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Unread 11th Jan 2009, 02:08 PM   #1101
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Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

Also, I was checking out the webpage for www.wildseo.com its too funny.

if you try to click the "x" to leave the site, you get a discount....lol it does not stop there...if you then stay on the page then try to click "x" again to leave you get another discount...all the way to $7.
LOL, the same thing happened to me. Wouldn't his original sale price not be sold as much since pepole know they can get it for 7$?

I couldnt leave that page until I was brought to a paypal page!

how funny is that? I guess they never intended to sell it for the original price, lol.

while its "annoying" i thought it was funny- as i thought it was different. never had that one happen to me before!


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I'm not sure how the participants are going to be able to contact each other after the course is done, but we should start a small mastermind affiliate group.

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Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post


Also, I was checking out the webpage for www.wildseo.com its too funny.

if you try to click the "x" to leave the site, you get a discount....lol it does not stop there...if you then stay on the page then try to click "x" again to leave you get another discount...all the way to $7.

the same thing with his OSO (one time special offer) it goes from $67 to FREE upgrade!
Yeah, that was pretty wild. All the upsell attempts and you eventually get upgraded all for just $7. Looks like a well spent $7. Thanks for the heads up.
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Heck, use your aff link, and get that wilds... for $2.90

The backend is pretty well designed with lots of chances for the owner to make ongoing monthly residuals.

As for AC, the first week was a good starting point, and if things progress like they have outlined, I think everyone will be more than tickled pink with their purchase decision.

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LOL, the same thing happened to me. Wouldn't his original sale price not be sold as much since pepole know they can get it for 7$?

I couldnt leave that page until I was brought to a paypal page!

how funny is that? I guess they never intended to sell it for the original price, lol.

while its "annoying" i thought it was funny- as i thought it was different. never had that one happen to me before!

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I have not seen the report, but, based on the discussion it has spurred, would definitely like to. Where can I get it?
I also agree with Li Weng, however, as I have seen folks recommend bidding on popular domain names and am even doing it myself.

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Hi Guys,

arbitrage is...

In economics and finance, arbitrage is the practice of taking advantage of a price differential between two or more markets: striking a combination of matching deals that capitalize upon the imbalance, the profit being the difference between the market prices.

I recently did a video on arbitrage or "click flipping" here are some of my notes from it:

Exploiting The Price Difference.

Buy Low = Mortgage Calculators

Sell High = Ads For Mortgages And Refinance

Most Of The Big Time Arbitragers Are Seeing 5-50% Returns - Majority Seems To Be 20% Range.

the key is to find a huge market... find out the price discrepancy and exploit it using cpa network or ppc ads.

If you can do that 100000000000000000s of times per day you will see some killer results.

Here Are Three Main Ways To Do Arbitrage

1. PPC To PPC

Direct pay per click ads to pay per click results

2. PPC To CPA

Send PPC ads to CPA offers directly

Direct Linking VS Landing Page

3. PPC To Brokered Ads
Buy Ads Cheap = Sell High

My goal is to give the searchers what they want. if i can focus on that i believe my margins will be better. and from the people i have spoken with and worked with... mine are much better using that method


hope this helps

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Originally Posted by veotis View Post

Well said. So far, I like what has been presented, because I am brand new at CPA. Could I have found the info somewhere else? I'm sure I could have. I really don't have the time to go sifting through thousands of posts here or elsewhere to try and piece together how to do this. I don't have a problem paying for condensed information, for that is the way I prefer it. Plus, the affiliate I joined through has created a forum where everybody can discuss this and help each other out. That alone is worth the price because this forum is not just about the Arbitrage Conspiracy, but lots of priceless info from a marketer that is successful and doesn't mind sharing the things that he does to be successful. Will I make $50,000 a day after finishing the course? Probably not, but that is not my personal goal at the moment. My goal is to make enough to leave a 6 day a week JOB and run my own internet business. I'm 100% positive that I will achieve this goal.
Veotis I am in the same boat as you... Purchased the AC and for me (a rookie) its making some sense... I need the time to absorb everything and stay in the game...
I already make six figures at my JOB - but not getting anywhere. It'll be kool to hear some success stories in the next couple of months.
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Content for Week 2 comes out tomorrow.
Makes me excited for Mondays again!

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Does arbitrage anything really work?

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Although The Arbitrage Conspiracy Report by Aymen covers information that most people have never seen before it looks like good information but would still involve a lot of work and research to make it go.
I myself have spent thousands of dollars on ebooks, courses, etc., that just didn't get right down to the "how tos" of starting an internet business. I feel that this "step-by-step" program will get you started on the right track, and you will never look back.
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Originally Posted by smile769 View Post

Does arbitrage anything really work?

