hsk2010

I honestly dont know why they call CPA the millionaire makers when I couldnt even make $10 bucks.

I tried email marketing- failed, outsourcing via Fiverr and odesk-Failed, do not have a website and all that jazz..

I just didn't want to have to give up so soon..

I wish there was someone who could teach me and get me back on track.

Sorry if I sound so pessimistic..I was always criticized by parents and friends of spending to much time on useless things such as IM as people never make money online AND I wanted to prove them wrong-

GUESS I LOST OUT FINALLY.....just feeling so much dispair

Mark Brian

If you are lost go back to basics:

- What's your target niche/market
- What's your keywords
- Who's your competitors
- What's your SE ranking
- Where's your traffic coming from
- What's the conversion rate of your landing page

If you can tweak/answer your problems from these basic questions,
then I am not sure how can you not make money online.

hsk2010

Thanks alot Mark but I do not have a website

Phobos

Haha....giving up already?

Here's a guaranteed method that will put money in your pocket. Remember... you must do exactly what I tell you:

1. Pick 3 high converting email submits (free gadgets work best).
2. Make a landing page for each one (use free Wordpress blogs -nothing fancy).
3. Write 5-6 articles for each offer and submit them to Ezinearticles.com
4. After the articles go live at EZA rewrite them a bit and then submit them to Articlesbase.com

This is exactly how I started and the method still works. It won't make you a lot of $ but will give you a moral boost.

And remember, you must follow the steps 1-4 exactly else I'm not responsible for any failure

EZA might act like a jerk at first and reject some of your articles (read the reason for rejection and act accordingly).

P.S. Remember to bookmark and ping the articles after they go live.

tryinhere

go to weebly.com and you can fire up a free website until you make a few bucks to put your own domain on it.

• - just chillin.

hsk2010

Can you pm me with a little more detail as to how exactly I must go about it.
You can also post here if you wish.

How much do you think I would be able to make with your strategy?
Sorry to be so blunt- I guess failures do that.

Phobos

Just follow the steps I've outlined for you. There's no magic trick, there are no secrets.

How much can you make? I don't know, it deppends. But does it really matter? It's a dead simple strategy that will get you going (and that's what you want isn't it?).

hsk2010

Thank you phobos...its like lending a life jacket to someone drowning

cheekeong.tan

Dear hsk2010,

How long you have tried ?
How much money you have spent on learning internet marketing ?
What internet marketing basics you know now ?

Sorry about all these questions. The most important question actually is "what is your definite chief aim for yourself ?" If you can't answer this question, that's the reason why you can't get unstuck to continue your success journey.

The above serves to spark soul searching, no criticism meant.

Cheers

P.S. - If it's financially possible, get a mentor to help lights up your way.

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jeffrey73

This is a great idea! I've made a few websites with Weebly, and they've turned out looking pretty good. The best part is it is FREE!

Every time you make a new one just create another account on a different email address.

williamrs

How much time have you been trying to promote CPA offers? It took me almost 2 years to make my first penny online, but today I am a full-time internet marketer with a big smile on my face. So don't give up just because you failed once or twice. You can turn CPA into a real business, you just need to be willing to go through your learning curve.

Here are some tips to help you get back on track...


Weeping won't help you

You will fail, things will go wrong many times until you figure out how to play this game. However, you need to try again, again and again. Don't get frustrated and don't think about giving up, just learn from your mistakes and keep going.


Master ONE system

There are people making money with thousands of different strategies, but it doesn't mean that you have to test a new method every single day. If you want to make money with a system you need to master it, so don't jump to another method if you fail once, be persistent and keep focused on one system.


No one can do it for you

People here on this forum can help you learn more about a specific traffic source, suggest you some networks, give you some tips, but no one here will actually make money for you. You need to do it by yourself, and the only way you have to succeed is by going through your learning curve. Internet marketing isn't easy, most people fail and you can't get rich overnight. However, many people make a living with their CPA business and you can do the same after you defeat your learning curve. So be stronger than your frustration.


William

jayesser

Posting articles on Ezine wont help unless you have a premium writers account. The B***ds at Ezine will just reject your article.

I dont blame u for feeling dejected - I put in HOURS of work every day and do many of the things recommended..do i make any money? hardly. I put in at least 5 hrs EVERY DAY and only make $2 a day at best. Its becoming a bit of a joke and a waste of my life! Ive been doing this for about 16 months with no real progress. i may give it 2 years before i give up on CPA.

