I'm So Frustrated With Cpa Methods !!!

by iamx
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Man I joined WOF because of all the good things I've heard. But seems like everywhere i go on this forum everyone and their momma is trying to sell me the next best cpa course! I was doing cpa offers on youtube for about 2 months with hundreds of videos. I get maybe 10-15 views on my offer a day but NO conversions!!

I mean sure i could make an easy email submit offer for them to fill out but why seattle for a dollars and some change? The only time I've made a couple of sales was direct linking offers on search engines, but I was losing more than I was making!

I havent met anybody cool enough here that has told me ''look this is how i make money on here with cpa offers read this ebook these methods worked for me'' Instead I fee like i get a pat on the back and a goodluck from alot of people on here.

Can any of the warriors help me? I'm so frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author mariochase
    CPA is pretty much implementing and testing. It's not easy to find a cheap/quality traffic source for campaings. And you have to always be tweeking your campaing to make more money.

    If you really want to invest in that area.. you must have a lot of cash. At least $500 to start.. and probably you won't make all $500 back.

    Take a look at some sites around.. and don't bother buying CPA ebooks, they all pretty much suck and tell you things that probably 1000 of people are already doing without success.

    CPA it's not easy, if you want to invest in PPC put money on it.. and you are probably going to lose a lot of cash on PPC, before you can find something that converts. There is no method that I know that guarantees otherwise.

    And nobody is going to tell you exactly how they are making money. If they do they would be creating competition for them in the CPA market. And that is not what they want... and trust me, most peole selling this CPA ebooks are not making as much money as you think they are.

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    • Profile picture of the author Flaura78
      Originally Posted by mariochase View Post


      CPA it's not easy, if you want to invest in PPC put money on it.. and you are probably going to lose a lot of cash on PPC, before you can find something that converts. There is no method that I know that guarantees otherwise.

      And nobody is going to tell you exactly how they are making money. If they do they would be creating competition for them in the CPA market. And that is not what they want... and trust me, most peole selling this CPA ebooks are not making as much money as you think they are.

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      Make Money Online with Super Affiliate Jonathan Volk

      I agree. They will leave something out if not more the links between the steps. Some guys are honest and good, but the best way to learn CPA marketing is testing and tweaking your own marketing methods.
      I mean I am not feeling comfortable with some methods, and not even doing them, even if people are making thousands a day using them. But if you track your results, weed out the offers that don't convert or just tweak them and duplicating the advertising on the ones that convert, you are on the way to success. A bit time-consuming method, but saves you from disappointment and spending money on things that would possibly not work for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tannerews80
      I agree. Well said
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorbg
      Originally Posted by mariochase View Post

      CPA is pretty much implementing and testing. It's not easy to find a cheap/quality traffic source for campaings. And you have to always be tweeking your campaing to make more money.

      If you really want to invest in that area.. you must have a lot of cash. At least $500 to start.. and probably you won't make all $500 back.

      Take a look at some sites around.. and don't bother buying CPA ebooks, they all pretty much suck and tell you things that probably 1000 of people are already doing without success.

      CPA it's not easy, if you want to invest in PPC put money on it.. and you are probably going to lose a lot of cash on PPC, before you can find something that converts. There is no method that I know that guarantees otherwise.

      And nobody is going to tell you exactly how they are making money. If they do they would be creating competition for them in the CPA market. And that is not what they want... and trust me, most peole selling this CPA ebooks are not making as much money as you think they are.

      Blogs to check out:
      Cash Tactics | The Internet Marketing Blog
      CDF Networks
      Confessions Of A Super Duper Affiliate
      Make Money Online with Super Affiliate Jonathan Volk

      Very very very wise thought !!! I agree completely
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by iamx View Post

    Man I joined WOF because of all the good things I've heard. But seems like everywhere i go on this forum everyone and their momma is trying to sell me the next best cpa course! I was doing cpa offers on youtube for about 2 months with hundreds of videos. I get maybe 10-15 views on my offer a day but NO conversions!!

    I mean sure i could make an easy email submit offer for them to fill out but why seattle for a dollars and some change? The only time I've made a couple of sales was direct linking offers on search engines, but I was losing more than I was making!

    I havent met anybody cool enough here that has told me ''look this is how i make money on here with cpa offers read this ebook these methods worked for me'' Instead I fee like i get a pat on the back and a goodluck from alot of people on here.

    Can any of the warriors help me? I'm so frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused:
    CPA is a type of offer, not a method

    I know several people making tons of money with e-mail submits, it's about volume

    Better question - what have you tried already?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    I think there is a common perception that the people making money with CPA have something secret they are doing, in general thats not true at all. In general, every single method you hear about, every single traffic source there is, every single strategy can make you money with CPA offers.

    There are people making a killing from just videos, other people making a killing from just articles, or just ppc, or media buying, or classifieds, or whatever. So, all these methods you are hearing about DO WORK. Now the tough part is that CPA marketing and building a campaign isnt like opening a LEGO set and just following the directions to put together the LEGO AIRPLANE. When building a campaign you cant just open up a set of directions, have all the pieces in front of you, and then just follow the steps and become a millionaire. Each campaign is different, there are different hurdles, different challenges, different keywords, different competitors. So I can tell you exactly how I built my last campaign and you can still make 0 money if you replicate exactly what I do. Why, because there is undoubtedly going to be something different that comes up and unless you solve or work around it, you will probably just get stuck and not make a dime.

