[Joseph Johnson]

I think people are reading too much into this. Walk into your bathroom, what do you see? I'm pretty sure everyone bathroom is different from the next. Different toothpaste, tooth brush, mirrors, towels, soap, light bulbs, tiles, shower curtain, toilet paper so on and on. John gave one niche as an example, move on. I just gave 9 simple niches, but you still have to do your keyword research. Keep It Simple Simple. At my desk, i got a coffee cup, notepad, tape dispenser, stapler, blackberry phone, markers, computer speaker, flat screen, my desk, pen holder...etc... Again Keep It Simple Simple, do your own research, and test and test.

Here's a few ideas I read from another forum

August Sales Events:

* Back to School - Very decent event. School supplies don’t monetize very well because they are cheap. Target older kids, such as high school and college students. Computers are huge in this event. Same with cellphone and other tech gadgets. Student loans are very hot. Clothing is huge as well.
* Tax-Free Sales Events - Very nice sale but doesn’t perform quite as well as I would expect. However, expensive products make up for lack of volume. Computers, laptops, cellphones and expensive electronics are hot during this time.
* End of Summer - Depressing. Well not the holiday but the end of summer is depressing. Girls start wearing clothes again and the weather gets cold. I hate fall. Nothing is pretty in the fall. I could care less about orange leaves, I just want to see skimpy clothing on the ladies. At any rate, end of summer is an “all around” holiday. Most all stores participate. Targeting is some what difficult. Fall clothing is hot… but there is no excitement there.

September Sales Events:

* Labor Day - Good marketing holiday. Office supplies and very hot. Office furniture and computers is very hot. Best Buy is known for their sales event.
* First Day of Fall - Lame. Nothing too eventful. Clothing is popular. JCPenney is hot same with other stores such as Dillards and Macys. Make best use of Labor Day and prepare for a dry period.

October Sales Events:

* Columbus Day - Big event for automotive. They are really trying to push inventory and get ready for next year model vehicles. Pretty decent event on movies, dvds and various video games and electronics. Nothing too explosive.
* Halloween - Amazingly this is a pretty decent holiday. Most stores run sales just to push old inventory and make room for the next year products. October is a pretty big dry period all in all.

November Sales Events:

* Election Day - Lame. Nothing monetizes very well. Bypass and prepare for Veteran’s Day.
* Veteran’s Day - Not too shabby of a holiday. Invest some time into this but don’t miss the windows on Thanksgiving.
$$$ * Thanksgiving Day - Super huge… all in on this holiday. Everything is on sale and stores invest money into huge advertising. You are now entering into the biggest time of year.
$$$ * Black Friday (Busiest Shopping Day) - Amazing… shocking…. grab your kness and kiss your ass. You will make an amazing amount of money. Blog about everything including the kitchen sink. This is your day, this is your moment!
$$$ * Cyber Monday (Internet version of Black Friday) - Back to back.. with BlackFriday… you will NOT sleep, if you do you are stupid. This four day period should be your busiest time of year as a blogger and you should have invested all your time and energy into both these two sales events combined. You can make more money during these two periods than you can almost with any three other campaigns combined. If you don’t plan ahead than this business just isn’t for you. Plus it’s all you got until Christmas.

December Sales Events:

* First Day of Winter - Boring. Lame. Stupid. Don’t waste time with this. Use the down time to prepare for Christmas, End of Year and New Years.
$$$ * Christmas - Super mad man crazy for marketing. This is your show boat. This is a time for NO sleeping. A lot of money can be made during this time of year.
$$$ * End of Year - Very profitable and a great way to closeout the year. Get your quick “Bang” in and then quickly prepare for Super Bowl and New Years Sales.

[bay37]

John, do you find it easy to outrank amazon.com pages (generally)?

thanks

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by Drikus Botha

Hello John, I was just wondering, after you build a new site, do you just start to submit articles that point to your site and let the search engines find your site themselves or do you use other means to let the search engines know about the new site.