Yes it does.

There are many markets where you can take advantage of price differentials.

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Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

Yes it does.

There are many markets where you can take advantage of price differentials.
And we wait to see if the Arbitrage Conspiracy has got anything to do with arbitrage as it is commonly understood.

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Although The Arbitrage Conspiracy Report by Aymen covers information that most people have never seen before it looks like good information but would still involve a lot of work and research to make it go.
I myself have spent thousands of dollars on ebooks, courses, etc., that just didn't get right down to the "how tos" of starting an internet business. I feel that this "step-by-step" program will get you started on the right track, and you will never look back.
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I am also in agreement with Li Weng.. I have seen this domain technique on another report. But still some great reading..

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I am also in agreement with Li Weng.. I have seen this domain technique on another report. But still some great reading..

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It may be an old technique but it still works today. I have many URL campaigns cranking along with nice high CTR and conversions.

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Well, as much as I'd like to tell you, the admins of this forum have seen fit to put it on the banned list. I got a number of my posts changed earlier last year for mentioning it.
HarveyJ,

It is the same place where Newbie are forewarned, They are anti guru/anti ebook People, correct me If i am wrong
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Originally Posted by ToddieM View Post

I was waiting for some glass half full stuff from you!
While you're still drawing breath in AC, think of this wonderful quote from "As A Man Thinketh":
Good thoughts and actions can never produce bad results; bad thoughts and actions can never produce good results.

I felt the same as you regarding the recent webinar. I felt they really tackled some of the tough questions.

You are right. Here is the way people need to think. I am smart enough to learn ppc and cpa actions. There is information on this available all over the internet. In good courses and forums. All I need to do is believe in myself and take the time to go find and read this information and then apply it. I 'm not dependent on any one person or "guru" to tell me this stuff. I can do it myself, because I'm smart enough to do it. I don't have to hand over $2,000 and find out that the information is sloppy and not put well together and won't take me where I want to go. I'm not dependent on these Aymen Fallon crap to be a success. From what I've seen so far I'm actually smarter than "Aymen". I can apply myself and learn. I don't need these guys. Let's take action and start today.

There that is all you have to tell yourself to start making money. Believe in yourself not Fallon and Arbitrage garbage. You do not need them.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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You are right. Here is the way people need to think. I am smart enough to learn ppc and cpa actions. There is information on this available all over the internet. In good courses and forums. All I need to do is believe in myself and take the time to go find and read this information and then apply it. I 'm not dependent on any one person or "guru" to tell me this stuff. I can do it myself, because I'm smart enough to do it. I don't have to hand over $2,000 and find out that the information is sloppy and not put well together and won't take me where I want to go. I'm not dependent on these Aymen Fallon crap to be a success. From what I've seen so far I'm actually smarter than "Aymen". I can apply myself and learn. I don't need these guys. Let's take action and start today.

There that is all you have to tell yourself to start making money. Believe in yourself not Fallon and Arbitrage garbage. You do not need them.
It seems that you know alot more about CPA networks than I do. While the "go it alone" approach does work for a handful, it has never worked for me.
I agree that taking action is critical. I just like the way AC has action plans laid out, starting at the ground level, that forces you to participte. Before I joined AC, I was a Stomper for six months.
I never did a SINGLE PPC campaign in all that time.
Best of luck, cowboy, and intend on seeing you at the ranch someday!

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WEEK 2 is here.......11 am and nothing posted yet. DRUMROLL..............
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12 pm and nothing posted yet. ...and nothing sent to us explaining the delay either. I can't play videos @ home, so I slept away from home last night so that I could watch them all this morning. This is screwing up my week!

I registered for this forum just to participate in this thread, as I think many others have done, and I'm sure many more are still just watching. Why doesn't someone here start up a separate forum for us course members?
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I planned my day around the release of week 2 info, just like I planned my night last week around the live webinar, neither happened on time! I really hope these guys get their stuff together, I can't afford to keep changing my schedule. We all know one of the biggest mistakes that can be made is not to communicate a problem if there is one. JUST A SIMPLE EMAIL!!!!
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Good point, thing is....they are not prepared to dish out cookie cutter material it seems. Which I actually have come to accept as a positive thing so long as they keep addressing our questions as we present them. The content is live and LAST WEEK. My only hope is that no one falls off the face of the earth anytime within the next 12 weeks :}
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still waiting........ 1:40pm
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Now 3:30 EST and still nothing in the Home Area, nothing updated for week #2, and nothing notifying us of a problem. Are there any affiliates here on the inside who might know something? James Schramko?

