New Warrior Special Offer (WSO) Rules

by Alaister 370 replies
Hi everyone,

We have decided to completely rewrite the rules for our Warrior Special Offer marketplace. We are focusing on building a high quality marketplace with special deals for our community that can not be found elsewhere.

Please make sure you read all of the new rules before posting your WSO. All new offers will be moderated based on these new rules.

Some notable changes include:

Rule #3: Free Offers

If your product is free, then this is to be posted in the Warrior Forum Classified Ads sub-forum.

Rule #16: Buy Buttons Must Be Present

To sell a WSO in the WSO Section of the forum, your offer must have a Buy Button that takes the user to a checkout. This link cannot take the user to your website, an order form or an opt-in page.

This rule does not apply to other sections, such as Warriors for Hire or Classified Ads.

Rule #17: Income Claims & Guarantees

Sellers that make income claims may be asked to provide proof of income prior to their offer being approved. Sellers are strictly prohibited from offering income guarantees. This will be strictly enforced to protect the Warrior community.

Rule #23: Warrior Forum trademark

Sellers are not to use the Warrior Forum logo, branding or name in their sales copy. The name of your product should not imply that the product is affiliated with the Warrior Forum in any way.

Examples include using the Warrior Forum logo in sales copy or including the word "Warrior" in the product title.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post


    Rule #23: Warrior Forum trademark

    Sellers are not to use the Warrior Forum logo, branding or name in their sales copy. The name of your product should not imply that the product is affiliated with the Warrior Forum in any way.

    Examples include using the Warrior Forum logo in sales copy or including the word "Warrior" in the product title.
    Please clarify concerning the Warrior Forum's High Voltage Video Forum.
    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Please clarify concerning the Warrior Forum's High Voltage Video Forum.
      Hi Kurt,

      These rules apply to the WSO marketplace forums. The purpose of Rule #23 is to prevent people from misleading buyers by using the Warrior Forum name.

      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Good stuff and congrats on doing this so swiftly Alaister.

      I think we could do with some clarification on the "may" part of the above rule. As in the circumstances where proof is more likely to be asked for and where it is less likely to be asked for. Also what kind of proof - given that screen shots of bank accounts etc are notorious in MMO offers and often fake.
      Hi Mike,

      In regards to this we'll be judging the quality of the offers and focusing on presenting value to the community. If there is a great product and offer where the seller does provide income claims we'll ask them for some sort of proof in order to verify it and protect buyers as much as possible.

      At times income claims when backed up with proof is important when trying to sell certain products.

      In terms of the actual proof, the onus is on the seller to provide sufficient evidence for the offer to be approved. As you mentioned screenshots can be faked so we'll definitely be looking at them closely. When we do decide to approve an offer with an income claim, we'll clearly state the sort of proof that was provided by the seller and it's still up to the buyer whether they want to proceed to purchase or not.

      The point of this is to prevent sellers trying to artificially generate hype around their product with unverified or even falsified claims. Income guarantees or promises of any sort will not be allowed. An example of this would be a headline like "How you can make $10,000+ in the next 7 days".
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post


    Rule #17: Income Claims & Guarantees

    Sellers that make income claims may be asked to provide proof of income prior to their offer being approved.
    Good stuff and congrats on doing this so swiftly Alaister.

    I think we could do with some clarification on the "may" part of the above rule. As in the circumstances where proof is more likely to be asked for and where it is less likely to be asked for. Also what kind of proof - given that screen shots of bank accounts etc are notorious in MMO offers and often fake.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Regarding #10 - paid video testimonials, does that include written ones as well?

    Last week there was a mention that blind offers were disallowed but I didn't see anything where that was mentioned. I know that it will be hard to explain offers in some cases without giving the secret/process away, but in many cases of blind copy the results are not good because the buyers get something they would never have bought if they had known.

    Mark
    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Regarding #10 - paid video testimonials, does that include written ones as well?

      Last week there was a mention that blind offers were disallowed but I didn't see anything where that was mentioned. I know that it will be hard to explain offers in some cases without giving the secret/process away, but in many cases of blind copy the results are not good because the buyers get something they would never have bought if they had known.

      Mark
      Hi Mark,

      Yeh this is a good point. This rule will apply to both written and video testimonials. I'll make the change now.

      Blind ads are addressed in rule #20.

      Rule #20: No Blind Ads

      Sellers must not post blind ads. This is an ad where you advise what the product is not rather than what it is. Your product should be clearly understood by both moderators and members.
  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Rule #7: No File Sharing

    If you have purchased a product, you are not permitted to share, reproduce or sell the product, or part thereof, without the seller’s explicit consent.
    One of the reasons Allen previously recommended to NOT give out review copies is because they wound up being shared. So maybe this also needs to include products received as a review?

    Of course, it's hard to track these things down but it wouldn't be good for some know-it-all to claim the WF doesn't have a rule against sharing review copies - only paid copies.

    Mark
    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      One of the reasons Allen previously recommended to NOT give out review copies is because they wound up being shared. So maybe this also needs to include products received as a review?

