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All You PAGE RANK EXPERTS! How the Heck...

by Rus Sells
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Did this domain of mine that I've done absolutely zero promotion of get a PR5 award!
Close Anyone & Stop Hanging Paper

Any one care to take a stab at seeing if they can figure this one out? I can't!

Thanks!
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    info:closeanyone.com

    topalarmsystem.com
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      info:closeanyone.com

      topalarmsystem.com
      Yeah, you bought a domain with fake PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author SlfMastery
    Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

    Did this domain of mine that I've done absolutely zero promotion of get a PR5 award!
    Close Anyone & Stop Hanging Paper

    Any one care to take a stab at seeing if they can figure this one out? I can't!

    Thanks!
    Russ:

    You stud you A PR 5 it shows. I show only 5 Facebook Likes, a 2 year old domain, some internal links, and 24 Google Indexed pages. Hmmmmmmm.

    Did you buy this domain used?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Yeah, you bought a domain with fake PR.
      Wrong, this domain was never registered until I registered it.

      Internet Archive Wayback Machine

      Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

      Russ:

      You stud you A PR 5 it shows. I show only 5 Facebook Likes, a 2 year old domain, some internal links, and 24 Google Indexed pages. Hmmmmmmm.

      Did you buy this domain used?
      Not used, see above archive.org link.

      See what I mean? How can this be with pretty much zero content and no back links to speak of, ever. As a matter of fact I don't even know how it got the back links it does show.

      The site is pretty much a project I put on hold and haven't done anything with it for over a year.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

        Wrong, this domain was never registered until I registered it.
        Russ they are not wrong. A faked domain is the name for a site that has been redirected (fake is not a good word for it though). The google search they are pointing you to directly confirms there was a redirect on this sites

        https://www.google.com/search?q=info...hrome&ie=UTF-8

        Notice the name being searched does NOT match the result given. Thats the tell tale sign of a redirect in the past.

        Lack of archive records does not prove this. the wayback machine is nowhere near complete


        As a matter of fact I don't even know how it got the back links it does show.

        The site is pretty much a project I put on hold and haven't done anything with it for over a year.
        You have a few PR2s from WSOs but besides that the links that made it show PR5 are all gone. However This may be yet another case of something I am seeing over and over again. Google is not updating PR the way we thought they were. I am seeing domains that have no links still showing Pagerank in the tool bar AFTER AN UPDATE that they most definitely do not have anymore.

        I at first thought these were just mistakes but I have now seen in the last update so much of this that I think its partially deliberate ( as in just not bothering because it does not suit them). Google frankly wishes they never got people onto Pagerank to begin with (because it has done them more harm than good - its been the basis of so much they don't want)
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

        Wrong, this domain was never registered until I registered it.

        Internet Archive Wayback Machine

        Not used, see above archive.org link.

        See what I mean? How can this be with pretty much zero content and no back links to speak of, ever. As a matter of fact I don't even know how it got the back links it does show.

        The site is pretty much a project I put on hold and haven't done anything with it for over a year.

        Well someone was clearly redirecting it at some point. Or at least Google thinks so. The info: check shows that. That is why the PR is showing that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Well someone was clearly redirecting it at some point. Or at least Google thinks so. The info: check shows that. That is why the PR is showing that.
          Well the interesting thing is that Rus has owned that domain from 2010.

          Russ has this domain always shown PR5 or is it only after recent updates?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Incidentally I checked up on it for you. Domain was owned in 2009 by a guy in Ohio before you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Again,

    info:closeanyone.com

    topalarmsystem.com

    And I have to agree with Mike Anthony: took off some redirects just after the last PR update, the "new" domains are still both PR3 even though there are exactly 0 links going to them. Probably just taking them forever to update. The info: thing normally disappears after about 7-10 days though - all of mine did recently and it was a pretty big batch of domains.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      . Probably just taking them forever to update. The info: thing normally disappears after about 7-10 days though - all of mine did recently and it was a pretty big batch of domains.
      Or they don't care a rip about PR updates and are quite happy if they show one Pr publicly and use another entirely different number internally. Guy has had this domain from 2010. Provided they are not associated why ever do a redirect?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    Guy has had this domain from 2010. Provided they are not associated why ever do a redirect?
    This I can't answer without more infos, lol.

    I mean look at Google cache for closeanyone.com - bleh.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post


      I mean look at Google cache for closeanyone.com - bleh.
      Well thats interesting. LOL. Either Rus is playing with us or google is playing.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      I mean look at Google cache for closeanyone.com - bleh.
      That redirected cache is interesting.

      I find it hard to believe a framed page would cause a redirect, which there's no proof the framed page was the cause of the redirect.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    OK, see I'm glad I posted this here.

    When I bought the domain it started as a PR N/A. I haven't ever bothered or cared about PR.

    Now the funny thing is, I just remembered. I created a plugin for wordpress that iframes pages and or posts and the home page. I used the site to demo the plugin and that's why we see that topalarmsystem site. I used that site as a demonstration.

    So is Google passing PR from the iframe? Is that even possible?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post


      So is Google passing PR from the iframe? Is that even possible?
      It's not passing the PR in the sense that your site is now a PR 5. It is more a glitch of the PR toolbar. Because of the iframe, it is reading the PR of the other site and reporting that.

