Angela/Paul's Backlinks versus Xrumer

[Anna B]

Here's a scenario:

There's a link building service that offers $50 for 135 PR4+ DoFollow backlinks, guaranteeing to index more than 85% of the backlinks created (using links similar to Angela/Paul's).

Both services offer profile forum links. The backlinks are not contextual within relevant articles but are just standalone profile links.

So why would you choose to purchase the $50 service if you can get a big blast of 20K+ with a natural indexation rate over several weeks?

What is the value of the $50 backlinks in comparison to the others?

[cbpayne]

Originally Posted by Anna B

There's a link building service that offers $50 for 135 PR4+

Its nonsense. The PR4+ will be the home page. The PR of page that the link will be on will be either 0 or n/a ... ie worthless. PR is given per page not per site.

[Anna B]

But do you know why these links are better than an xrumer blast?

[cbpayne]

They both useless. the xrummer will also be on PR0 or n/a profile. They will mostly also be deleted by forum admins and mods.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

The PR of page that the link will be on will be either 0 or n/a ... ie worthless.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttttt. wrong answer, try again.

I might die of shock if people actually cared about OPs questions around here. If you can't answer it, move on.

To the OP:

Obviously there are costs involved. Xrumer costs $540, plus if you want to really use it you'll spend a couple hundred a month hosting it, etc. If one has the bank for it and the inclination to learn how to use it, then that of course is an option.

Also note that Xrumer, like other automated software, typically have low success rates due to the fact that it can't deal with the ins and outs and little variances between sites. This is especially true for super high PR sites. Of course, if you send out 40k links, only so many have to stick to make them worthwhile.

To be honest though, for a brand new site, I just typically don't see the need for something on as large a scale as xrumer.

tom

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

They will mostly also be deleted by forum admins and mods.

Again, BS.

Some might, sure, but if you know what you are doing you will have a very high stick rate. If you really think most forum owners care, then I've got a bridge to sell you in San Fran.

In other news, are there threads on here that don't get hijacked? It is getting to epic proportions.

[vuedoolor]

Which links are better to get? Angela and Paul high PR profile links with anchor text done manually or Xrumer post blast with anchor which is auto spam on thousands of sites? Or do they equally hold same value? I need to diversify my links and was either thinking of angela high pr links or just getting an xrumer blast done.? Which way should I go? I don't want to do both.

[cbpayne]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttttt. wrong answer, try again.

Please show me more than one profile link on forum that has more than a PR of 1

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Again, BS.

Of the 38 new members that joined my forums overnight, 24 have been banned as forum spammers. More and more forums are nofollowing them and getting p....d of with your spam. They care.

[averagejenny]

I think Angela/Paul backlinks are good.. It seems very legit and is very cheap.. I subscribed to it a few days ago.. I hope it works..

[cbpayne]

Originally Posted by averagejenny

I think Angela/Paul backlinks are good.. It seems very legit and is very cheap....

So you think spamming forums is legit?

Wait for the first class action suit from forum owners and then see if its legit.

[averagejenny]

No, I wasn't spamming because I mainly used websites not forums and if I did use forums I didn't post anything.. I will say that 95 percent of people trying to make money online use the forums as a way to get traffic to their websites or blogs.. So do you call that spamming too?? I use the forums to get information not to spam and I just tried those backlinks to try it out.. I am still new to this kind of stuff..

[cbpayne]

Depends ... if they are useful member of the community then no problem; if they just joining to either get a link in their profile and/or fluff posting to get a link, then that is spam. Thats gets you banned from all my forums.

IM'ers try to rationalise this all sorts of ways, but its spam however you want to rationlise it and those that do it are spammers and deserve to be treated with contempt.

[averagejenny]

Yeah and that is what I am trying to be.. I don't want to be labeled as being a spammer.. I like communicating with people and if I can give my opinion and advice I will..

[Shlomi Khutoretsky]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

So you think spamming forums is legit?

