No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now!

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Hey gang,

Check this out:

Make Money Online - Working From Home Doing Simple Typing and Data Entry

DO NOT! I REPEAT, DO NOT ORDER THIS!

But, check out where you are sent after you click the "Click Here To Get Yours Now" link.

The guy on the site's name is Kevin, yet the site is registered to a David.

Tell me this isn't blatant and outright fraud?

It's folks like this that give all of us a bad name in this business.

Scot
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  • Profile picture of the author NetMediaGeek
    Yeah i've seen that Google Cash knocking about, kevin is sometimes a different person and name, its a continuity con !!!!!!!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author uwa223
      You do NOT have to be a deceiver to make money with cpa. Honest marketers do very well. You hardly ever hear of a white hat marketer having problem with their network.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Oliver
        I live in Waco, Tx.

        Looked up names in the phone book.

        Nowhere to be found.

        Buyer beware.

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    What may surprise you is that the CPA networks WOULD BE HAPPY for you to use a landing page like that, because the conversion rates are very, very, very good. When networks see landing pages like those, they don't decline the application, they simply ask "can you do it for our other offers too?". The networks aren't so innocent.
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    Originally Posted by Scot Standke View Post

    Hey gang,

    Check this out:

    Make Money Online - Working From Home Doing Simple Typing and Data Entry

    DO NOT! I REPEAT, DO NOT ORDER THIS!

    But, check out where you are sent after you click the "Click Here To Get Yours Now" link.

    The guy on the site's name is Kevin, yet the site is registered to a David.

    Tell me this isn't blatant and outright fraud?

    It's folks like this that give all of us a bad name in this business.

    Scot
    Its a ''Flog'' (fake blog)
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    • Profile picture of the author chemo38
      A Flog....I love it!!
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    • Profile picture of the author kishapeach70
      I didn't do my research and ordered this program after I was laid off. It was definitely not as described, I agree "Buyer beware!" Keep your money and look for a better opportunity
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinHoeffer
    Hey Guys my bro David just told me about this thread.

    Not quite sure what the issue is - I made a blog to tell people about how I make money using google. Thats what you guys do - maybe its the fact that you have to pay 1.97 to get instant access and you cannot afford 2 bucks or something...

    Either way Good luck bros.

    Kevin
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Oliver
      Kevin,

      Just curious. Which pipe company in Waco,Tx. did
      you get laidoff from as an accountant?

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    • Profile picture of the author dorim
      Originally Posted by KevinHoeffer View Post

      Hey Guys my bro David just told me about this thread.

      Not quite sure what the issue is - I made a blog to tell people about how I make money using google. Thats what you guys do - maybe its the fact that you have to pay 1.97 to get instant access and you cannot afford 2 bucks or something...

      Either way Good luck bros.

      Kevin
      Do you really live in South Berwick Maine like it says on your blog? Also you are stating two different jobs you lost in the last few months, one version says you were an accountant in South Berwick and the other version says you were an account rep. Both very different jobs. Is your blog just some boilerplate blog everyone is this game uses? If you are legit and this sytem is legit I want to meet you because I live ten miles from South Berwick Maine. What manufacturing company did you lose your job from? Where in South Berwick Maine did you work as an accountant?

      "My name is Kevin Hoeffer. I live in South Berwick, ME . I have been married 3 years to Audrey. I lost my job as a boring account rep for a manufacturing company a few months back."

      Hey, my name is Kevin and welcome to my blog. I worked as an accountant in South Berwick, ME and lost my job three months ago.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
        Originally Posted by john7334 View Post

        I clicked on this Kevin guy's link, and it says he lives in Oak Park, MI. I live in Michigan, too. So, he must have some kind of gadget that finds a local city based on who is clicking the link.
        Yeah, same here. I'm in Vancouver and his link says he's from Vancouver...

        I guess it's a google app that reads your IP.

