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Google PageRank May Not Update Till Next Year

by alviataylor
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Wow, Never knew it was coming.....

Niels Bosch, Founder of AmongTech.com tweeted to Matt Cutts about the next PageRank update to which Matt Cutts replied, "I would be surprised if that happened."
Full Story: Google PageRank May Not Update Till 2014: Matt Cutts
Would anyone focus on PageRanks any more with this news I don't think there many things remain in increasing your PageRank
#confirms #dead #google #metricscutts #pagerank #retire #switch #till #update #year
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony

    Earlier this year Cutts hinted that because Internet Explorer will not show the PR toolbar, when it became more popular, Pagerank would go away. Since then IE 10 has become more popular. In this video he confirms again pagerank will be going away. With a twitter announcement by Cutts that another update this year would be surprising - to me its official

    Pagerank will be officially dead shortly

    Which leaves Moz and Majestic as the key future metrics provider for buying domains, links and evaluating the strength of sites. The good news is if you know what to look at they both can work well. I switched from PR several months ago and both replacements metrics are solid. You just need to know how they can be gamed (just like pagerank could be).

    If you have not learned about these metrics its time to read up and switch over and shout out to to developers - We need more tool that display these metrics and not just the almost dead PR.
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    • Profile picture of the author tdanz
      Personally I dont trust PR anymore anyways, because it is so easy to be manipulated. MOZ DA is a bit harder but still quite easy. a good quality indicator for me is how high the site actually ranks.
      Anyway happy that PR will be going away.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by tdanz View Post

        Personally I dont trust PR anymore anyways, because it is so easy to be manipulated. MOZ DA is a bit harder but still quite easy..
        The thing you have to do with Moz and Majestic is check the quantity of backlinks. Moz and citation flow are very susceptible to mass links. Once you adjust for that its much better

        a good quality indicator for me is how high the site actually ranks.
        Unfortunately thats not very reliable. A site can rank or not rank for a number of reasons and you would also have to research serps in scores of results to verify it was not in fact ranking for some term
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        • Profile picture of the author tdanz
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          The thing you have to do with Moz and Majestic is check the quantity of backlinks. Moz and citation flow are very susceptible to mass links. Once you adjust for that its much better
          For the quantity of links i just use ahrefs.com it also kind of shows when the links were built and social signals, also the anchor cloud is very useful there, when assessing the quality of a site.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            A lot of misconceptions.

            1) The toolbar PageRank is going away NOT because PR is going away,
            but the usage of any toolbar is going the way of the dinosaur.

            2) Google not disclosing PR does not mean it's not updated. Sharing this
            information is really all that a PR "update" ever was. Just because they
            do not release data, does not mean the data does not exist. Only
            google's internal PR was anything that was ever valid, and they have
            never really shared that.

            3) Did anyone actually listen to what Cutts said? Still talks about PR being
            all about links....and hinted at that NOT going away, but even more important
            in the trust factor. Judging pages that have links to sites, making it VERY
            clear to start getting links that matter...

            4) Google downplaying PR because they want Imers to knock the nonsense
            off of trying to shmooze it. Downplaying it, not sharing it, getting rid of
            the useless toolbar, etc. is NOT getting rid of PageRank

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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              A lot of misconceptions.
              I see no misconceptions at all. I think everyone knows tool bar Pr was only updated a few times a year but if data is never shared then it makes no sense to say it is not going away because google still has it. Who really cares if Google alone has it and is not sharing? Pagerank updates DID give a general idea of where a site was at least within a few month of the update. YOU can pretend if you wish but thats just a fact.

              Of course if you already know the site you got a link from then thats easy to determine as a good link but if not then toolbar PR did help and its IS going away from webmasters which last time I looked was one of the definitions of going away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Suppaman
    PR is still important. The only problem is that we won't know anymore the pr of our sites.
    We can use other metrics, like DA and PA from opensiteexplorer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
    Did Google retire its pagerank count? at least publicly? None of my sites have been updated and its been forever....
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    • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
      Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

      Did Google retire its pagerank count? at least publicly? None of my sites have been updated and its been forever....
      I still have it installed on my browser, so I'd say no. I have noticed that page rank seems to have a lot to do with competition and traffic to a page. For instance, if you have a page that doesn't have a lot of competition in the search engines but gets a lot of traffic (like if you're one of the first marketers to put up something for a product launch), your page rank will increase very quickly.