Wait for the first class action suit from forum owners and then see if its legit.

Have you heard of someone who been suede by a forum owner for spamming?

[cbpayne]

Originally Posted by Shlomi Khutoretsky

Have you heard of someone who been suede by a forum owner for spamming?

A group of forum owners are discussing their options to pursue this.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

A group of forum owners are discussing their options to pursue this.

and ... in another year - thats exactly where you'll be ... still discussing it.

cbpayne - your crusade here and elsewhere has reached unhealthy levels. I hope you dont give yourself a stroke obsessing over this issue. U stand as much chance stopping this as the RIAA does for file sharing. Or email spamming.

Besides that - crying about a new registrant putting a backlink in/on a profile page that rarely sees the light of day, just seems petty.

As far as worthless ... LOL nice try. NICE FUD tactic - but that tripe only scares the newbs off. Sadly they do work.

Perhaps you should take your crusade to googles doorstep, cuz until they stop letting them work, they're going to get used. And work they do ... quite well.

[cbpayne]

Its still spam and those that do it are still spammers.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Its still spam and those that do it are still spammers.

Would you give us your backlinking techniques? I would really love to see how white your hat truly is.

[cbpayne]

My sites get their links OK so I do not need to resort to such bottom dwelling techniques as used by the spammers advocated here.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Depends ... if they are useful member of the community then no problem; if they just joining to either get a link in their profile and/or fluff posting to get a link, then that is spam. Thats gets you banned from all my forums.

Sounds like links on your forums would be quite valuable. Could you give me a list?

IM'ers try to rationalise this all sorts of ways, but its spam however you want to rationlise it and those that do it are spammers and deserve to be treated with contempt.

lol

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

My sites get their links OK so I do not need to resort to such bottom dwelling techniques as used by the spammers advocated here.

What are your techniques? Or do you just get links naturally the Matt Cutts way?

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Please show me more than one profile link on forum that has more than a PR of 1
Of the 38 new members that joined my forums overnight, 24 have been banned as forum spammers. More and more forums are nofollowing them and getting p....d of with your spam. They care.

The incorrect portion of your statement is that the link is worthless.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Its still spam and those that do it are still spammers.

And they're at the top of google getting traffic.

Thanks for the gumball mickey!

[maverick8]

Xrumer is with out doubt the worst piece of software i have ever purchased. I have never got any decent rankings with it. When slowly building links or fast. Backlinking backlinks. doing both profile and posting. and also putting the profiles in an rss feed to get them indexed. Numerous tests on different domains. DO NOT WORRY ABOUT XRUMER

[techgirl]

I personally dont like xrumer i would prefer to go with Angela/Paul's backlinks its way better

[jazbo]

A followed link is a bonus, even if it has no PR. Why are people so obsessed with PR?

As for the spammers comment, have a look at this post about that exact subject and what Rand Fishkin of SEOmoz said the other week, then come back here and apologise for talking utter rubbish.

The guys ranking above you are probably not so sweepingly naive.

[Vexo]

Yes the links are 0pr and -pr but they seem to get pr much faster than a normal site that starts from - or 0 pr.

@cbpayne

lol you are cracking me up. You might look trough your forum every day to see who registered and placed links but most dont, in fact they are just glad another person registered at their forum.

ps good luck on suing every person putting a link on your forum

[theseoguys]

Spam is unsolicited. If Admin's don't want want people participating in their forum's where they allow profile and signature links, then they should stop offering the ability to do such. I will only make a post if I have something worth contibuting. I don't go throughout forums, saying buy my this or go here...As other posters have said...whther you agree or not, until Gooogle thinks they are a waste of time, they will still be indexed

[tsgeric]

I believe, as many do, that spam means you are posting, probably annoying people, desperately trying to get people to visit your "money site".
I think that a link in a signature in an otherwise thoughtful post is not spam. And, especially, a link to your site on an "about me" page that hardly anyone will ever see, is definitely not spam.

