Number 1 on Google For the hardest keyword on earth in 2 months ?? HOW DO THEY DO IT ??

[Hamza]

Hey guys,

I was doing keyword research and I checked the first page for this keyword

how to lose weight fast

And to my surprise, the site ranking on the first spot is only 2 months old the domain was registered in july !

The keyword is getting 130k+ exact local searches per month ! ! ! and the copitition is so damn hard,

I know people with a 5 figures SEO budget and they didn't get to the first SPOT of competitive keywords this fast,

Can someone please give me a logical explanation of what's going on ?

Thanks you
Hamza

[thecableguy]

Hmm... I guess building links to a new site to fast won't do as much damage as some people suggest.

8,000 plus backlinks (that shows)
PR 6 - 5
PR 5 - 18
PR 4 - 70 plus
PR 3 - 50 plus
PR 2 - 40 plus

Might have also redirected a PR and/or aged domain with the htaccess file as well. But it looks like the backlinks.

[UMS]

You must be looking at something else. All the top 10 sites for that keyword are high PR, have some age and a ton of backlinks.

The number 1 site (if you check using scroogle) is momswhothink dot com.

That domain is almost 12 years old.

[Hamza]

Originally Posted by thecableguy

Hmm... I guess building links to a new site to fast won't do as much damage as some people suggest.

8,000 plus backlinks (that shows)
PR 6 - 5
PR 5 - 18
PR 4 - 70 plus
PR 3 - 50 plus
PR 2 - 40 plus

Might have also redirected a PR and/or aged domain with the htaccess file as well. But it looks like the backlinks.

Yeah, that's the one, I checked too and it says 8000 links, considering that tools don't usually give an accurate number of backlinks only the site owner knows how much links the site actually have lol

May i know how do you sort those links based on PR ?

[Hamza]

Originally Posted by Hamza

Yeah, that's the one, I checked too and it says 8000 links, considering that tools don't usually give an accurate number of backlinks only the site owner knows how much links the site actually have lol

May i know how do you sort those links based on PR ?

from my end and obviously thecableguy's end the first site is

hereshowtoloseweightfast.com

and as thecableguy suggested, building so many links at once isn't as harmful as people think,

[thecableguy]

Originally Posted by Hamza

from my end and obviously thecableguy's end the first site is

hereshowtoloseweightfast.com

and as thecableguy suggested, building so many links at once isn't as harmful as people think,

Actually it was #2 with MarketSamurai, that's what I used to sort the links. Lot of homepage links.

[Fermina]

I've checked the links and most of them are trashy sites.
Like all of them are from blog networks

[SiteSmarty]

- lots of info on the front page
- spammed the comments
- lots of backlinks, fast

Initially it looks like great content to Google. It happens to a lot of sites that are over optimized. It won't last, unless they keep the content coming, get organic traffic and continue backlinking.

[ibnujusup]

Originally Posted by thecableguy

Hmm... I guess building links to a new site to fast won't do as much damage as some people suggest.

8,000 plus backlinks (that shows)
PR 6 - 5
PR 5 - 18
PR 4 - 70 plus
PR 3 - 50 plus
PR 2 - 40 plus

Might have also redirected a PR and/or aged domain with the htaccess file as well. But it looks like the backlinks.

wow, 8000 back-link.. that is a lot . a lot.... for me, that take a year, or more... how do they do it, outsource??

[ibnujusup]

Originally Posted by thecableguy

Actually it was #2 with MarketSamurai, that's what I used to sort the links. Lot of homepage links.

is homepage link carry different weight than sub domain page in term of back linking weight?? please help..

[thecableguy]

Originally Posted by ibnujusup

is homepage link carry different weight than sub domain page in term of back linking weight?? please help..

