so to wade through his posts - Jon's got heaps there... and I'm kinda tied up right now bud on a few projects... |
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No worries Kay, I know you are not arguing and if nothing else maybe a new debate should start on another thread about the ins and outs of google's TOS. Far to many people are losing their accounts because of not taking enough care with the rules. |
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| Hi Stephen, You’ve inspired me to take massive action!! Thank you so much for the contribution you have made to the online community! I have a question, I have spent a day and half looking for a niche following your instructions and the best one I have found has the following stats Average CPC: $8.07 842,000 google results 5400 approx searches content would be fairly easy to deliver With these figures in mind, would it be a good niche to use as my 3 month challenge? Thank you for your time, its much appreciated. |
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Go for it! It looks good, so long as you can find a lot of good related keywords and article ideas then it looks like a good one. However, just because I am stupid enough to try and do this in 3 months doesn't mean you have to. Ideally you should give yourself more time, 3 months is doable but its a real slog.
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I went to Webmaster Forum - Internet Marketing & Search Engine Forums and found a guy who can write many of my articles (using US terminology which is VERY different to here in Australia). Unlike Steve I have also looked in to other monetization options through affiliate programs so I have some of those in place also. I'm almost at the point where I can start posting articles. As you can see I'm not rushing things here... heck, I can't because I have limited time to spend on it with my day job and looking after my family. So don't stress yourself too much... it doesn't have to be done superquick. | |
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Spot on Julia, in fact it has just occurred to me that people following this thread might be thinking they have to do this in 3 months or they are failing. Wrong! I am attempting this just to see what is possible when you work hard at it, that is the challenge. Ideally, this should be something that you do as a progressive thing. This is a huge difference to procrastinating and putting things off, so long as you are taking a step forward every day or whenever you have time then you will succeed. It might be your goal is $5, $10, $20, $100 or maybe even a $1000 a day, the point is, it is the steps and the action that are the important components here and not how quick you do it. It is all about planning and then taking action on that plan. So if your plan is to earn $20 a day from one blog or 2 blogs or maybe even 3 blogs then you can use the same steps, you just have to modify the plan accordingly.
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Hi Steve: Thanks for the post and best of luck. Please update us not only on the good (I am rooting for you) or the bad (let's hope none of that) but if you have to make any adjustments along the way. Have a fantastic Monday. |
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Thanks for letting us in on your journey. I'm learning a ton by reading all of the comments. I'm looking at your blog now. |
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Thanks Steve. I'm looking at it as a progressive thing. Initially I'd just like to see myself reaching adsense payout EVERY month which basically means earning $3 per day. Ultimately I'd like to earn at least $100 per day. I should be able to do that within 6-12 months with the blog I'm currently building because the niche has a MASSIVE average CPC (I've got a list of 55 long tail keywords with an average CPC over $28)... at that rate I'd probably only need 10-15 clicks per day to hit $100. Once I've reached that level I can duplicate the efforts with another blog to make it $200 a day and so on. Can you imagine having four or five blogs all earning at least $100 per day? That would be too cool!
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Hi Julia, please don't think I am trying to burst your bubble or anything because I really don't want to and your enthusiasm is fantastic. However I should point out that even those figures of $28 per click are impressive and they really are, the reality is that for content sites we never see anywhere near those sorts of payouts and especially after google take their cut as well. You should use the figure as an indicator of how lucrative the niche is and yours obviously is. That said you should get clicks between $1 to $2 with the occasional fluctuation either higher or lower than that.
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| *POP* <chuckle> Whatever, it really doesn't matter that much... Like I say, I'd be happy to just hit payout every month for now. Question though... what is a good CTR? 5%? 10%? 20%? What? Any idea at what point google would suspect foul play (like specifically asking people to click adsense) The site in my sig only has a CTR between 1-2% but then I notice a lot of the links are about winning things... but not necessarily electronics items so they only have limited relevance which could explain why people are not clicking them all that much.
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Anywhere around 10% is good in my opinion.
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but what is the site you are doing this with. I am doing the same thing. and u can see what i am doing. it is in my signature. u will be able to guess it.
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Hi Steve, Nice thread, wish you success. I understand your using bookmarkdemon for backlinks, from my research most bookmarking sites use the nofollow tag, doesn't this drastically reduce the effectiveness of bookmarkdemon. thanks. |
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Hi Anand, I have explained already that I want the results to be as natural as possible and I don't want the results skewed, otherwise the challenge is pointless. |
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First, in the content network, there are fewer of these higher paying ads simply because people who buy these expensive Adwords generally decide not to advertise in the content network. This is because they've been warned against doing so by certain experts. This means that out here we get $1-2 clicks while Google has the $28 clicks. Also, remember that typically you'll only see about 1/8 to 1/4 of what the advertiser pays. So if the Google Adwords tool shows $28 you're likely to get $4-6, if that. Another factor is that Google will serve you cheap ads at first and, if their stats show that your site is converting well for advertisers, they'll gradually increase the value of the ads served to your account and sites. The downside is that if you aren't converting you get smart priced. But, don't despair, you will get high dollar clicks from time to time. Occasionally a newbie to Adwords will pay too much for ads and will drive up the price per click. Sometimes a bidding war on a particular keyword will erupt. Basically it will vary but expect things to be on the low side for the most part and just be pleasantly surprised when you get a $20 click. | |
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So, let's say Steve does a new post on "Cruise Ship Deals in Monaco". It could be hours or days before Googlebot notices it when it re-spiders the site. If he does a bookmarking run, this time could be shortened to just a few minutes. Since it's new content from an active blog it will often be placed high in search results for a few days before dropping back. At that point, any dofollow links will kick in as the post seeks it's natural level in results. | |
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Started following this thread yesterday...Can't get enough...Great info!!!..Thanks sooo much!!!! Can anyone here direct me to a successful blog so I can get an idea what to look for? That would be a big help. Thanks a lot! Desperado. |
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Great info being discussed here. You are showing an exact plan. That is great.
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New to your web site and amazed with your thread - Many thanks
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Just read through the whole thread. Just had to post to say thanks. This is a great step by step system. |
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thanks bgmacaw good to know google still follows nofollow for indexing |
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I can just barely wait for your next post. This is interesting stuff to the extreme. Your get an A+.
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Thanks for this series and doing the The $100 a day Adsense Challenge blog. I just noticed it today and will be following you closely here and on the blog. |
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I know that you aren't going to reveal the domain of your blog, but can you give us details on your Adsense layout? Just curious where on the page you've placed your Adsense blocks, which block sizes you used, link colors blended or contrasting etc. I'm very interested to see how this turns out. Thanks so much for posting this experiment.
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Hey Steve, The most interesting part of this challenge for me is to not only see if you get to $100 but to see how much you make at the early stages etc. I know you can't reveal clicks and CPC etc but maybe you can show us some averages per 100 visitors or something? For every article you acquire does it go on both the site and directories or one or the other? I would use them on both but make sure the directories are indexed with it first because they have more PR love and would get more traffic. Also, I understand you're now making money with it, but is it consistent? Thanks, Louis |
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has anyone really seen an increase in earnings because of section targeting
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Thanks BG, you have helped me here. I checked the average CPC for the keywords in the site in my sig file and the average CPC is $1.59. Your calculation of 1/8 - 1/4 is correct because I average $0.30 per click. I get the occasional click that is $1.50-$2 Anyway, if I can get $1 a click with a 5% CTR then I'd be very happy. Even with only 100 daily visitors that would average $5 a day. More than enough to get paid each month. Ultimately I'd love to earn $100 a day but I know that it will take time to build traffic to that level.
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