I Learned My Lesson Building Backlinks too Fast!

[Shannon Spoon]

I just wanted to start this thread to let anyone know that doesn't that you can build backlinks too fast, Google will punish you.

My site was on the first page of Google 7th position and after i bought a backlink package that added 2,000 backlinks in 7 days it went to the last page.

So anyone who tells you to go crazy on backlinks that Google doesn't mind, does not know what they are talking about.

Now before i bought the package i read several times that you need to build your links slowly. Man, i wish i would have listened. Lesson learned.

[DannyCee]

Yeh building backlinks too fast can be a problem as Google will see your site as spam. However, it also depends on the quality of the links your getting. I would pick quality over quantity all of the time.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by The Storm

How long will it take for things to right themselves do you think?

That is the million dollar question. I don't know but if anyone has any experience with their site being sent to the nether regions and coming back i would love to hear about it.

[Mike Grant]

Building backlinks fast is not a problem.


The reason you've been penalized is because you RANDOMLY started getting 285 backlinks per day. You set off their spam filter. If you start from day one building 285 per day, and MAINTAIN it, you'll be fine.

[craigc1980]

Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon

I just wanted to start this thread to let anyone know that doesn't that you can build backlinks too fast, Google will punish you.

My site was on the first page of Google 7th position and after i bought a backlink package that added 2,000 backlinks in 7 days it went to the last page.

So anyone who tells you to go crazy on backlinks that Google doesn't mind, does not know what they are talking about.

Now before i bought the package i read several times that you need to build your links slowly. Man, i wish i would have listened. Lesson learned.

Building backlinks at a steady pace works with google. But too many will put up a red flag.

Not only will google lower your ranking but your site can also get blacklisted for these actions.

Google looks at this as a blackhat method for some reason.

Im not sure if it is because they think it is a software people are using or just dont like fast link building in general.

I have learned building tons of backlinks from bloggers seem to be ok but other methods for some reason search engines think your using some type of black hat voodoo tricks

[Peter Gregory]

This probably should have gone here: Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum

But regardless, I have a few questions for you.

How old is your site?
How long ago did this happen?

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Building backlinks fast is not a problem.


The reason you've been penalized is because you RANDOMLY started getting 285 backlinks per day. You set off their spam filter. If you start from day one building 285 per day, and MAINTAIN it, you'll be fine.

That's interesting, i did not know that. But i am going to build them slowly from now on. I just hope my sight will see the light of day again.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by Peter Gregory

This probably should have gone here: Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum

But regardless, I have a few questions for you.

How old is your site?
How long ago did this happen?

My bad, i wan't thinking were to put it.

My site is 2 maybe 3 months old and it happened a few weeks ago.

[blackcat123]

I think you could have spread it over a longer period of time. Then there wouldn't be such an issue.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by blackcat123

I think you could have spread it over a longer period of time. Then there wouldn't be such an issue.

Yes next time i buy a package i will do that for sure.

[blackcat123]

Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon

Yes next time i buy a package i will do that for sure.

We have to learn by our mistakes to succeed in the future. Hope everything will go fine for you in the future

[Fernando Veloso]

I said this before and I'll say it again:

IF this is truly a backLink Filter / Penalization / whatever, t has to be the most STUPID thing Google ever invented.

Why?

Cause we can track new sites EASILY and kill them.

Since new sites get top rankings for a couple days, ALL we need to to is check a new site at top, mark URL, check whois data, and send a big blast of backlinks to send that site to hell.

****, i can even create a script to check recently bought domain names with my chosen keywords to send them to hell!!!

Now, IF Google is doing this ****, it has to be the MOST STUPID idea out of Google headquarters.

They can devaluate those links, they can ignore them, but filter / penalize / sandbox / whatever it is, IS PURE EVIL cause a smart competitor can track new sites easily.

Rant Off.

P.S.: OP, many issues can send a new site down the drain, usually onsite issues. Have you checked everything?

[MisterMunch]

A good idea is to imitate the "inovators, early adopter" graph, when it comes to building backlinks.

http://www.anythingresearch.com/Stra...tion-curve.png

This will be the most natural link building. (Also profile links is no so natural, are they?)