    Here is my suggestion...

    Dont buy any more products, most methods in the CPA products work, and you already have enough products so you have enough methods to start going. Now, focus on a method and MAKE IT WORK. There are going to be things you dont know at first. Guess what, there are things that are unfamiliar and challenges that the people making $50,000 per day have to make as well. So just focus on a method and solve the challenges.

    Setting up a campaign is not a paint by numbers, its an art and mindset more than it is a science. If you want to give up at every hurdle you face, then in all honesty, this industry probably isnt for you. Its a changing, living, breathing, industry and you will always have to make decisions and conquer hurdles.


    Sorry if I sound a bit harsh here. I want to help you but the best way for anybody to get ahead is to not complain that something doesnt work, its to make it work. Knowing that people are making a killing with every traffic source shold help motivate you a little. Dont give up.



    Now, as I said, dont buy any more products, spend all your time from now on into building campaigns and trying different things. It only takes one tiny success or glimpse of hope to give you the seed to start and build a huge and successful CPA business.
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    • Profile picture of the author iamx
      As always I get another pat on the back and a goodluck lolz
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      • Profile picture of the author socomplete
        Originally Posted by iamx View Post

        As always I get another pat on the back and a goodluck lolz
        Here is my advice, I've been doing CPA marketing for A while and it really does come down to volume and testing. I'm just starting to learn some things that are working. Have you tried PPC >> CPA? If you do track everything and then be willing to invest to see results. I understand your frustration, the beauty is that you don't have to sale anything to make money with CPA. Keep going and don't buy anymore ebooks and test offers that you feel you can promote, and once your successful keep doing it over and over again until your successful, that's all I can think of.
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      • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
        Originally Posted by iamx View Post

        As always I get another pat on the back and a goodluck lolz
        As much as we would like to help, perhaps you expect too much?

        It is unlikely that someone is going to give you their successful CPA campaign. Too much effort is involved, why should someone give their strategy to you?

        Others have told you already, but you are not understanding. Perhaps you don't understand the business.

        There is no one path to success, there are many. There is no one-size fits all, there are many sizes to fit many people.

        I'll explain here....

        A successful CPA campaign involves so many things and any of them can be variable, any of them can change every day. You have to be flexible.

        Here is one example, a possible scenario..

        Traffic --> Click on Advert --> Landing page Click to --> CPA Offer

        Here is another

        Traffic --> Landing page Click to --> CPA Offer

        Now every one of those steps can have 150 different way of achieving the result you want, but not all of them are equally good at any time. Some work better on certain adverts, some work better on certain traffic types, some involve cost and risk, some involve skill with graphics or ad-copy skills, or programming, or negotiating for ad space. Some work better for certain people who have certain personalities or skill-sets. So many variables!

        For sure I'm not going to write 10 articles a day, if someone tells me thats how to do CPA. You may not be willing to set up the large number of websites with the many tens of thousands of web pages that I have. You may not be interested in spending thousands of dollars a day on advertising as some people do with their CPA campaigns. None of these are necessary, but someone has found a way to succeed with all of those alternatives.

        I could tell you exactly what I'm doing to make money in one of my successful scenarios, but why would I invite the competition? What I have is my edge over the competition, I'm not going to give it away because I'd rather put food on my table.

        Already warriors have given you the components. You have to assemble them, and test them out to find what works best for you. Just the way everyone else has to.

        No-one can give you the holy grail, because your holy-grail is unique to your situation and skill-set. Stop asking others to give it to you.

        Get out there and find it yourself.
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        So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Sorry man, just trying to help. You will see here that this forum has a bunch of great warriors that give pats on the back, encouragement, and great methods and information out for free.

    You can soak in all the above and take action and make money or you can choose not to...up to you man
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  • Profile picture of the author MR.MOE
    I'm sorry but I just have to say everyone is been too nice and I think you need some roughin up. No one is gonna show you how to make money no one is gonna take you by the hand and put money in your pocket. If you want go get it. You try and try and try and fail and fail and fail till you get it right. Make money from your thinking. I learned that buying WSOs and getting people's help is only a fourth of making money the rest is you thinking out of the box and putting everything to action.

    Oh and no one is gonna be that cool if they were millionaires even if they where they probably helped other people and your gonna need to think out of the box.

    Sorry if I was a little harsh but its the truth. I think this is the real help right here. A WAKE UP CALL TO STOP COMPLAINING AND START DOING

    Moe
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
    I'm sorry if I'm being too simplistic, but the bottom line in cpa is TRAFFIC. The volume of people you put in front of your offer.

    Look traffic is what IM is all about. You could sell ice to Eskimos if you put enough Eskimos in front of your Ice offer.

    So figure out a way to drive lots of traffic, preferably FREE traffic .

    Its a very simple formula with ANYTHING online..........

