Keyword selection for local offline

by btyiw
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When selecting a keyword for local offline niches, what am I exactly looking for? Low competition, low PR strength and competition strength? I want to easily rank in the first page with minimal amounts of SEO work so what is the criteria that I'm looking for?
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  • Profile picture of the author stackcash
    You're not going to find a lot of search volume data or CPC data for localized keywords (plumbers in new york, new york). You will need to analyze your competition and decide if it's worth it to try and outrank them. You will want to analyze their back link profile as well as the number of citations that they have.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    You are looking for traffic. In local SEO, it is probably fairly low traffic compared to IM niches.

    I only look at the competition to figure out what it is going to take to beat them, not to pick a keyword or not.

    I take all keywords that have traffic. Depending on the type of business, I will sometimes take search queries that only have 10-12 searches a month. Really depends on what the business stands to make on it. If it is a pizza shop that might sell 1 extra pizza every 2 months, I wouldn't do that. If it is a real estate agent that could sell an extra house or two every few months, I will absolutely go after keywords with that low of search volume.

    It is far different from what most IM'ers do when they are looking for easy to rank for keywords.

    Generally though, in local SEO most keywords are fairly easy unless you are competing for something like "Restaurants in New York City".
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  • Profile picture of the author btyiw
    I'm using a keyword analyzer and I'm targeting certain niches that are returning very low in competition, pr and competition strength but at the same time taking in 100-400 search queries a month. What do you guys think?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by btyiw View Post

      I'm using a keyword analyzer and I'm targeting certain niches that are returning very low in competition, pr and competition strength but at the same time taking in 100-400 search queries a month. What do you guys think?
      There is no keyword analyzer out there that does a good job at analyzing competition. You need to investigate it a little further.

      And if it happens to be one pulling the competition data from the Google Keyword Tool, that has nothing to do with SEO. That has to do with the competition among AdWords advertisers.
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      • Profile picture of the author btyiw
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        There is no keyword analyzer out there that does a good job at analyzing competition. You need to investigate it a little further.

        And if it happens to be one pulling the competition data from the Google Keyword Tool, that has nothing to do with SEO. That has to do with the competition among AdWords advertisers.
        Makes a lot of sense. Would Stealth Keyword Competition Analyzer fall into this category?
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by btyiw View Post

          Makes a lot of sense. Would Stealth Keyword Competition Analyzer fall into this category?
          Never heard of it.

          Usually, if they rank the competition by High, Medium, Low, they are just pulling the data from the Google Keyword Tool. For SEO that information is useless.

          If the program doesn't at a minimum pull the backlinks of the top 3 sites in the SERP, analyze the anchor text used, PR of the page linking to the sites, and give you the number of outgoing backlinks on the page linking to the sites, it is useless for analyzing the strength of the competition.
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          • Profile picture of the author btyiw
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Never heard of it.

            Usually, if they rank the competition by High, Medium, Low, they are just pulling the data from the Google Keyword Tool. For SEO that information is useless.

            If the program doesn't at a minimum pull the backlinks of the top 3 sites in the SERP, analyze the anchor text used, PR of the page linking to the sites, and give you the number of outgoing backlinks on the page linking to the sites, it is useless for analyzing the strength of the competition.
            Can you recommend a tool(s) that can pull all that information?
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by btyiw View Post

              Can you recommend a tool(s) that can pull all that information?
              SEO SpyGlass works well.
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          • Profile picture of the author xbluelinks
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Usually, if they rank the competition by High, Medium, Low, they are just pulling the data from the Google Keyword Tool. For SEO that information is useless.
            For local monetization, I always find the SEO competition for local keywords very useful. They help me to select keywords for the local market.

            The SEO competition is an indicator of the amount you can monetize your site and who your advertisers will be. When you approach potential, you just have to show them the math.

            E.g. CPC $X, Advertisement on my site $Y + Exposure. $Y < $X etc.

            I like advertisers who have some Google Adwords experience better because they have a more realistic expectation of their cost per acquisition. Hence they are easier to sell to.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanSEOGears
    When it comes to Local search results any keyword selection tool out there is going to give you skewed data as just about all of them pull from the Adwords Keyword tool.

    I've done hundreds of campaigns for local businesses and if you follow a few simple rules you'll do just fine on local search.
    1) Put your base keyword phrase into your keyword research program for example just the word "plumber" instead of "plumber new york"(I prefer to just use the Google Keywords Tool set to exact match). If you get at least 1000 results more than likely you have a winner in your local area.

    2) You can also check your city in the keyword tool, but keep in mind if you are in a city that could be in lots of different states, add in the abbreviation for your state (plumber glendale az). If you show any search volume when you add in the city you'll do well. Keep in mind that since this tool is meant to be used with Adwords you won't see any local terms appearing unless someone has been running an Adwords campaign improperly and targeting the city in their adsense keyword instead of targeting the keyword and then a city using the Campaign tools.

    3) If you are still doubtful about whether or not there is search volume for the phrase, put the whole phrase (plumber glendale az) into Google and see if you get Places results. Google will normally only show the places results if people are actively searching for a phrase so it's a great confirmation that you've got a good keyword phrase.

    4) For checking competition locally, I prefer to just search the phrase in Google using allintitle exact match. So you'd type the following: allintitle:"plumber glendale az" and check the amount of results. If you're seeing around 3000 or less you should be able to get decent first page results within a few months.

    Keep in mind that unless you are in a huge city and a very popular industry you're not going to get 10's of thousands of visits a month, but even if you are able to get an extra 200-400 visitors a month, with only a 2% conversion rate you're getting an extra 4-8 customers per month which for most businesses is well worth the effort.

    I know the post was a bit verbose but this is something that I cover with most of our new employees when training them in keyword research as we work with lots of small local companies.
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  • Profile picture of the author btyiw
    For exact match domain names, would it be useful to use a word like "in" within the domain?

    Example, plumber in ny -> plumberinny.com

    I have a local keyword match that brings in 4,000 monthly search queries but it includes the word "in" so would it be smart to target this as an exact match domain?
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    • Profile picture of the author speedbird
      Originally Posted by btyiw View Post

      For exact match domain names, would it be useful to use a word like "in" within the domain?

      Example, plumber in ny -> plumberinny.com

      I have a local keyword match that brings in 4,000 monthly search queries but it includes the word "in" so would it be smart to target this as an exact match domain?
      Yes, go ahead and include the word 'in'..the Search Engines normally overlook this kind of words.
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