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Adventures with 7Search/Neverblue

by Droopy Dawg
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So I got bored this past weekend and decided I'd give 7search (for those that don't know what 7search is... google it) another try.

I opened my Neverblue account... did a search for "zip submit", and looked over all of the offers that only required a zip code entry for the conversion. Surely people would enter their zip code for some free crap right? I mean even if they'd enter a false zip code I'd still get paid right?

I'm looking over the offers, and one caught my eye. It was an ad for a free 52 inch LCD HDTV, and all they needed to do was enter their zip to begin their entry. Even if they'd enter their zip, and then back out before they had fully registered 'd still get the conversion.

So I looked at the landing page, and it looks pretty good... (brandrewardzone.com/vizio52 - I removed my aff link).

OK great... I have a solid offer, so now lets bring some traffic to it and see if this thing would make me a few $. I wanted to test this ad out using 7search... yeah I know... I knew going in that this wouldn't turn out too well, but I figured "what the hell?".

I dropped only $25 on the campaign because I was only testing... and I'd rather lose $25 by testing than blow a huge chunk of cash on a sucky campaign without testing.

I created the campaign using only 3 keywords... "free tv", "free sex cam", and "free stuff" I chose these 3 because you could always catch someone's attention with an ad for a free LCD HDTV no matter what they were originally searching for .

The 3 keywords were ridiculously cheap...

free tv = 5 cents per click.
free stuff = 15 cents per click.
free sex cam = 8 cents per click.

Here's the sick ad that I wrote which got me some real good CTR's...




The ONLY things I like about 7Search is that you get more characters to write your title and ad, and you can direct-link to your aff link, which I did for this campaign... no middle-man... just send them STRAIGHT to the offer.

After a day and a half... here's how it went (see attached photo):

The 1st line is for "free tv", the 2nd line is for "free stuff", and the 3rd line is for "free sex cam". I had a couple other keywords but they're not worth mentioning...



All totaled I had appx 10,300 impressions... appx 340 clicks... and didn't make one damn nickel from this campaign.

So I ask...

- do you think I chose the wrong ad?
- do you think 7Search is full of crap? Did they really send THAT many people to the ad?
- do you think NeverBlue s full of crap? I mean surely... of the 340-something people that saw the ad you'd think one person would fill in their zip if for nothing else out of curiosity... right?

Well here's something interesting that I found on Neverblue...

7search said that 343 people clicked the link, which was a DIRECT link to the ad, so I know they went there.

Well... here's what Neverblue had in my report... I just pulled this up, so I know that this is the most-current information from this campaign.



ZERO impressions with 58 clicks? I don't know what the hell is going on here... whether its Neverblue's tracking... or 7ssearch giving me fabricated clicks... or maybe the offer just sucks. But something's going on here.

My lesson from this is not to give 7Search anymore of my money... or... find another CPA network to work with, because this is crazy.

My message to all of my fellow-warriors is to TEST TEST TEST! I can't stress this enough. Some folks get new information, and decide to dive in with two feet. Test your offer to see if it converts... even if its a $20 commission for a clickbank product you must do some testing to see if its worth your time and money to promote. test your landing pages... test your ads... test every damn thing!


Now what if I had gone into this campaign armed with a few hundred, or even a thousand dollars without testing? I'd be highly p!ssed right now, and I'm trying to help save you guys from suffering through something like this. This sucks!

Sorry for the long rant I just wanted to share my adventure from this weekend.

Take care!

DeShon
#7search or neverblue #adventures
  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    It seems odd that 340 people would click that ad and nobody would submit their zip. Two things come to mind:

    1) You should be using your own tracking redirect link to see how many clicks you really get.

    2) There may be a delay in Neverblue reporting. This has happen to me before. Check with your account rep there.
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    • Profile picture of the author UFOverse
      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      It seems odd that 340 people would click that ad and nobody would submit their zip. Two things come to mind:

      1) You should be using your own tracking redirect link to see how many clicks you really get.

      2) There may be a delay in Neverblue reporting. This has happen to me before. Check with your account rep there.
      Yeah, there probably is a delay, because that is odd. Try checking back later, there is often a delay to check visitors and prevent fraudulent clicking
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  • Profile picture of the author Roland Hop
    Hmm thanks for the report. I always considered Neverblue a pretty good CPA network from what I have heard although I have yet to use them. If you have any other info that'd be great. But thanks for the heads up because I'll be looking into them more.
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    • Profile picture of the author genietoast
      7 Search is one of those hit or miss PPC ad places. It's easy to use, but we're not talking huge conversions.

      I did once use it to add about 14 names to a list, but it took 135 clicks. Can you get results? Sure. Are they super duper? Not really.