    Traffic = Money

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  • Profile picture of the author iamx
    Easy guys, I dont want anybody to hold my hand when it comes to CPA. I guess I'm kinda of a softy and would help someone if they needed it. What I did want was someone to point me in the right place! Like a good ebook that ''works'' I've tried about 2 ebooks from here and had no luck!

    So you can see why I'm frustrated with all this.. Anybody willing to donate a good ebook that helped them alot???
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    You have to be passionate about this stuff. I mean really hungry. Because a lot of the work involved is a major pain in the arse. If you are not passionate enough, you will quickly lose interest.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Buy a course and do it. Don't half ass it and don't over think it. Just follow exactly what they tell you to do. Alot of guys buy an ebook or course and automatically skip the first parts and try to find the part where the magic secret is revealed. That's why they fail. They don't find it, then complain the ebook or course sucks blah blah blah.

    The "secret" is easy. If you want to make it work, out work your competition. If you've tried youtube and it kinda worked, so you then jumped to one other way and it kinda worked, then you simply have not failed enough. You need to fail a lot in order to succeed. Kobe Bryant has hit more game winning shots this season then any other NBA player, he's also TAKEN AND MISSED more game winning shots.

    So stop reading forums, stop jumping from one thing to the next, stop searching for the magic pill that marketers are insisting they have, (they don't). Just do it. If you've only done one or two campaigns, you've only scratched the surface of what you need to do to succeed. Do 1 or 2 per DAY. Pick ONE thing and do it 100% for a month. Don't get sidetracked, don't read anything else, just do that one thing. Yes you will fail but in failing you will have some success too.
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    • Profile picture of the author iamx
      I followed the ebooks but I never was able to get any conversions from the CPA offers I was blasting out there. I did learn how to get a boat load of traffic for free, but couldnt get the offers to convert! I'll keep testing more offers and see if I get lucky.
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      • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
        Originally Posted by iamx View Post

        I followed the ebooks but I never was able to get any conversions from the CPA offers I was blasting out there. I did learn how to get a boat load of traffic for free, but couldnt get the offers to convert! I'll keep testing more offers and see if I get lucky.
        Send your landing page, or advert, in a PM, I'll see if there are any obvious improvements to suggest.
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        So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    At the end of the day, I think most newbies or people that havent hit anythign gold yet underestimate the power of mindset in CPA marketing. Its not the most brilliant or techy people that make the most money, its the people that are driven and have a mindset that doesnt allow them quit, doesnt allow them give up at the first obstacle.

    Its such a mental game. PPC Coachs advice is great, take it, use it, implement it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    or if its not too secretive, just post it here for all us to make comments. Really dont like to see fellow New Jersians not doing well haha
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    • Profile picture of the author iamx
      Hell yeah Kenster you know how bad jobs have gottin in jerz right now! Alot of people I know are on umployment right now. I've read your ebook Kenster and I was already doing something like the Youtube method you described. What part of Jersey are you from Kenster? I'm from Central Jersey that 732 !!! =)
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      • Profile picture of the author socomplete
        Yeah... alot of people going through tough times, you can't ever give up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick Warrior
      Hey I live in carteret NJ for 20 years. Yea NJ
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      • Profile picture of the author TE2
        To the OP:

        I have to add my 2 cents here...

        First cent - "For thing to change for you, you have to change" - Jim Rohn.

        Take what has been stated in this thread to heart. Get your mindset correct. Once you fix that, then you are ready to take action.

        Second cent - The responses in this thread are some of the best I have seen in awhile.

        Re-read the entire thread and internalize what is being conveyed to you. Don't take it personally - look for the knowledge and philosophy being imparted.

        There you have my 2 cents.

        May prosperity bless you!

        Regards,

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      • Profile picture of the author Kenster
        Originally Posted by amdev View Post

        This is not necessarily true. You don't need to spend money, but you need to spend a lot of time doing your research with CPA. Not every niche is CPA compatible...

        Good point. Spending money will often expedite the learning process, but there are more than enough ways to make money with CPA without spending a dime. Of course I always recommend plowing some of the money you earn back into your business to help magnify the gains the second round and so on.

        If you are doing paid traffic, then you will almost certainly lose money at first but the reward is greater if you get lucky and hit big your first few campaigns.

        Pursuing paid traffic is like playing the lottery. Almost every time you will fail and lose money but if you do find something that works, the payout is huge.

        Pursuing free and cheap methods is like investment in a self storage center. Probably wont make a killing but will make a consistent reaonsbale stream of income.

        Stupid analogy, oh well

        Originally Posted by Rick Warrior View Post

        Hey I live in carteret NJ for 20 years. Yea NJ

        Yeah central jersey!

        Hmmm, maybe you've seen some of my offline campaigns
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  • Profile picture of the author amdev
    CPA is one of those things you will have to experiment with as there is no solid way of approaching it. You need to find what people want. If you're using YouTube, you need to be at the top of the search rankings to see results. To achieve this, you need to do more than upload a video and leave it. 10-20 hits per day will do nothing. You need at least 100-200. CPA with YouTube will convert 1 in 100-200. So if you have 10-20 hits per day, that's hardly enough.

