Anyone who knows how to remedy this issue, please advise? Thanks in advance...

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Hello everyone,

I wanted to get some insight from the resident SEO experts out there with hopes you can lead me in the right direction to recovery.

Here's a brief scenario of my dilemma. I have been trying to rank my own personal site for a particular higher competition keyword for some time. In the recent months, I've noticed that it's been slowly climbing up, and as of earlier this month, it was slowly climibing up even further and ranked #32 (page 4) of Google for the keyword.

I have just been doing what I can in building links and making sure to space things out so it wouldn't look sketchy. I wasn't focusing on anything major other than paying for one or two tasks that would promote my site and build links on bookmarking sites such as Stumbleupon, Delicious, and so on. That actually was what started helping me climb up more and more to where I had reached page 4. So I would buy this task every month or so and the links were built slowly throughout a few days. Aside from that, I kept on regularly with an occasional post or two here or there, updating my site a bit, and so on.

Fast forward to my situation. Recently, I decided to buy another gig from Fiverr (yes, funny enough, the other task I mentioned above was from a Fiverr person who actually also helped me rank my Squidoo lens to page 1 of Google to which it remained for several months). I bought a different Fiverr gig from someone with an even better ranking and many more orders, who also did bookmarking gigs as well. I figured, I didn't want the same exact source doing every single gig and ironically, I tried someone else so Google wouldn't see the same link building from the same source.

Well, after that gig performed my bookmarking tasks, I waited a few days to see if it helped my site. Lo and behold, while my 1st Fiverr gig was doing well to help me climb up, it almost seems a bit too coincidental that after buying my 2nd person's Fiverr gig, that now, I've been ghosted and vanished to where I finally found myself today after putting quotes on the keyword search, I found myself in #434 with quotes (God only knows where that puts me then for a regular search without quotes for the keyword I was once ranking at #32 without quotes).

My thoughts are that this Fiverr gig may have done me in whereas the other one was doing well. This 2nd gig had offered a bit more bookmarking links than the first, but my main thing was that they were rated high and had well over a few thousand orders and another couple hundred.

So my questions are, with what I mentioned above, do you think I have a chance of even climbing out of the virtual ditch Google put me in? They haven't banished my site, but when I log into Webmaster Tools, there are no warning messages or anything either.

Should I just continue with going back to the first gig person I was working with that helped me climb up in rank? Should I change my website's content to a new keyword altogether and start trying to rank for it instead? Or should I send Google a Reconsideration Request regarding my site?

I don't want to cause any more problems on my site than may have been incurred, and I don't generally know the "Google Dance" to dance around for a couple of weeks or so which is where I've been so far. So I'm looking for the best options to try to get myself out of the ditch. Obviously, I was doing well in climbing my site so far, but given that I bought that 2nd Fiverr gig from someone else, that's where things seemed to go wrong after a few days of the gig's completion. Whether their gig had the impact or it was all coincidence, I'm trying to figure if there's a way to recover, or if I'm doomed to eternity below #500 or more on the Google Search engine?

Thanks in advance for all of your help.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    Just one question: is the site the one in your sig.?
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  • Profile picture of the author LloydMS
    I would never use a fiverr gig for link building to my money site. You simply have no control over what they are doing and it's so easy for them to do something that jacks your site. With that said, this could have nothing to do with that gig and just related to a change in algorithm or something else.

    Without knowing more details it's hard to give any real advice. But I will say that you are far better off trying to get one really good backlink then even hundreds of what are essentially worthless ones. And instead of trying to compete for a tough keyword, why not own right away several long tail versions of that keyword and then over time you'll gain more traction with the primary one.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by LloydMS View Post

      I would never use a fiverr gig for link building to my money site.
      If only people would listen. I've been saying that since the beginning of fiverr.

      I guarantee, I can do one thing in 60 seconds or less, something that's worth more
      than $5 bucks on fiver.

      So can you.

      Paul
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      If you were disappointed in your results today, lower your standards tomorrow.

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  • Profile picture of the author Genycis
    Ash, you would be correct with the signature question... the hip hop beats one is it. I was ranking for the keyword "hip hop beats for sale" and had been climbing up slowly with what I was doing the last several months and periodically updating the home page. It had climbed from a #95 place all the way up to #32 and probably would've kept on climbing up had I stuck with the first Fiverr gig that I had been buying every month or two.