Thanks,

As I've said multiple times, I only use article marketing, but if you want
to use any other methods, feel free.

- John

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

For the newbies. If you are targeting the niches posted by John or food related equipment, probably you are bound to fail at some point. A ton of people are getting on this bandwagon now. Adsense cpc will get stretched thin and keyword searches are not enough to share between so many sites. Forums are starting to link to this thread, WSOs will spring up by the truckload. Find other niches.

There are millions of niches.

- John

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by lh1234

would you agree John with what jeswarrior just said? I am a newbie and want to follow your system but is she right? Are there too many people on this bandwagon, will adsense be stretched too thin and k/words not enough to share between so many sites for the niches you've shared so far? Would be we better off branching out into new areas - still appliance related perhaps? thanks for any insight.

Why would you want to go after the niches I have posted?

I don't understand that. Of course they would be saturated by now.

You've got to get your eyes away from the computer screen and just
look around.

- John

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by bay37

John, do you find it easy to outrank amazon.com pages (generally)?

thanks

VERY easy.

Whenever you see Amazon at the top for your keyword, run, don't
walk, after that niche.

- John

[remodeler]

Originally Posted by XFactor

VERY easy.

Whenever you see Amazon at the top for your keyword, run, don't
walk, after that niche.

- John

I agree 100%. Whenever I see Amazon in the top 3 spots for any product keyword I'm all over it.

[bay37]

Originally Posted by remodeler

I agree 100%. Whenever I see Amazon in the top 3 spots for any product keyword I'm all over it.

Nice. I just started a batch of 17 websites that fit this criteria (search counts between 2.4k-6.6k in MNF).

[geosandler]

Based in your experience and with your strategies, how many sites approximately do you think that need to achieve your new goal of $1.000 daily?

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by geosandler

Based in your experience and with your strategies, how many sites approximately do you think that need to achieve your new goal of $1.000 daily?

I have no idea, really. Nor do I consider entertaining such thoughts.

Trying to calculate the impossible is a waste of time, and will only
waste the precious time you have in building your business.

Some sites may grow to earn $1,000 per month, others $50, etc.

So there is no way to tell in the end how many sites will be running
when a $1,000/day is reached.

Let's focus on today, on the current site, on the current article, one
word at a time...

That is my mindset.

- John

[Stephen Crooks]

He has already said he likes to build sites that make around $3 approximately on average so it isn't difficult to work that bit out.. Around 350 sites I would imagine.

Originally Posted by geosandler

Based in your experience and with your strategies, how many sites approximately do you think that need to achieve your new goal of $1.000 daily?

[illuminis]

Thank you John, I learned a lot from this thread. It is gold!

[angelah]

HI John,
Thank you for your dedication with answering all the inquiries posted.

Based on your recommendation, I just purchased Micro Niche Finder and initially I'm very pleased.

I have a few questions for you.

I'm seeing that the number of keyword searches in MNF, are very different from the Google Keyword tool? Doesn't MNF pull their data from the Google keyword tool monthly search results? I'm curious - why the difference? From what I understand, they are both measuring monthly search numbers.

Do you use the MNF keyword search numbers or Google keyword tools search numbers? If using MNF search numbers, how many number of monthly searches do you like to see to for each keyword to determine if you'll use it?

Thanks much!

Angela

[LIndaB]

Angela, the search counts should be exactly the same as what you see in Google. But you have to make sure you are comparing the same match type. MNF defaults to exact match. So if you are using the Google Adwords tool at broad match (which it defaults to), you won't see the same numbers. Change the Google tool to Exact and they should be the same.

[Evita]

Originally Posted by angelah

I'm seeing that the number of keyword searches in MNF, are very different from the Google Keyword tool?

Angela

Make sure when you use the Google Keyword tool the setting is on "exact" matches. That is probably why you are seeing a difference.