    You need views, proper tags, comments, rankings. The competition is fierce on YouTube and without the proper tools you'll get nowhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author lina75
    Ask Bravo75 to teach you, he is one of the generous one here. Not stingy on his methods and he can even tell you everything that he does on his campaign. No need for WSO, all of those just waste your time, money and always crush your hope. He even show you his landing page etc etc...go ahead and PM him or Look for his Thread. So far IMHO he is the real deal here in this CPA forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by iamx View Post

      Hell yeah Kenster you know how bad jobs have gottin in jerz right now! Alot of people I know are on umployment right now. I've read your ebook Kenster and I was already doing something like the Youtube method you described. What part of Jersey are you from Kenster? I'm from Central Jersey that 732 !!! =)
      Yeah central not-so-dirty jersey to. Yes, with youtube, its about volume. It wont convert as well because people arent on youtube to buy stuff or do anything except b entertained, but the traffic is free, always a good thing.

      And there are generally two strategies. The first is creating a few videos and then just marketing the crap out of them and trying to get them to go viral. In my opinion this is hit or miss. Miss and you see nothing. Get a video to go viral and its a goldmine.

      THe second is just doing straight up volume. For arguments sake, you are getting 10 views a day for 1 video you produced. Find a way to produce 1,000 videos and you are seeing 10,000 views per day. Create 10,000 videos and see 100,000 views per day. Straight up volume.



      Originally Posted by lina75 View Post

      Ask Bravo75 to teach you, he is one of the generous one here. Not stingy on his methods and he can even tell you everything that he does on his campaign. No need for WSO, all of those just waste your time, money and always crush your hope. He even show you his landing page etc etc...go ahead and PM him or Look for his Thread. So far IMHO he is the real deal here in this CPA forum.

      Yeah, Bravo it helpful...and also my valentine! haha
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  • Profile picture of the author glide21
    You've hit the nail squarely on the head. Think! if someone had a method that works really well, why would they sell it? either out of sheer greed or it doesn't work but looks good on paper (or screen). All of the "success gurus" have become rich by selling others 'how to get rich'. You don't see Branson, Buffet or Gates selling webinars and ebooks, do you. You do see them giving out free advice and encouragement, why? I am a day trader, make a living by it but also run a blog about trading. I do advertise what I think is useful and make a few bucks in commission, but I don't count it as income, it's beer money (or music money in my case as I don't drink), the info is all free.
    As for CPA, I have found only 1 guy here who speaks about in a way that makes sense, but he's not a guru and is selling nothing. What worked for me is PPC, just find a good ad, copy it and test it for 10 bucks, works? plough more dosh into it, doesn't work find another. Think articles, let's say you find a hot trend and write a good article, by the time it gets approved, it's not so hot, never mind. Lets say your CTR is high 1% and you get 5000 views over a week (ok, some pigs can fly), so 50 punters hit your offer, another 1% buy so if you're lucky 1 conversion done.
    If you have a popular blog, you can hyper link relevant offers in the body of the article instead of zemanta stuff, you may pay your hosting bill that way.
    You can email all your friends, tell them how frustrated you are and ask them to fill in the free offers
    Finally PPV - here you can lose your pants fast, with all the demographic sh&^&^&t etc, but if you take it site at a time, get 100 views and see if any convert.
    Bottom line it;s not easy and there are finite ways to drive traffic. Let's face it, what do you do with popunder of popup, swear under your breath and close it, like 99% of punters.
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    • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
      Originally Posted by glide21 View Post

      Finally PPV - here you can lose your pants fast, with all the demographic sh&^&^&t etc, but if you take it site at a time, get 100 views and see if any convert.
      Bottom line it;s not easy and there are finite ways to drive traffic. Let's face it, what do you do with popunder of popup, swear under your breath and close it, like 99% of punters.
      What works for some doesn't work for others. I used to think the same about this type of traffic as you do. But with more experience, I now see it a different way.

      I'm getting 6.84% click-through rate on a pop-under offer. It runs on adon network. I think I can improve on that, with more testing.

      There is more to it than slapping up an advert and crossing fingers. Think about the type of person who downloads adware and leaves it on their computer.... That's not you and not me... Think about that type of person, give them offers suited to that mentality... Make them an offer they can't refuse...

      Try downloading that adware, spy on your competitors. You will learn a lot. You will see why 90% of your CPV competitors will fail... Did they all read the same WSO? They direct-link straight to the offer, hmmm. ROFL.

      No we can't just buy a WSO and get rich. We have to use our brains, invest time and capital, develop our skills, and work at it to remain flexible. The rest will fail.

      Ask yourself, what is your edge? What value do you bring to the transaction?
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      So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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  • Profile picture of the author IMSkeptic
    iamx I know how you feel about all of the pat on your back advice. It can be frustrating for sure. But only so much information can be passed on a forum like this. A face to face with a coach and mentor would be ideal but without that you just have to continue the good fight testing and trying until it starts to make sense. There is also an element to marketing that is tough to teach. This has to do with learning how people think and make decisions. The better you relate to a demographic the more likely you can reach them with your marketing efforts. I am still struggling with getting inside the mind of my targets and how to reach them but it gets better the more you try.

    Every time I fail I think about what I didn't try or do well and then try that next and do it better than the last time. Every campaign gets a little easier to setup and every time I try I have new ideas to test.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    There's just no getting around falling off a bike a few times
    YOURSELF - even after having watched and studied the
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    own experinece.