STILL buzzin' [8D]
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I just submitted my refund request.

Be aware that they have made a very shady move on the refund policy -- the 30 day money back "no questions asked" guarantee starts when you paid, NOT when the course starts. For those of us that signed up early that means very little time to evaluate the course.

Indeed, I even went so far as to ask them for the guarantee to start on the date the class started, seems entirely reasonable no? Apparently not, they explicitly said no.

True they have the other guarantee, but that requires you average 2 campaigns per day. So, 12 weeks x 7 days X 2 campaigns = 168 campaigns. If you can't document this many campaigns using their techniques, the guarantee is invalid.

These guys may know what they are doing when it comes to PPC and affiliate programs, but they really have done themselves a disservice with customer service issues on this launch.

Anyway, I wanted to make sure everyone is aware of the "fine print" about their 30 day guarantee so people don't end up losing money on this program.
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Anyway, I wanted to make sure everyone is aware of the "fine print" about their 30 day guarantee so people don't end up losing money on this program.
Could be why they did this guarantee switch in the first place. A lot of people are going to get trapped.

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Now 3:30 EST and still nothing in the Home Area, nothing updated for week #2, and nothing notifying us of a problem. Are there any affiliates here on the inside who might know something? James Schramko?
They are all likely at Affiliate Summit West.

Would have been nice to know they had some plans to get the material out but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it doesn't come out until it's over (tomorrow or wednesday).

Could they make it more obvious how low priority people who paid $2k are?
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Be aware, all you have to do is tell your credit card company that the product was not delivered until January 5th, and "product was not as advertised."
I had a problem with a charge on Diners Club, it was a cut and dry case nothing as abstract as an online course (prove when it started, etc). I've been a customer of Diners Club for 10 years. It took 11 months of back and forth to get it resolved. So, legally you may be correct but the hassle factor could be substantial.

On another note, I was annoyed by the format of Arbitrage Conspiracy's information. Video is helpful, but it shouldn't be the whole thing. The PDF's they include are just slides from the video, not very helpful. I'd like to see some documents with serious meat on them. I think their choice of format has more to do with protecting their course than about the best interests of their students.
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Its a double edged sword, and thats why I am hanging in there as well. You know there are people out there that will get what they can out of a product, and just refund it once they get the idea on how the program works. That, to me, seemingly would explain the "basic" training in the first week, and the late launch coupled with that. I would guess they doubled their sales based on the "no questions asked" theme, and figured there would be a great number of those super skeptics that would come in based on that wording...and have a good % of them hang in there for whatever reason. That would be me. I am only going on gut instinct, they seem geniune in their speech and that is the ONLY reason I am still around. I find it hard to believe they are out to just scam people....and there are just as many that could scam them just as well. I dont agree with the approach nonetheless...
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COMMUNICATIONS!!! That's all it takes to quiet the restless. If you only knew how my mind can wander when I don't know what's going on. The Good, Bad and Ugly - pick one!
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I SECOND THAT.
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The first week was torture, hope it gets better.
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I agree about the communication factor - if they would just keep us updated as to when we can really expect (Week 2 for instance), then we can just go about our business and not keep wondering what's going on.

I'm seriously ready for the next step and waiting anxiously to get started.
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Its a double edged sword, and thats why I am hanging in there as well. You know there are people out there that will get what they can out of a product, and just refund it once they get the idea on how the program works. That, to me, seemingly would explain the "basic" training in the first week, and the late launch coupled with that. I would guess they doubled their sales based on the "no questions asked" theme, and figured there would be a great number of those super skeptics that would come in based on that wording...and have a good % of them hang in there for whatever reason. That would be me. I am only going on gut instinct, they seem geniune in their speech and that is the ONLY reason I am still around. I find it hard to believe they are out to just scam people....and there are just as many that could scam them just as well. I dont agree with the approach nonetheless...
I agree. They do seem extremely genuine in their tone, and the first week material was solid. Being new to CPA I really appreciated their approach: Here are the basics, go cut your teeth without spending too much money, and get ready for whats coming.

And I am ready, and I am waiting. Not happy about that and the lack of communication. If there are further delays they need to let us know, even if it is nothing but a simple apology. Better customer service would be appreciated.
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These bozos couldn't run a CPA network.

They can't even get their homework done on time.

Bunch of clowns running this thing.

I should have refunded. Stupid me.

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Harlan,

there was a bonus including an NLP training, was that you? Just curious after your last post.
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I just got an e-mail saying that "Week 2 materials should be up soon. Stay tuned!"