Yeah they do carry more weight than inner pages. I'd say 95% of the PR links are homepage links (unrelated material mostly) and the 0 PR pages are almost all inner pages. It appears the owner either bought the homepage links or purchased the domains. Hope it's not somebody on this forum

[ibnujusup]

Originally Posted by thecableguy

Yeah they do carry more weight than inner pages. I'd say 95% of the PR links are homepage links (unrelated material mostly) and the 0 PR pages are almost all inner pages. It appears the owner either bought the homepage links or purchased the domains. Hope it's not somebody on this forum

nice one :-)
but i'll try to prove it in this forum that inner page can still rank.. i'll report after i achieve the first position on first page of Google

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Hamza

from my end and obviously thecableguy's end the first site is

hereshowtoloseweightfast.com

and as thecableguy suggested, building so many links at once isn't as harmful as people think,

I see the same site as #1 in Google SERPs for that keyword.

8k backlinks, I'm checking the site now with seospyglass, I want to see what they used for their anchor text on most of the backlinks...

[patrich]

Originally Posted by Hamza

Hey guys,

I was doing keyword research and I checked the first page for this keyword

how to lose weight fast

And to my surprise, the site ranking on the first spot is only 2 months old the domain was registered in july !

The keyword is getting 130k+ exact local searches per month ! ! ! and the copitition is so damn hard,

I know people with a 5 figures SEO budget and they didn't get to the first SPOT of competitive keywords this fast,

Can someone please give me a logical explanation of what's going on ?

Thanks you
Hamza

They are using a private high pr blog network for most of the links to that site. Unfortunately, the network is extremely limited and not open to the public at the moment, when it does open they only let a few people in and it runs $200/month.

Also looks like they used the Seo Ultimate Network and Build My Rank based on some of the domains I am seeing in the backlink profile.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by patrich

They are using a private high pr blog network for most of the links to that site. Unfortunately, the network is extremely limited and not open to the public at the moment, when it does open they only let a few people in and it runs $200/month.

Also looks like they used the Seo Ultimate Network and Build My Rank based on some of the domains I am seeing in the backlink profile.

Most of the backlinks I see so far are on index pages of that network, no doubt all the links are very fresh considering everything hasn't fell off the index pages of the backlink network sites.

Looks like JC Penney all over again, lol.

12K+ backlinks, most on index pages.

http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=hereshowtoloseweightfast.com&bwm=i&bwmo=& bwmf=s

BTW, $200 would be dirt cheap for a network that large, If they keep you on the index page of all those domains.

[patrich]

Originally Posted by yukon

Most of the backlinks I see so far are on index pages of that network, no doubt all the links are very fresh considering everything hasn't fell off the index pages of the backlink network sites.

Looks like JC Penney all over again, lol.

12K+ backlinks, most on index pages.

http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=hereshowtoloseweightfast.com&bwm=i&bwmo=& bwmf=s

BTW, $200 would be dirt cheap for a network that large, If they keep you on the index page of all those domains.

Yeah, my bet would be they fall like a rock after those posts start to roll off and then they will climb back up a bit, but you never know.

[outwest]

It shows at number 4 and I am using google.com.ph, but still for a 2 month old site thats damn good

I think this site also illustrates importance of kw in the domain name

[Fernando Veloso]

After you outed the domain name, I bet Google will remove it quietly to page 9. Most probably the website owner won't be that happy with you folks...

Did you really have to expose this in public? Can't you just watch and learn?

Sheesshhh.

[ethanhunt0257]

I think you try to considering taking different seo company for your project.

[Amitywill]

"how to lose weight fast"

Hardest keyword on Earth??

[NovaPagina]

All things taken into account even if google deindexes it after a couple of months its still a pretty impressive achievement imho.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Amitywill

"how to lose weight fast"

Hardest keyword on Earth??

agreed. Its a nice term with 40,000 exacts per month but NOWHERE near the hardest keyword on earth

[friedman]

All new sites get a google honeymoon - loads of traffic for many keywords while google analyzes bounce, pages visited, etc. Then, the site ranks on it's own.

[Jack Chase]

Originally Posted by patrich

They are using a private high pr blog network for most of the links to that site. Unfortunately, the network is extremely limited and not open to the public at the moment, when it does open they only let a few people in and it runs $200/month.