Evita

[angelah]

Originally Posted by LIndaB

Angela, the search counts should be exactly the same as what you see in Google. But you have to make sure you are comparing the same match type. MNF defaults to exact match. So if you are using the Google Adwords tool at broad match (which it defaults to), you won't see the same numbers. Change the Google tool to Exact and they should be the same.

AHA!! That's the problem then. I didn't realize that about the Google Keyword tool with it being a default setting of broad match.

Thank you so much!!

Angela

[remodeler]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

He has already said he likes to build sites that make around $3 approximately on average so it isn't difficult to work that bit out.. Around 350 sites I would imagine.

This has nothing to do with you Steve, but your answer brings up a great point. I know that many will cringe at the thought of building so many sites...but don't look at the numbers. Instead, focus in on getting your first site made, articles submitted, etc. Then focus on working 1-2 or 3 sites at a time and work from there. You will be amazed at where you'll be in 30 days...90 days...and one year from now.

The key is to not get caught up in the little details that knock so many out of the game, or quit after a week and move on to the next thing you hear about in the WSO section. Stay focused and follow what has been laid out here and you will have an empire of sites to work with one year from now. An empire you can also leverage in other directions as well.

[internetmarketer99]

- - - NOTE - - -

As I'm sure many of you are, I am purchasing MicroNiche Finder. I felt the least I could do for the immensely valuable, generous, and entirely un-selfish info John has been providing, I would ask if he had an aff link for MNF (CB), and would purchase it that way.

I'm certainly not trying to tell anyone else what to do, nor does John have any idea that I would post this, but for me, I felt this was both deserved and some good & fair Karma payback.

Just -my own- thoughts.

Mark

[BryanB55]

Originally Posted by bay37

Nice. I just started a batch of 17 websites that fit this criteria (search counts between 2.4k-6.6k in MNF).

Interesting... I'd be interested in seeing what kind of numbers everyone else is shooting for as far as search counts go... and broad match or exact match.

John, do you check out a keyword via broad or exact match?

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by angelah

HI John,
Thank you for your dedication with answering all the inquiries posted.

Based on your recommendation, I just purchased Micro Niche Finder and initially I'm very pleased.

I have a few questions for you.

I'm seeing that the number of keyword searches in MNF, are very different from the Google Keyword tool? Doesn't MNF pull their data from the Google keyword tool monthly search results? I'm curious - why the difference? From what I understand, they are both measuring monthly search numbers.

Do you use the MNF keyword search numbers or Google keyword tools search numbers? If using MNF search numbers, how many number of monthly searches do you like to see to for each keyword to determine if you'll use it?

Thanks much!

Angela

Without turning this thread into a "Micro Niche Finder thread," I'd like
to point you to thier blog, which covers a lot of your questions, as
well as a way for you to submit your customer service questions:

Broad Search Count vs. Exact Search Count micronicheblog.com

- John

[msalada]

My question is when do you pull the plug on site. At what point in time do you decide to cut your losses and move on. I built 2 sites and the first one has been making a dollar or more a day from day one. It is about 2 weeks old. The second one has made about $2 total in the last 10 days. I believe with more promotion, it will probably do better. But this makes me wonder what criteria you use to know when it is time to walk away. Where do you expect a site to be after 30 days, 60 days or 90 days after a reasonable amount of promotion?

[amerigo]

just emailed you, i would like to reserve a copy of the course.

[bigbyte]

Originally Posted by msalada

My question is when do you pull the plug on site. At what point in time do you decide to cut your losses and move on. I built 2 sites and the first one has been making a dollar or more a day from day one. It is about 2 weeks old. The second one has made about $2 total in the last 10 days. I believe with more promotion, it will probably do better. But this makes me wonder what criteria you use to know when it is time to walk away. Where do you expect a site to be after 30 days, 60 days or 90 days after a reasonable amount of promotion?

What are the rankings for your main keyword?
Have you tested different page layouts?
Have you tested different ad styles?