      It will sort itself out eventually, and if not, definitely in the next PR update.
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    • Profile picture of the author StarrManUK
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      OK, see I'm glad I posted this here.

      When I bought the domain it started as a PR N/A. I haven't ever bothered or cared about PR.

      Now the funny thing is, I just remembered. I created a plugin for wordpress that iframes pages and or posts and the home page. I used the site to demo the plugin and that's why we see that topalarmsystem site. I used that site as a demonstration.

      So is Google passing PR from the iframe? Is that even possible?
      Every site you register will start off as PR of N/A.

      Then within a few days after being indexed it will change to PR0 or higher in your case because of what the previous owner did.
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  • Profile picture of the author limestone614
    It does happen though, unexpected Pagerank increases, this site:

    digitalmarketingagencys.com (No affiliate links etc)

    I built it about a year ago, blasted the death out of it using SENuke, watched it die, then switched off the DNS server. I only ran it for about 90 days as an experiment on SENuke.

    I came back to it last week, reset the DNS and low and behold - a PR5.

    There is no re-direct, I registered the domain myself, the only thing I can think of is it's the landing page it was potentially "parked" on, however I think it simply went to a blank page.

    Not sure - one of the mysteries of Google.....

    Nice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post


      Not sure - one of the mysteries of Google.....

      Nice.
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      Things is it would be nice if toolbar Pr mattered but the site doesn't have PR5 juice anymore. Its another indication of what I was talking about before of the tool bar updates not being truly up to date. By the way the juice you do have left isn't from senuke. Its from blogroll links.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        What blogroll links? External? I didn't like out to anywhere if that's what you are referring too.

        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

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        Things is it would be nice if toolbar Pr mattered but the site doesn't have PR5 juice anymore. Its another indication of what I was talking about before of the tool bar updates not being truly up to date. By the way the juice you do have left isn't from senuke. Its from blogroll links.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post

          It does happen though, unexpected Pagerank increases, this site:

          digitalmarketingagencys.com (No affiliate links etc)

          I built it about a year ago, blasted the death out of it using SENuke, watched it die, then switched off the DNS server. I only ran it for about 90 days as an experiment on SENuke.
          Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

          What blogroll links? External? I didn't like out to anywhere if that's what you are referring too.
          I think he was referring to this post Rus, not your site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Thats correct Mike. Sorry for any confusion
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      • Profile picture of the author limestone614
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

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        Things is it would be nice if toolbar Pr mattered but the site doesn't have PR5 juice anymore. Its another indication of what I was talking about before of the tool bar updates not being truly up to date. By the way the juice you do have left isn't from senuke. Its from blogroll links.
        Agreed, relevance is the key thing, not pagerank, but I'm not complaining.

        However, Pagerank matters if you want to sell links, how many links could I flog on that page? 100? 200?

        $5/month each?

        Guest posts?
        Wow, even the domain name's not too bad.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post

          Agreed, relevance is the key thing, not pagerank, but I'm not complaining.

          However, Pagerank matters if you want to sell links, how many links could I flog on that page? 100? 200?

          $5/month each?

          Guest posts?
          Wow, even the domain name's not too bad.
          Sorry my man but thats not what I meant. I mean that Pagerank showing in the tool bar is not the pagerank that Google uses to rank sites. So yeah some usnsuspecting person may buy links on that but based on what is showing now in your backlink checks the ranking power pagerank (real PR) is no longer on that site and no one experienced would be buying links on it for that reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarksWineClub
    If it doesn't make sense, it is pretty much always a redirect these days!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Not sure why people are saying redirect. The site wasn't ever redirected, it was iframing content though.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      Not sure why people are saying redirect. The site wasn't ever redirected, it was iframing content though.
      Because an iframe is like a window looking at another web page. Your Cache is completely redirected, which are different things.

      If framing an external webpage creates a complete redirect in Google (I doubt that's possible) then it's Google screwing up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      Not sure why people are saying redirect. The site wasn't ever redirected, it was iframing content though.
      I am not sure you understood what we were telling you about the info:yoursite.com search. Theres no question it was redirected. How is another matter but when you see that kind of result it means Google sees and was acknowledging a redirect.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Because an iframe is like a window looking at another web page. Your Cache is completely redirected, which are different things.

        If framing an external webpage creates a complete redirect in Google (I doubt that's possible) then it's Google screwing up.
        ^^this has got me wondering... let's test it and see what happens.
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    Interesting. Good read!
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  • Profile picture of the author BenWesty
    Don't want to hijack this thread or anything, but I have a question that I need answered and I figure this is a good place to ask.

    I bought one of those fiverr gigs to have a contextual article with backlink to site from a PR7 Blog. The blog was PR7, but I can't figure out why. It had ONE backlink, and that was from a PR2 site.

    I did the info:sitename thing, and no site is redirecting to it. The whole thing is starting to make me feel that PR is actually pointless.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by BenWesty View Post

      I did the info:sitename thing, and no site is redirecting to it. The whole thing is starting to make me feel that PR is actually pointless.
      PR is far from pointless, but Google isn't giving us up-to-date data (probably for a good reason). Toolbar updates are lagging so much behind these days...

      The only way to really gauge page authority right now is to look at incoming backlinks, but that's not always an option (for instance before purchasing a blog post). PR is still a good measure of quality, but you have to think before buying. A strong PR7 blog post will cost you $50+ or about $500-$1000 for a lifetime homepage link.
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