Neesh! It's pronounced Neesh!

Kenster 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

I'm more perplexed by Favre being pronounced "Farve". :p

Or colonel being pronounced kernel....like really?
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CurtisN

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

I'm more perplexed by Favre being pronounced "Farve". :p

Another mind-boggler, this time from hockey:

Byfuglien being pronounced "bufflin". Apparently, it's supposed to be something like BEE-foo-GLEE-in.

English speakers, or perhaps just North American English speakers, or perhaps even just Americans, would seem to pronounce certain words in "strange" ways simply because it's too difficult to pronounce them properly.

"Soddering" iron is a weird one.

"Entreprenoor" is one that bugs me a little

"Or Derve"

And the worst one of all, imo:
"Noder Dame".

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by CurtisN

Another mind-boggler, this time from hockey:

Byfuglien being pronounced "bufflin". Apparently, it's supposed to be something like BEE-foo-GLEE-in.

English speakers, or perhaps just North American English speakers, or perhaps even just Americans, would seem to pronounce certain words in "strange" ways simply because it's too difficult to pronounce them properly.

"Soddering" iron is a weird one.

"Entreprenoor" is one that bugs me a little

"Or Derve"

And the worst one of all, imo:
"Noder Dame".

SOLDERING IRON FUNNY, I just listened to the CLEAR voice of a woman that sounded BRITISH say it as I do!

On the same site: entrepreneur - definition of entrepreneur, by Macmillan Dictionary: Free English Dictionary Online and Thesaurus.

A british man said entreprenuer the same way I do!

notre dame is an odd one. Sometimes the tre is pronounced like ter and the a in dame is LONG. But Americans know the proper way is the french way.

Hors d'Oeuvres? I do pronounce it correctly. Again, the FRENCH way! Granted, the r is longer, and the o harder, but I doubt you are much different. You would start sounding FRENCH.

OH WELL...

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cosmoslad

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

I'm more perplexed by Favre being pronounced "Farve". :p

I'm just perplexed about Favre-period.

Are you sure it's not pronounced Neeshay? Or Neeshee?

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Steve,

To Effect an outcome is a bad way of saying to create an outcome.

No, it's not. It is a correct and precise way to communicate the idea. It is also one of my favorite wombat traps.

As far as pronunication, I say "nitch," but I do not argue with anyone who uses one of the alternative pronunciations. All 3 are correct. But then, I tend to remember the distinction between "different" and "worse." Grammar cops rarely do.

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Steve,No, it's not. It is a correct and precise way to communicate the idea. It is also one of my favorite wombat traps.

As far as pronunication, I say "nitch," but I do not argue with anyone who uses one of the alternative pronunciations. All 3 are correct. But then, I tend to remember the distinction between "different" and "worse." Grammar cops rarely do.

Paul

OK, I guess you and I are oretty much the same here. Sorry if we disagree on effect in that way. And are you calling me a wombat? 8-( I don't like the akronym, and I don't look like:

HEY, I never said neesh was wrong. It would be dumb to do so. Like you, I said that they were correct in their given areas. If someone here says neesh, I'm not going to say it is wrong. But a number of people may understand it ONLY by context. And seriously, right or wrong, the first goal of language is to be understood.

Maybe they don't want to let on that they know the difference between different and worse. In some circumstances, one will give more wiggle room than the other. 8-(

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Rough Outline 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I pronounce it nitch.

If you have a problem with that, take it up with Wombat police.

Sheesh.

Or is that schitch?

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Kelly Verge

16 years ago

Niche | Define Niche at Dictionary.com

None cited show "neesh" as the primary pronunciation. If it's shown at all, it's as an alternate pronunciation.

(Personally, when someone says either "nitch" or "neesh" I know what they're talking about.)

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seasoned

16 years ago

I will say neesh if in britain or france! OTHERWISE, it is NITCH!!!!!

SORRY!

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Kay King 16 years ago

It's correct whether pronounced as

neesh
nish
nitch

So do what you want and don't worry how others say it.
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CurtisN

16 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I will say neesh if in britain or france! OTHERWISE, it is NITCH!!!!!

SORRY!

Steve

Don't forget Canada

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seasoned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by CurtisN

Don't forget Canada

OKay..... I imagine the FRENCH canadians say NEESH, do the ENGLISH speaking canadians ALSO say neesh?