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Eager2SEO

Hate to piss on someones parade, but I'm starting to believe there is a luck factor in this. If not that, then you need deep business sense. The people making the big bucks probably have it, but don't realize that. I don't care about the stories that say "16 yo homeless girl makes 40K/mo online." That means absolutely nothing. It is the same thing as saying she got a perfect score on the SAT, does that mean you can get it too?

My friend plays the piano and tells me how effortless it was for her to learn it. Does that mean it is easy for everyone?

I was researching the PUA market yesterday for a niche, and I can't help drawing analogies. Here you have guys who are probably below average looking, not rich, etc but they can (well claim anyway) to get hot women at the drop of a hat. Put them in a new city, and within a day women will be all over them. Why? because they have a subtle skill that others just don't.

I know from the fourms I researched that guys buy every PUA guide, but yet fail to get to a second line in a conversation with a lady. Some guys are in their 30s with barely any dating experience! The scary part is its not their appearance in many cases.

I used to teach math and programming in community college and I taught students who put in massive efforts(hours in tutoring, trying every homework problem), but yet never seemed to get it. Sure, they can eek thru a passing grade (hopefully) but I doubt they would be able to move on to a more advanced course. Maybe some people take more time to learn. If the algebra course was two years instead of 4 months that would be another story. Even so I believe some may not conquer it. Now imagine trying to push these students into more and more advanced engineering classes. Is this what is happening with some internet marketers?

I think internet marketing or brick and mortar business in general is similar. Some people do not have the organizational and thinking skills to make it as an entrepreneur. This does not make you a bad person! They have an employee mindset where they need guidance and have difficulty coming up with original ideas. Most employers do not want original thinkers, unless you are very top management.

They are not risk takers. Not having a website in this business (unless you are an expert in PPC with 4 figures to blow) is a recipe for failure. Not bashing the OP(I'm far from successful) but not having a website in this business is means you are not serious. This is more in the class of students who just put in no effort and fail the class.

Teens do very well in IM because they are ready to take risks (very constructive in the case of IM). They don't think of the consequences, they just do it. That combined with business sense is a synergistic recipe for millions.

The other two factors are focus and confidence. If you have ADHD(or jump from one thing to the other, have more than 3 tabs open in Firefox, etc) you are at a major disadvantage. Also, confidence, to keep trying after repeated failure helps too. But then there is that "luck" or more likely "talent" factor that kicks in, otherwise you are (as we say in programming) recursively recreating your own mistakes with no limiting case. This a guaranteed recipe for a stack overflow and ultimately failure.

Now in the time I wrote this I could have written an article for ezines....

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tayuyaa

Hi HSK, if you want to see money in your CPA account go to this site, it's called bidvertiser and you get $20 free for advertising. Choose an offer from your network, it might be an email submit offer, and start one campaign, I'm sure you'll make at least $5 (just to make you feeling that you can do more), use your 20$ then start doing better things, learn a method and try to implement it.

Best of luck !

Tim

angel21

I agree there is a lot of Luck factor to this, I am giving me 1 year to make it, I have been at it 2 mo's for 8-10 hrs a day so far nothing but I am still learning a lot.Thanks for all of the advice!

Kenster

Luck is always a factor in everything you do but its no more important in IM than it is in any other business.

In truth, you make your own luck. If you are keeping active and taking action, luck tends to come to you. Ask most successful IMers and most will tell you they have been lucky, but never relied on luck. This is a hugely important point. By always moving forward in your business (even if you dont necessary know exactly where you are going) you create opportunities and opportunities are what most people consider luck.

The person who sits and reads this forum, sits and buys product after product and sits and becomes a master at internet marketing by reading about it will never get opportunities and will never get lucky. The person who is actively reaching out to people, actively setting up campaigns and sites will normally get lucky.

The only thing you can control is how hard you work and what you do, so just focus on that.


...


As for the OP here...I feel your pain. Everybody thought I was crazy when I was doing my thing online (and not making any money at first). Its just the way it is...most entrepreneurs go through this. Most non-entrepreneurial folk (the majority of people) dont understand what its like to have a passion and an idea and to turn that idea into a business. Thats precisely what you and I are doign here.

So, my advice would be to spend at least 50% of your time taking action, even if its building your first wordpress site that you have no idea how to do. What's the worst that can happen? If you keep taking action, things will come so that is my biggest advice. Action action action.

Keep forward momentum and do everything in your power to motivate yourself and don't look for that secret sauce or secret method...they don't exist. Most of internet marketing is the basics...its marketing 101!

