How to block bad traffic sources on 7search and when

by Mahmoud Selman 61 replies
Hello Warriors,

Some people were contacting me asking about how to block bad traffic sources on 7search.

Here is a mini how to based on 7search traffic quality team email.

To access the blocking interface:

a. Login to your advertiser account.
b. Click on the My Account tab.
c. Click on the edit link (found next to Preferences).
d. Under Account Tools, click on the Manage SubID blocks or Manage Domain blocks link.

To use the blocking feature, you (or your webmaster) will need to add the following parameter to your tracking URLs:

###AFFID###-###RID###

So, for example, the following URL:

http://www. yourwebsite.com/search

Would become:

http://www. yourwebsite.com/search?aff=###AFFID###-###RID###

In order to see click-through information about the SubIDs (as well as the referring domains) which sent traffic to your account, please reference your raw server logs. When you identify a traffic source you would like to block, you can do so through the blocking interface in your 7Search account.

The ###AFFID###-###RID### tags enable you to have the ability to see the upstream source of the clicks you receive, and determine whether additional sources should be blocked.

We recommend that you should only consider blocking SubIDs or Domains that have sent your account a significant number of clicks based on your overall traffic volume and conversion ratio. For your campaigns, at least 50 clicks will suffice. Blocking traffic SubIDs or Domains without sufficient data can have a negative impact on your overall conversion ratio.

Hope that helps.
#ad networks (cpm/cpl, display) #7search #bad #block #sources #traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author 2Dth
    Not a bad idea.

    Will this work if i already started my campaign (4days ago)? I mean will it back date to the start of the campaign and show you from day one where the bad traffic?

    LOL. i hope that make sense
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  • Profile picture of the author reigovilbiks
    but if i have gotten 300 clicks, and 1 click from each sub id - and none of the sub ids have conversions..its gonna be expensive to test it out
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  • Profile picture of the author speedylikesKJ
    Originally Posted by Mahmoud Selman View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    Some people were contacting me asking about how to block bad traffic sources on 7search.

    Here is a mini how to based on 7search traffic quality team email.

    To access the blocking interface:

    a. Login to your advertiser account.
    b. Click on the My Account tab.
    c. Click on the edit link (found next to Preferences).
    d. Under Account Tools, click on the Manage SubID blocks or Manage Domain blocks link.

    To use the blocking feature, you (or your webmaster) will need to add the following parameter to your tracking URLs:

    ###AFFID###-###RID###

    So, for example, the following URL:

    http://www. yourwebsite.com/search

    Would become:

    http://www. yourwebsite.com/search?aff=###AFFID###-###RID###

    In order to see click-through information about the SubIDs (as well as the referring domains) which sent traffic to your account, please reference your raw server logs. When you identify a traffic source you would like to block, you can do so through the blocking interface in your 7Search account.

    The ###AFFID###-###RID### tags enable you to have the ability to see the upstream source of the clicks you receive, and determine whether additional sources should be blocked.

    We recommend that you should only consider blocking SubIDs or Domains that have sent your account a significant number of clicks based on your overall traffic volume and conversion ratio. For your campaigns, at least 50 clicks will suffice. Blocking traffic SubIDs or Domains without sufficient data can have a negative impact on your overall conversion ratio.

    Hope that helps.
    I guess Mahmoud missed one thing that to get this facility you need to open a support ticket and ask 7search to enable sub id tracking for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Royce Space
    Originally Posted by Mahmoud Selman View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    Some people were contacting me asking about how to block bad traffic sources on 7search.

    Here is a mini how to based on 7search traffic quality team email.

    To access the blocking interface:

    a. Login to your advertiser account.
    b. Click on the My Account tab.
    c. Click on the edit link (found next to Preferences).
    d. Under Account Tools, click on the Manage SubID blocks or Manage Domain blocks link.

    To use the blocking feature, you (or your webmaster) will need to add the following parameter to your tracking URLs:

    ###AFFID###-###RID###

    So, for example, the following URL:

    http://www. yourwebsite.com/search

    Would become:

    http://www. yourwebsite.com/search?aff=###AFFID###-###RID###

    In order to see click-through information about the SubIDs (as well as the referring domains) which sent traffic to your account, please reference your raw server logs. When you identify a traffic source you would like to block, you can do so through the blocking interface in your 7Search account.

    The ###AFFID###-###RID### tags enable you to have the ability to see the upstream source of the clicks you receive, and determine whether additional sources should be blocked.

    We recommend that you should only consider blocking SubIDs or Domains that have sent your account a significant number of clicks based on your overall traffic volume and conversion ratio. For your campaigns, at least 50 clicks will suffice. Blocking traffic SubIDs or Domains without sufficient data can have a negative impact on your overall conversion ratio.