    Think about it bro.

    When you wanted to learn how to drive, did you suddenly
    learn how to drive because you drove with your mum or
    dad or saw other people do it?

    doubt it.

    You can LEARN that something is possible, but you can't
    instantly EXPERIENCE something until YOU get behind that
    wheel and miss a stop sign, or make a wrong turn, or go
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    And until you do, you will always know something is possible,
    but never have actually experienced through your own trial
    and error.

    Give yourself some credit. Your taking action, but you can't
    whine about failure. Just analyze why what your doing isn't
    working, and figure out a solution or find it elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    I lost a crapload of money just testing stuff...it sucks but I found out what did not work.
    Now I know which methods work I can minimalize my losses since I already know what methods work and which methods dont work.

    Its not rocket science but to make money you will have to spend money.
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    • Profile picture of the author amdev
      Originally Posted by macchiavelli View Post

      Its not rocket science but to make money you will have to spend money.
      This is not necessarily true. You don't need to spend money, but you need to spend a lot of time doing your research with CPA. Not every niche is CPA compatible...
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingJessie
    You know what to get started the best thing to do is start with CPV. Its simple as long as you are tracking and you have the money to invest you can make some serious money. As anything else it still takes time and effort to make a campaign profitable. But I know some noobs that are doing some decent numbers in cpv and have been in the business for less than 6 months. Hit me up if you need some guidance man!
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    • Profile picture of the author glide21
      Originally Posted by MarketingJessie View Post

      You know what to get started the best thing to do is start with CPV. Its simple as long as you are tracking and you have the money to invest you can make some serious money. As anything else it still takes time and effort to make a campaign profitable. But I know some noobs that are doing some decent numbers in cpv and have been in the business for less than 6 months. Hit me up if you need some guidance man!
      How about providing a working example with screen shots comparing income to outlay. That world be very useful, thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author iamx
        Man I never knew SO many people would come to this forum to give a hand!! It's nice to see everyone understanding where I'm coming from when I say how stressed this all has me. I've been working real hard testing offers and uploading more videos on youtube with cpa offers.

        I'm getting 1-3 people a day going to my offer but still NOTHING. But not only that the offer is a simple email submit and I still cant get anything to convert. I'm even using Youtube jump start to get more views and not even with that!

        At the same time Ive been doing the Twitter Cash Machine by Paul Chow (To which I'm still putting everything together) So for those who think I'm not putting my all in this your DEAD wrong. I'm working as hard as ever to make this work, make that money.

        And about some of you saying ''try PPC'' I played around with PPC alot back in ''08'' when I was a member at Wealthy Affiliate.

        I never made a dime and Wealthy Affiliate was out dated with their methods but I was to new at the time to relize it. The only time I really started seeing some money was when I was direct linking CPA offer about (6 months ago) After that I never looked back! Even though I lost more money than I made in earnings it was a start.

        Just wanted to give you guys a little history about me so you have an idea of what paths Ive crossed before in this business. But I havent quit and I keep pushing on to make this work! Thanks to everyone who has helped! It means WORLDS to me.

        Big up to Jerze!!! LOLZ
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingJessie
    Hey I got your PM's but I couldnt reply back! If you get a chance hit me up on skype. Marketingjessie.
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  • Profile picture of the author jrodriguez315
    Key Kenster! I am from Central NJ too! I'd love to buy you a cup of coffee or a beer and chat sometime.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by KLove View Post

      I totally understand what you're going through. You have to realize that if someone has a really cool method that is making them a ton of money, they're probably not going to share it with you. That's just the way it is. You have to figure it out for yourself through testing. Nobody is going to hand it to you on a silver platter. Everyone who makes money with CPA or other internet marketing areas has reached that level through blood, sweat, and tears (and probably a good amount of money) and it's not fair to them to just spill the beans to you or myself.

      I used to believe that it was going to be pretty easy, too. I thought I was tech-savy enough to make the big bucks online without breakin' a sweat, but it takes more than that. You have to test the heck out of everything and be able to stomach the losses.

      Hang in there and don't give up!

      You also have to realize that almost every campaign involves at least a little bit of discrtion, subjectivity, "art"...this is all stuff that cant be given to somebody. The decisions I make when I build a campaign are result of methodology, but also of my discretion which is based on my past experiences, testing results in the past, my education, everything.


      Thats why somebody normally cant just give you a method with steps 1-398 and you just follow all 398 steps and youre a millionaire. There is so much background and behind the scenes that goes on in almost every campaign.

      Courses, forums, products, books, they just give you pieces of the puzzle and as a marketer its your job to put those pieces together and make something out of them. Its not that theres a secret sauce that people arent willing to share, its that not everything can physically be shared.

      Think about this....DaVinci decides he wants to teach you to paint. He tells you how to hold the brush, what type of paint to use, how to push the brush on the paper, and even gives you every little trick he knows of. This is invaluable information right? Sure it is. Then he tells you to replicate one of his masterpieces. You have all the tools and know exactly what to do, but can you replicate that masterpiece. Probably not your first or second or third time trying, even with DaVinci himself looking over your shuolder. It takes time and practice and there is an element that is cannot be shared.