[inter123]

Thats a good point. It is minor compared to stuff you receive through email.

Originally Posted by tsgeric

I believe, as many do, that spam means you are posting, probably annoying people, desperately trying to get people to visit your "money site".
I think that a link in a signature in an otherwise thoughtful post is not spam. And, especially, a link to your site on an "about me" page that hardly anyone will ever see, is definitely not spam.

[jusin]

I believe in building link through paul and angela, instead of any other link building service. I have not heard about xrumer before, so I am little confused about services they provide.

It is not a problem for me to use these services but, I will figure out this completely.

[vishyboy]

three words - mix it up!

dont go for only one particular method. spread your efforts out evenly so google thinks its an authority site. go slow and steady. don't slow down your link velocity too.. or it will get under google radar.

[sena123]

Angela/Paul backlinks definitely better than xrumer blast ...

from my experience, i never got good results after build backlinks with xrumer

[aulia]

do XRumer Blast then index it using Backlink Energizer or BIE or Backlink Booster or something...

[aulia]

don't forget to vary your backlink source

[kazlas]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Its nonsense. The PR4+ will be the home page. The PR of page that the link will be on will be either 0 or n/a ... ie worthless. PR is given per page not per site.

YouTube - Wrong

[seoforu]

Angela and Pauls are better.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by aulia

do XRumer Blast then index it using Backlink Energizer or BIE or Backlink Booster or something...

I second that emotion!

[ryanwsi]

If you're using Xrumer or Angela's Backlinks make sure you don't use it on your money sites or you'll end up in Google's Sandbox.

[kazlas]

Originally Posted by ryanwsi

If you're using Xrumer or Angela's Backlinks make sure you don't use it on your money sites or you'll end up in Google's Sandbox.

If that was true then people would use xrumer blasts more to pull down their competition instead of blasting themselves.

[Scritty]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Its still spam and those that do it are still spammers.

And your point is?

While the US has quite strict legislation regarding spam (but no executive clout or will to enforce it) the rest of the world hasn't.

Virtual property does not exist in federal terms. Someone from Lithuania spams your forum. You're going to need to use Lithuanian law to sue them - and the catch is..Lithuania doesn't have any anti spam law, and in the forseeable future it never will have.

Everyone spams to some extent. Writing articles with very similar content to someone elses is spam (even 100% re-written - if it's been said before you are either stealing the intellectual ideas or propagating spam -take your pick)

In fact anything other than 100% original THOUGHT (not content - THOUGHT) is spam.

Sending the same article to more than one site - SPAM
Publishing a video on several site SPAM
Re-purposing your own or someone elses content for "distribution" SPAM
Bookmarking your backlinks SPAM

In fact, just about every time you press Cntrl C and later Cntrl V - you are creating spam - even if that process is a metaphorical one in your head.

Where you draw the line is up to you.

Fact is Xrumer works. A decent setup can hit half a million accounts a night. 70% do get deleted or never found. The balance is 150,000 links.

Thanks to Kazlas for pointing out the PR page error.
If you get a link on Microsofts site - no matter WHERE it is (an article about updating Windows 98se to WIndows Millenium maybe - as I have ) you will benefit from a PR8 link.)

No link actually transfers "itself" tou your site. They all get pushed through the algorithm, but what gets pushed through the algorithm is the sites PR.

Google Matt Cutts PR debate on Yahoo videos, he explains it in about the third vid down.

Scritty

[Scritty]

Originally Posted by kazlas

If that was true then people would use xrumer blasts more to pull down their competition instead of blasting themselves.

Man Kazlas, I'm glad your here mate.

THere are people with 8 or 12 Xrumer servers around. They could wipe out entire networks in a day if this nonsense about "poor quality links" was true.

If a stale site gets a massive influx of similar links. Google will unshuffle it and examine it.

The worst that it will do is IGNORE too many links of the same type.

Like you said, taking down competition by spamming links from R rated websites all over your competition would be the simplest thing in the world if this worked.

