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Payout Difference Question

by faceblogger
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Hi Warriors

I checked the Payout of a particular offer from two networks and the payout difference was 20% for the very same offer.
The network that gives the higher payout is a newbie friendly network (But a reputed network) and the network that gives me lower payout was a private network which is usually a favorite one for most of the super affiliates I see.

My question is.... Do some networks (particularly the networks that only target experienced affiliates) set lower payouts for the affiliates who are new or who are not making more than a $10 - $20 daily?

Thank You
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  • Profile picture of the author MattRadford
    Yes, I think a lot of networks like to start off low so they can reward the affiliates who do well by giving them higher payouts.

    Once you start showing you can send good traffic, your affiliate manager will probably call you and offer you a higher rate, this has happened to me several times.
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  • Profile picture of the author imback
    Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I checked the Payout of a particular offer from two networks and the payout difference was 20% for the very same offer.
    The network that gives the higher payout is a newbie friendly network (But a reputed network) and the network that gives me lower payout was a private network which is usually a favorite one for most of the super affiliates I see.

    My question is.... Do some networks (particularly the networks that only target experienced affiliates) set lower payouts for the affiliates who are new or who are not making more than a $10 - $20 daily?

    Thank You
    The rate you see within a CPA network is a "Base" rate for everyone. If you ask your Aff Manager 9 out of 10 times they will give you a better rate


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    • Profile picture of the author JasonWestwick
      Originally Posted by imback View Post

      The rate you see within a CPA network is a "Base" rate for everyone. If you ask your Aff Manager 9 out of 10 times they will give you a better rate


      CHAD

      This is true, the standard rate of pay you see when you access your network is standard across the whole network. You can pay bumps depending on your performance. I wouldn't immediately ask your affiliate manager for a bump if you're new to the network or CPA in general. You're affiliate manager will generally want to see a track record off success and ability to convert at a high volume before considering a pay bump.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I checked the Payout of a particular offer from two networks and the payout difference was 20% for the very same offer.
    The network that gives the higher payout is a newbie friendly network (But a reputed network) and the network that gives me lower payout was a private network which is usually a favorite one for most of the super affiliates I see.

    My question is.... Do some networks (particularly the networks that only target experienced affiliates) set lower payouts for the affiliates who are new or who are not making more than a $10 - $20 daily?

    Thank You
    Really, the key is split testing between the offers, although one may have a better payout, you want the best epc/roi.
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    • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
      Thank you all for clearing my doubt by giving valuable answers
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I checked the Payout of a particular offer from two networks and the payout difference was 20% for the very same offer.
    The network that gives the higher payout is a newbie friendly network (But a reputed network) and the network that gives me lower payout was a private network which is usually a favorite one for most of the super affiliates I see.

    My question is.... Do some networks (particularly the networks that only target experienced affiliates) set lower payouts for the affiliates who are new or who are not making more than a $10 - $20 daily?

    Thank You


    Yes, it could be that the offer is re-brokered so that may explain the lower payout.


    But like already pointed out...base or "street" payout is nearly always lower than what you can get. If you produce and can drive traffic, street payout will go up, the networks margin will go down. The more you push, the more the rate will rise...up to a certain point of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
    Originally Posted by ChrisBa View Post

    Really, the key is split testing between the offers, although one may have a better payout, you want the best epc/roi.
    I experienced this EPC/ROI difference and I could not understand why it is happening....
    One of my ad was running giving 15-20$/day(with highly targeted search traffic) and all of a sudden it came to 0 for two days though it got almost same numbers of clicks. Then, I replaced it with the exactly same offer from another network and it started running even with a better income 20-25$/day. (The payouts were same for this particular ad on both networks but obviously the EPC/ROI was different, and also I wonder why it stopped converting suddenly on a network)

    I am very interested to know, How can the EPC/ROI differ depends on Network? The offer is same, the lander, interface and everything is same. It is only the network which is different. Does it mean that some networks just 'eat' the cost of some actions?

    Thank You
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    • Profile picture of the author imback
      Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

      I experienced this EPC/ROI difference and I could not understand why it is happening....
      One of my ad was running giving 15-20$/day(with highly targeted search traffic) and all of a sudden it came to 0 for two days though it got almost same numbers of clicks. Then, I replaced it with the exactly same offer from another network and it started running even with a better income 20-25$/day. (The payouts were same for this particular ad on both networks but obviously the EPC/ROI was different, and also I wonder why it stopped converting suddenly on a network)

      I am very interested to know, How can the EPC/ROI differ depends on Network? The offer is same, the lander, interface and everything is same. It is only the network which is different. Does it mean that some networks just 'eat' the cost of some actions?

      Thank You

      That is very interesting...hmmm

      You would think just switching networks would not have any effect on the outcome


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      • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
        Originally Posted by imback View Post

        That is very interesting...hmmm

        You would think just switching networks would not have any effect on the outcome


        CHAD
        I understand it happens. After changing the network the offer started converting and I got even a better conversion. But...I want to know how it happens? Why some networks are scrubbing the leads while some others don't?

        P.S : I just found that it is called "Scrubbing" after doing some searches on google
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        • Profile picture of the author imback
          Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

          I understand it happens. After changing the network the offer started converting and I got even a better conversion. But...I want to know how it happens? Why some networks are scrubbing the leads while some others don't?

          P.S : I just found that it is called "Scrubbing" after doing some searches on google
          Yes it is called scrubbing. Just always boggles my mind that they can get away with it legally.


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          • Profile picture of the author DudleyDog
            Originally Posted by imback View Post

            Yes it is called scrubbing. Just always boggles my mind that they can get away with it legally.