Best of luck

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rain21

first make a website then do some seo and try to get targeted traffic, for this u can use geo targeted SEO,
use facebook and twitter also... without a website above things are impossible..I think what u need is a website

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williamrs

Luck is a piece of the game, but definetely not the most important one.

Let's say we have 4 offers:

OFFER A
OFFER B
OFFER C
OFFER D


Case 1: Unlucky good marketer

Attempt 1: OFFER B - failure
Attempt 2: OFFER D - failure
Attempt 3: OFFER A - failure
Attempt 4: OFFER C - $$$


Case 2: Lucky good marketer

Attempt 1: OFFER C - $$$


Case 3: Lucky bad marketer

Attempt 1: OFFER C - failure
Attempt 2: OFFER D - failure
Attempt 3: OFFER A - failure
Attempt 4: OFFER B - failure


IMO, this is the way things work.


William

Kenster

Establishing virtual real estate is good! Wordperss is extremely easy and my bet is that in 2 days time of hard work you can have a darn good looking wordpress site!!

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Colton

I've got about 22 tabs opened up in Firefox. Guess the adhd is getting to me!

CrhisD

I think I know how you are doing it wrong (if that really is your pic.) If it is, it's a pretty good way to get people to look at a page or click on a link.

And even if you don't succeed so what really? how would you be worse off than if you hadn't tried at all?

azmanar

Hi Phobos,

Thanks for giving us newbies a practical way of doing things. Clean, crisp, clear and simple. This is the kind of tips that I've been looking for.

The 1st article I sent to EZA weeks ago was accepted almost immediately after some adjustments. I have to edit out minor "marketing" words and a foreign link. Then I sent to other directories. This is for a client and not for a CPA effort.

So I thought of stepping up by sending to Buzzle.com first then EZA. Buzzle will only accept fresh articles which have not been published ever. The first was accepted as a sample to let me in. The 2nd article was rejected without telling me the reason. They just delete it. Buzzle and Puzzle, there is some rhyme there. Question : Is Buzzle.com that important? Should I just ignore Buzzle?

ArticlesBase and GoArticles are the easiest and very responsive.

My client was smiling from ear to ear when they got the traffic and the rankings. Article submission is the way to go.

I have another question. When you say, write 5 or 6 articles for the offers and publish them in EZA, I was surprised. EZA clearly warned not to submit articles that are marketing oriented. But they don't mind having 2 live links to any site. What is the trick you use to circumvent EZA's strict policy?

Eager2SEO

I agree, I read your story where you made 100s of Animoto videos until it started to take. How many people would give up after 10, or even 20? Honestly me. I made a few for a zip submit for a free TV, but i never got any conversions.

I'm in that spot now, I feel I know everything in THEORY about it, but the distractions and taking action is going to scuttle my efforts. I'm also not comfortable with risking 100s in PPC. I bought videos from a guru (I wont say any names) where he makes it seems like childs play (placing ads in PPV, 2nd tier networks) but I'm still skeptical.

My next strategic move though is article marketing. I wrote software that does a great job of analyzing completion, search volume and how articles are backlinked and ranked.(nothing you probably couldn't do manually but I like to program and get distracted).

My PPC/CPA guru taught me the importance of reverse engineering others campaigns and adding your own twist. I disabled adblock, and I watch my browser headers. I like penny auctions - I think people are making a killing with a certain type of landing page.

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CrhisD

Great advice from Kenster as usual.

CrhisD

That's an idea of the kind of work you have to do to make as much as he does

azmanar

Will,

You have amazing ways of motivating people. Really nice one using probability.

How about this one.

Out of many offers, I got lucky in 1 offer. Suddenly IT WAS PAUSED when the momentum was about to pick-up. The network gave notice only after pausing it. Is this normal?

I quickly replaced it with an identical offer by another network. Otherwise my visitors kept going to a smiley factory.

Phobos

EZA will not accept articles previously published elsewhere so that won't work. I never personally used Buzzle before but my advice is to just stick with EZA if you have fresh content

Articlesbase is my second favorite directory and I got plenty of traffic from it. Unfortunately I can't say the same thing about Goarticles (decent number of views but very few clicks).

They're just trying to scare people off and sound more professional then they actually are when in fact, all they care about is their Adsense money. If you submit decent content you shouldn't have any problems (of course, don’t make it too salesy either).