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      • Profile picture of the author dorim
        Originally Posted by john7334 View Post

        I clicked on this Kevin guy's link, and it says he lives in Oak Park, MI. I live in Michigan, too. So, he must have some kind of gadget that finds a local city based on who is clicking the link.
        No, he lives in San Jose, Calif.
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      • Profile picture of the author dorim
        Originally Posted by john7334 View Post

        I clicked on this Kevin guy's link, and it says he lives in Oak Park, MI. I live in Michigan, too. So, he must have some kind of gadget that finds a local city based on who is clicking the link.
        He should do his research better before picking out towns to claim citizenship in, South Berwick Maine has no manufacturing, in fact the town has about 5,000 people. He's be hard pressed to even find a job as an accountant there, its all mom and pop shops......
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    Hey it was Pioneer Steel
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    Hey Kevin,

    Just out of curiosity, why is the domain registered to someone from the UK if you live in Texas?

    If this is a legitimate offer I will publicly apologize in this thread, but it just looked extremely fishy at first glance.

    What is the link to the program Google does this with?

    I've been in this business a heck of a long time, have made hundreds of thousands off Google in the past and I've never seen it, who knows, if it's legit I'd sign up under you

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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Oliver
      Near Elm Mott?

      They were looking for a saleman several months
      ago through an employment agency. I almost applied.

      Then bam went the economy. Drive by there everday.

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    • Profile picture of the author KevinHoeffer
      Hey Scott,

      No offence taken man. Trust me I have seen so many scams and crappy things on the internet that I was dubious at first too

      To answer your question - My bro lives in the UK - he set my blog up for me. When I say I know very little about computers and setting up websites I really mean it lol.

      To answer your other question yes it is legit - I am not quite at your level of money making with google (yet ) but I am earning about $5k a month using this system. Trust me man if I can make that amount without having too many computer skills then someone who knows about internet marketing would totally kill it with this system.

      I give it my thumbs up and for the price - like less than 2 bucks - you really cant go wrong with it.

      No need for an apology man - I understand that you got the wrong end of the stick.

      Cheers

      Kevin
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    Can you point me to the program Google does this through?

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  • Profile picture of the author KevinHoeffer
    Hey Scot - you can get instant access to the program by following any of the links on my blog.
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      Scamtastic My Man.........
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    • Profile picture of the author Kyle L Hannah
      Originally Posted by KevinHoeffer View Post

      Hey Scot - you can get instant access to the program by following any of the links on my blog.

      ....LOL...
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    Man, that pipe company must go through a lot of employees, here is another guy that had the same exact job:

    Eric Makes Money

    Interesting

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  • Profile picture of the author dorim
    Look at these sites, they look like the one Kevin Hoeffer is pushing, only he lives in different states and has different pics of himself and his wife.
    http://www.libertycn.com/
    Earn Google Cash Online - How I Make $5,000 a Month Posting Links on Google
    Harry Makes Money!
    Make Up To $5,000 a Month - iptvmovies.info
    Would You Like to Make $5,000 a Month Posting a Link on Google?
    RyansRoadToRiches.com
    Kevin Gets Green - How I Make $5,000 a Month Posting Links on Google

    Google these words and see all the sites that come up:
    So, I took an extremely low paying job as an account manager at a ... with all the interest fees and late payments our balance never went down
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    Here's a few more:

    Mark’s Got Cash — How to blog

    Jay Got Money Blog

    Same exact check on two different guys sites, and one has him as a Mark Hoeffer, not Kevin.

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    hahaha. Kevin you should be ashamed of yourself to come in to the Warrior Forum and to try to scam us. But the guys but you back i your place. I think you should be banned now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    Here is the same check and the guys name is Jeremy, same wedding pick as one of the other guys too:

    JeremyMadeCash.com :: Make Money At Home Online

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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
      Originally Posted by Scot Standke View Post

      Here is the same check and the guys name is Jeremy, same wedding pick as one of the other guys too:

      JeremyMadeCash.com :: Make Money At Home Online

      Scot
      Hey Scot...I wouldn't want to get you on my tail

      Nice piece of research.

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      • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
        Originally Posted by Steve Taylor View Post

        Hey Scot...I wouldn't want to get you on my tail

        Nice piece of research.

        -Steve
        LOL, it wasn't really that tough, but thanks.

        When he showed up here he had me feeling guilty for a minute thinking I posted a false accusation, but I guess my initial gut instant was right.

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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    And then came Bill:

    Bill Gets Money - How I Make $5,000 a month from Google

    This thing is massive.