What's the name of this network? I've only heard of Build My Rank, Linkvana and Backlink Solutions and none of them const this much...

Very impressive to be able to get to the top for that keyword though - even if it does not last that long.

By the way, that's not the only key phrase they are on the first page for according to SEM Rush: http://www.semrush.com/info/hereshow...weightfast.com.

[Hamza]

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

After you outed the domain name, I bet Google will remove it quietly to page 9. Most probably the website owner won't be that happy with you folks...

Did you really have to expose this in public? Can't you just watch and learn?

Sheesshhh.

I know , i just couldn't help my self hopefully that won't happen, but after all If he is that bad ass he probably won't have any problem ranking up in an other keyword for sure XD

[Hamza]

Originally Posted by Amitywill

"how to lose weight fast"

Hardest keyword on Earth??

I know it's not!!! I was under a shock when I write that title, lol

But mainly I was very impressed because this kind of long tail keyword have more searches than the term "weight loss" alone

[yukon]

Another similar thread here for the keyword car insurance on a 3 week old domain.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...insurance.html

I think these sites will stick because they are on the higher PR index pages with most backlinks in their network.

[outwest]

How do you know the backlinks came from a pvt network?

[patrich]

Originally Posted by yukon

Another similar thread here for the keyword car insurance on a 3 week old domain.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...insurance.html

I think these sites will stick because they are on the higher PR index pages with most backlinks in their network.

Yukon, the links won't stick on the homepage. They roll off anywhere from 24 to 76 hours usually. If you hit the network on the weekends they have a longer life span on the hp.

Unless you pay to have them stickied, in which case he has to pay for each article to be stickied on each site and its an additional fee. I looked at a few and they were not, looks like a couple have already rolled off.

[patrich]

Originally Posted by outwest

How do you know the backlinks came from a pvt network?

Because seo is what I do to make a living. Therefor, its in my best interest as a business professional to know what networks and services are out there, what their policies are, how much they cost and how well they work.

Every time a new network or service hits the market I test it, regardless of how much it costs. I have used or currently use, every thing this site is using to get their rankings, based on a brief analysis of his backlink profile..

[outwest]

Originally Posted by patrich

Because seo is what I do to make a living. Therefor, its in my best interest as a business professional to know what networks and services are out there, what their policies are, how much they cost and how well they work.

Every time a new network or service hits the market I test it, regardless of how much it costs. I have used or currently use, every thing this site is using to get their rankings, based on a brief analysis of his backlink profile..

thanks
so its a closed network that costs 200 bucks a month IF They let you in?

how many BL did he get from that network In your opinion? all of the 8000?

[JSProjects]

Originally Posted by SiteSmarty

- lots of info on the front page
- spammed the comments
- lots of backlinks, fast

Initially it looks like great content to Google. It happens to a lot of sites that are over optimized. It won't last, unless they keep the content coming, get organic traffic and continue backlinking.

This.

Heck, I've seen people build entire businesses around this model. Target highly searched niche's / up and coming trends, heavily optimize their site for the keyword, and spam the crap out of it. By the time Google catches on they will have already moved onto something else.

This works best with "trending" niches though.

[patrich]

Originally Posted by outwest

thanks
so its a closed network that costs 200 bucks a month IF They let you in?

how many BL did he get from that network In your opinion? all of the 8000?

A couple hundred at most. Most of the .info's in his backlink profile look like they come from Seo Ultimate Network (there are a couple other networks that use .info's also) and then either BMR or Linkvana for many of the others.

I would also guess that he used either a few Fiverr blog network submission gigs or some blog network submission services from forums like this one.

[patrich]

Originally Posted by JSProjects

This.

Heck, I've seen people build entire businesses around this model. Target highly searched niche's / up and coming trends, heavily optimize their site for the keyword, and spam the crap out of it. By the time Google catches on they will have already moved onto something else.