      Of course, it's hard to track these things down but it wouldn't be good for some know-it-all to claim the WF doesn't have a rule against sharing review copies - only paid copies.

      Mark
      Yeh this rule definitely applies to review copies also. I'll edit that now.
  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Some very positive changes. Thanks.
  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    Can one use the acronym WSO in one's product title?
    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by barbling View Post

      Can one use the acronym WSO in one's product title?
      In most cases this won't be allowed, however each offer will be assessed on a case by case basis.
  • Profile picture of the author jkennedy
    Great changes! Two questions:

    1. If we already have some free WSOs out there, do we need to either add a buy button (with a price) or do we need to pay the $20 for re-listing in classifieds.. or do you guys plan to move all free WSOs to their proper sub forum?

    2. Some of the clearly defined previous text was removed in that WSO products must be created by the seller or a partner of the seller and are 100% unique to the seller. The way it reads now someone could argue that they edited some PLR to "make it their own". I just thought this might could use some further clarification.
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    A standard classified ad is $20. It's $100 if you want it "pinned" at the top for a while.
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    • Profile picture of the author jkennedy
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      A standard classified ad is $20. It's $100 if you want it "pinned" at the top for a while.
      Thanks, change reflected. Not sure how I did that haha.
    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The purpose of Rule #23 is to prevent people from misleading buyers by using the Warrior Forum name.
      Does this mean no more "WSO of the Day", "WSO of the week/month/quarter", "named best WSO" ...etc? That has been deceptive for members here for quite some time.

      Some really positive changes in the new rules. It's obvious FL put a lot of thought into the new requirements and I think they'll help resurrect the WSO section.

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  • Profile picture of the author danieljb
    1. If we already have some free WSOs out there, do we need to either add a buy button (with a price) or do we need to pay the $20 for re-listing in classifieds.. or do you guys plan to move all free WSOs to their proper sub forum?
    To remain in the WSO Marketplace the WSO must abide by all rules, including to be a paid offer and to have a buy button. In the coming weeks, free offers will be moved to the Classified Ads. Sellers do not need to pay a re-listing fee.

    2. Some of the clearly defined previous text was removed in that WSO products must be created by the seller or a partner of the seller and are 100% unique to the seller. The way it reads now someone could argue that they edited some PLR to "make it their own". I just thought this might could use some further clarification.
    This is part of the overarching Moderator's Discretion rule mentioned in the introduction, but we'll make this clearer. Such offers like you mentioned have no place in the WSO Marketplace. Where appropriate we'll ask the seller to provide a copy of the product for evaluation.

    Does this mean no more "WSO of the Day", "WSO of the week/month/quarter", "named best WSO" ...etc? That has been deceptive for members here for quite some time.
    Exactly right. The only time such "WSO of the {Day|Week|Month|Year|Decade}" can be used is when it has been awarded by the Warrior Forum. External parties are not authorised and have no place implying that we endorse a WSO that we have no affiliation with.

    Yes, I understand that. However, my question was about a specific situation concerning the WARRIOR FORUM High Voltage Video forum.

    The "letter" of the rule says calling it the WARRIOR FORUM would be against the rules. However, I believe the "intent" of the rule would be that it's OK to use "Warrior" since it is a Warrior Forum Forum....
    The Warrior Forum High Voltage Forum is part of the Warrior Forum and we don't consider it a WSO. In this example, you have nothing to worry about it and nothing that requires changing. Hope that this makes it clearer.

    By "looking at them closely" do you mean you'll visually inspect the actual screenshots closely to detect fraud, or something else?

    I ask because screenshots and videos can be faked in ways that are undetectable to visual inspection. There aren't many ways to provide proof I can think of that couldn't be easily faked, and of those I can think of, most aren't likely to be something many will want to do.
    We are being very strict with these. We'll inspect them all visually and where appropriate ask the seller for further proof. If the seller does not want to provide this proof then he or she will not be permitted to make the claim.

    We will be rolling these out to existing offers over the next few weeks, but they do apply to all new offers being submitted.
    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by danieljb View Post


      The Warrior Forum High Voltage Forum is part of the Warrior Forum and we don't consider it a WSO. In this example, you have nothing to worry about it and nothing that requires changing. Hope that this makes it clearer.
      Actually, the High Voltage forum has a WSO thread. Part of the agreement I had with Allen was that the WSO would be bumped automatically, the same with the Kindle forum. However, when you guys took over, you removed the auto-bump for these two Warrior Forum WSOs.
    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by danieljb View Post

      Where appropriate we'll ask the seller to provide a copy of the product for evaluation.
      I'd be interested to know how a moderator who knows nothing about pay-per-click marketing, for example, will evaluate a product about that topic.

      The "pay-per-click" example could be anything (list building, SEO, video marketing, etc.). Are you going to have an expert in each topic on staff? Otherwise how can someone evaluate the quality of something they know nothing about?

      This raises another question. Suppose a moderator reviews a product and approves it. Can the seller say "moderator reviewed and approved" in his sales copy?
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  • Profile picture of the author JNAssociates
    You saved the forums. Literally. These changes needed to be made. Bravo.
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