There are many variables that come into play. You will need to do some testing until you find your golden spot for ad placement and page layout. You also need to look at your rankings. Where does the site rank for a broad search and for a phrase search or for an exact search? Your site can also be sandboxed and you have to work a little harder to get it back into Google rankings. Don't expect each and every site to be a home run. If the site does not perform even though your rankings are good and your page layout has a proven track record on other sites, I would let it sit for 3 months and then come back and promote it again. If that still does not do anything, drop it and sell it at one of the online market places for websites.

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by bigbyte

What are the rankings for your main keyword?
Have you tested different page layouts?
Have you tested different ad styles?

There are many variables that come into play. You will need to do some testing until you find your golden spot for ad placement and page layout. You also need to look at your rankings. Where does the site rank for a broad search and for a phrase search or for an exact search? Your site can also be sandboxed and you have to work a little harder to get it back into Google rankings. Don't expect each and every site to be a home run. If the site does not perform even though your rankings are good and your page layout has a proven track record on other sites, I would let it sit for 3 months and then come back and promote it again. If that still does not do anything, drop it and sell it at one of the online market places for websites.

What he said

[Azlan]

Originally Posted by msalada

My question is when do you pull the plug on site. At what point in time do you decide to cut your losses and move on. I built 2 sites and the first one has been making a dollar or more a day from day one. It is about 2 weeks old. The second one has made about $2 total in the last 10 days. I believe with more promotion, it will probably do better. But this makes me wonder what criteria you use to know when it is time to walk away. Where do you expect a site to be after 30 days, 60 days or 90 days after a reasonable amount of promotion?

hi msalada

if you read back through the 10 pages, in there John mention that we should not make our target money per site as the goal. What John suggest is take a keyword, build website, get it to page one and then move on to the next site.

the money will come later.

so the focus should be getting the site to page 1.

since i am one of John student before, one of my website just recently move to page number 1 on page one for my main keyword. very competitive. that is when John's student is focusing on getting one large site ranked on page 1. i am very happy now since this site give me $10++ a day on a daily basis. but this will take a few months of hard work.

if you would like to see the fruit asap, this new methods that john just layout to us is the one. but it require hard work and discipline.

but what i am trying to tell here is that we should change our focus not to target the money per site, but rather than page 1 for that particular keyword that we are targeting and then move to the next site.

just sharing what i have learnt

good luck everyone.

- azlan

[Bishop81]

Originally Posted by Michael Gavre

John,

I have heard you mention several times that you are only using articles for the backlinks and that once you stopped sweating the small stuff it was easier to write the articles.

I, and most likely a lot of fellow warriors reading this thread, find it hard to write articles about physical products. After all, theres only so much you can say about that 'cuisinart hand blender'

With that being said, I have a new method for others to try if, and I mean IF your goal is to simply get backlinks from your articles and are not too concerned about the possibility that you might get traffic from your articles.

Let me explain...

There are MANY webmasters out there that use the article directories for getting content for their websites, either by searching and copy, pasting them into their sites or by using article 'scrapers' , Autoblogs, etc... this is one of the greatest benefits of submitting your articles to the article directories.

When they use these 'tools' to automatically collect content for their sites, they have to choose a 'category', and lets face it, most of these users are not scraping content from the 'Shopping' category.

For Greatest Distribution of your Articles (and the most backlinks), TRY THIS:

DO NOT write about your 'cuisinart hand blender'

Choose one of the most popular categories i.e. internet marketing, weight loss etc... and write an article on something related to that topic. Choose something you are more familiar or comfortable with.

Then simply use the anchor text of your 'cuisinart hand blender' in your author box as normal. You will receive a much wider distribution this way and many, many more backlinks.

I know that the sites your links will appear on are probably not going to be relevant to your hand blender, but I dont think your going to find many sites that are going to be relevant anyways at least none that are going to link to you any other way.