This works best with "trending" niches though.

Yeah its a business model that can pay the bills, but I prefer long standing sites that earn money over and over, especially if I was going to go through all of the effort to rank for a search term like this one.

I don't think the site would be deindexed however, in this case. But I do think it will bounce around a bit as all of the links settle to the inner pages of the blogs.

[outwest]

I bet he isnt doing mass profile backlink blasts
those are notorious for lowering your rankings now. (post panda)

[alimulyadi]

Since the site only gets 1 type of backlink, I believe it won't stick to its position too long.

[GossipCrunch]

This website will do a killing with GA I believe.

[Habbakuk]

They have a lot of links from homepage websites. Domain age doesn't make a bit of difference.

[junne]

I don't understand how hereshowtoloseweightfast.com got pr 6 in very less time.
ranking might be from backlink power but what about PR.

[carinsuranceh]

Do you guys have too small balls to DO IT YOURSELF and you need to publish other sites to get them burned? You feel better when you kill someones business?

[Mr Lim]

Originally Posted by Hamza

Hey guys,

I was doing keyword research and I checked the first page for this keyword

how to lose weight fast

And to my surprise, the site ranking on the first spot is only 2 months old the domain was registered in july !

The keyword is getting 130k+ exact local searches per month ! ! ! and the copitition is so damn hard,

I know people with a 5 figures SEO budget and they didn't get to the first SPOT of competitive keywords this fast,

Can someone please give me a logical explanation of what's going on ?

Thanks you
Hamza

It feel more like a spam tactic to me, I notice there's aren't any likes from facebook.

Perhaps the picture, the content h1 h2 h3 tag, blahblah are all were filled up with his main keyword.

I'm sure he is using artificial tactic to rule the #1.

Don't think it will remain any longer, feels like a short term of #1.

Originally Posted by junne

I don't understand how hereshowtoloseweightfast.com got pr 6 in very less time.
ranking might be from backlink power but what about PR.

Pagerank are really random, Google might found that this is unique and wow!!


I'd had a site ranked and got it's PR level #4 within one month time.

[Apollo-Articles]

Maybe they are the same people behind:

Internet Marketing Company | SEO Services | Website Marketing Agency

Since they link to them on the home page using the anchor text "seo services" about 2 thirds down. I've never heard of them, but they seem to have some impressive ranking examples.

Sam

[Hardik Jogi]

Originally Posted by junne

I don't understand how hereshowtoloseweightfast.com got pr 6 in very less time.
ranking might be from backlink power but what about PR.

They got pr6 due to 301 redirect. Check

kanyadatours.com - pr6 - redirected to their website - very old technique to get a high pr within 2 weeks.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by GossipCrunch

This website will do a killing with GA I believe.

what is GA

[marksmit]

You can get lots of advertising of selling links. Get 100 PR 5+ links or something like that. I think its webmaster purchased link from other websites. (Huge invest)

[IM Ash]

Wow, I would be pissed off if this were my site and it was been ripped apart on a public SEO forum. I think it will be prudent when you find an anomaly in the SERPs to do your own research into what the site is doing instead of making it public... this is how you uncover the golden nuggets!

[mytoy78]

I have a concern, which is that if people are able to manipulate the search engine this easily with the use of high pr pages, won't it be just a matter of time until the G Masters change their algortithm to relfect this?

I use 'Build My Rank' for lots of my sites and they are all fundamentally based on this idea...

[dutreksnepal]

i am trying This keyword: Trekking in Nepal Since two months

for my site: treksguide.com

Anyone give me suggestions?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by yukon

Another similar thread here for the keyword car insurance on a 3 week old domain.

I think these sites will stick because they are on the higher PR index pages with most backlinks in their network.

You are wrong. The car insurance site has no chance of sticking around if its goal is to get any real traffic. Its presently on the second page. Once it goes for the front page it will be tanked probably less than 60-90 days.

[georgehofmann]

So is it good in the long run to have high pr back links or will google just dell with that to?