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

I said this before and I'll say it again:

IF this is truly a backLink Filter / Penalization / whatever, t has to be the most STUPID thing Google ever invented.

Why?

Cause we can track new sites EASILY and kill them.

Since new sites get top rankings for a couple days, ALL we need to to is check a new site at top, mark URL, check whois data, and send a big blast of backlinks to send that site to hell.

****, i can even create a script to check recently bought domain names with my chosen keywords to send them to hell!!!

Now, IF Google is doing this ****, it has to be the MOST STUPID idea out of Google headquarters.

They can devaluate those links, they can ignore them, but filter / penalize / sandbox / whatever it is, IS PURE EVIL cause a smart competitor can track new sites easily.

Rant Off.

P.S.: OP, many issues can send a new site down the drain, usually onsite issues. Have you checked everything?

Well not sure exactly what you mean by checking everything, but all i know is shortly after i got my backlinks my site went bye bye

[Lee Wilson]

This happens on pretty much every domain I have that is less than about a year old, with much less links. A week, two weeks, six weeks or whatever, I'll bet it will be back again. Did you use the same anchor text in every link or vary it.

Google takes some time (IMO) to figure out what a site should rank for. When you throw a variation of anchor text links at it, I think it makes Google work even harder to figure out what the site should rank for. Not a problem for an established site.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by L Wilson

This happens on pretty much every domain I have that is less than about a year old, with much less links. A week, two weeks, six weeks or whatever, I'll bet it will be back again. Did you use the same anchor text in every link or vary it.

Google takes some time (IMO) to figure out what a site should rank for. When you throw a variation of anchor text links at it, I think it makes Google work even harder to figure out what the site should rank for. Not a problem for an established site.

Yes i did use a variation of anchor text links. I haven't had a problem with my other sites. Some are on page 1 and some on page 2, but i did not build links too quickly too those sites either.

[Jason Perez O'Connor]

Its not gone. It'll jump about abit with the addition of new links (as said about google has to analyze those links) and go straight back up in time.

Read Terry kyles case study where his articles and blog would go up and down with new additions of links and go back up within a few days to a few weeks.

Like said above, if addition of links would affect ranking, you could scout competition that look promising and delay their business by bombarding their new sites. And I'm sure if that was the case you'd see some of the larger sites doing it on the sly so to stop any upcomming competitors.

I think with the vast amount of knowledge google staff have that they would not over look this.

Guarantee it.

Jay.

[JayXtreme]

The site is only 2 or 3 months old and you think a couple thousand backlinks has caused this drop?...

Honestly, you're just getting started on that site.

Google hasn't "punished" you, it hasn't even decided what to do with you yet!.... I can add over 3,000 back links to a 7 year old site and not see any issue.

This has more to do with the age of your site, than it has to do with the back links. If you think adding back links like that to a domain is gonna hurt your ranking chances... You think wrong.

Jay

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

The site is only 2 or 3 months old and you think a couple thousand backlinks has caused this drop?...

Honestly, you're just getting started on that site.

Google hasn't "punished" you, it hasn't even decided what to do with you yet!.... I can add over 3,000 back links to a 7 year old site and not see any issue.

This has more to do with the age of your site, than it has to do with the back links. If you think adding back links like that to a domain is gonna hurt your ranking chances... You think wrong.

Jay

Well everyone is going to have their opinion but it looks like they did decide what to do with me and that information is on the last page of Google.

[Peter Gregory]

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

The site is only 2 or 3 months old and you think a couple thousand backlinks has caused this drop?...

Honestly, you're just getting started on that site.

Google hasn't "punished" you, it hasn't even decided what to do with you yet!.... I can add over 3,000 back links to a 7 year old site and not see any issue.

This has more to do with the age of your site, than it has to do with the back links. If you think adding back links like that to a domain is gonna hurt your ranking chances... You think wrong.

Jay

That's exactly where I was going with my first question. It is ridiculous to think you will have any sort of stabilized rankings with a site that new. Now maybe if it was a really low competition longtail keyword you were targeting it might have had the potential to stay based solely on the fact that google may not be able to find anything else that would even be related to the targeted keyword, but even in that scenario you are still likely going to see ranking drops and bounces all over the place.