    Hope that helps.
    This is very similar to gauher chaudhry 7 search tutorials.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordanberg2311
    yeaps, Gauher mentioned that before.

    After collecting so many AFFID...and weeding them ..I almost weed the entire network out lol
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  • Profile picture of the author writersforums
    A great idea u have provided to the community. I would really test it. If works, Thanks......
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    • Profile picture of the author 2Dth
      Worked great for me...

      But one Newbie question. Should i weed this out, 440 clicks - only 2 lead?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mahmoud Selman
        Originally Posted by 2Dth View Post

        Worked great for me...

        But one Newbie question. Should i weed this out, 440 clicks - only 2 lead?
        Could you please give some more info? 440 clicks from same keyword? 440 clicks from same source? How about the cost of the clicks and the payout of the offer?
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        • Profile picture of the author 2Dth
          Sorry about that.
          Yeah, 440 clicks on one keyword. Cost of the clicks .o5, and the payout offer is 2.60
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          • Profile picture of the author Mahmoud Selman
            Originally Posted by 2Dth View Post

            Sorry about that.
            Yeah, 440 clicks on one keyword. Cost of the clicks .o5, and the payout offer is 2.60
            Try to optimize your ad copy and block any source that have sent 50 none converted clicks and above.

            Use exact or phrase match instead of broad match.

            Create 2 more ad copies with same keywords, and see which converts better.

            Rotate offers, Test same campaign from other network to see if it converts better.

            Hope that helps
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            • Profile picture of the author 2Dth
              Originally Posted by Mahmoud Selman View Post

              Try to optimize your ad copy and block any source that have sent 50 none converted clicks and above.

              Use exact or phrase match instead of broad match.

              Create 2 more ad copies with same keywords, and see which converts better.

              Rotate offers, Test same campaign from other network to see if it converts better.

              Hope that helps
              Thanks Mahmoud Selman. This really helped out a lot. This was really understandable and easy to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author aniebee
    This is great stuff - thank you! I really like your input on the 440 clicks/2 leads question - I wonder the same thing a lot of times -

    It's helpful to hear your process on what to do next.

    One question - how do I do this since I'm direct linking:

    "In order to see click-through information about the SubIDs (as well as the referring domains) which sent traffic to your account, please reference your raw server logs."

    Thank you again!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joey Babbs
      Does anyone know how to do this with tracking202 link?

      Example.....is it?

      hxxp://xxxxxxxxxx.com/tracking202/redirect/dl.php?t202idxxxx&t202kw=
      ###AFFID###-###RID######KEYWORD###

      which would result in a bunch of numbers then the keyword in your T202 results....

      is there an easier way?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mahmoud Selman
        Originally Posted by freddyfortunes View Post

        Does anyone know how to do this with tracking202 link?

        Example.....is it?

        hxxp://xxxxxxxxxx.com/tracking202/redirect/dl.php?t202idxxxx&t202kw=
        ###AFFID###-###RID######KEYWORD###

        which would result in a bunch of numbers then the keyword in your T202 results....

        is there an easier way?
        Since you are using P202, you will be able to see the domains sending the traffic to you so just block the URL's that you don't want. Track only the keywords.

        Originally Posted by 2Dth View Post

        Thanks Mahmoud Selman. This really helped out a lot. This was really understandable and easy to use.
        You are welcome. I am glad I could help

        Originally Posted by reigovilbiks View Post

        Basically you spend as much money on weeding out bad ids and testing on 7search as you might do the same in adwords, pof or fb, but much less testing because bigger networks have higher conversion rate.
        Hello Reigo,

        Testing on FB, POF and adwords is way much more expensive than testing on 7search.

        So for someone with tiny or low budget, its way better to start learning PPC with a platform that provide penny clicks like 7search.
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        • Profile picture of the author warrior55
          Hello Mahmoud,

          Thanks your detailed explanation. It is really very useful.
          But the point is that its still difficult to find which domains to block..

          In one of my cases, I had started about 4/5 campaigns with almost 4 to 500 clicks and no conversions.

          This could mean I could block almost all of the domains for these clicks as they did not result into conversions..

          Prosper202 gives all the information about domains, but weeding out the bad ones is still quite a random decision..

          How do we know which domains are really bad and which are not converting though being good.

          Its quite tricky judgement, right? Is there a pattern in domain names which one should look for ?

          Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author Mahmoud Selman
            Originally Posted by warrior55 View Post

            Hello Mahmoud,

            Thanks your detailed explanation. It is really very useful.
            But the point is that its still difficult to find which domains to block..

            In one of my cases, I had started about 4/5 campaigns with almost 4 to 500 clicks and no conversions.

            This could mean I could block almost all of the domains for these clicks as they did not result into conversions..

            Prosper202 gives all the information about domains, but weeding out the bad ones is still quite a random decision..

            How do we know which domains are really bad and which are not converting though being good.