I hope "soon" means sometime yet today : )
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Are they writing things as they go?

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Rule #1 If "Conspiracy" is in your name - COMMUNICATE!!!

Sorry but I just think this is unprofessional and I was expecting more based on their prior performance.
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I'm a new WF member and recent purchaser of AC. I've gone through most of the related WF entries for the last few weeks and figured it was time to air my thoughts.

1) The factors which moved me to buy were the Brad Fallon endorsement, the idea that they were doing the course as a set up to their own CPA network, and the fact that these guys are operating in Canada where I am. Since most IM teaching comes from the US it can be difficult for those of us outside the States to implement many ideas.
2) I do not plan to make 50-100k/day from what I learn, though I am of course open to the possiblity. I am looking for a third stream of income to add to my speaking and personal product sales income. If I actually pay for the course with profits by the end of the course, I'll be satisfied. I'm only putting in the video time and a couple hours 5-6 nights per week.
3) The concerns and complaints about delivery are valid. It's been terrible- where is today's post? Why no email? In addition, Aymen and Emmanuel are not the best presenters, though I have no problem understanding what they're saying. The pdf's are indeed next to useless.
4) I disagree with the compaints about the 12 weeks to get all the material. This is actually good pedagogy. If we got it all at once, we'd tend to scan it, play with it, jump around and accomplish nothing. (As most people do with most courses. IM"s know this so they freely sell "secrets" because so few will implement them.)
They have built in practice time. This shows me they really do want to train people, not simply dump content and move on.
Those of you who are already well into IM, esp who grew into it as it grew, might not realize how much info is floating around out there and how hard it can be to sift through. $97 products with 500 hours of bonus video and a dozen bonus ebooks do not appeal to me at all. I want useable content.
5) Being new to CPA, though with a bit of experience in other PPC, I learned a lot in week 1, have been doing the homework and am learning from that. I have a couple profitable campaigns (if you don't take time spent into account!) and can really see this working, esp as the campaigns are tweaked. No, my campaigns aren't made up of a gazzillion broad match keywords as in the class example, but they are still pretty loose.
6) One week in, if I learn as much each week as I learned in week 1, it's a deal. Yes, the info may be already out there in public domain, but not in all one place- though WF looks pretty good. (Maybe an anti AC'er could put together an alternative course...)
7) If it turns out that AC is a scam, someone else can lasso them, and I'll volunteer to drag them up to the arctic and set them loose on an ice flow.

Great forum, keep the chatter going!
Now, where in the heck is my Week 2 lesson?

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I just got an e-mail saying that "Week 2 materials should be up soon. Stay tuned!"
Consider yourself "special". I haven't gotten a single question or support issue responded to from the day I signed up.
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I wouldn't say I'm "special" I just ask them a lot of questions and send lots of e-mails...I think I bug them into answering me...ha ha.
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Hey there everybody!

I'm new to the Warriors Forum (though I've been aware of it for some years now) and this is my first post.

Like a lot of people in this thread, I bought AC hoping it would teach me what I need to know to be truly successful online. Perhaps that was foolish. Time will tell.

So far, I've been reasonably impressed with the material. Though the presentations have not been exactly professional (in fact, informal to the point of being amateurish), the content has been good from my standpoint. I'm certainly learning a lot about PPC and more importantly, CPA. I don't doubt much of the material to this point has been available elsewhere, but then again we're still in the "getting started" phase and they make no bones about it.

As others have said, it's worth the money to me to have all the pertinent info in once place. That alone is very, very valuable to a noob like me. It might not be to experienced arbitragers.

From the outline and overview given in the back office of the AC site, it's clear there is a TON of material coming. And while I have many gripes – some minor, some major – with the materials to this point, I don't think anybody can argue that they have delivered some serious content. Week One was ten videos, after all...

That being said, I haven't made dime one yet in the "quick start" phase, and that's after carefully following their instructions to the letter. I'm getting very frustrated and PO'd, too.

As someone with a bit of experience in PPC, I seriously doubted whether I could get 25 cent Adword clicks and my tests have borne this out (they tell you to test campaigns bidding these amounts, even though Google shows minimum bids, in most cases, of $.50 and up (sometimes WAAAAY up)). Clearly, $.25 bids can't work in an environment where it takes double that or more just to get seen, much less clicked on.

I know James Schramko has said he's getting 25 cent clicks – and kudos to him – but I'll be darned if I can find a niche where there are any to be had. Perhaps with more experience, I'll be able to find them... but then that begs the question as to why they are telling beginners to follow this "strategy" in the first place.