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  • Profile picture of the author dorim
    Hey Kevin, there are many legit ways to make money, just spend some time reading this forum. You don't have to lie, cheat and scam people. You'll make more money doing it honestly than they way you are doing it and you'll be able to sleep at night.
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  • Profile picture of the author dorim
    We need a special category for scams, to warn other warriors.
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  • Profile picture of the author getinmoney
    Banned
    I think it should start being harder to get in to the warrior forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author dorim
    Here's another scam to beware of:
    BethsMoney Discussed
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  • Profile picture of the author Gabe77
    Thanks guys for bringing this up. Looks like this Kevin guy or whatever his or her name is, is everywhere!
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    I probably be flamed for this but isn't this the same marketing that goes on on TV, radio, infomercials, news sites etc?

    Fake testimonials, fake stories (In college is called: Art of Story telling) etc

    While we as marketers KNOW that every single thing on that page is fake and designed to have as many people as possible sign up for his CPA offer we have to give him /her /it credit.

    He has been able to capitalize on a ton of traffic, has taken action and it's making something happen.

    Before people come and flame me for the way he is marketing, please think of all the real world places this happens at. Real estate, mechanics, car salesmen and the ton of other professions that follow the same exact blueprint.

    I am just like you
    I also am married (shows stability and responsability)
    These are my children
    I used to work at a place I hated
    I got fired
    I was desperate for a while
    I found this and for only $2.00 you cant go wrong.
    Now I am so happy to have paid all my bills
    and you can too!!!

    While I do not market like that, I know a bunch of warriors that do.
    (unless you're only into 1 niche)
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    • Profile picture of the author dorim
      Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

      I probably be flamed for this but isn't this the same marketing that goes on on TV, radio, infomercials, news sites etc?

      Fake testimonials, fake stories (In college is called: Art of Story telling) etc

      While we as marketers KNOW that every single thing on that page is fake and designed to have as many people as possible sign up for his CPA offer we have to give him /her /it credit.

      He has been able to capitalize on a ton of traffic, has taken action and it's making something happen.

      Before people come and flame me for the way he is marketing, please think of all the real world places this happens at. Real estate, mechanics, car salesmen and the ton of other professions that follow the same exact blueprint.

      I am just like you
      I also am married (shows stability and responsability)
      These are my children
      I used to work at a place I hated
      I got fired
      I was desperate for a while
      I found this and for only $2.00 you cant go wrong.
      Now I am so happy to have paid all my bills
      and you can too!!!

      While I do not market like that, I know a bunch of warriors that do.
      (unless you're only into 1 niche)
      Creating fake details to promote a legit business is completely different than creating fake details to perpetuate a scam.
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      • Profile picture of the author danhughes
        Originally Posted by dorim View Post

        Creating fake details to promote a legit business is completely different than creating fake details to perpetuate a scam.
        Whoa! Define scam! I can think of a bunch of techniques I have used successfully that many people have called scams. If you asked the average non IM person to come and look at this site, the vast majority would say that it's all a scam.

        @ greenovni

        Far from flaming you, I actually agree with you. His central technique was good, but he went about it in a very wrong way.

        What the guy inadvertently did was create a brand. It really wouldn't have been that hard to have been honest in his story telling and been much more successful.

        I'm am 100% certain that David has a lot of similar stories to the fake ones that are actually real. The fake pictures he posted actaully look a lot like his real picture (the last one in my other post). There are SO many biz-op / make money programs to pick from I have no idea why people insist on writing fake reviews for crappy products. Buy some products... or call product creators and ask them for a comp. Review it and post the story. It's *exactally* the same thing, but 100% legitimate.

        If David would have done that he would now have a very strong brand he could be proud of and we would all be here congratulating him.

        **This is the real technique that all 'Gurus' use, every single one of them. Think how much the Kern brand or Filsaime brand are worth now! All of them were / are just an honest version of Kevin / David**
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    dorim: The problem is that EVERY ONE likes to throw the word scam around. It is not a scam, it is actually a FORCED CONTINUITY product like the hundreds out there including the As seen on TV products.

    danhughes: If he would have sticked to 1 story, 1 picture he would be getting the congratulations of each and every one of us.

    Funny that there are times that a lot of warriors write these reviews without even looking at the product and then throw stones right through their glass houses.