      If you put up a page of content on something in a really competitive niche, then your page rank is likely to stay to same for a long while. The same goes for your overall site rank as well (from what I can tell). I really wouldn't worry about it. Focus on quality content and getting traffic, so you can make more money.

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      • Profile picture of the author the brewer
        They still update it as far as I am aware.

        I have to agree it is easy to get too involved about one small part of your business such as page rank. Overall don't sweat it too much and concentrate your effort on just getting traffic to your site.

        If you are selling links then of course page rank is important. However having targeted traffic is where you increase your bottom line.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
      Well I'm talking about the literal page rank number on your site. the PR 2/3/4/5/6/7 ranking that you get assigned based on what Google thinks. I built two sites a few months ago and they're not in a super competitive niche so I'm wondering the last world web update was in February so yah..

      **note: Just because, I asked a question about one part of my business - does not mean thats all I care about and all that I'm focusing on.
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    • Profile picture of the author yestyle
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      A member on my site said that google will not update pagerank in 2013 ( according to Matt Cutts) . you can see it here . For me, Google pagerank is not important as traffic for my site.
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    • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
      Google doesn't retire pagerank system. The pagerank is still used as a factor of 200 factors for search engine ranking position (SERP).
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    • Profile picture of the author kid3378
      Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

      Did Google retire its pagerank count? at least publicly? None of my sites have been updated and its been forever....
      No they did not retire page rank but they did not simply update page ranks of sites. Do not be bothered about page rank, just keep your site clean and healthy, Google will eventually reward your effort.

      Matt Cutts said he would be surprised if there's an update before 2014.

      Source: Search Engine Land
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      • Profile picture of the author G0nzalez
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        Originally Posted by kid3378 View Post

        No they did not retire page rank but they did not simply update page ranks of sites. Do not be bothered about page rank, just keep your site clean and healthy, Google will eventually reward your effort.

        Matt Cutts said he would be surprised if there's an update before 2014.

        Source: Search Engine Land
        I wanted to post the source, but you did it quicker then me. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Simon Walker
      Matt Cutts Tells You Why Your Site’s PageRank Isn’t Changing (Kind Of) | WebProNews
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      • Profile picture of the author Guru SEO
        I am not sure that the toolbar page rank that we all see is really the one they use for ranking. If it would they would update more often.

        I think they do not really care if it is updated or not. I use the moz PA and DA (page and domain authority), it is usually updated monthly.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by Guru SEO View Post

          I am not sure that the toolbar page rank that we all see is really the one they use for ranking. If it would they would update more often.

          I think they do not really care if it is updated or not. I use the moz PA and DA (page and domain authority), it is usually updated monthly.
          No, they have never used the toolbar for anything. They update PR internally in real time. When they do release updates to the toolbar PR it is just a snapshot of what the PR was at a given time. It is usually weeks or months behind even then.
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    • Profile picture of the author InternetExpertMarketer
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      They are always updating, it still exist.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1SEO1com
      Hello Danielle,

      First of all, Google will not Ignore it because when they submitted their Project for patent , the Page Rank was the entire base for Google Algorithm.

      Secondly, they are too busy in Penguin, Phantom , Humming Birds, Panda, Letter to webmasters, disavow tool that they missed one update in May and then August and Now my expectation is : It can happen in November.

      Lastly , PR is not only the quality measure but yes if you have a website with NO PR, some of the people ( Not me ) may think that site is not Good.

      Suggestion : Try to increase your DA and Trust Rank , PR ( whenever happens ) will follow you.

      Thanks,
      Adrian
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    • Profile picture of the author dcary13
      You must have in mind that there are 2 page ranks:

      - the internal, algo based, real time page rank google is using
      - the external, "toolbar", public page rank

      The external page rank is only a somehat accurate snapshot of the internal, real page rank. The external database is only updated 2-3 times the year (the page rank update) and so on.

      Google has no real interest anymore to show you their internal page rank for several reasons. But these reasons are technical or simply to avoid cheating - there is no anti SEO reason as many think.
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    • Profile picture of the author PrivateHTML
      im pretty sure it still gets updated, i see my site, jumping around every now and then...
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