[Peter Gregory]

Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon

Well everyone is going to have their opinion but it looks like they did decide what to do with me and that information is on the last page of Google.

That may be true, but what some of us are trying to tell you is that the reasoning behind your thinking is inaccurate. We're just trying to help you understand the situation you are dealing with based on background and experience in this matter.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by Peter Gregory

That's exactly where I was going with my first question. It is ridiculous to think you will have any sort of stabilized rankings with a site that new. Now maybe if it was a really low competition longtail keyword you were targeting it might have had the potential to stay based solely on the fact that google may not be able to find anything else that would even be related to the targeted keyword, but even in that scenario you are still likely going to see ranking drops and bounces all over the place.

Well my other sites are staying pretty much on page 1 or 2 and one of them is older than the one that got sent to Google wasteland. Yes it is a long tail keyword with low competion.

I understand bouncing all over the place but, last page after i send 2,000 backlinks and Google can't figure out where to put me?

[aim73]

I think this is the million dollar question and the SEO world is divided on this anyway.

But for what it's worth, this has happened to me too. The site came back after three weeks, much stronger. Another site didn't come back until 6 months. So who knows.

I'm more wont to believe what Fernando Veloso said that there could not possibly be such a "rule" in Google. At the very worst, it will probably signal a "human" to check it. But if you've got a site with good articles and is non-spammy at all, then I don't think there's anything to be worried about at all. But that's just my opinion.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by Peter Gregory

That may be true, but what some of us are trying to tell you is that the reasoning behind your thinking is inaccurate. We're just trying to help you understand the situation you are dealing with based on background and experience in this matter.

I hear you and thank you but i wonder if i bought another backlink package and sent 2,000 links to another one of my sites would it see the same fate?

[JayXtreme]

Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon

I hear you and thank you but i wonder if i bought another backlink package and sent 2,000 links to another one of my sites would it see the same fate?

Is the site the same age?

Same keywords?

Same structure?

Same content?

Same content published on the same days?

If you answered No to these questions, then your answer is no. Every single site is different..

Thus gets treated differently by Google.

Jay

[johnsongt]

I agree building them too fast and with low quality rank is not the best way to rank your page higher instead of 10-300 pr3's get 10 pr8-9's.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Is the site the same age?

Same keywords?

Same structure?

Same content?

Same content published on the same days?

If you answered No to these questions, then your answer is no. Every single site is different..

Thus gets treated differently by Google.

Jay

Well no of course not but that still doesn't explain why (if you believe Google doesn't penalize) it is on the last page.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by johnsongt

I agree building them too fast and with low quality rank is not the best way to rank your page higher instead of 10-300 pr3's get 10 pr8-9's.

Yes you are right but now i know.

[Jason Perez O'Connor]

Break it down this way.

Rather than penalize you, see it from Googles point of view.

They see a rather large amount of backlinks going to your website all of a sudden. Now that shows flags for them, and tells them that the site might need re-evaluation to make sure it is infact being given the most relevant rankings.

So to prevent worser customer service, they move the site way below visibility in order to do a re-evaluation of the site to make sure that 1. a massive change has not been applied to the site in questions hence the new links, thus rendering it off topic to the placings it once had.

Or to make sure that the site is still relevant.

These again are my warped opinions of what's going on. But then again with Google giving away nothing a lot of the gurus make their own assumptions. Hence I have too.

Though my theory sounds reasonable in my eyes.

Jay.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor

Break it down this way.

Rather than penalize you, see it from Googles point of view.

They see a rather large amount of backlinks going to your website all of a sudden. Now that shows flags for them, and tells them that the site might need re-evaluation to make sure it is infact being given the most relevant rankings.

So to prevent worser customer service, they move the site way below visibility in order to do a re-evaluation of the site to make sure that 1. a massive change has not been applied to the site in questions hence the new links, thus rendering it off topic to the placings it once had.

Or to make sure that the site is still relevant.

These again are my warped opinions of what's going on. But then again with Google giving away nothing a lot of the gurus make their own assumptions. Hence I have too.

Though my theory sounds reasonable in my eyes.

Jay.

Yes i couldn't have said it better. I totally agree that this is what is going on.