      Especially when you are doing a big PPC campaign or something, there are so many decisions that need to be made and many of which are done subconsciously. Thats why its tough to make a true and pure step by step math formula or a CPA campaign


      Originally Posted by jrodriguez315 View Post

      Key Kenster! I am from Central NJ too! I'd love to buy you a cup of coffee or a beer and chat sometime.

      Jersey pride...where you from buddy. Hit me up by PM.

      ~ken
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      • Profile picture of the author cofton25
        Just came across this post Kenster and as always you make perfect sense !


        Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

        You also have to realize that almost every campaign involves at least a little bit of discrtion, subjectivity, "art"...this is all stuff that cant be given to somebody. The decisions I make when I build a campaign are result of methodology, but also of my discretion which is based on my past experiences, testing results in the past, my education, everything.


        Thats why somebody normally cant just give you a method with steps 1-398 and you just follow all 398 steps and youre a millionaire. There is so much background and behind the scenes that goes on in almost every campaign.

        Courses, forums, products, books, they just give you pieces of the puzzle and as a marketer its your job to put those pieces together and make something out of them. Its not that theres a secret sauce that people arent willing to share, its that not everything can physically be shared.

        Think about this....DaVinci decides he wants to teach you to paint. He tells you how to hold the brush, what type of paint to use, how to push the brush on the paper, and even gives you every little trick he knows of. This is invaluable information right? Sure it is. Then he tells you to replicate one of his masterpieces. You have all the tools and know exactly what to do, but can you replicate that masterpiece. Probably not your first or second or third time trying, even with DaVinci himself looking over your shuolder. It takes time and practice and there is an element that is cannot be shared.

        Especially when you are doing a big PPC campaign or something, there are so many decisions that need to be made and many of which are done subconsciously. Thats why its tough to make a true and pure step by step math formula or a CPA campaign





        Jersey pride...where you from buddy. Hit me up by PM.

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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    Hey iamx,

    Since the YouTube videos thing doesn't seem to be working out all that well, why don't you let us see a few of your videos it could be....

    1. You're title doesn't have keywords that get searched a lot

    2. You should try to use the same tags as popular videos to get in the suggestion box of a popular video (I'm certain there's more to it but getting in the suggestion box for a popular video is definitely going to help)

    3. I've never tried this but have you ever tried to do a video response to a very popular video---that could drive traffic to your video...I actually had a friend do this and he swears that it gave traffic to his own videos a boost

    Hard to say why your marketing on YouTube isn't working without actually seeing the videos and/or page your driving traffic to

    I figure it won't be that much of an issue for you to share being that it's not really working for you anyway but obviously you'll be the one who has to decide if you're comfortable with showing people your campaign.

    I was waiting for you to email that ebook you were talking about by the way lol

    I'm going to start trying my luck with promoting CPA offers with YouTube soon but I want to get all my ducks in a row.
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    • Profile picture of the author KLove
      I totally understand what you're going through. You have to realize that if someone has a really cool method that is making them a ton of money, they're probably not going to share it with you. That's just the way it is. You have to figure it out for yourself through testing. Nobody is going to hand it to you on a silver platter. Everyone who makes money with CPA or other internet marketing areas has reached that level through blood, sweat, and tears (and probably a good amount of money) and it's not fair to them to just spill the beans to you or myself.

      I used to believe that it was going to be pretty easy, too. I thought I was tech-savy enough to make the big bucks online without breakin' a sweat, but it takes more than that. You have to test the heck out of everything and be able to stomach the losses.

      Hang in there and don't give up!
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  • Profile picture of the author PANDAmonium
    Originally Posted by iamx View Post


    I havent met anybody cool enough here that has told me ''look this is how i make money on here with cpa offers read this ebook these methods worked for me'' Instead I fee like i get a pat on the back and a goodluck from alot of people on here.

    Can any of the warriors help me? I'm so frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused:
    I hate to say it, but even if I gave you a successful campaign, told you what ads to use, what keywords, what sites to target, ect, there is no guarantee that you will make it profitable. It just doesnt work that way.
    Like someone mentioned earlier you have to test and test and test. Go in with the mindset that YES you are going to spend money on traffic and not get an initial monetary return. What you are paying for is the data you need to make it all work. Dont get frustrated after a couple days of testing with no positive ROI. Examine your data and use that to make the right moves.
    No one can give you 100% full proof method to making money. We can help guide you in the right direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author magicmarcus
    Youtube can work really well for cpa conversion if done correctly.

    how are you using it? do you have an example video?

    send a link and ill see whats going on.

    BTW 15 views per day is not enough to tell if you have a winner or not just yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author drbpl
    Don't get disappointed .. Just stop buying more products now and start implementing. No one can tell you the exact method . Even i'm digging my head into CPA so i can understand your mental status.. Till now i've tried 2-3 methods (no conversion from them) but then too i'm trying. making some changes in them. See ,usually all basic info is available for free rest is your creativity.. you'll have to think how can you get traffic and all..