After all, which would you rather have, 5 backlinks from the 5 other webmaster writing about blenders, or 5000 backlinks from across the web...

Just my two cents...

Michael

One point about this... Many of these autoblog sites just grab and show a snippet of your article, with a "Read More" link at the end pointing to your article or blog. A way around this is to include that link near the top of your article or blog post (if the site you're writing for will allow it). If that link is in the first 3 - 4 sentences, then it will appear on even more sites.

[terryd]

Truly fascinating thread this has developed into!

Finding keyword phrases that fit your criteria (or google sniper criteria) seems pretty easy but I'm not sure about the competition bit of it.

Would you be able to list sites you would not contemplate taking on for 1st page google rankings??

Eg:Amazon
Wikipedia
Epinions
Products own company website
Ezinearticles
About
Nextag

You could save us a lot of time by listing some of the sites that you find it very hard to outrank, would surely help!

Cheers!

[Stephen Crooks]

Think about it this way.. Your worst performing site is making around $2 every 10 days. Assuming this remains the same, thats a turnover per year of around $70.

How much does this domain cost you per year? Maybe 10 bucks for the domain and if you allow about $10 for its space on your hosting that would be fair. That is a profit of about $50 a year.. Not groundbreaking in itself but certainly not worth ditching the domain. What other business can you make over 300% profit on your worst performing product?

Originally Posted by msalada

My question is when do you pull the plug on site. At what point in time do you decide to cut your losses and move on. I built 2 sites and the first one has been making a dollar or more a day from day one. It is about 2 weeks old. The second one has made about $2 total in the last 10 days. I believe with more promotion, it will probably do better. But this makes me wonder what criteria you use to know when it is time to walk away. Where do you expect a site to be after 30 days, 60 days or 90 days after a reasonable amount of promotion?

[lh1234]

I have been taking some action on what I've read in this thread - doing some niche searches and have found some niches with good searches and exact phrase numbers, a green tick in SOC, and 99% commercial intent - basically figures that look too good to be true. They are available as dot coms, however these keywords have either 4 or 5 words in them. Does google frown on urls that consist of 4 or 5 words? (I ask because you'd think the dot coms would have been snapped up long ago by internet marketers for these terms). I'd appreciate your thoughts about this.

[Stephen Crooks]

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with 4 or 5 word domains from an SEO point of view. Any more than 5 words though and it certainly gives a bad impression from a searchers perspective.

My personal opinion and my research backs this up that so long as your domain name contains your target phrase then you are okay. This even includes the name of the HTML file or permalink post name.

In other words, if your keyword phrase is "blue pencils" and your domain is topbluepencils.com then you are okay or even if your site page is writingimplements.com/bluepencils.html then you are also going to see the same SEO advantages as if your domain was bluepencils.com..

You can see this for yourself by choosing a competitive keyword phrase and look at the google top 10 to see what URL's contain that phrase and how they do this. Of course all other SEO techniques need to be considered as well but I hope you get the idea.

Originally Posted by lh1234

I have been taking some action on what I've read in this thread - doing some niche searches and have found some niches with good searches and exact phrase numbers, a green tick in SOC, and 99% commercial intent - basically figures that look too good to be true. They are available as dot coms, however these keywords have either 4 or 5 words in them. Does google frown on urls that consist of 4 or 5 words? (I ask because you'd think the dot coms would have been snapped up long ago by internet marketers for these terms). I'd appreciate your thoughts about this.

[bigbyte]

If the domain name looks too long, it makes a bad impression. Stay below 30 characters. That is my personal opinion and not backed up by any statistical data. A search volume with more than 5 keywords in a phrase/search term will not carry much volume either.

[Astounding Writing Coach]

Hi John,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I just got Joel Comm's book on Adsense. Still taking time to read it slowly. So, you would recommend getting in on this, huh? I will feel interested to see how you continue to progress.

Congrats on your success.

Astounding Writing Coach

[bgmacaw]

Originally Posted by terryd

Would you be able to list sites you would not contemplate taking on for 1st page google rankings??