            Chad
            Yeah, makes you wonder. That's why I dropped CPA networks a while ago. Now I get paid on time, every time, exactly what I'm owed. You can't ask for more than that. A big bonus is the payouts are far superior to the offers I used to promote as well.

            Oh BTW, I'm working in pay per lead in the finance arena, you know loans, debt management, insurance etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

      I experienced this EPC/ROI difference and I could not understand why it is happening....
      One of my ad was running giving 15-20$/day(with highly targeted search traffic) and all of a sudden it came to 0 for two days though it got almost same numbers of clicks. Then, I replaced it with the exactly same offer from another network and it started running even with a better income 20-25$/day. (The payouts were same for this particular ad on both networks but obviously the EPC/ROI was different, and also I wonder why it stopped converting suddenly on a network)

      I am very interested to know, How can the EPC/ROI differ depends on Network? The offer is same, the lander, interface and everything is same. It is only the network which is different. Does it mean that some networks just 'eat' the cost of some actions?

      Thank You



      I mean without knowing the details, this happens all the time when you are working with lower traffic numbers. You can get a monstrous wave of conversions and then a dry spell. Trust me, it happens to everybody.

      So like I said, I don't know exactly how your situation was or numbers were, but it's important not to jump to conclusions too fast...which I don't think you have!!

      It's not until you are seeing many hundreds or 1,000 more visitors to an offer that conversion rates settle down, due primarily to the fact that there larger volume so the outliers get weeded out.


      Nice work though, keep it up
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      • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
        Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

        I mean without knowing the details, this happens all the time when you are working with lower traffic numbers. You can get a monstrous wave of conversions and then a dry spell. Trust me, it happens to everybody.

        So like I said, I don't know exactly how your situation was or numbers were, but it's important not to jump to conclusions too fast...which I don't think you have!!

        It's not until you are seeing many hundreds or 1,000 more visitors to an offer that conversion rates settle down, due primarily to the fact that there larger volume so the outliers get weeded out.


        Nice work though, keep it up
        Kenster i highly appreciate this valuable reply.

        It happened to me from MaxBounty and I found that someone said following on another thread
        "maxbounty approval process is so lenient and they just approve literally anyone whatsoever.. most of them just spam their offers and the advertisers shave the offers eventually "

        I was getting roughly a 40-50 clicks and 10-12 conversions for 5-6 days until the conversion stopped.

        I don't know what to do at this stage as this is the first time I face such issue (but I don't want to make my own conclusions as I am not much experienced with such scenario.) and I have 2 options

        1. Continue with MaxBounty until it start converting again?
        2. Totally switch to another network that has the very same offer?.

        But I switched to the same offer from another network and I'm not sure if the same thing will happen there too since I am a low volume guy.

        Thank You
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        • Profile picture of the author Kenster
          Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

          Kenster i highly appreciate this valuable reply.

          It happened to me from MaxBounty and I found that someone said following on another thread
          "maxbounty approval process is so lenient and they just approve literally anyone whatsoever.. most of them just spam their offers and the advertisers shave the offers eventually "

          I was getting roughly a 40-50 clicks and 10-12 conversions for 5-6 days until the conversion stopped.

          I don't know what to do at this stage as this is the first time I face such issue (but I don't want to make my own conclusions as I am not much experienced with such scenario.) and I have 2 options

          1. Continue with MaxBounty until it start converting again?
          2. Totally switch to another network that has the very same offer?.

          But I switched to the same offer from another network and I'm not sure if the same thing will happen there too since I am a low volume guy.

          Thank You


          I don't think you are, but I wouldn't make any accusations with that kind of volume yet but I WOULD absolutely cross network split test. If you are seeing at least 75-100 clicks on an offer, you should be cross network split testing anyway.

          Sometimes its the offer, sometimes the network, and sometimes other people, its always good to spread traffic around to find the best converting one. Even then, its always good to send traffic to more than one network to hedge the risk a bit!
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          • Profile picture of the author LeadBoltBrian
            Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

            I don't think you are, but I wouldn't make any accusations with that kind of volume yet but I WOULD absolutely cross network split test. If you are seeing at least 75-100 clicks on an offer, you should be cross network split testing anyway.

            Sometimes its the offer, sometimes the network, and sometimes other people, its always good to spread traffic around to find the best converting one. Even then, its always good to send traffic to more than one network to hedge the risk a bit!
            Absolutely. And if you find there is any sort of head-scratching discrepancy between the offer and split-tested networks, don't be afraid to contact your AM with the suspected party. You'll be able find out pretty quickly what is causing the imbalance based on the response you get...
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            • Profile picture of the author williamrs
              Originally Posted by LeadBoltBrian View Post

              Absolutely. And if you find there is any sort of head-scratching discrepancy between the offer and split-tested networks, don't be afraid to contact your AM with the suspected party. You'll be able find out pretty quickly what is causing the imbalance based on the response you get...
              Yep, that's what you should do asap. Explain what's happening to your affiliate manager and he/she will certainly tell you what is causing the discrepancy between the networks.

              I don't know which offer you're promoting, but if it's a popular one there is also a chance that the conversion doesn't occur on the same page. For example, there are some popular dating sites that run many different offers on several networks, some of them convert on the first page, others on the 2nd page, others are double opt-in, etc...

              Of course, there is also a chance that the advertiser is shaving leads, but you shouldn't make conclusions before you have contacted your AM and compared both offers to know if they convert at the same point.


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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    its very usual. they also have to maintain the industry. with high reputation.so i think its very common to get popularity by giving the marketer a big amount for their performance. for this reason they do this. but for sure not for a long time believe me !!!
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  • Profile picture of the author imback
    It is hard to tell with low volume....but you seem to have a winner. Just curious to why you are not pushing more traffic at this point and split testing both.

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