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15 years ago

I would probably stay away from all the public blog networks right now google's taking them down one by one it's only a matter of time.

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alfiecat

15 years ago

Thanks! I was thinking that would be the case. Are there any other alternative methods of link building which can compare to networks in terms of results and ease of use?

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febbelli

15 years ago

I had fantastic results using blog networks to rank low-med comp keywords. I canceled my subscriptions around a month ago when I heard that public blog networks were going down. I haven't found anything as cost effective and quick as blog networks to rank my sites over the last month. I have been trying to find something similar as well. Hopefully a seasoned member will chime in and can give us an alternative..

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quercus5 15 years ago

I'd stay away too. I'm a member of a very similar site, Linkamotion. Sticking with it until Google knocks it out, but I know its coming soon.
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Boricua

14 years ago

Originally Posted by febbelli

I had fantastic results using blog networks to rank low-med comp keywords. I canceled my subscriptions around a month ago when I heard that public blog networks were going down. I haven't found anything as cost effective and quick as blog networks to rank my sites over the last month. I have been trying to find something similar as well. Hopefully a seasoned member will chime in and can give us an alternative..

Build your own network and don't let ANYONE in it

I'm doing it, just constant adapting..works quite nicely.

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IM nice guy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Last time I checked the additional services it turns out to be heavily over priced for each item.

Now I have to say that price is not always a big issue, but it is when it's producing links at PR n/a pages.

Saying things like LinkVana has much more to offer also makes zero sense cause people only sign up for that service CAUSE of the blog network of high PR domains. Which doesn't seem to be much worth anymore since almost a year already.

I disagree, people sign up for the quality of the service (not just the blog network) and the fact that it gets results, plain and simple. For example, I'd much prefer use linkvana for both my SEO clients, and my own sites, though it may be a little more expensive than the cheapest service out there. It's easy to use, fast, and it works, and everything is in one place, which Is one of the main perks in my opinion.

I literally spend about an hour setting up my SEO campaigns per month.

Originally Posted by Boricua

Build your own network and don't let ANYONE in it

I'm doing it, just constant adapting..works quite nicely.

Exactly, adapt and evolve, and having your own network is always ultra powerful.

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM nice guy

I disagree, people sign up for the quality of the service (not just the blog network) and the fact that it gets results, plain and simple. For example, I'd much prefer use linkvana for both my SEO clients, and my own sites

My respect for you sunk to -10 right now.

Using a public blog network like LinkVana for SEO CLIENTS???

EDIT: I was reading blind indeed.

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IM nice guy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

My respect for you sunk to -10 right now.

Using a public blog network like LinkVana for SEO CLIENTS???

EDIT: I was reading blind indeed.

And I care about your respect for me? :confused:

I get results for my clients, and improve there bottom line, that's all I (and they) care about.

I get the job done.

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM nice guy

And I care about your respect for me? :confused:

I get results for my clients, and improve there bottom line, that's all I (and they) care about.

I get the job done.

Get the job done with a network that is targeted by Google 24/7.

Wow you must be so proud of yourself to bring your clients in such big risk.

Unbelievable.

Oh wait now I understand why all the larger companies / authorities tell people to avoid the warrior forum for SEO services, not only cause of the SenukeX and Fiverr resellers, but also for people who still dare to use public blog networks for their clients after the huge fiasco.

Hey you should make friends with Maulana, perhaps you can start a link exchange with him LOL

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IM nice guy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Get the job done with a network that is targeted by Google 24/7.

Wow you must be so proud of yourself to bring your clients in such big risk.

Unbelievable.

Oh wait now I understand why all the larger companies / authorities tell people to avoid the warrior forum for SEO services, not only cause of the SenukeX and Fiverr resellers, but also for people who still dare to use public blog networks for their clients after the huge fiasco.

Hey you should make friends with Maulana, perhaps you can start a link exchange with him LOL

That's the problem with assumptions. Have you actually used LV recently (in the last few months) do you know how it works?