[Lutz80]

Are all the backlinks even indexed yet I use these packages quite often myself and have never really had a issue usually the 2k backlinks are going to show up periodically anyway , unless you went and pinged the whole list usually it takes quite some time for google to find all of those links and index them etc. so it usually ends up looking natural. That is just my experience on the issue and most of the time with sites that new as others have said will bounce around depending on the quality of site, content, linking structure, and all of the baclinks and other content you put out there.

But this is all just from my own experiences and others who I know. So anyway good luck to you getting back up in the search engines.

Zac

[marcdonovan]

This is just google dance. They have stated publicly that there is no blacklisting for links.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by gjurovski

I had a same problem with my last web site.
I put too many links too fast and I had a problem with Google.

I am glad i am not the only one who has had this issue.

Sure someone could take a website and spam it death with backlinks to send them to the Google desert(those who say Google doesn't mind backlinks too fast or it won't hurt you) but how many people have actually done it?

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor

they move the site way below visibility in order to do a re-evaluation of the site

How on earth does moving the site "way below visibility" help them to "do a re-evaluation" - what exactly can they "re-evaluate" with it in one position in their SERP's that they couldn't "re-evaluate" with it in another position?!

Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon

I totally agree that this is what is going on.

If you'll excuse the observation, only someone who had already made up his mind in advance could "agree" with that!

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

How on earth does moving the site "way below visibility" help them to "do a re-evaluation" - what exactly can they "re-evaluate" with it in one position in their SERP's that they couldn't "re-evaluate" with it in another position?!



If you'll excuse the observation, only someone who had already made up his mind in advance could "agree" with that!

I agree that what he is saying makes sense. People can change their mind and be swayed one way or another to agree or disagree. Before i was not sure exactly why they did it but i had a feeling from reading all the stuff about building links too fast.

[Jason Perez O'Connor]

What I meant is, rather than leave the site high above in the serps. To reduce bad customer experience (incase a change of topic has been made on the site), they could move it down while the site is re-crawled.

Then again that is my theory, could be wrong or right But since the change came along as soon as he used the backlinks, unless it was coincidental then what other reason could it be?

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor

What I meant is, rather than leave the site high above in the serps. To reduce bad customer experience (incase a change of topic has been made on the site), they could move it down while the site is re-crawled.

Then again that is my theory, could be wrong or right But since the change came along as soon as he used the backlinks, unless it was coincidental then what other reason could it be?

right that is the point i was trying to make. The site has good content. I did all my SEO stuff right. It is not a spam site. That is just too much of a coincidence IMO.

[Jason Perez O'Connor]

Would be interesting to see when the site goes back up, where it stands on page 1. Based on what is taught/said. The site should come back stronger, though do keep us posted.

Mine usually come back stronger, though I've never tried a blast as big as 2000 links in a week before. I'm interested in seeing the following:

whether it drops a few places, then slowly crawls back up as links are picked up.

It instantly comes back stronger.

Or whether it stays in the same position as before due to the links not being sufficient enough to boost it past the high competing sites.

[Shannon Spoon]

Yes i will let you know when it comes back and where it does come back at. I really think if it would have stayed there all this time i would have made some sales by now.

[Peter Gregory]

Well if you are so sure of this, why not buy the this same backlink package, direct them all at your competitors sites and just knock em out of your way.

In fact, if you really want to test this I have no problem sending you a link to one of my sites that I would love for you to attempt to take down by sending massive amounts of links at it.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by Peter Gregory

Well if you are so sure of this, why not buy the this same backlink package, direct them all at your competitors sites and just knock em out of your way.

In fact, if you really want to test this I have no problem sending you a link to one of my sites that I would love for you to attempt to take down by sending massive amounts of links at it.

Well other people have said the same thing has happened to them so i don't know. I didn't know this was such a touchy/hot subject.

[Jason Perez O'Connor]

Originally Posted by Peter Gregory

Well if you are so sure of this, why not buy the this same backlink package, direct them all at your competitors sites and just knock em out of your way.

In fact, if you really want to test this I have no problem sending you a link to one of my sites that I would love for you to attempt to take down by sending massive amounts of links at it.

Think you got the wrong idea, atleast if that was directed at me.

If not then excuse me for being paranoid hehe.

