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Unethical rebills...

by Jag82
18 replies
It gets somewhat depressing when you
are all ready to promote a product only
to find that the product you are about
to promote has complaints like these:

- Customers feel that they are
misleaded into a small 1 time payment
only to find that they get billed
over and over again...

- Customers have difficulties cancelling
their rebills...

- Customers have difficulties getting
any headway with the product's
support team...


Seriously...I just can't bring myself to
promote these products.

Yea, I know. This is the CPA world.
And the consumers do have a choice.

After all, they made the choice to buy right?


It's agonizing really. Because some of these
products do convert well.

But do I really want this kind of money
based on shaky...shady...and highly
dubious offers?

I don't think I want it. I want to be able
to sleep at night. With a peace of mind.


To CPA networks: why risk the good
name of your network by putting up
these shady offers? Is it worth it?

- Jag

P.S This is not a blast at the CPA industry or networks
or even rebills as a business model.

I'm just disturbed by such offers (the product).
#rebills #unethical
  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Rebills are "dying" anyways, they are a fading trend, jump on something new!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Rebills have been around forever and will be. Shady, sketchy, deceptive rebills are dying for good reason, but the concept of rebilling isnt inherently unethical. Its the bad rebill offers that paint the whole concept black, but rebilling is a perfectly ethical business model, assuming it is done responsibly by the advertiser
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    • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
      I ran a successful teeth whiting campaign until I found out this was happening to my leads.

      It awful to put so much work into something only to find out you are getting paid because someone else got ripped off.

      I haven't done CPA ever since.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jag82
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      Rebills have been around forever and will be. Shady, sketchy, deceptive rebills are dying for good reason, but the concept of rebilling isnt inherently unethical. Its the bad rebill offers that paint the whole concept black, but rebilling is a perfectly ethical business model, assuming it is done responsibly by the advertiser
      I've no beef against rebills as a business model
      - provided it's transparent and the customers
      are not misled. The customers have to know
      what they are getting into.


      Membership sites are also rebills. But everything
      is clear. When the customers pay...they don't
      get unpleasantly surprised by a new charge.

      It's the shady rebills that gets to me.

      It's the shady rebills that makes it so
      difficult for the customers to cancel
      that thoroughly disgust me.

      Especially those that have non-existent
      or rude support!

      - Jag
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelbnielsen
    I would hate to put my reputation at stake if I were to read reviews like that. So many good things that really helps people, so why promote some bad products

    I do however have one good advice and that is never to promote a product that you have not purchased yourself (and if you have I hope you agree with my statement). I want to know and have tried what I am promoting.

    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author misterwrecker
      Originally Posted by michaelbnielsen View Post

      I would hate to put my reputation at stake if I were to read reviews like that. So many good things that really helps people, so why promote some bad products

      I do however have one good advice and that is never to promote a product that you have not purchased yourself (and if you have I hope you agree with my statement). I want to know and have tried what I am promoting.

      Michael

      hmmmm.....but what if your a guy and you want to go in the bra business?
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    I watched my grandfather get ripped off so I tend to stay away from them. He wasn't brutally damaged but he was absolutely dumbfounded that something advertised on television could be such a "scam."

    I think the only CPA offer I have really been successful with was the Netflix offer, and that was just because all of the movie rental places in my small town are closing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by misterwrecker View Post

      hmmmm.....but what if your a guy and you want to go in the bra business?

      Have you never seen WHAT WOMEN WANT with Mel Gibson?


      Originally Posted by mainstreetcm View Post

      I watched my grandfather get ripped off so I tend to stay away from them. He wasn't brutally damaged but he was absolutely dumbfounded that something advertised on television could be such a "scam."

      I think the only CPA offer I have really been successful with was the Netflix offer, and that was just because all of the movie rental places in my small town are closing.

      One of the best rebills I've seen :p
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    Yea, I know. This is the CPA world.
    No, I don't think this is the CPA world. This is the scams world. I'm doing very well with CPA and I have never promoted a product that steals people's money. There's plenty of good CPA offers out there and we don't need to be thieves in order to make money in this industry.


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  • Profile picture of the author dsimms
    What is worse is when you give your checking number up, and they continue to rebill months, and months, even after you send them a dozen cancellation notices...and they claim they never rec'd one of them...even after that, they continued to rebill...I had to cancel my checking account to stop them because they would not stop their fraudulent rebilling...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jag82
      Originally Posted by dsimms View Post

      What is worse is when you give your checking number up, and they continue to rebill months, and months, even after you send them a dozen cancellation notices...and they claim they never rec'd one of them...even after that, they continued to rebill...I had to cancel my checking account to stop them because they would not stop their fraudulent rebilling...
      This is EXACTLY what I'm utterly disgusted at.

      I mean...why cling on so tightly to money
      that doesn't want to be there?

      - Jag
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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    what is really bad about all of this is when you sign up you can't use a debt card or a store bought card that you can possibly have some control over, they want the real thing now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliatebuddy
    are we discussing how they do scam?

    Rebill= Scam

    Rebill promoter = Scammer

    Rebill Advertiser = Scammer

    Rebill Network = ?

    From Rebill i dont mean by netflix or hosting.. kinda products...

    Rebill are gone.. but they have given a bad shape to affiliate marketing. So called super affiliate thinks they are super affiliate.. but my opinion is that they are super scammer who have ditched general consumer and hurt the industry.

    Shame

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    • Profile picture of the author cpabrainstormer
      Hey Jag,

      Couldn't agree more with what you said in your initial post. It's amazing to me that some of these networks even allow those kinds of offers to be promoted. But I guess that really is the nature of the business. People get into this industry because they want to make as much money as possible, as fast as possible.

      What people need to learn though, is that the people who use black hat techniques and scam people are going to eventually get caught. You CAN'T solidify a long-term business in this industry by ripping people and cutting corners. All you are doing is hurting yourself and the millions of other marketers out there.

      What this industry is all about is building a name for yourself and having people look at you as an authority. Helping people and working your way up to the top. But I think people have lost sight of that. It's not about making things easier and helping people, it's about, "How much money can I possibly make today?" And THAT is why the FTC has had to get involved and why it's only going to get worse. As marketers, we are already HIGHLY restricted on where we can promote and what we can promote, think about a few years from now?

      I'm nervous for this industry, as I'm sure a lot of you are, but it's up to us to make a conscious effort to change the way that people look at it. It's not something that you can start today and be rich tomorrow. It takes time to build people's trust and make a name for yourself and if people thought about that more, maybe we wouldn't be facing the wrath of the FTC. Not to try and sound like Captain America, just my opinion !

      Best of Luck,

      CPABrainstormer
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
      Originally Posted by Affiliatebuddy View Post

      are we discussing how they do scam?

      Rebill= Scam

      Rebill promoter = Scammer

      Rebill Advertiser = Scammer

      Rebill Network = ?

      From Rebill i dont mean by netflix or hosting.. kinda products...

      Rebill are gone.. but they have given a bad shape to affiliate marketing. So called super affiliate thinks they are super affiliate.. but my opinion is that they are super scammer who have ditched general consumer and hurt the industry.

      Shame

      AB
      I wouldn't call everyone scammers, I don't know what, but to me that's not the word
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanEagle
    More Autorebills, More Automobiles

    I love it!
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