      Are they junk traffic? Not really, but they're not great traffic, either.

      Advertising with 7 Search is like the difference between promoting at a flea market and promoting at an international commerce center. Where do you think the big spenders would likely be?

      Probably not at the flea market.
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  • Profile picture of the author LuiLong
    I totally hear you about neverblue! I even rotated offers 50/50 on my sites with another affiliate companies offers just to see if it was my traffic (organic) or page and the other offer was converting wayyyy better then neverblues... I had the same prob with copeac a couple years ago and nb was converting better, but i guess they might be carrying a bigger wash cloth now :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author akalaide
      Networks tracking systems only record unique clicks. So if your stats have stayed the same, I would guess that 280-ish clicks weren't unique. I've had publishers with us have similar stories with 7 Search.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonat2005
    I would candidly advise that no one should bother about using 7search. Its a junk PPC site. I spent over 100 dollars there and got nothing in return
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    7Search is SH** beyond belief......Complete junk traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author EliteIM
    I had read somewhere that 7Search have their own CPA offers, has anyone here tried it yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author 7SearchBrad
    Originally Posted by Droopy Dawg View Post

    So I got bored this past weekend and decided I'd give 7search (for those that don't know what 7search is... google it) another try.

    I opened my Neverblue account... did a search for "zip submit", and looked over all of the offers that only required a zip code entry for the conversion. Surely people would enter their zip code for some free crap right? I mean even if they'd enter a false zip code I'd still get paid right?

    I'm looking over the offers, and one caught my eye. It was an ad for a free 52 inch LCD HDTV, and all they needed to do was enter their zip to begin their entry. Even if they'd enter their zip, and then back out before they had fully registered 'd still get the conversion.

    So I looked at the landing page, and it looks pretty good... (brandrewardzone.com/vizio52 - I removed my aff link).

    OK great... I have a solid offer, so now lets bring some traffic to it and see if this thing would make me a few $. I wanted to test this ad out using 7search... yeah I know... I knew going in that this wouldn't turn out too well, but I figured "what the hell?".

    I dropped only $25 on the campaign because I was only testing... and I'd rather lose $25 by testing than blow a huge chunk of cash on a sucky campaign without testing.

    I created the campaign using only 3 keywords... "free tv", "free sex cam", and "free stuff" I chose these 3 because you could always catch someone's attention with an ad for a free LCD HDTV no matter what they were originally searching for .

    The 3 keywords were ridiculously cheap...

    free tv = 5 cents per click.
    free stuff = 15 cents per click.
    free sex cam = 8 cents per click.

    Here's the sick ad that I wrote which got me some real good CTR's...




    The ONLY things I like about 7Search is that you get more characters to write your title and ad, and you can direct-link to your aff link, which I did for this campaign... no middle-man... just send them STRAIGHT to the offer.

    After a day and a half... here's how it went (see attached photo):

    The 1st line is for "free tv", the 2nd line is for "free stuff", and the 3rd line is for "free sex cam". I had a couple other keywords but they're not worth mentioning...



    All totaled I had appx 10,300 impressions... appx 340 clicks... and didn't make one damn nickel from this campaign.

    So I ask...

    - do you think I chose the wrong ad?
    - do you think 7Search is full of crap? Did they really send THAT many people to the ad?
    - do you think NeverBlue s full of crap? I mean surely... of the 340-something people that saw the ad you'd think one person would fill in their zip if for nothing else out of curiosity... right?

    Well here's something interesting that I found on Neverblue...

    7search said that 343 people clicked the link, which was a DIRECT link to the ad, so I know they went there.

    Well... here's what Neverblue had in my report... I just pulled this up, so I know that this is the most-current information from this campaign.



    ZERO impressions with 58 clicks? I don't know what the hell is going on here... whether its Neverblue's tracking... or 7ssearch giving me fabricated clicks... or maybe the offer just sucks. But something's going on here.

    My lesson from this is not to give 7Search anymore of my money... or... find another CPA network to work with, because this is crazy.

    My message to all of my fellow-warriors is to TEST TEST TEST! I can't stress this enough. Some folks get new information, and decide to dive in with two feet. Test your offer to see if it converts... even if its a $20 commission for a clickbank product you must do some testing to see if its worth your time and money to promote. test your landing pages... test your ads... test every damn thing!


    Now what if I had gone into this campaign armed with a few hundred, or even a thousand dollars without testing? I'd be highly p!ssed right now, and I'm trying to help save you guys from suffering through something like this. This sucks!

    Sorry for the long rant I just wanted to share my adventure from this weekend.

    Take care!