Peoaple have tried as well - and it doesn't work (not in the medium or long term anyway)

Scritty

[ZNICK]

My forums were getting dozens of new members daily... obviously spam, and they were posting rubbish. So I disabled the ability to post links in posts and profiles, and even though they no longer post, the bots still visit... in HUGE numbers.

It's great for traffic, lol!

Z

[michelwann]

I think its a best offer to our link on high pr.

[Rukshan]

Originally Posted by kazlas

If that was true then people would use xrumer blasts more to pull down their competition instead of blasting themselves.

Google give this penalty for for new web sites

Thanks
Rukshan

[jacked]

I have a cheaper paul & angela style backlink package also higher PR if you want to check out my sig. It is manually built so it will take a few days because I have days worth of orders in line already. But, as everyone said, they have a little bit more value then normal Xrumer links, but the key thing is they are indexed much more easily. If you can index them with your own tools, I would just go with Xrumer. I provide both kinds of packages if you want to check em out, and link pyramids.

[Billy Rey]

this is thread of the year right here!

[bradlean]

Xrumer is automation while paul angela backlinks is manual but it's sure ball your links will post.

I hope angela paul backlinks always provide new packets.

So that it will never be worn out.

[rosesmark]

Paul and Angela Pros

* They work – proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, no gimmicks, no hard sell, plain and simple, Paul and Angela’s technique works. Well, there’re certainly a lot of links to have and for not much outlay – link packs are relatively cheap and the old subscription was just $5.00 a month!
* You can have them quickly – Paul and Angela choose aged authority sites for quick indexing.
* It’s really easy – in fact these days, Paul and Angela will do it all for you and then send you the report – with prices starting at under $60.00.
* Their system has been revised to minimize the number of forum owners automatically deleting dummy accounts.
* With a little extra effort (add a photo, make a couple of posts to the forums in the first few weeks) you can avoid losing up to 50% of your backlinks in the early days.
* You may receive a quick (if not sustained) jump in your SERP position so, for sales or timely promotions, it can be a great option.

Paul and Angela Cons

* “All five of my sites have been de-indexed by Google – HELP” This is an actual forum thread, in a real life discussion forum on this method and it’s not the only one. The very thought of it makes my stomach turn and it might be “con” enough for you to run away screaming from Paul and Angela! When it comes down to it, Paul and Angela sell spam. It is spam all dressed up in a nice white hat, but underneath, it’s still spam and it’s still creating patterns that can be detected by the Google spam squad. If you’re here for a good time not a long time, then party hard with Paul and Angela until the endless summer ends abruptly – but if you’re looking for a steady, secure, white hat future for your business, Paul and Angela may not make suitable bed fellows.
* The great debate about whether the URL must contain the same keywords as the backlink rages on (i.e. the site is from your niche). In my experience, it doesn’t make a scrap of difference but there is a sizable contingent who believes that the only valuable link comes from a related site, Paul and Angela’s method does not cater to this.
* Careful forum owners can smell your spam and delete you before you can even finish the sign up process.
* They won’t help you to organically grow your site so if, as the links fade and many stop being indexed, you will need to buy more to keep your SERP position. If you focused on quality content, over the long term, your links would grow organically and for free.
* Everybody’s doing it….the best reason to stop! Once the whole world catches on, it’s time to find the next thing that works because by that time, Google has caught on too – the longer the technique is used, the better your chances of getting Google-slapped out of existence.

[humbledmarket]

Originally Posted by bradlean

Xrumer is automation while paul angela backlinks is manual but it's sure ball your links will post.

I hope angela paul backlinks always provide new packets.

So that it will never be worn out.

Actually you can automate paul and angela backlinks as well and that is what many do.

The High pr links are also only on the front page. They carry value but not as much. Quite personally if you spend $50 I'd prefer to get 10 000- 20 000 links Pr0-8 than having 100 links pr 4+ on the home page.

Additionally you can easily ping the links for added index rate.