It's not possible for Google or anyone else to penalize the majority of the links used in LV.

Good luck to you buddy. Assumptions make an ASS out of U and ME

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nik0 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM nice guy

It's not possible for Google or anyone else to penalize the majority of the links used in LV.

Uhu, they said that from ALN as well, and they only had user submitted sites and thus all on different IP's, themes and styles.

I can also read that they now divide it into segments and that not everyone can post on all the sites same like before, but if Google wants they only have to find 1 person in each segment and they wipe the whole network of the map.

It's not about how it happens, it's when it happens.

Anyway this are your clients, not mine!
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PerformanceMan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM nice guy

That's the problem with assumptions. Have you actually used LV recently (in the last few months) do you know how it works?

It's not possible for Google or anyone else to penalize the majority of the links used in LV.

Good luck to you buddy. Assumptions make an ASS out of U and ME

Hopefully you have your clients sign a waiver that they understand the risks.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM nice guy

And I care about your respect for me? :confused:

I get results for my clients, and improve there bottom line, that's all I (and they) care about.

I get the job done.

Sorry, but unless your clients tell you that they are ok with their site getting deindexed or penalized because they are using a churn and burn business plan, it is completely irresponsible to use a public network like Linkvana on their sites.

Please do not tell me it is impossible for Google to find the network. Give me one site in the network and I bet I can unravel 75% of it. It's not hard and I have nowhere near the resources Google does.

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IM nice guy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Sorry, but unless your clients tell you that they are ok with their site getting deindexed or penalized because they are using a churn and burn business plan, it is completely irresponsible to use a public network like Linkvana on their sites.

Please do not tell me it is impossible for Google to find the network. Give me one site in the network and I bet I can unravel 75% of it. It's not hard and I have nowhere near the resources Google does.

Okay, 1 site I'll give you - squidoo.com

are you guys getting my point? Do you understand that links coming from authority sites, and sites that are NOT owned by Linkvana really don't have much chance of ALL being found and discounted or penalized?

EDIT: sorry, above I had written "sites that are NOT owned by Google" obviously I meant to say Linkvana, not Google. My bad.

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PerformanceMan 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Boricua

Build your own network and don't let ANYONE in it

I'm doing it, just constant adapting..works quite nicely.

I've been doing that since 2006. If I hadn't been, things would have gotten bad in the last few years
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NXmarketeer

15 years ago

I would not invest in ANY blog network right now. Try something else man! Google deindexes everything day by day.

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15 years ago

I have had no trouble with linkvana, but this latest google fiasco has troubled me. I think I am going to cancel my sub after this month. What have other customers thought?

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cbpayne

15 years ago

I just checked ~20 posts I had in Linkvana that showed up in my google alerts for my keywords. They were all deindexed ... so Linkvana have been affected as well. Paid good money for those as well ....

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mosthost

15 years ago

Google has gotten VERY effective at deindexing websites.

Steer clear of blog networks.

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ThatAblaze

15 years ago

It's all a risk. Most of the people here have no idea what Big G will do next. The only ones that do already work for G and will say anything they can to keep you scared. The only people that will tell you that linkvana will be around tomorrow are the owners of linkvana.

That's not to say that it won't be around, but think of it this way: If you're paying that $150/mo what you are really paying for, in the long run, is that little bit of permanent boost from each article that will stick around for years. That's what adds up.

Would you buy a ticket on a bus if the deal was "We'll try to get you there, but there's someone gunning for our company right now, and it might be shut down at any moment. If we get shut down we'll leave you back at the start and maybe refund any unused portion of your ticket." I mean, that's a heck of a gamble.

Personally, I would only do it if $150/mo means nothing to me.

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BillyPilgrim 15 years ago

If this many people know about ANY blog network it's a goner. I outsource to one but it's all hush hush. If you can afford the buck fiddy a month best to start your own with different providers, etc. Don and Jeremy had a great course on this.
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CourageIncorporated

15 years ago

I have an SEO friend who's still recommending LinkVana, but I agree -- everything just changes so fast.