    We just can't expect anyone to reveal their secrets.. they are successful 'coz of their creativity and we've to apply ours. And even if anyone is ready to help you then too if you want to be in internet marketing for long time then you'll have to implement your ideas,strategies..

    I'm also learning (thanks warriors for this) testing failing again learning and so on.. but,i know i'll succeed one day so you'll if you try..
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetWriter
    Instead of CPA, try to build a business, something you love.

    CPA is not for everyone, failing is your #1 priority. 1/100 or 1/5 time you succeed, if you cannot hold out til that 1000th try, then don't bother with CPA.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by InternetWriter View Post

      Instead of CPA, try to build a business, something you love.

      CPA is not for everyone, failing is your #1 priority. 1/100 or 1/5 time you succeed, if you cannot hold out til that 1000th try, then don't bother with CPA.

      There is a lot of "failing" in CPA if you consider failing to be a test that doesnt make you money. At the end of the day, its about testing enough things enough times to find that little gem.

      The potential to make a lot online is mostly about scale, so its taking that little gem that showed results and massively pumping volume to it. Thats what its all about. When I find a little experiment that deos $10 a day, I am ecstatic because I know I can probably turn it into $100 a day or much more by scaling. Of course this isnt always true, but most times it is.


      So I consider a test that doesnt work out not a failure but rather a step closer to finding that test that will work!

      ~ken
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      • Profile picture of the author InternetWriter
        Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

        There is a lot of "failing" in CPA if you consider failing to be a test that doesnt make you money. At the end of the day, its about testing enough things enough times to find that little gem.

        The potential to make a lot online is mostly about scale, so its taking that little gem that showed results and massively pumping volume to it. Thats what its all about. When I find a little experiment that deos $10 a day, I am ecstatic because I know I can probably turn it into $100 a day or much more by scaling. Of course this isnt always true, but most times it is.


        So I consider a test that doesnt work out not a failure but rather a step closer to finding that test that will work!

        ~ken
        I think it came out wrong for me.

        I meant to say that you should look forward to "failing", you don't really fail unless you don't do it at all. Every downfall creates a new 'ploy' to learn and fix that the next time you try. You need to constantly test, test, test, and did I say test?

        I love finding something that makes me $1, I use the power of numbers and make that $500 a day.
        Most people will say that not everything is buildable but if you think hard enough and test enough, I can make ANY $5 a day to $500 if I really tried.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kenster
          Originally Posted by InternetWriter View Post

          I think it came out wrong for me.

          I meant to say that you should look forward to "failing", you don't really fail unless you don't do it at all. Every downfall creates a new 'ploy' to learn and fix that the next time you try. You need to constantly test, test, test, and did I say test?

          I love finding something that makes me $1, I use the power of numbers and make that $500 a day.
          Most people will say that not everything is buildable but if you think hard enough and test enough, I can make ANY $5 a day to $500 if I really tried.

          Nice, we're on the same page.

          As you said Failing is NOT TRYING at all. This is an important concept because many people will try one or two experiments and consider them failures if nothing comes of them and then be demotivated and quit. Gotta keep trying new things and more new things. In fact, I think even newbies should be thinking of 2-3 different experiments to try a day. Work with free traffic if you dont have a budget...that is completely fine!

          ~ken
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          • Profile picture of the author InternetWriter
            Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

            Nice, we're on the same page.

            As you said Failing is NOT TRYING at all. This is an important concept because many people will try one or two experiments and consider them failures if nothing comes of them and then be demotivated and quit. Gotta keep trying new things and more new things. In fact, I think even newbies should be thinking of 2-3 different experiments to try a day. Work with free traffic if you dont have a budget...that is completely fine!

            ~ken
            I personally LOVE free traffic. It takes effort to get, however it is the most rewarding as you are not restricted from anything such as money, only time.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kenster
              Originally Posted by InternetWriter View Post

              I personally LOVE free traffic. It takes effort to get, however it is the most rewarding as you are not restricted from anything such as money, only time.

              You are 100% right.

              Many newbs start with paid traffic, get burned, and leave forever. Free traffic means you can test without getting burned. Plus, you can still make a substantial income with free traffic alone!
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              • Profile picture of the author InternetWriter
                Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

                You are 100% right.

                Many newbs start with paid traffic, get burned, and leave forever. Free traffic means you can test without getting burned. Plus, you can still make a substantial income with free traffic alone!
                Substantial to say the least, you can become the richest (wo)man in the world with free traffic. All it takes is creativity and the willpower to succeed!


                Tommy Hilfiger started selling on the streets, look at him now Had no store of his own and made everything by hand.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kenster
                  Originally Posted by InternetWriter View Post

                  Substantial to say the least, you can become the richest (wo)man in the world with free traffic. All it takes is creativity and the willpower to succeed!


                  Tommy Hilfiger started selling on the streets, look at him now Had no store of his own and made everything by hand.

                  I love studying entrepreneurs and an interest commonality is that most were willing to bootstrap it and work from the very bottom. Out of garages and dorm rooms with zero capital is how many of the largest successful empires are built.

                  Not only is there incredible potential in the free traffic space, but in my opinion its far easier to break into for newer and intermediate marketers because you can take action without great consequence unlike building a big PPC campaign where you will likely lose your shirt at first. Action is the name of this game and with free traffic, you are at liberty to perform as many actionable tests as you like!