    DeShon
    Hello DeShon,

    I can tell you that there have been easier times for giving feed back. Not many companies are going to try and fix an issue rather than turn a blind eye to the issue. After reading this topic I unfortunately find that there are many people who share your sentiments.

    The clicks that you show in your NeverBlue reports and those that are shown in 7Search can have a tendency to be off due to timing as well as the fact that not all clicks are gonna be the same model. When does Neverblue determine a click? Is it on a two click model or a time on site model. Either way, I can provide you with a detailed click report showing all the clicks that you received. Additionally, I can provide you with a variable allowing you to monitor the subID's which are sending your traffic. If they are not up to par you can request to have them blocked, provided there was a significant amt of clicks involved.

    I would also question the use of the keyword "free sex cam". Not only is it extremely irrelevant and goes against our policy but it will create leads which are going to be extremely irrelevant also.

    I would be glad to share a call with you to discuss your campaign and any concerns you may have. This goes for anyone in this forum who is reading this. I would like to personally address each of the concerns you have if you would allow.

    We continually evolve our distribution list of partners who send us traffic. We block the poor sources and work to build better traffic relationships. We have over 600 partners in our network sending us over 3.5 billion monthly searches.

    I hope to address any concerns properly. Please feel free to send me an email at bstanley at 7search dot com.

    Many Thanks,

    Brad
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    • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
      Thanks for the offer Brad. But right now I'm to the point where I've given up on 7search. Not because of this campaign alone, but I have spent over $1 on clicks from 7search and my conversions have not been the best.

      Thanks,

      DeShon

      Originally Posted by 7SearchBrad View Post

      Hello DeShon,

      I can tell you that there have been easier times for giving feed back. Not many companies are going to try and fix an issue rather than turn a blind eye to the issue. After reading this topic I unfortunately find that there are many people who share your sentiments.

      The clicks that you show in your NeverBlue reports and those that are shown in 7Search can have a tendency to be off due to timing as well as the fact that not all clicks are gonna be the same model. When does Neverblue determine a click? Is it on a two click model or a time on site model. Either way, I can provide you with a detailed click report showing all the clicks that you received. Additionally, I can provide you with a variable allowing you to monitor the subID's which are sending your traffic. If they are not up to par you can request to have them blocked, provided there was a significant amt of clicks involved.

      I would also question the use of the keyword "free sex cam". Not only is it extremely irrelevant and goes against our policy but it will create leads which are going to be extremely irrelevant also.

      I would be glad to share a call with you to discuss your campaign and any concerns you may have. This goes for anyone in this forum who is reading this. I would like to personally address each of the concerns you have if you would allow.

      We continually evolve our distribution list of partners who send us traffic. We block the poor sources and work to build better traffic relationships. We have over 600 partners in our network sending us over 3.5 billion monthly searches.

      I hope to address any concerns properly. Please feel free to send me an email at bstanley at 7search dot com.

      Many Thanks,

      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author magicink
        7search doesn't have much volume, though in my experience it can definitely convert. But you still have to test and you can't just throw out the basic principles of PPC Marketing just because you get to direct link. Also, keep in mind that since you don't have to worry about relevancy, you're much better off trying to get less clicks, but aim to get targeted clicks that will convert.

        Here are some things you could have done differently:

        1. Write a more relevant ad
        Your ad grabs attention, but it looks kinda spammy. It's going to get people's attention and they're gonna click, out of curiosity. If there's nothing on the click through page that convinces them that they're ACTUALLY going to get a Free HDTV just by entering their zip code, they're probably won't bother doing it. Granted, with 340 clicks, someone would have tried it just for the hell of it, but then there's my next point.

        2. Rotate the offer
        Before you decide that the traffic is fraudulent, did you try rotating other offers once you saw that you weren't getting conversions? You should have started rotating, wayyyy before you got to 1000% of your Offer payout (Assuming its in the $1 range). A lot of email submits get scrubbed like crazy.

        3. Don't use irrelevant keywords like "free sex cam"
        People are going to click your ad out of curiosity, but it does take two hands to type out a zip code...
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        • Profile picture of the author Carlsbadd
          Your ad grabs attention, but it looks kinda spammy. It's going to get people's attention People are going to click your ad out of curiosity, but it does take two hands to type out a zip code...