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- Lawrh 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by seasoned
  
  OKay..... I imagine the FRENCH canadians say NEESH, do the ENGLISH speaking canadians ALSO say neesh?
  
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thunderbird

16 years ago

Originally Posted by CurtisN

Don't forget Canada

Canada, the country where you have to weigh everything in both kilos and pounds.

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CurtisN

16 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Canada, the country where you have to weigh everything in both kilos and pounds.

How's the weather like outside? A comfy 21 degrees.

How tall are you? 5'10''.

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JDArchitecture

16 years ago

Here's one that drives me nuts.

The popular site EzineArticles is pronounced with a long I by many, but actually, it should be a long E.

Ezine is derived from electronic magazine.

I doubt any of you say magazine with a long I.

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by JDArchitecture

Here's one that drives me nuts.

The popular site EzineArticles is pronounced with a long I by many, but actually, it should be a long E.

Ezine is derived from electronic magazine.

I doubt any of you say magazine with a long I.

WOW, even the FRENCH don't use a long I!

Steve

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

No need to be sorry, Steve, but you might like to know that it's actually pronounced "neesh" in all the rest of the world apart from the US, not just in Britain and France.

I have absolutely no problem with it being pronounced "nitch" in America and don't know what the fuss is about, myself: loads of words are pronounced differently in America from other countries.

HEY, who is to say WHAT is correct? And NO, the rest of the world does *****NOT***** pronounce it neesh! Go to deepest africa, narious parts(perhaops nearly all) of india, germany, etc... they may not know what neesh means, OR how to pronounce it.

And HERE are some words, phonetically written. I probably mentioned it here before, but PLEASE tell me what the speaking culture wants them to mean in English. HERE are TWO hints! The culture in part PRIDES itself on "speaking english", and was under british rule.

OK, ready? HERE IT GOES!

NET
CASHY
DATA-MINING
IMPROVISING

I could specify many more, but this is a start. PLEASE, only BRITISH or CANADIANS, if you want, need answer! I will give you the answers later. OH YEAH, one more hint. DTAA-MINING does NOT mean "DATAMINING". And Improvising does NOT mean improvising. This MIGHT be a mistake but, if so, it has picked up a LOT of steam! NOPE, THAT would be too easy, huh?

BTW Sorry was a bit in your face, and sarcastic, rather than an apology.

Steve

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Lawrh

16 years ago

Americans do not speak English, they speak American. Just accept it and move on.

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seasoned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Lawrh

Americans do not speak English, they speak American. Just accept it and move on.

Well, The BRITISH don't speak English either! They speak BRITISH! I mean look at old documents, etc... The british dialect has changed, and IS changing, ALSO!

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KenThompson 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Lawrh

Americans do not speak English, they speak American. Just accept it and move on.

Lawrence,

The entire world speaks American. Dontchaknow...

By the way, are you a French Canadian Samurai?

You know, that would explain the French bun. Ah, it's
all coming together now.

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Rough Outline

16 years ago

Niché (like most words) originates in France, I just hate it when people butcher other languages words that we've adopted, this isn't an anti-american thread by the way.

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rough Outline Writing

Niché (like most words) originates in France, I just hate it when people butcher other languages words that we've adopted, this isn't an anti-american thread by the way.

YEAH, I even said, if I were in FRANCE, I would say NEESH. Many words I DO pronounce like french, because I was TAUGHT to do so like 40+ years ago. Some of those today I feel are often butchered. I'm sure the same is true of britain.

Steve

And yeah, it's not an anti-british thread either.

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HeySal

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rough Outline Writing

Niché (like most words) originates in France, I just hate it when people butcher other languages words that we've adopted, this isn't an anti-american thread by the way.

You're going to find yourself very upset very often then. Most languages have a vast amount of words from other cultures which have infiltrated their languages and subsequently the phonetics variegated to reflect the dialect of the regions in which the words are used. You aren't going to find a "pure" language. Even within the same country you will find dialects of the same language.

You are getting upset about something that goes completely against how the human brain works. Neesh may sound more exotic because it is a retained form of a French language -- but it's no less functional in it's Americanized form.

I would suggest that maybe it is time to wonder if there aren't more constructive issues to be annoyed about.