Eg:Amazon
Wikipedia
Epinions
Products own company website
Ezinearticles
About
Nextag

Wikipedia you should avoid because if it's ranking for a term it's probably not a good buying keyword term but an informational one. The same is often true with About.com. They can be beat in some cases but it may not be worth it for the keyword.

Company web sites you can sometimes beat if they're poorly SEO'ed but this isn't common. Often they're difficult to impossible to beat. However, being at the #2 spot right below them can bring good traffic. You should avoid using a company's trademark terms in your domain name in order to avoid legal trouble.

Product review and price aggregation sites are usually beatable as well with a bit of effort. If your listing in Google looks more in depth people will click on it. Also, Google's algorithm loves diversity and if your site looks diverse to the algorithm, ie not just another price listing, you'll get a good bump.

[lh1234]

Thanks Steve and Bigbyte. The 4-word keyword is something like this: digitalcolorflatscreentelevision and I would be just using this phrase as the domain name with no other words added.

Exact searches per month in mnf are 5400 for one 4-word phrase and 8100 for a 5-word phrase, so there are plenty of searches for these terms with low comp. So would it be OK to use these 4 and 5 word phrases for these types of adsense sites I want to set up?

Or should I just do it and see what happens (I'm sure that's the answer that John would probably give)

My only other query about using these terms is that I read somewhere here that EZA don't like you using more than 3 words in your anchor text. Is this correct and if so then that would put a damper on my backlinking with articles (with EZA at any rate.)

I've put my name down for Johns course, but am itching to start now, that's why I ask the questions.

Appreciate any feedback to this. Thanks

[Azlan]

Originally Posted by lh1234

Thanks Steve and Bigbyte. The 4-word keyword is something like this: digitalcolorflatscreentelevision and I would be just using this phrase as the domain name with no other words added.

Exact searches per month in mnf are 5400 for one 4-word phrase and 8100 for a 5-word phrase, so there are plenty of searches for these terms with low comp. So would it be OK to use these 4 and 5 word phrases for these types of adsense sites I want to set up?

Or should I just do it and see what happens (I'm sure that's the answer that John would probably give)

My only other query about using these terms is that I read somewhere here that EZA don't like you using more than 3 words in your anchor text. Is this correct and if so then that would put a damper on my backlinking with articles (with EZA at any rate.)

I've put my name down for Johns course, but am itching to start now, that's why I ask the questions.

Appreciate any feedback to this. Thanks

if you think you can rank for that keyword, then by all means go for it but it would be a bit hard since in Ezine, the keywords maximum they allow is 3 words only. if you read a few pages back, John try to find 3 keywords niche so that he can use ezine as the backlinks. if not probably you may have to try other article directory like goarticles.

anyway, good luck.

- Azlan

[htmlv2]

Wow, $300 a day. Well done, I'm sure you can build on that.

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by nouman zafar

If you read this msg please tell me what is the most imortant thing to fast the traffic on my website and whats the technique that people make interest in my website and click google ads

Everything I've discussed in this thread is important.

- John

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by Astounding Writing Coach

Hi John,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I just got Joel Comm's book on Adsense. Still taking time to read it slowly. So, you would recommend getting in on this, huh? I will feel interested to see how you continue to progress.

Congrats on your success.

Astounding Writing Coach

Yeah I've read his stuff a while back. My honest opinion is that it's built
for the masses.

That's not a bad thing, but most of these E-books have too much filler,
too much stuff about things like:

-How to sign up for Adsense
-How to get your Adsense Code
-How to setup Wordpress

Things like that.

(You asked for my opinion, which is all this is).

- John

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Wikipedia you should avoid because if it's ranking for a term it's probably not a good buying keyword term but an informational one. The same is often true with About.com. They can be beat in some cases but it may not be worth it for the keyword.