    Now, what I ask myself - even as his brand is "tarnished" is he still making a ton of $$$?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ant West
      Hey all , my uncle fell for this scam

      once you sign up after so long it charges you $97 per month and it's very hard to cancel the subscription if you read the terms on the site it's in very i mean very small writing out of a huge terms and conditions page

      you notice he aint replying anymore




      Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

      dorim: The problem is that EVERY ONE likes to throw the word scam around. It is not a scam, it is actually a FORCED CONTINUITY product like the hundreds out there including the As seen on TV products.

      danhughes: If he would have sticked to 1 story, 1 picture he would be getting the congratulations of each and every one of us.

      Funny that there are times that a lot of warriors write these reviews without even looking at the product and then throw stones right through their glass houses.

      Now, what I ask myself - even as his brand is "tarnished" is he still making a ton of $$$?
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      Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

      dorim: The problem is that EVERY ONE likes to throw the word scam around. It is not a scam, it is actually a FORCED CONTINUITY product like the hundreds out there including the As seen on TV products.

      danhughes: If he would have sticked to 1 story, 1 picture he would be getting the congratulations of each and every one of us.

      Funny that there are times that a lot of warriors write these reviews without even looking at the product and then throw stones right through their glass houses.

      Now, what I ask myself - even as his brand is "tarnished" is he still making a ton of $$$?

      I completely agree with all of your comments!
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      Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

      dorim: The problem is that EVERY ONE likes to throw the word scam around. It is not a scam, it is actually a FORCED CONTINUITY product like the hundreds out there including the As seen on TV products.?
      How is what this guy is doing Forced Continuity; isn't that a definition of a monthly membership site?

      How do you know he's not running a scam? Does he deliver a product for the $1.97 shipping? A product that has worth and value?
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      • Profile picture of the author JimWay
        I have to say this thread was really funny. I thought it was a joke at first. No offence to anyone by the way, but these have been around for a good while. If you don't look at the title and know that is a cpa rebill offer then I don't think you have seen the inside of any cpa network. You have to give "kevin" credit though for coming on here and trying to get a couple extra conversions lol.

        Not saying i agree with this marketing strategy. But yes log in to any cpa network and you will see tons of the same rebills. Even if you market these in a "ethical" way, you still have to deal with scammy advertisers ripping people off rebilling them over and over. So in that case stay away from rebill offers.

        OH and when you promote a email submit offer there email will be getting passed around and spammed so much they won't know what hit them so stay away from those too.

        And the auto lead you are pushing, well now that person will be getting called by up to 8 Companies over and over until they are so sick and tired of calls they change there number. STAY AWAY FROM CPA.

        Ok enough joking, just wanted to lighten up this thread and hopefully make some people laugh. Yes being ethical is very high in my book, but sometimes you just have to laugh at what people do and fall for and keep on keepin on.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheCren
        Originally Posted by dorim View Post

        How is what this guy is doing Forced Continuity; isn't that a definition of a monthly membership site?

        How do you know he's not running a scam? Does he deliver a product for the $1.97 shipping? A product that has worth and value?
        There are many CPA networks with offers like his. They wouldn't be able to offer a $2 (or less) product and payout $30-40 unless it was forced continuity. And as a previous poster said, it's buried in the TOCs (if you want you can read to find the truth).

        **** berry programs do the same thing which is why they're so popular. The customer just pays shipping and handling and then they're automatically signed up to receive 30 days worth of pills every month (or 60 days worth every 2 months - in one program I've seen) for $40-60. And you can find the same stories on those blogs. Lookup "<random female name>'s diet blog" to see those. OMG I got one on the first try no joke lmao:

        jenny's diet blog - Google Search

        And I saw this lady's picture everywhere for some **** search I did! She's more popular than "Kevin/David" in a major way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    Hmmmm,

    Click the original link I supplied in this thread...

    Seems he set up a redirect to MSN

    Forced continuity or not, I can assure you that using fake testimonials and pictures is a serious no-no.

    Here's another site using the same crap:

    Jesse's Gets Green blog, How I got 12k in 30 days.

    Same story, exact same testimonials, different city, different name, same exact story.