          Good one :0
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        • Profile picture of the author sahuja
          Originally Posted by magicink View Post

          3. Don't use irrelevant keywords like "free sex cam"
          People are going to click your ad out of curiosity, but it does take two hands to type out a zip code...
          This could be the reason.
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Goldie
            Tried 7Search search traffic without much success. I thought it was the offer but tried several and still couldn't get anything to convert. Avoid in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author tcmite
    i hate neverblue they wont let me in
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  • Profile picture of the author frankweerasinghe
    I hate this 7search. Just untargeted crazy traffic from domain redirects. Never use them! Bidvertiser is a good alternative for cheap traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author WFParadise
    bidvertiser is same ****, just more costlier
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  • Profile picture of the author mtmjohn
    I have had limited success on 7search with very few campaigns, all you need to do is to test, optimize and choose the right offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bevo Troy
    Maybe the offer is scrubbing?
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  • Profile picture of the author LiquidMetalWarrior
    Ok, 7search is very bad source of traffic and i can say i receive clicks from sites like yahoo answers once among 10000 clicks but even though, 80% or more of that traffic must be filtered, i got clicks from redirects of my own links, sites that does not exist, sites redirecting to other sites, some real site with some relevant content, but even getting clicks from these "real sites" the surfers doesn't seems to make any move as i can see from the tracking data i get from different sources.
    So i think half or more of those clicks came from bots or automatic clicks. i think the fraud comes from everywhere, the publishers and also 7search im sure is aware of such harming kind of traffic.
    The thing with keywords is worst than you think, as there can't be cheap clicks since the only clicks that cost you less than 0.05 are those for very low searches and low search volume in 7search is a desert and you don't even get impressions, a lot of people defend the fact that is a good traffic source but my opinion is that don't even worth for testing. the only thing i advise is never bid more than 0.05 for a keyword unless you know it is getting conversions period.
    Stay away from bidvertiser, the people promoting that are for sure from the same company, taking advantage of the thread and i heard very bad things about them, like billing without authorization... what about that huh?

    I get some conversions with 7 search but nothing to return the investment and with the work you have to spend "optimizing" the 7search traffic i must say is a waste of time more than money and you can lose a lot of money for those so called cheap clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author zachary0611
    This is my second day with 7search and my first attempt at ppc and my campaign stats are:
    campaign1: 7 clicks 2 conversions earned 2.60
    campaign2: 37 clicks 1 conversions earned 1.60
    campaign3: 12 clicks 1 conversions earned .90

    I am currently breaking even, but hopefully ill be in the positive by tomorrow.

    Heres my suggestions go super targeted like keyword: free lcd tv or samsung.com
    and start all your bids at .01 they want you to start at .05 but you can go back and change them then if you need more traffic raise them ever 24hrs by .01
    my philosophy is to go slow and be very conservative using ppc
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    • Profile picture of the author dakar
      Great info.

      Do you guys know if 7search sends mobile traffic? Or is it only web traffic?
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      • Profile picture of the author kickmoney
        All I have to say is.

        Useless offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author 7minute
    Waw ... This will be a lesson to me before I jump in and use the PPC


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  • Profile picture of the author kickmoney
    ^^Yea, don't throw PPC at a useless offer.

    Don't throw paid traffic at a useless offer.

    OP even states clearly what has to be done to complete the offer in his ad. I.E. "Submit Zip for a chance to win....."

    And people still clicked through.

    And supposedly none of those people completed the offer.

    Congrats OP for contributing $25 to some punks email/direct marketing list.

    Just got to stay away from the offers that seem too easy...nothing in it for the advertiser etc...if it's too good to be true then it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I really dont understand why 7search is discussed so much, it certainly is rarely if EVER mentioned on pay forums where people really are pro's at this business

    their reasoning of avoiding it, seems good enough for me
    obviously its a tough way to make money
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    • Profile picture of the author dakar
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      I really dont understand why 7search is discussed so much, it certainly is rarely if EVER mentioned on pay forums where people really are pro's at this business

      their reasoning of avoiding it, seems good enough for me
      obviously its a tough way to make money
      would you be able to recommend any paid forums that i can subscribe to?
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by dakar View Post

        would you be able to recommend any paid forums that i can subscribe to?
        this one is not cheap but its great
        aff playbook, you can get 57/month with discount
        i did not want to pay it but i was convinced by others who said, ok so you have no problem losing 100s of dollars per month on campaigns since you dont know what you are doing, but would not want to pay 57 a month for people who really know their stuff to teach you how

        good point
        also Stack that money but thats I think 99/month
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        • Profile picture of the author dakar
          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          this one is not cheap but its great
          aff playbook, you can get 57/month with discount
          i did not want to pay it but i was convinced by others who said, ok so you have no problem losing 100s of dollars per month on campaigns since you dont know what you are doing, but would not want to pay 57 a month for people who really know their stuff to teach you how

          good point
          also Stack that money but thats I think 99/month
          thanks. I agree with that logic. $57 a month is nothing compared to what you would need to spend with PPC to make real money.
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    Change from Neverblue to Peerfly or Something
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