Company web sites you can sometimes beat if they're poorly SEO'ed but this isn't common. Often they're difficult to impossible to beat. However, being at the #2 spot right below them can bring good traffic. You should avoid using a company's trademark terms in your domain name in order to avoid legal trouble.

Product review and price aggregation sites are usually beatable as well with a bit of effort. If your listing in Google looks more in depth people will click on it. Also, Google's algorithm loves diversity and if your site looks diverse to the algorithm, ie not just another price listing, you'll get a good bump.

This is very good advice and exactly what I agree with from experience.

- John

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by lh1234

Thanks Steve and Bigbyte. The 4-word keyword is something like this: digitalcolorflatscreentelevision and I would be just using this phrase as the domain name with no other words added.

Exact searches per month in mnf are 5400 for one 4-word phrase and 8100 for a 5-word phrase, so there are plenty of searches for these terms with low comp. So would it be OK to use these 4 and 5 word phrases for these types of adsense sites I want to set up?

Or should I just do it and see what happens (I'm sure that's the answer that John would probably give)

My only other query about using these terms is that I read somewhere here that EZA don't like you using more than 3 words in your anchor text. Is this correct and if so then that would put a damper on my backlinking with articles (with EZA at any rate.)

I've put my name down for Johns course, but am itching to start now, that's why I ask the questions.

Appreciate any feedback to this. Thanks

Just go for it, I would.

As far as article marketing, yes you will have to use another directory
than ezinearticles.

Or you could do what a lot of people do and just get backlinks from
social bookmarking, forum posts, etc.

- John

[JamesHughes]

Brilliant post, very interesting.

Roughly how many sites do you have?

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by JamesHughes

Brilliant post, very interesting.

Roughly how many sites do you have?

Well, not including my big health site and other sites from my old
model, I have exactly 44 sites that follow my mini-site approach
as outlined in this thread.

Iv'e put up 10 sites since June 22.

- John

[aspirepub]

Hi John

I'm glad you are doing well on Adsense. But I do want to caution you, like some others here. Adsense is unpredictable, it could be gone before you realize what happened. I used to do what you are doing (for 3 years), until Google decided to close my account recently. And then $10,000 a month income just gone. You just have to be very careful with what you do on your sites. And do remember Google treat all of them as a single entity. If they find something they dislike on just one site, all of them will suffer the same penalty.

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by aspirepub

Hi John

I'm glad you are doing well on Adsense. But I do want to caution you, like some others here. Adsense is unpredictable, it could be gone before you realize what happened. I used to do what you are doing (for 3 years), until Google decided to close my account recently. And then $10,000 a month income just gone. You just have to be very careful with what you do on your sites. And do remember Google treat all of them as a single entity. If they find something they dislike on just one site, all of them will suffer the same penalty.

Yep, I agree.

And I've covered this in the beginning pages of this thread.

- John

[dv8]

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Wikipedia you should avoid because if it's ranking for a term it's probably not a good buying keyword term but an informational one. The same is often true with About.com. They can be beat in some cases but it may not be worth it for the keyword.

Company web sites you can sometimes beat if they're poorly SEO'ed but this isn't common. Often they're difficult to impossible to beat. However, being at the #2 spot right below them can bring good traffic. You should avoid using a company's trademark terms in your domain name in order to avoid legal trouble.

Product review and price aggregation sites are usually beatable as well with a bit of effort. If your listing in Google looks more in depth people will click on it. Also, Google's algorithm loves diversity and if your site looks diverse to the algorithm, ie not just another price listing, you'll get a good bump.

Another question on beating the competition. John said run don't walk if Amazon has the first spot. bgmacaw gave some good info above.

But what about beating out search results from web 2.0 sites and articles?

One keyword phrase I am looking into has a squiddo page in the #2 spot.
None of the first page results has the keyword phrase in their URL.
Yahoo answers is the last result on page 1.
Ezine articles has the #3 spot
Other article sites have the 5 and 6 spot.
The top results have a lot of backlinks, but since they lack the keywords in the URL I think they can be beat in the search results
SEnuke has the difficulty listed near the middle (as in not the easiest but not the hardest either)

And this term got 14,800 exact searches last month according to Google keyword tool.