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Frank Donovan 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rough Outline Writing

Niché (like most words) originates in France (my bold)

Most words? Maybe in your vocabulary.:rolleyes:

The original French word was nicher (not niché) meaning "recess" or "make a nest". But even that was based on the earlier Latin word for nest, nidus. (source: Oxford English Dictionary)

So how old, in your opinion, does a word have to be before we're allowed to assimilate its pronunciation into our own dialect?

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JDArchitecture 16 years ago

I just hate it when people butcher other languages words that we've adopted, this isn't an anti-american thread by the way.

I'm sure we can come up with plenty of words that the hoity-toity Brits butcher.

Niche | Define Niche at Dictionary.com
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Kurt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rough Outline Writing

Niché (like most words) originates in France, I just hate it when people butcher other languages words that we've adopted, this isn't an anti-american thread by the way.

You are aware that the English language itself was created by a germanic tribe called the Jutes? Remember, England is named after the language, not the other way around.

Maybe we should ask the Jutes how they like your pronuciation of words?

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thunderbird

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rough Outline Writing

Am I only the only person in world who gets annoyed when people pronouce niché as nitch, when it's pronounced neesh?

I sure as heckadoodle have better things to get worried about than the myriad possible ways people may pronounce words in English. If I'm annoyed by anything, its judgmental people who feel its their role to nitpick over minutiae.

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Neil12 16 years ago

I always notice it, i gues it takes a bit of getting used to. I'm glad soemone mentioned it though, it was a bit of a white elphant for me but never had the heart to bring it up. Maybe someone could write a blog about it
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krackajackfoo

16 years ago

Think I'll start calling it nitché

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2stace

16 years ago

People have different accents and therefore say words differently.
There's no right or wrong way.

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seasoned

16 years ago

BTW I know a few languages, one is german. I have a few pet peaves with the english language myself, at least with people TODAY!

What about
angst? Pronounced WRONG on macmillan!
doppelganger? I WISH I couldd say she sounded british, but she didn't. Macmillan pronounced it WRONG!!!!!!!

OH, I bet I could come up with a LOT!

BTW knives comes from the danish kniver. Apparently, they have traced it and kniver is, to the best of my knowledge, the ONLY similar noun. You know why it starts with K? It is NOT silent! 8-) ON YEAH, the i sounds like ee as in beet! What probably happened was they decided the K was superfluous. The er generally becomes es in english! SO, to kniver became two knives. Of course, the standard rule is that such a pattern means the preceding vowel is LONG. So that makes one n-eye-v and that sounds a LOT like n-eye-f which happened because of error or convenience.

And I have made a LOT of mistakes in German finding that THEY were correct ALSO! So some GERMANS make mistakes and they become part of the language. Like the English swap and swop.

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KimW

16 years ago

nitch,neesh?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhh.

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Am I only the only person in world who gets annoyed when people pronouce niché as nitch, when it's pronounced neesh?

No. You would also not be the only one to claim that it was wrong to suggest that someone was able to effect an outcome.

[sigh] Dog save us from aggressive wombats...

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seasoned

16 years ago

To Effect an outcome is a bad way of saying to create an outcome. Granted, people USUALLY mean AFFECT(to change), but who can say!?!?!?

Dictionary.com says:

–verb (used with object)
10. to produce as an effect; bring about; accomplish; make happen: The new machines finally effected the transition to computerized accounting last spring.

Oh well, I have heard some british that sounds NICE, high class, etc...(both accent and phrasing) and I have heard some british that sounds like it is from a gutter, etc... AND,. though some might not put it so bluntly, even the BRITISH feel the same. And THAT is still "british". Hey, I like some American accents and hate others. It goes all around.

And nobody tried to decode #25 yet? COME ON! I mean you guys talk like the US is so bad. We don't even have what they consider an official language! The culture I refered to in #25 has declared English to be an official language! You may doubt that when I tell you what it is, but it is the TRUTH! And I hear the word improvise ALL THE TIME! I hear datamining (out of context) ALL THE TIME! If they ONLY KNEW what they were REALLY saying to the Americans.

Paul,

I always pictured you as one that would be more likely to say nitch, or are you a brit or something. 8-/

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Andie

16 years ago

(just noting that Paul doesn't like his wombats to be aggressive....):p

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NEFTALI 16 years ago

N I T C H!