PrivateCitizen

To the OP, if you are able to, you can also try offline CPA with local businesses. Pick one or two high converting, high payout free trial offers, get some cheap .info domains to forward to the offers, then contact businesses whose customers would love these free trials. Offer the businesses 50% or more of the profits just to give out some flyers to their customers, then create a different sub-domain pointing to a unique sub-id for each business and put that sub-domain on their flyer so you can track their sales. If you don't have time or money to print and deliver flyers to the businesses, just create the flyers in MS Word or a pdf, and email them to the business. Most of them won't mind spending a few cents printing out some flyers when they can make good $$$ by pointing their customers to a free trial. Remind them that they will get paid whether or not the customer chooses to cancel the trial. Offer to send them weekly screen shots of their sales, then make sure you pay them in a timely manner after the network pays you.

The hardest part of this is contacting the businesses and explaining the opportunity to them, and you will probably get a lot of rejections at first, but keep trying. Even if they say no, ask them for their email so you can send them more info and a link to the offers. A lot of them may change their minds and join you when they understand more about it. Even if you only get a small number of businesses on board, you will start getting conversions, and making good money on auto-pilot.

This is an idea I am putting into action for myself, and I hope we can all profit from it. Good luck!

ChadH

I'm sorry, but what's all this talk about luck???

If all of us are actually able to sit here on a computer, with a roof over our heads, lol worried about CPA marketing, then you have all the luck you need in this business.

People have accomplished far more with far less.

I'm really lucky, simply for the fact I was born somewhere I even have the option to freely make money.

azmanar

Sawaddi Kap Chad,

Wise words and very good reminder. Thanks.

Some times we must pause a bit and see things in our lifes that we should be grateful for.

Matthew NY

Amen to this.

Just keep trying. Despite what all of those WSO's say, it requires work to get a business started. Internet Marketing is like anything else. You have to be in it to win it. The thing that makes Internet Marketing more attractive to a lot of aspiring entrepreneurs is that you can do it all from your own home.

Cataclysm1987

Number one problem right there.

Do you have a list?

Do you have a product or service?

You need at least 2 out of 3 of these three things in order to make any real money in IM.

1. A site
2. A list
3. A product.

Or else you are doomed to make pennies when others are making benjamins.

Bum marketing is alright if you don't mind writing 50 articles a day and getting super crappy conversions until you have so much crap floating on the web that it all adds up to something, but if you want to be realistic, get a freakin website. They're not expensive.

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bertyounger

Recommend you get your own site when you do IM. Even if you can't monetize the site it has some intrinsic value in traffic and age so you can flip it and at least get something back for your efforts. Domain registration and hosting can be had for pennies a day.

It's all about learning, experience and execution. IM can be a great time waster and good execution is often boring so its easy to get distracted while fooling yourself that you are in the process of learning. Learning is great but apply it to the real world. If you address the execution aspect of IM you will be able to apply those very same skills to other aspects of your life. IM gurus are made not born.

Kenster

Absolutely. This is the best advice I ever got and the best advice I try to extend to others. Its simple math. If you can do 20 videos and make $1 per day, then do the same thing 100 times and you should be at $100 a day. The beauty of working online is that you can multiply like this because when you systematize most methods, they can be outsourced and the scope of the internet is so large that it takes a while before market factors such as market cannabalism kick in and you see diminshed returns on your multiplication.

And I agree, reverse engineering is an important part of many campaigns...SEO, PPC, Lander Development, etc

Some people build there business exclusively on reverse engineering competitors sites





I did this when I was starting. It works but its tough as a long term gig and thats why its more of a bum method to me. I also ran into some headaches since many of the offers are headaches. It works though to get some initial investment capital. There are ways to set it up to make it more long term like focusing on lower payout but more legit offers like Netflix or something.

Offline lead gen is huge as well!

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Mehak

am i right in saying you dont have a site? This is ringing alarm bells in my head because that should be the first step to getting started. How were you marketing even without a site?
Create a blog/lead capture page or both to brand yourself and capture your leads. When you've got a list work with it, promote to it and you should be making money.
You can also utilize your blog with adsense if you wish.

All the best

yukinara

yeah sure, you are defeated, just quit this business, less 1 competitor for me and everyone here, no one die anyway.

Only by helping your fellow businessman, you can finally achieve true success

harro1

There are 100 more ways to make money online, cpa is not the only thing.

iamx

Without a doubt take time to learn some web designing. Or play around with wordpress pages. You NEED to learn how to create websites.

Now I dont know you at all. But is it safe to say that you been playing around with IM for so. Without learning how to create websites yourself because its a bit intimidating?