Further, from what I understand, slamming in a bunch of keywords (as per AC) is not going to make Google happy. Additionally, it looks to me like some of the landing pages have poor Quality Scores right out of the gate, meaning no amount of effort on our parts can fix this (am I right here?). The AC Boys say it should take you "about 15 minutes" per campaign.

Yeah. OK. Right. Sure.

Even factoring in the noob factor (me, in other words), it's still taking me the better part of 2 hours to get a single campaign up and running (from preliminary research to keyword generation to ad writing to implementation). All my campaigns have sucked wind to this point, but let me tell you it really ends up being major heart burn to go through all of that and then find out the landing page has a crappy QS!

Well, that's been my experience with AC in a nutshell. I've actually got a blog of my own up on my experiences thus far (in greater – gak – detail) and I'd welcome feedback from others in AC (or not, as the case may be). I'm not trying to sell anything on this blog, but I would love to hear from you and possibly get feedback and/or network and/or mastermind.

Because I'm new here, I can't post the URL, but if you go to the Contact section of my as-yet blank Profile, you'll find a link.

I hope to see you there, and I'll be back here with more posts too.

My compliments to everybody who has taken the time out of their lives to post here on AC (and other topics), and whether pro or con, I appreciate your efforts! Thanks to everybody!

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I wouldn't say I'm "special" I just ask them a lot of questions and send lots of e-mails...I think I bug them into answering me...ha ha.
Hey Raemi!

Not to be flip... but the fact that you get your emails answered by bugging them does not in any way assuage the fears and gripes of the rest of us – not that I'm saying you would suggest that it should.

The fact that the AC Boys respond to somebody who bugs them, but can't be bothered to respond to the earnest emails of those who don't, indicates a level of amateurishness that I find disturbing. Others have said as much in this thread.

I realize a big launch is a big job. I realize training people for the relatively short term job of handling customer service for such a specialized product is undoubtedly a huge nightmare.

But the way they've been handling it is a joke, and the sign of (at best) a very poorly run operation.

I'm glad you get your emails answered (if only "eventually"). As for me, I don't feel I should have to chase anybody around in order to get an answer. Typically, if I do, I leave said business for good...

Unfortunately, those of us who are (perhaps masochistically) staying on for the ride, can't do that.
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Had enough, refund processed. Good luck to all ... onward to Luke Sample for some coaching.
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... onward to Luke Sample for some coaching.
Good luck long term with Black Hat free traffic methods.
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Boy, wouldn't be fun to be a fly on the wall at Arbitrage central. We could watch last minute videos being edited with the speed of the edits being proportionate to the rate of refund requests.

I for one am hanging on a little longer. Keep the faith!!
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These bozos couldn't run a CPA network.

They can't even get their homework done on time.
Good point
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Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

Hi Mann, you are keepin it real and I really like that.
What's the point of not laying the cards on the table? I'm sure I'm not the only AC student going through this. But thanks for the compliment!


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and the one thing I always want to see is a pure begginer start putting a chunk of change in their pocket. (and fast)
That would be nice. But in all the programs I've tried over all the years, making a "fast buck" seems to be ever-elusive. It's always... "Just Follow Our Easy 14,347 Step Plan, And You'll Be Rich! Rich we say! RICH!"

And then I hear a evil laugh in my head which I've always attributed to sinusitis. But now I'm beginning to wonder...

Call me slow on the uptake.


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I could care less about $100,000 in a day...just help somebody pay bill or 2 in the beggining or at least re-coup investment....I will always keep that in mind whenever I create anything..ever.
That's where I'm at when I start something. Despite the claims of "instant riches," I just want to see some FREAKIN' RESULTS! Is that too much to ask? :confused:

The AC Boys have said several times that they've gotten responses from students (even back in December, just based on the first quick start materials) about how well they're doing. Well, assuming this is true, how do we know at what level those students were, and whether they just got lucky or...???

My bet is on lucky and/or experienced enough to take a few nuggets from AC and run with it. Assuming any of these claims are true, of course.

I forgot to mention something before. I think it's relevant now.

I tried to post on the AC blog in response to a posted email allegedly from one of their students. The email said he was already making money just based on the info in the overview materials alone. I wanted to know how it was that somebody could do that, since it seemed to me those materials were too general to help anybody do much of anything.

Strangely, that post – despite not one but TWO submission attempts – never went up on the AC blog. Hmmmmmm....

Two emails asking what happened to that post went unanswered, too.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Your course looks very interesting honestbizpro, and after the a**reaming (can I "say" that here?) of The Arbitrage Conspiracy, I have to tell you the price is very, very right!

Thanks so much for the input.
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