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    Thanks for the info.
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    Stone cold busted
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    • Profile picture of the author Finch
      CPA networks don't frown upon this type of promotion at all. They encourage it.

      Most affiliate managers I've worked with on these kind of promotions have offered great advice about covering the legal issues. If you know your disclaimers and your legal disclosures, you should be fine.

      As for checking up on a product before you promote it...give me a break.

      When was the last time you "got laid tonight" from a CPA signup? Yeah, exactly.

      It's down to the affiliate networks to approve the legitimacy of an offer before it gets accepted on to the network. I'm not gonna waste my time popping **** bills and tipping the scales before I get the moral satisfaction that I'm allowed to make money from a bunch of naive idiots.

      The flog is, and will remain, one of the best methods of promoting CPA.
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      • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
        Originally Posted by Finch View Post

        CPA networks don't frown upon this type of promotion at all. They encourage it.

        Most affiliate managers I've worked with on these kind of promotions have offered great advice about covering the legal issues. If you know your disclaimers and your legal disclosures, you should be fine.

        As for checking up on a product before you promote it...give me a break.

        When was the last time you "got laid tonight" from a CPA signup? Yeah, exactly.

        It's down to the affiliate networks to approve the legitimacy of an offer before it gets accepted on to the network. I'm not gonna waste my time popping **** bills and tipping the scales before I get the moral satisfaction that I'm allowed to make money from a bunch of naive idiots.

        The flog is, and will remain, one of the best methods of promoting CPA.
        Wow, now that post is truly pathetic. Do you want us to take you seriously or should we just forget about your comments like you forget about reviewing products before promoting them - unreal. I think your hat is a bit too tight.

        "naive idiots"

        "As for checking up on a product before you promote it...give me a break."

        Could you be any more brazen? Maybe you should tell people they can rob a bank too as long as they know their disclaimers.

        Man, you certainly didn't learn your ethics from mainstream Warriors. I had to check your post again to see if I read it right.

        All is fair in selling and stealing until you or one of your family members is targeted. Then, you find a way to make the instant metamorphosis to victim status and whine like a piglet.
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        • Profile picture of the author Finch
          Originally Posted by jcaviani View Post

          Wow, now that post is truly pathetic. Do you want us to take you seriously or should we just forget about your comments like you forget about reviewing products before promoting them - unreal. I think your hat is a bit too tight.
          So you've personally tried and tested every last product you ever linked to? Uh huh. I'm sure the majority of the successful earners in the affiliate marketing industry will be with you on that one...

          Could you be any more brazen? Maybe you should tell people they can rob a bank too as long as they know their disclaimers.
          It's an aggressive sales push. You don't make money by politely asking people "hey like guys, I've got this product, can you like buy it please?"

          When I look at the list of offers in my affiliate networks, I assume that those offers have passed quality check and that they aren't going to be scams. I don't like scams any more than the next person. But the rebill is NOT a scam. It's a tactic used mainstream and as long as the terms are stated, it's all legal buddy.

          Man, you certainly didn't learn your ethics from mainstream Warriors. I had to check your post again to see if I read it right.
          Ethics? People are generally stupid. People will generally waste their money on stupid things they don't need. I don't condone scam offers at all, but if the terms are stated and they still go ahead with the purchase, that's their risk assessment.

          All is fair in selling and stealing until you or one of your family members is targeted. Then, you find a way to make the instant metamorphosis to victim status and whine like a piglet.
          Right, okay. Tell me how promoting an offer on an affiliate network is stealing? There's no way for an affiliate to tell whether an offer is a scam without trying it.

          All the guys who promote dating on the web - did they sign up personally and meet their wives there? Most of all marketing is appealing to the best case scenario. The reality rarely sells.

          In this case, the flog is merely a web version of the infomercial and about a thousand other examples. Is it REALLY news that affiliates are creating fake testimonials to send traffic to an offer? This stuff has been going on for years.

          The scams are just that, scams. Don't get them mixed up with controversial marketing tactics.
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      • Profile picture of the author KentuckyJeff
        Originally Posted by Finch View Post

        CPA networks don't frown upon this type of promotion at all. They encourage it.

        Most affiliate managers I've worked with on these kind of promotions have offered great advice about covering the legal issues. If you know your disclaimers and your legal disclosures, you should be fine.