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OmarNegron

15 years ago

After what happened to BMR, i would stay away from LV. I mean...I don't see why they couldn't get hit the same way as well.

I would probably focus on other link building methods. These blog networks seem to come and go..

-Omar

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cbpayne 15 years ago

Originally Posted by OmarNegron

i would stay away from LV. I mean...I don't see why they couldn't get hit the same way as well

They have been hit!
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WebPen

15 years ago

Don't do it-

I think Google went after BMR first because it was the most powerful public blog network.

Now that it's out of the way, others like Linkvana will be next.

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cbpayne 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Justin Stowe

Now that it's out of the way, others like Linkvana will be next.

Nope; Linkvana has been loosing blogs for months now!
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samual james

15 years ago

I am surprised !
we very well know that blog networks are de-indexed by search engines and you are talking such kind of risk, its not advisable thing to do

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scottmacair 15 years ago

Way too risky in the current climate. Using blog networks like Linkvana & ALN is just asking for trouble. To be honest i'm surprised they have not been hit with the big deindixing hammer yet.

The trouble with PBN links is that when google busts the network they just know all the links on the network point to sites that are engaging in link building. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't send out a mass Unnatural Links Detected Penalty to any site linked to from the network.

At least with a web 2, the links could be viewed as natural but the same cannot be said of PBN links.
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bitdoze

15 years ago

I don't think blogs networks are a good idea after the latest Google updates, I have done a case study with Linkvana, more can be found on bitdoze.com

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Hthomas

15 years ago

Well There is no doubt Linkvana worked well. I used it for two of my clients and produced awesome results in limited time period. In-Fact those were long term results...

Basically its not yet clear that is Google going to down all blog networks or just those who are not using correct content...

Last week I read an article in which he said, "Google wants concrete content on blogs". which means we should go with unique content as much as we can...

Anyhow I'm still waiting for clear announcement from google.. just like one clear announce from Cutts was, "Google will down all websites which are overly optimize".

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cbpayne

15 years ago

I just checked 25 more links to my sites from Linkvana as identified via Open Site Explorer. Every single on of them was from a Linkvana blog that was deindexed.

I know 25 is a small sample, but its 100% (ALN probably only had a 75% deindex rate)

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thedog

15 years ago

What about just targeting your backlinks with linkvana, ie, your web 2.0 properties.

I'm using an SEO service that has access to it, but I'm just wondering, is there any risk to my main site... if I target my 2nd tier sites?

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BackLinkiT

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thedog

What about just targeting your backlinks with linkvana, ie, your web 2.0 properties.

I'm using an SEO service that has access to it, but I'm just wondering, is there any risk to my main site... if I target my 2nd tier sites?

no risk perhaps but no benefit either from a deindexed domain.

OP you are jumping out of the frying pan into the fire matey. forget it!

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IM Ash

14 years ago

Sorry, for pulling up this old thread but I was wondering whether Linvana is has survived? I see they overhauled their system by including a diverse type of links including social and web2.0's. Any members care to share their experience?

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cbpayne

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Ash

Sorry, for pulling up this old thread but I was wondering whether Linvana is has survived? I see they overhauled their system by including a diverse type of links including social and web2.0's. Any members care to share their experience?

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Assume that this will get deleted as someone started a thread asking about Linkvana a month or so ago and it mysteriously got deleted after I posted it was affected!!!!

Linkvana was affected like any other blog network. All the posts that I had in the linkvana network that I could identify via Google alerts ended up being deindexed.

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greatestmj

14 years ago

Stay away from all public blog networks.

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IM nice guy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by greatestmj

Stay away from all public blog networks.

Totally unfounded comment, LV still does fine, and it's not just a "blog network", it provides all types of backlinks, high PR, etc

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cbpayne

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM nice guy

Totally unfounded comment, LV still does fine, and it's not just a "blog network", it provides all types of backlinks, high PR, etc

Care to explain why ALL of the backlinks that I could find I got from linkvana to my sites (links initially detected via Google alerts) are all now on deindexed sites?