    Lloyd, as far as the longer keywords, with my niche, there aren't many long tail keywords that work out too well that have decent traffic. Most of them that I did research for, especially with regards to "buying keywords" had at most, 100 Exact Match searches per month. I know many sites have a lot of options, but unfortunately with the hip hop beats niche, there aren't nearly as many options, this with having searched Google Adwords keyword tool and Market Samurai for several different variations. This was why I went after the "hip hop beats for sale" keyword instead.

    I'm wondering though if it's now best to just contact Google for a Reconsideration Request, or to see if it comes back up in the rankings again from below the #500's in the next few days, if I should keep trying to build more links little by little, or if I'm basically thrown to the wolves never to return no matter what I do to resurrect it back to life as a result of the 2nd person's gig that I probably shouldn't have purchased.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      Originally Posted by Genycis View Post

      Ash, you would be correct with the signature question... the hip hop beats one is it. I was ranking for the keyword "hip hop beats for sale" and had been climbing up slowly with what I was doing the last several months and periodically updating the home page. It had climbed from a #95 place all the way up to #32 and probably would've kept on climbing up had I stuck with the first Fiverr gig that I had been buying every month or two.
      Thanks for your answer! I was checking the backlink profile to that site earlier and it is really weak... there isn't much quality in there. I just want to focus on one particular link that was created from this property "www.exsmail.com".

      That site is a bookmarking site and it is pure poison. The site is full of pharma links and the way it is setup causes a duplication of links across the entire site. Right now there are hundreds of links showing up in ahrefs from that site to yours. That site is probably only good for negative seo.

      I don't usually advise people to use the disavow tool in GWT but in this case it will be a good idea to disavow those links from that site.

      You should also know that bookmarking links in general are poor quality... it is good to get a handful of them from the high PR bookmarking site for diversity but they should never form the core of your backlinking strategy. These link en-masse cause more harm then good.

      Also, do not trust feedback and the number of times a gig was sold on fiverr as a precursor for purchasing. SEO takes time and most people leave feedback straight after receiving their order which means they have not even experienced any positive/negative movement when leaving their review. When people see a popular gig they assume it has to be good and this causes a snowball effect where more and more people order the gig based on its popularity which actually enhances the perceived value one will receive. On the larger scale most of these gigs are worthless for SEO purposes.

      The site can return if you begin building quality links! Focus on things like guest posting on related blogs (PR3+), add social signals and get some retweets going, build a network of 20+ Web 2.0s with at least 2 unique articles on each one and build links to these properties (wikis, high pr blog comments and article directories work well - you can use fiverr for this). Also you should add a few supporting posts that target related keywords on your website and then link to your main page with the relevent anchors and/or LSI keywords.

      If you can: try and get some high PR backlinks (not domain PR) as well.

      You do not have to file a reconsideration request because the loss in rankings is purely algorithmic - Google can't help you in any way as there wasn't any form of manual action.
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  • Profile picture of the author housewarrior
    Hello Genycis,

    I was kinda hoping somebody would come back with the brilliant answer for you. Personally I think you're screwed, and I think you pretty well laid out the reasons why in your excellent post. Been there and done that big time and more than once!

    Used to be that the course you took to move up would have been a good thing. Well, a risky thing, but potentially good. The good old days stopped a couple of years ago.

    You pushed the envelope and got snake bit. Use this as a learning experience.

    In the meantime, I hope this is just some kinda temporary Google goof, and mebbe the sun will rise again as usual for you in a few days. It has happened.

    See, the problem is that there in no further dependence to be put into Google unless you're a whole lot smarter'n me. I suspect that there are wizzes on here who know tricks far beyond us mortals, but they aren't telling. Then again, maybe nobody can deal with Google, post Panda anymore with any certainty.

    Don't mean to be a wet blanket Genycis. The new SEOverse is what it is. That's why I have shucked most of my national and global IM and have gone back local where SEO still works every time it's tried and you don't need tricks to boost the performance.

    Good luck and I hope it comes back.

    El Norm

    PS... "contact Google for a Reconsideration Request" ... I wouldn't. On the other hand, if you do and they take you off the naughty list, I'd LOVE to know! No kidding. The reason is that as you say, you aren't de-indexed.... you're sandboxed....sent to the back of the line. I went to them when my site got sent to Pluto AFTER I took a saw and vacuum cleaner to it. See what I mean? Getting sent to the back isn't the same as getting completely run off.
    NM
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  • Profile picture of the author Genycis
    Thanks Norm for your input. So with what you said, one other question comes to mind: If I change up the home page and use a different keyword to target it if I had to, will that have its own potential of bringing it up in the rankings for that particular new keyword? Or is it safe to say that for as long as my site exists, Google will make sure to keep it in the graveyard?