        As for checking up on a product before you promote it...give me a break.

        When was the last time you "got laid tonight" from a CPA signup? Yeah, exactly.

        It's down to the affiliate networks to approve the legitimacy of an offer before it gets accepted on to the network. I'm not gonna waste my time popping **** bills and tipping the scales before I get the moral satisfaction that I'm allowed to make money from a bunch of naive idiots.

        The flog is, and will remain, one of the best methods of promoting CPA.


        Unfortunately, there's too many people trying to make easy money "from a bunch of naive idiots."

        I'm glad I was raised better than that.

        I bet your parents must be proud.

        Lie about having a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door.
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    • Profile picture of the author Powder_Skier
      Thanks for all the detective work - and for a good laugh! Interesting script too - hmmmmm LOL!!
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      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- this is classic
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    Re-billing monthly and hiding it in some very small print = forced continuity
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Vercetti
    Well I dont really see what all the fuss is about this site. It is simply a fake blog or fake review site, which are very very commonly used in promoting CPA offers such as the "Make Money with Google!" stuff, government grants, etc.
    Yes, the stories, pictures and testimonials are probably fake, but these tactics are also widely used to promote ebooks like the ones on Clickbank, with salespages full off hype and stock photos of Ferrari cars, yachts, mansions that the author claims are his, and that he makes $1000000 a day "putting links on Google".
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    TheCren,

    In case you missed it, the **** Berry promos are under heavy scrutiny from the FTC, here's an informative article on this topic:

    **** Berry Diet Weightloss Blogs Under Fire From FTC - ShoeMoney®

    Just because they are everywhere does not make it right. What's the old saying, "if your friends all jump off a bridge, would you do it too?"

    The use of fake testimonials is highly illegal!

    It's this "look the other way" mentality that is going to eventually kill CPA as we know it.

    These **** 'fake blogs' you see everywhere use a model that is actually PhotoShopped to make it look like she lost a ton of weight and it's in no way shape or form a true story.

    If you partake in these type schemes, beware that you could be getting a visit at your front door from guys in black cars and suits

    The fake blogs pointed out in the original post employ much the same fake materisl including fake testimonials, names, etc.

    Having said all that, there are probably 95 good continuity programs for every bad, you just need to be selective if you want to be able to sleep at night.

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    • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
      I think some of you may want to learn or relearn the definition of fraud.

      It doesn't matter one iota how widely used or any of the other drivel some of you are citing as a justification. It's FRAUD!

      For all you so-called gurus teaching this crapola (examples in some CPA courses using **** Berry), your day will come too. If I were you, I might consider editing your courses or a copy may find its way to the FTC.

      Forced continuity is not the issue. The issue is fake people, fake testimonials, etc. FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD!

      These bullshit blogs are exactly the types of FAKE blogs the FTC considers illegal. Go ahead and become their poster child. I find it amazing that many of you have NO IDEA what Fraud is.

      Btw, if any of you miscreants want to try a denial of service on my server for pointing out your scam, you had better know who you are dealing with. I will make it my life's mission to track you down like a convict who just escaped from prison - try me.

      Vito
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    Folks, a forced continuity, using small text or what have you, is not the issue here and I have no problems with that approach, the real issue is...

    These folks are being lured into these scams under false pretenses, outright fraud and you are opening yourself up for a world of hurt if you knowingly promote products like these.

    Ignorance is not an excuse and you will be laughed out of court if that is your defense, you are ultimately responsible for the products you promote, so make damn sure they are on the up and up before you blindly start promoting things after being blinded by the almighty $ signs.

    I know of several well known CPA courses that use one of these scams as an example in their materials, so please be careful and do your due diligence before jumping into any of these things.

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  • Profile picture of the author AdamsRib
    Hi Scot. Yep. I clicked on the link and only saw a link to an MSN story on mind-controlling wasps. Maybe your detective work made him fly away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    Here is the exact statement from the "FTC GUIDES CONCERNING USE OF ENDORSEMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS IN ADVERTISING" located here:

    FTC GUIDES CONCERNING USE OF ENDORSEMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS IN ADVERTISING

    "§255.1 General considerations.