            Its quite tricky judgement, right? Is there a pattern in domain names which one should look for ?

            Thanks
            If you notice a domain name that have sent you 40-50 none converted clicks then you should block that source.
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            • Profile picture of the author hazim799
              Originally Posted by Mahmoud Selman View Post

              If you notice a domain name that have sent you 40-50 none converted clicks then you should block that source.

              I interested to use a 7search fpr my cpa offer.

              But ,i have a question.

              normally,for 300 click,how much the lead I can get?50,100?
              for your info,the value for each click is 1.30 usd.
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              • Profile picture of the author 7SearchBrad
                Originally Posted by hazim799 View Post

                I interested to use a 7search fpr my cpa offer.

                But ,i have a question.

                normally,for 300 click,how much the lead I can get?50,100?
                for your info,the value for each click is 1.30 usd.
                Hazim,

                That number will depend on what the offer is that you are promoting. You can't really base it on a $1.30 unless you look at each keyword and see what those individual bids are. Have you created an account with us?

                Brad
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                • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
                  yeah 7search is pretty cool for fast traffic and alot of it for cheap.

                  I tried to do this blocking code on my account and the rep said that I needed to have more money spent with them and have account longer?..HMMM. So the option you describe above is not available in my account, go figure.

                  Thanks for post though!
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        Originally Posted by freddyfortunes View Post

        Does anyone know how to do this with tracking202 link?

        Example.....is it?

        which would result in a bunch of numbers then the keyword in your T202 results....

        is there an easier way?
        I'm trying to figure this out too and I think I have it working. You use the custom tag in Prosper202.

        It will look something like this:

        hxxp://xxxxxxxxxx.com/tracking202/redirect/dl.php?t202id=xxxxxx&c1=###AFFID###-###RID###&t202kw=###KEYWORD###

        When you set-up your campaign, you add in the affid=[[c1]] into the affiliate URL. You then have the ability to generate a report in Group Overview (under Overview tab) by grouping by c1.
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  • Profile picture of the author reigovilbiks
    Basically you spend as much money on weeding out bad ids and testing on 7search as you might do the same in adwords, pof or fb, but much less testing because bigger networks have higher conversion rate.
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  • Profile picture of the author zlc000190
    i am just going to use 7search. usesful post
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    Has anyone had great success using these smaller networks like 7search?
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  • is there a list anywhere of the bad domains that send crap traffic....?
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  • Profile picture of the author 7SearchBrad
    It is very important that advertisers are blocking the sources of traffic which are sending more than 75 clicks before considering blocking them. If you have questions you can always reach out to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author warfore
      Tracking is the key. You can use Prosper202 but if you have any technical questions then you are on your own because it lacks support (unless you pay $350/hr and someone will answer your issues).

      If you are going to pay $350 for them to consult then you are better off with a paid tracking system software like CPVLab (they have great support). It tracks everything in detail.

      If you have CPVLab and you are using 7search then just download a csv file for your campaign and insert a MS Excel Pivot table. It will point our the guilty parties quickly and you can block their affiliate ids or their domains. It works well for me. Hope this helps.

      BTW you can set up CPVLab to alert you when your campaign hits certain low performance parameters automatically. I have not used that part yet.
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    what is 7search?
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      Originally Posted by tylerjaysen View Post

      yeah 7search is pretty cool for fast traffic and alot of it for cheap.

      I tried to do this blocking code on my account and the rep said that I needed to have more money spent with them and have account longer?..HMMM. So the option you describe above is not available in my account, go figure.

      Thanks for post though!
      Tyler,

      I would like to discuss this with you as I believe you have been misinformed by a member of our team. I can shoot over the prequalifiers for blocking subids right away. Email me at bstanley at 7search dot com. I am glad to work with you on this.

      Originally Posted by apowow View Post

      what is 7search?
      7Search is the largest and oldest privately owned pay per click search engine on the market. We are also the only engine with a patented technology to detect click fraud. Additionally, as I mentioned to Tyler, we give our advertisers the ability to block traffic sources. We are cost effective supplement to Adwords, Adcenter and YSM. I would be glad to have further discussions with you. Email me at the above address.

      Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author Mahmoud Selman
    Hello Brad,

    I am so happy to see you around as usual helping out the WF members and 7search advertisers.

    The service and support you and 7search team offering is great and 1st class. That's why I highly recommend 7search as PPC advertising platform.

    Thank you!
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    • Profile picture of the author hazim799
      Originally Posted by Mahmoud Selman View Post

      Hello Brad,

      I am so happy to see you around as usual helping out the WF members and 7search advertisers.

      The service and support you and 7search team offering is great and 1st class. That's why I highly recommend 7search as PPC advertising platform.