[Radix]

Where are the backlinks being posted?

If they plopped a bunch of backlinks to your site on a known link farm or some equally shady place, that'll do it almost every time.

[Shannon Spoon]

Originally Posted by Radix

Where are the backlinks being posted?

If they plopped a bunch of backlinks to your site on a known link farm or some equally shady place, that'll do it almost every time.

Well i bought them here on the forum, I am not going to say from who because i wouldn't want anyone to lose business because people getting paranoid about backlinks. It wasn't their fault anyway it was mine for not telling them to spread them out.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

How on earth does moving the site "way below visibility" help them to "do a re-evaluation" - what exactly can they "re-evaluate" with it in one position in their SERP's that they couldn't "re-evaluate" with it in another position?!



If you'll excuse the observation, only someone who had already made up his mind in advance could "agree" with that!

Backlinks effect serps - right? Pretty much undeniable.

The causation being implied here is that they affected serps negatively. So then if you're in agreement with that then we must agree that backlinks affect serps.

So the addition or subtraction or the type of links will have an effect. A algo is determining the proper placement in the serps for a site that has had a significant increase in links ... so where should the algo place the site in the serps whilst it reorganizes or calculates the proper place for the site with all these new backlinks? Position 1? Position 7 ... position 21 ... Page 9 ?

There's at least 20 threads in the SEO Adsense PPC forum of this exact scenario, and without fail each site [ as far as I recall ] has returned to its former glory - OR - to the place in the SERPs it rightfully belonged after QDF wore off.

Many people do this ... My NEW'ish site is sooo awesome ... Ive done such a masterful job on page seo'ing it and backlinking it and Ive created such awesome content that google is just loving it!!! Im already on page 1. When the truth is - they were all the while getting an artificial BOOST in the serps for FRESH NEW relevant content. Now they go and add a boatload of backlinks ... now the algo has to change your position. You've changed the formula [ which was bound to change anyway when their QDF boost went away ]

Many folks cant come to grips with the notion that perhaps their site ended up closer to where it rightfully belongs ... and of course it MUST be the backlinks.

Let's see where this wonderful page 1 worthy masterpiece ends up in 3 weeks.

Having been thru this issue 3 times ... I know what Id be doing. and that is .... pouring on more content and backlinks. Mainly backlinks. In all the searches on google ive done - never seen a top 5 for a competitive term that didnt have copius amounts of backlinks. So ... you can get em slow or fast or not at all - your call.

Good Luck!

Steve

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Peter Gregory

Well if you are so sure of this, why not buy the this same backlink package, direct them all at your competitors sites and just knock em out of your way.

In fact, if you really want to test this I have no problem sending you a link to one of my sites that I would love for you to attempt to take down by sending massive amounts of links at it.

I second that :-)

[Mr.organizer]

THis is so true building backlinks too fast will make GOOGLE very suspicious and can cause your site to be penalized

[yukinari84]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Building backlinks fast is not a problem.


The reason you've been penalized is because you RANDOMLY started getting 285 backlinks per day. You set off their spam filter. If you start from day one building 285 per day, and MAINTAIN it, you'll be fine.

Yep. Dead on. Consistency is important when building backlinks. If you just start blasting tons of backlinks to your site out of nowhere, that can be cause for a red flag.

Originally Posted by Mr.organizer

THis is so true building backlinks too fast will make GOOGLE very suspicious and can cause your site to be penalized

Not always, but done in the way the OP has done it, then most likely, yes.

There are some other things you need to consider when getting backlinks:

1. Quality of the links.
2. Don't just promote your homepage. Deep link into your site.

[gamefan]

It might be Google dance. Will see if it is back in several days.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Mr.organizer

THis is so true building backlinks too fast will make GOOGLE very suspicious and can cause your site to be penalized

Did google patent an algo that contains "suspicion"? I think my PC is suspicious I might be cheating on it with a MAC? What ta do?

I have to wonder if this article is now under suspicion? I m sure it got more than a few thousand backlinks to it today

English Actress Accuses Polanski of Abuse in 1980s - ABC News

Ooops I just placed another "red flag" backlink to it - wonder if my link is the one that will trigger the google sandbox for this page?