And I can add one word to the keyword phrase and grab the .com


So 2 questions...

1) Should I be running to snatch this up and build on it?
2) How hard is it to beat out web 2.0 sites/article sites?

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by dv8

Another question on beating the competition. John said run don't walk if Amazon has the first spot. bgmacaw gave some good info above.

But what about beating out search results from web 2.0 sites and articles?

One keyword phrase I am looking into has a squiddo page in the #2 spot.
None of the first page results has the keyword phrase in their URL.
Yahoo answers is the last result on page 1.
Ezine articles has the #3 spot
Other article sites have the 5 and 6 spot.
The top results have a lot of backlinks, but since they lack the keywords in the URL I think they can be beat in the search results
SEnuke has the difficulty listed near the middle (as in not the easiest but not the hardest either)

And this term got 14,800 exact searches last month according to Google keyword tool.

And I can add one word to the keyword phrase and grab the .com


So 2 questions...

1) Should I be running to snatch this up and build on it?
2) How hard is it to beat out web 2.0 sites/article sites?

Here's a thought (seriously):

Go for it and see how well you do. And I'm not being sarcastic
either.

For every 100 people that do this, each person is going to have
100 different questions on obtaining the same goal.

And these 100 different variables can differ into 1,000 streams
of directions about competing sites, PR, backlinks, etc.

So in the end, you'll reach $300 per day if you stop over-analyzing
and start just diving into it.

Every website I start has the same basics that you read in this
thread.

The only difference is that I dive in even if the waters don't seem
perfect.

In fact, the waters are never perfect.

- John

[bigbyte]

Originally Posted by aspirepub

Hi John

I'm glad you are doing well on Adsense. But I do want to caution you, like some others here. Adsense is unpredictable, it could be gone before you realize what happened. I used to do what you are doing (for 3 years), until Google decided to close my account recently. And then $10,000 a month income just gone. You just have to be very careful with what you do on your sites. And do remember Google treat all of them as a single entity. If they find something they dislike on just one site, all of them will suffer the same penalty.

There is a legal way around this and that is to get additional Adsense accounts. I do not mean this in a spammy way, but it is fairly cheap to start a new LLC or INC in many US states and as a different legal entity you can then get an Adsense account each. It adds a little more complexity to your tax setup though. But I use LLCs and just file a Schedule C per LLC with my annual tax return. In the end it all goes into my personal tax return. This works for me, your tax situation might be different, but it is do-able and you stay within the Adsense restrictions Google has.

[Bounderby]

Originally Posted by bigbyte

There is a legal way around this and that is to get additional Adsense accounts. I do not mean this in a spammy way, but it is fairly cheap to start a new LLC or INC in many US states and as a different legal entity you can then get an Adsense account each. It adds a little more complexity to your tax setup though. But I use LLCs and just file a Schedule C per LLC with my annual tax return. In the end it all goes into my personal tax return. This works for me, your tax situation might be different, but it is do-able and you stay within the Adsense restrictions Google has.

How many sites do you register to each LLC before setting up a new company?

[dv8]

Originally Posted by XFactor

Here's a thought (seriously):

Go for it and see how well you do. And I'm not being sarcastic
either.

For every 100 people that do this, each person is going to have
100 different questions on obtaining the same goal........

In fact, the waters are never perfect.

- John

You're right. Thanks for your response.

I will test this one for sure.

[bigbyte]

Originally Posted by Bounderby

How many sites do you register to each LLC before setting up a new company?

You need to figure out your own risk/income/benefit level. Whatever you feel comfortable with. I would not stretch this too far to stay under the radar with Google no matter what. If you make $10K a month go 33/33/33 - it all depends on your own situation.