      Thank you!

      how much do you spend per month with 7search?300 to 400usd?or more?
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    • Profile picture of the author 7SearchBrad
      Originally Posted by Mahmoud Selman View Post

      Hello Brad,

      I am so happy to see you around as usual helping out the WF members and 7search advertisers.

      The service and support you and 7search team offering is great and 1st class. That's why I highly recommend 7search as PPC advertising platform.

      Thank you!
      Mahmoud,

      I certainly try as much as I can to ensure the success of our clients. I want to make myself available to anyone and everyone should they have questions about 7Search.

      Pleasure speaking with you always.

      Brad
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    very nice tip suleman
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  • Profile picture of the author domo
    Anyone know how to setup CPVLab to track ###AFFID###-###RID### for 7search?
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    • Profile picture of the author warfore
      Originally Posted by domo View Post

      Anyone know how to setup CPVLab to track ###AFFID###-###RID### for 7search?
      Yes, you have to use the token "&keyword=###KEYWORD###" in the main token box. For ###AFFID###-###RID### you have to check the box for "capture extra tokens" and add individually. It works well.
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  • Profile picture of the author domo
    Thanks Tony, I got that setup and it is working well. What web host do you guys use for CPVLab?
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    • Profile picture of the author mraffiliate
      A quick way to enable sub id tracking for your 7search account is to login and hit the chat button and they will do it right then. I just did it and it took less than 5 minutes.
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    • Profile picture of the author warfore
      Originally Posted by domo View Post

      Thanks Tony, I got that setup and it is working well. What web host do you guys use for CPVLab?
      I use Beyond Hosting. No issues to date.
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  • Profile picture of the author fishka
    Can anybody share their "bad" AFFID list? So not to pay bad publishers and those who use clickbots (and they do so) during tests .
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      Originally Posted by fishka View Post

      Can anybody share their "bad" AFFID list? So not to pay bad publishers and those who use clickbots (and they do so) during tests .
      It depends on the offer and the campaign so someone's bad AFFID may be appropriate for them but not for you. Hope this helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author fishka
        Originally Posted by warfore View Post

        It depends on the offer and the campaign so someone's bad AFFID may be appropriate for them but not for you. Hope this helps.
        Thanks. Now I got it. I thought that they have some kind of Publishers ID so we could be able to block specific publishers from their network that provide fake clicks .
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  • Profile picture of the author microsoftofd
    Cool, Giving it a try right now.Thanks for the great info.
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  • Profile picture of the author conec40
    a question:
    These variables are used for any cpa network?
    I would like to inform me, thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author cjshu99
    d. Under Account Tools, click on the Manage SubID blocks or Manage Domain blocks link.
    For some reason I am not seeing this.
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    Forgive me sir I have no experienced about it please forgive me.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyborgX
    Thats undoubtedly a good share. Tons of info. Thanks for the share. Keep it up.
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    • Profile picture of the author mootonandy
      I am thinking I may need another kind of software to analyse for the bad SUBIDs. I have just been waiting a few days and getting the SUBIDs out of my CPA report that did not convert and them blocking them. I have a felling that this is wrong, because although my campaign cost has gone down, so have my conversions.
      Could anyone tell me how they are analysing for the bad SUBIDs?
      Thanks a lot.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mahmoud Selman
        Originally Posted by mootonandy View Post

        I am thinking I may need another kind of software to analyse for the bad SUBIDs. I have just been waiting a few days and getting the SUBIDs out of my CPA report that did not convert and them blocking them. I have a felling that this is wrong, because although my campaign cost has gone down, so have my conversions.
        Could anyone tell me how they are analysing for the bad SUBIDs?
        Thanks a lot.
        You need a tracking system as prosper202 to be able to track clicks in real time.
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        • Profile picture of the author mootonandy
          Originally Posted by Mahmoud Selman View Post

          You need a tracking system as prosper202 to be able to track clicks in real time.
          I c. Thx. Do you know if it can be run on justhost hosting?
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  • Profile picture of the author baliboy
    thanks for your share.. want to try again 7search.. hope i will get lucky..
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  • Profile picture of the author alexdan4
    not a bad idea thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author mootonandy
      Does anyone know if you treat it as the same RID if the first part of the RID is the same but after the first and second - its different. For example:

      774658-357-34266
      774658-984-802
      774658-224-6788

      These are not real ones just examples.

      The thing is in my prosper202 I have one AFFID who has a lot of RIDs and its going to end up costing a lot to know which one to block if it goes on like this. So I am thinking maybe I could just treat them as the same RID if the first part is the same?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joey Babbs
    I found this :

    The ###AFFID### is the affiliate’s ID number from 7Search that you are getting traffic from. The ###RID### variable is that affiliate’s website ID that they are generating traffic from. Obviously, each affiliate has their own ID, but each affiliate can have many websites so each website has it’s own ID as well. It’s common to see that one website from an affiliate on 7Search may be generating conversions, but another may not. Later
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