"he screamed as he charged over the hill with a sword in one hand and the stars and stripes in the other..."

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KenThompson

16 years ago

"... half a league, half a league, half a league onward. Into the valley of
death rode the mighty six hundred... with lances in hand... NITCH did they
thunder... "

Alfred Lord Tennyson

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PS - Or maybe it was Kennyson

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rondo

16 years ago

It's French and it rhymes with quiche.

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JDArchitecture 16 years ago

Originally Posted by rondo

It's French and it rhymes with quiche.

Kitsch....
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  Originally Posted by JDArchitecture
  
  Kitsch....
  
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Intrepreneur

16 years ago

It's nitch.

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JamesJeffery 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

It's nitch.

niche (nsh)

It's not nitch lol.
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JamesJeffery

16 years ago

I seen this so many times. I always say "Neesh". A lot of people say "Nitch" and it gets annoying lol.

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Steven Wagenheim 16 years ago

Who cares?

It's pronounced who cares.
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- Mark McClure 16 years ago
  
  OP,
  
  You could start a ROW in an empty house ;-)
  
  And please support a decent footie team... :-)
  
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  Originally Posted by Mark McClure
  
  OP,
  
  You could start a ROW in an empty house ;-)
  
  And please support a decent footie team... :-)
  
  Lights fuse, stands well back.
  
  I'd love to but I'm gonna toss the bait back, you'll need to do better than that to get a big haul off me
  
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Alan Petersen

16 years ago

Good gravy must this be "debated" every 3 months...

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...word-nich.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...hing-else.html

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Ernie Lo

16 years ago

Sorry but real men don't say neesh

I find it very annoying.

Not that "nitch" sounds much better...they are both bad sounding words!

But really who cares.

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Kenster

16 years ago

At the end of the day if people know what you mean, thats the point of communication. Who cares how its pronounced...as long as the receiver understands what you mean.

There are much better things to worry about I guess...like what Paris Hilton is doing these days :confused: jk

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jacktackett 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

There are much better things to worry about I guess...like what Paris Hilton is doing these days :confused: jk

Now there's a NITCH! or did I misspell it?
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- Kenster 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jacktackett
  
  Now there's a NITCH! or did I misspell it?
  
  OOOMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGG Spell it Correctly!
  
  Grrrrrr...just playing
  
  By the way, it is a good niche but something I dont understand at all. Who really cares what she is doing. Millions do but why? I dont get it and never will.
  
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Patrician

16 years ago

Niche is pronounced NITCH.

... although I admit quiche is pronounced quiche and not quitch.

can't explain why.

Took me a week of seeing this topic Neesh! It's pronounced Neesh! before I realized what it is about...

see - if you pronounce neesh it would be spelled neesh.

eeeeeeshhhh

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Rough Outline

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

Niche is pronounced NITCH.

... although I admit quiche is pronounced quiche and not quitch.

can't explain why.

Took me a week of seeing this topic Neesh! It's pronounced Neesh! before I realized what it is about...

see - if you pronounce neesh it would be spelled neesh.

eeeeeeshhhh

I just don't get why people add a 't' sound to it.

Also, how do you pronounce gnome?

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seasoned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rough Outline Writing

I just don't get why people add a 't' sound to it.

Also, how do you pronounce gnome?

grommet!

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  Originally Posted by seasoned
  
  grommet!
  
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  seasoned 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rough Outline Writing
  
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  OK, I MEANT to add I was KIDDING! You asked, and said we always added a T, and it was the FIRST word I thought of. I don't know WHY, I haven't done anything with them in well over a decade, but I was just KIDDING!
  
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Patrician 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rough Outline Writing

I just don't get why people add a 't' sound to it.

Also, how do you pronounce gnome?

gnome is said NOME and gnat is said NAT - silent G

I don't get why either, but we speak American English and maybe 'niche' is French? I am pretty sure 'quiche' is.

... and 'real men do not eat quiche'

hehehehe unless their wives or mommies make them do it.

yes it still makes no sense why we say NITCH and not NEESH - we just do.

(to be fair and mostly so I don't get embarrassed when someone thinks I am illiterate, if I am speaking to a group I will say 'Nitch or Neesh, depending on where you are from'.)

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