                  Not only that, but if you are willing to hit the streets putting up flyers or do some not-so-fun and incredibly boring bum marketing, that says a lot about your drive and desire to succeed. I look up to marketers who are willing to get their hands dirty and work their way up, not because that was me at one time, but because it demonstrates to me their core desire.
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                  • Profile picture of the author InternetWriter
                    Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

                    I love studying entrepreneurs and an interest commonality is that most were willing to bootstrap it and work from the very bottom. Out of garages and dorm rooms with zero capital is how many of the largest successful empires are built.

                    Not only is there incredible potential in the free traffic space, but in my opinion its far easier to break into for newer and intermediate marketers because you can take action without great consequence unlike building a big PPC campaign where you will likely lose your shirt at first. Action is the name of this game and with free traffic, you are at liberty to perform as many actionable tests as you like!

                    Not only that, but if you are willing to hit the streets putting up flyers or do some not-so-fun and incredibly boring bum marketing, that says a lot about your drive and desire to succeed. I look up to marketers who are willing to get their hands dirty and work their way up, not because that was me at one time, but because it demonstrates to me their core desire.
                    Exactly, Kenster... damn man, my exact thoughts.

                    not-so-fun bum marketing makes me feel like a bum but its worth it.

                    Bootstrapping can definitely help to success, you are putting your business out there no what what!
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  • Profile picture of the author iamx
    I'm making money now... I was just having a rough week when I wrote this! ;/

    I was able to learn from my mistakes and improve from it, that was key..
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    Testing, learning, split testing, not quitting..............the keys to success.
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  • Profile picture of the author spesialis
    how much would you spend to test an offer?

    How would you determine an offer is not working, scrap it and move on?
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    • Profile picture of the author SaSeoPete
      Originally Posted by ghostcash View Post

      In all the ebooks I've read, I've never found one that actually outlined a foolproof method to make money with CPA.
      You should re read your signature then. You will not make a cent from reading books
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenster
        Originally Posted by InternetWriter View Post

        Exactly, Kenster... damn man, my exact thoughts.

        not-so-fun bum marketing makes me feel like a bum but its worth it.

        Bootstrapping can definitely help to success, you are putting your business out there no what what!

        The thing about bootstrapping is that it forces you to focus on the basics. CPA as a process is not tough. What is tough is finding a path to take and then sticking with it and making it work without looking for shortcuts.

        If you aren't willing to grind out the work in the beginning, then you will never take advantage of all CPA has to offer. I get emails sometimes where people spend 3 paragraphs talking about what products they bought and how much they know about IM and when I write back and ask what they have actually done as far as implementing and it only takes a sentence for them to respond. People overthink and think there are shortcuts and try and find the shortcuts before even proceeding down the path.



        Originally Posted by SaSeoPete View Post

        You should re read your signature then. You will not make a cent from reading books

        I dont know your situation at all, but chances are you already are armed with enough knowledge. I would suggest putting together a detailed business plan and strategy and then grind out action from here on out. Perhaps force yourself to not view a single forum, read another words from an ebook, or anything online and focus literally 90% of your time of action.

        Action should never make up less than 50% of your time no matter what level you are at...in my opinion


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  • Profile picture of the author LarryWestner
    CPA is a frustrating market to get into.
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  • Profile picture of the author TRYM
    Originally Posted by iamx View Post

    Man I joined WOF because of all the good things I've heard. But seems like everywhere i go on this forum everyone and their momma is trying to sell me the next best cpa course! I was doing cpa offers on youtube for about 2 months with hundreds of videos. I get maybe 10-15 views on my offer a day but NO conversions!!

    I mean sure i could make an easy email submit offer for them to fill out but why seattle for a dollars and some change? The only time I've made a couple of sales was direct linking offers on search engines, but I was losing more than I was making!

    I havent met anybody cool enough here that has told me ''look this is how i make money on here with cpa offers read this ebook these methods worked for me'' Instead I fee like i get a pat on the back and a goodluck from alot of people on here.

    Can any of the warriors help me? I'm so frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused:
    There are only handful of people who really knows what they're talking about and teach what they do in order to earn money in this forum. If you can sort that part out and stick with those guys and implement what you've learn from them-then yes you may make money!

    Unfortunately, this forum is filled with WSO creators (AKA-copiers-rehashed-recycle info product producers)who sell info products to make a living and never used their "secret money making methods". I would say 99% of the WSO section is garbage-rehashed and most importantly wrong or missing information which leads you to dead end.

    If you can go back to first page of this thread, you'll see bunch of guys who falls into the group that I mentioned above. They've posted bunch of info with their WSO links, trying to sell you their rehashed garbage.

    I can PM you few names if you want to learn more about people who sell real stuff without missing-garbage info, very few people anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author CharlieMan
    To me it seems like PPC is the best way to go with CPA.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vincenzo Oliva
    If you've ever followed the cpa training of guys like Steve Iser and Alen Sultanic they teach not so much about testing but "spying" on your competition. Let them spend the money to test and you jump on the successful campaigns ( which they teach you how to find).

    Steve's on the forum I'm not sure about Alen.
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