    I know the SEOverse has changed substantially... but I figure there has to be some other way to try to get my site slowly ranking again, or if I should just send a reconsideration request and hope for the best with it. I'm not banished completely but where I sit now it definitely seems like it. LOL!

    Thanks for the input. Guess if I'm lost as you say, then it doesn't matter what I do given I'm completely not in their plans regardless of what. Good thing I wasn't relying on SEO to make sales, though it felt good for awhile to see that I was climbing up in the rankings. Lol. Still would like to do so if I can get the site up there.
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    • Profile picture of the author housewarrior
      Guess what? You're a smart guy. I can tell!

      Here's the deal. Google giveth and Google taketh away. Blessed be the name of ol Goog! Therefore, what I'm going to say is anecdotal evidence, which is all anyone can give you when dealing with those clowns. (There is no longer any lead pipe cinch Google SEO tricks that we can trust.)

      The good news is that if you're able to scrap that keyword and come again with something different, then your site can rise again. No doubt about it! You see, it's not the domain that has been sandboxed...jes the darn site. Change it, flush whatever there is that the poison Fiverr links are pointing to and you can resurrect the site. Be AGGRESSIVE in your pruning.

      See, dang it, that's the problem these days with what we do. Even if you do everything el perfecto then Google can still come back and blast you out of the saddle. And then many times they will let evil doers (in their bizzare eyes) get away with SEO murder. And then they'll reward totally upside down SEO'd sites with great page rank.

      The problem is that THERE IS NO Dependence to be put into their black hearts!

      But, were it my humble self and I wanted to straighten things out, I'd aggressively prune any tainted product and like you say, get me some new keywords and really make a mess over that trail that leads to your site. Knock out the bridge. Make it so ol Goog has to find a new way to the site to make a new determination. Stuff like that. Ha!

      Then, grit your teeth and be Mr. Clean Lean Marine with your SEO. (I hate that part the worst!)

      See, my prollem with the whole new white hat way is that if you try to do any decent manipulation like you did, then most likely you're going to get whacked. That being the case how in gosh's name do you put yourself ahead of the competition which used to be the fun of the whole thing, at least for me.

      I guess it's still being done. Well, I know it's being done and I know how I would do it if I wanted to. It's just no longer worth the trouble to me, threading the Panda needle and all. You used to get a lot more bang for the grey hat SEO buck. Nowadays it's strictly white hat...which means more work and less certainty of outcome. I hope you catch my drift. Don't mean to be a party pooper or a wet blanket.

      Like I preach it, that's why I came back to local where pages nearly SEO themselves. Ah, it's so peaceful I can hear the crickets two yards over a'chirpin'.
      Poet Norm

      Originally Posted by Genycis View Post

      If I change up the home page and use a different keyword to target it if I had to, will that have its own potential of bringing it up in the rankings for that particular new keyword? Or is it safe to say that for as long as my site exists, Google will make sure to keep it in the graveyard?

      Thanks for the input. .
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  • Profile picture of the author matthepburn
    OK, so I would suggest you actually put out some high quality articles that are relevant to your niche. You see the problem with just using bookmarks is that there is zero content and no relevance to your pages content you are trying to push up in the SERPS.

    Google will allow some of this, but they frown upon this if this is all you do. You need to have relevant content.

    Google loves content. I would strongly recommend you do not use any spun content in this recovery. Buy high quality content, I would suggest using Content Marketing Software | Writer Marketplace. They have really awesome content! It is a bit different then using something like The Content Authority where you are paying $10 -$15 for a 400 word article. Here you will pay between 3-5 cents per word. I would not use anything under 600 words per article.

    So try five articles and link back to relevant pages with relevant anchor text (your keyword).

    If you want to use the content again, make a Camtasia power point video that stresses the benefits of the video and then narrate it Make sure the video is made in a tip or journalistic manner, the same for the articles. (There should be ZERO) commercial intent in the content. Then upload the video to the top 100 video sharing sites.

    Strip a MP3 off the video and submit it to the top 50 podcast sites.

    When submitting the videos and a podcast, make sure to link back to your web page in the description of the videos and/or a podcast and any chance they give you without spamming.

    Then write a good press release on your business and what it offers in an announcement style press release. Go use a service like Prweb or Daniel Tan's MarketersMedia.com and get syndicated content to over 100+ sites with high page rank, and domain authority.

    Next go grab the urls from all of these backlinks. Submit them to linklicouse me, or better yet use Konrad Braun's RSS Assassin. This should help you get your backlinks indexed and cached in Google.

    If you want to add good social bookmarks that are diverse, head on over to socialadr.com.
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