As I said above:

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Assume that this will get deleted as someone started a thread asking about Linkvana a month or so ago and it mysteriously got deleted after I posted it was affected!!!!

Linkvana was affected like any other blog network. All the posts that I had in the linkvana network that I could identify via Google alerts ended up being deindexed.

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IM nice guy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Care to explain why ALL of the backlinks that I could find I got from linkvana to my sites (links initially detected via Google alerts) are all now on deindexed sites?

As I said above:

You shouldn't just use (or maybe not at all) the private network part of LV, which is now less than about 5% of what they offer in to members...

If you got all your links from a private network of sites, and didn't diversify, then I hate to say it, but you pretty much asked for it.

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cbpayne

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM nice guy

You shouldn't just use (or maybe not at all) the private network part of LV, which is now less than about 5% of what they offer in to members...

If you got all your links from a private network of sites, and didn't diversify, then I hate to say it, but you pretty much asked for it.

What nonsense! How is it my fault that Linkvana's network got deindexed?

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IM nice guy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cbpayne

What nonsense! How is it my fault that Linkvana's network got deindexed?

You weren't to know, but it was always a good idea to diversify link types, sources, domains, and IPs.

I screwed up with some of my sites on this too, not trying to sound arrogant

Just don't want people to get the wrong impression of LV without seeing what it's like NOW.

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM nice guy

You weren't to know, but it was always a good idea to diversify link types, sources, domains, and IPs.

I screwed up with some of my sites on this too, not trying to sound arrogant

Just don't want people to get the wrong impression of LV without seeing what it's like NOW.

Last time I checked the additional services it turns out to be heavily over priced for each item.

Now I have to say that price is not always a big issue, but it is when it's producing links at PR n/a pages.

Saying things like LinkVana has much more to offer also makes zero sense cause people only sign up for that service CAUSE of the blog network of high PR domains. Which doesn't seem to be much worth anymore since almost a year already.

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MikeFriedman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM nice guy

Totally unfounded comment, LV still does fine, and it's not just a "blog network", it provides all types of backlinks, high PR, etc

Yeah anyhow says the guy selling Linkvana in his signature. :rolleyes:
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14 years ago

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14 years ago

I would be very careful about using public blog networks at this moment in time.

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smodha

14 years ago

Yep, stay below the private blog radar. Google's "Panda Cub" (I just made that up) is targeting private networks.

I seem to remember Cutts tweeting about it.

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IM nice guy 14 years ago

Originally Posted by smodha

Yep, stay below the private blog radar. Google's "Panda Cub" (I just made that up) is targeting private networks.

I seem to remember Cutts tweeting about it.

Again, LV is not really a private network anymore. Most of the links you get as part of the membership are NOT on linkvana owned domains.
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markwilson4074

14 years ago

Linkvana and similar networks are now fully exposed, so the results are not as good as they used to be.
It keeps on changing on frequent basis, so link diversity is the ultimate solution for better results.

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KingRoyal

14 years ago

I tried LV, I did not like it, the backend is pretty crappy for the price you pay. I use Linkauthority and have gotten great results from that.

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IM nice guy 14 years ago

Originally Posted by KingMighty

I tried LV, I did not like it, the backend is pretty crappy for the price you pay. I use Linkauthority and have gotten great results from that.

When did you try it? I hardly think it's crappy. See the inside members area here, in a video I made last week: Linkvana Video Review and Special Preview Offer | LinkVana Indepth Review
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smodha

14 years ago

Uh oh, somebody's unleashed the Ewoks in this thread...

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smodha

14 years ago

@ IM Guy - something you can do to resolve a dispute like this is to post a case study. Give us proof that the methods/strategies work.

Just my 2 cents...

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MikeFriedman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by smodha

@ IM Guy - something you can do to resolve a dispute like this is to post a case study. Give us proof that the methods/strategies work.

Just my 2 cents...

Nobody needs to post a case study.

The argument has nothing to do with whether or not LinkVana works.
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