That you maybe have looked for options AROUND having to build websites? If so the best edvice I got in this games was to master what scares you the most in this game. Whether its web creation, spending $$$, keyword methods, bidding etc. Once you learn what scared you the most in IM the rest becomes ALOT more simpler.

I started off with free methods and made some NICE change in return and best of all it was all free traffic. Once I felt ready I moved on to paid traffic (PPC) And I'm still learning alot. I'm making money not herds of money but a nice profit.

Where did I learn the methods that i use?

From IM forms and it was mostly free.. Find what people are claiming they are making money with. There is always somoene who is gonna give you free pointers or even some people that will spill the beans. One you find a topic or method that alot of people say is working for them then do it yourself for a amount of period of time. Or till you start seeing results.

hsk2010

Thank you everyone or such uplifting advice. I am going to get that wordpress site and as Im writing my tab is loading for the wordpress site.
thank you thank you thank you everyone

joesfortune

you are in friendly waters, my friend. I went through your route. right now I a hanging on with GDI and squeezing my brains to make my blogs work and earn me a living.

Joseph M. Dabon
Blogger and freelance writer. I belong to Ezine's Expert Author, Diamond, level.
I currently have two blogs:
http://homebizresources.net/ for online business
http://joespulpbits.com for happiness and fitness.

hsk2010

Could you advise as to what kind of product should one have on their website?

jeffrey73

You can market without a website, and make thousands. It's called direct-linking. Not the best thing to do long term, but then again this girl needs some experience, and should focus first on ad writing or basic SEO/keyword research. Building a website/list should be secondary after learning some marketing skills.

jeffrey73

Exactly my sentiments.

Not only online, but OFFLINE as well, where the competition is minimal.

iamx

No doubt about it direct linking works.. I'm living proof the problem is it seems like she might not have alot of capital for doing PPC? Direct linking is an expensive habit and there are ''tricks'' to getting it to work. It's only a long term business if you dont stop running offers. Which isnt really a big deal since you dont have to build sites. But like I said i know first hand it can be $$$

jeffrey73

Use your brain to think of things that are popular, people would be interested in signing up for or buying. Go to Amazon and browse different products, or go to Ebay. Ask your CPA affiliate manager for an offer that does well.

Then do some keyword research with the Adwords Keyword Tool and WordTracker. Find some keywords getting 3,000 Google exact searches per month. Check WT and find keywords getting 30+ searches per day, at least.

Then check Google competition, and find phrases with 50,000 "quoted" results or less. Write some articles and/or press releases. Use your kw phrase 3 times every 300-400 words. Once in the title, opening paragraph, and anchor text in the bio-box. Redirect to an affiliate offer.

As long as you write a decent article and have it well SEO'd, you should start to make SOME money.

JasonWestwick

As others of said there are hundreds of ways to make money online and hundreds of methods to make money with CPA.

There are some great responses in this thread and the sheer amount of replies should indicate that you have a complete community here of extremely knowledgable people who are willing to support you every step of the way.

It sounds like you just need to stick it out, pick a method that appeals and stick with it. The most important thing here is not necessarily for you to make money, building an online business takes work and time, the most important point here is that you are learning, everytime you fail you learn, everytime something goes wrong and frustrates you - you learn.
Always be learning.

Pick a method stick with it and enjoy the process.

ShawnPeter

Hi Hsk2010,

As harro1 mentioned above, there are more than 100 ways to make $$$ online.

Each time you face a problem, its not right to give up. Don't keep doing the same things over & over again, expecting a different result. Its good that you are on WF. Many of the Warriors here are very helpful. If you constantly keep thinking that you are a failure, that is what you will become. If CPA or whatever you have tried does not work for you then get someone to help you understand. You probably need to rethink the steps you took.

I believe that harboring negativity does attract negative outcomes.

Here are some vids for inspiration:




Do you know how many Publishers JK Rowling had to approach, before 1 took her book? If she gave up, there wouldn't be Harry Potter.

Do you know how many banks Walt Disney had to present to - with his sketch of a Mouse, before 1 finally gave in to his Mouse ideas?

It ain't over till you say its over. You become what you think...what you focus on.

Cheers!

PS: This song is my anthem, each day I awake. pls listen to the lyrics.

jeffrey73

Rocky Balboa, that's it right there.

CrhisD

Look at your profile page. Look at how many people have clicked on it. Do you know why they did? there's your answer

iamx

If you want some free coaching look for a post on here called: FreeCPACoaching. I forgot the guys name who started it. Alot of the stuff he teaches you will find on ''PPC'' websites that charge for this type of info.