    (a) Endorsements must always reflect the honest opinions, findings, beliefs, or experience of the endorser. Furthermore, they may not contain any representations which would be deceptive, or could not be substantiated if made directly by the advertiser. [See Example 2 to Guide 3 (§255.3) illustrating that a valid endorsement may constitute all or part of an advertiser's substantiation.]"

    Now, I'm not arguing that it's not prevalent or that many people get caught doing it, but this is a fact and everyone should be aware of it in their marketing tactics if they want to sleep at night.

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  • Profile picture of the author Elliott
    This sounds like the scam - and it IS a scam - these folks are complaining about.
    Make Google Cash Complaints - I want to stop this program

    The gist of it is, you get a CD for the cost of shipping, usually just $1 or $2, but then you get charged $70-$80. 7 days later, and then $70 or $80 every month thereafter. Often there is no way to cancel, because they don't answer the phone or respond to emails, so they keep charging you every month. Sometimes they require you to download a form you must mail in, in order to cancel, but they don't respond to your requests for the link to the download page.

    Also, it says specifically in their TOS that you must request a refund within 7 days or you don't get one.

    It's totally a scam.

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    • A friend of mine says that offers like this are what $25 pre-paid debit cards are for. The $2 gets charged, but if it turns out to be BS it's what he calls a 'self-extinguishing' account. He loves those As Seen On TV, just-pay-shipping offers. Hasn't lost much weight, though...

      DISCLAIMER: I HAVE NO IDEA IF IT IS ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, OR FATTENING TO USE PREPAID DEBIT CARDS IN THIS FASHION.

      Further, I am not a lawyer and do not play on one TV or in this forum. Most of the time.

      Originally Posted by Elliott View Post

      This sounds like the scam - and it IS a scam - these folks are complaining about.
      Make Google Cash Complaints - I want to stop this program

      The gist of it is, you get a CD for the cost of shipping, usually just $1 or $2, but then you get charged $70-$80. 7 days later, and then $70 or $80 every month thereafter. Often there is no way to cancel, because they don't answer the phone or respond to emails, so they keep charging you every month. Sometimes they require you to download a form you must mail in, in order to cancel, but they don't respond to your requests for the link to the download page.

      Also, it says specifically in their TOS that you must request a refund within 7 days or you don't get one.

      It's totally a scam.

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  • Profile picture of the author Harvey Affcash
    All the info here, it spins my head around and around... It's slowly becoming ever so much meat, and then that meat spins some more....
    This is definitely a fast way to make monies online though, even if it's not legal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elliott
    It's not just "not legal", it's just plain stealing money from people who usually can't afford it, and find out too late they've been had. To me, the issue with some of these programs is not just that the landing pages are dishonest, but that behind the landing page is someone who is just out to get your money and in some cases deliver nothing at all to you, plus they have the gall to charge you monthly without providing a way for you to cancel, much less get your money back.
    At least the **** continuity programs usually do send out product - some of these others like "Make Google Cash" supposedly provide a membership, websites, tools etc, but actually never even send any kind of welcome email with log-in info.
    They just take people's money.
    That in my book, is a "scam".

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    • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
      What I find really sad and not at all isolated in the IM world is the number of people who find numerous ways to justify fraud.

      It's not aggressive marketing or any other euphemism you choose, it's fraud. I hope that seeps into some of the thick skulls out there.

      It' s not okay because everyone is doing it, it's fraud.

      Complicit in this bit of fraud is the media company advertising this abomination as well as the online newspapers where this particular company (to remain nameless to preserve the thread even though their name should be broadcast) places its ads.

      This thread is not about the forced continuity, which is legal. It's about a blog that contains the same story over and over again under multiple names. It's about phony testimonials. It's about deceit.

      Take a good look at this word - FRAUD. Look it up. Talking to some of you about this issue is a bit like talking to my teenager. He knows everything yet is unemeployed.

      Oh, and thanks for the life lesson, Finch, but I think you at least need to be able to grow a beard before you've got anything to teach me about how the world works.
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      • Profile picture of the author Finch
        Originally Posted by jcaviani View Post

        What I find really sad and not at all isolated in the IM world is the number of people who find numerous ways to justify fraud.

        It's not aggressive marketing or any other euphemism you choose, it's fraud. I hope that seeps into some of the thick skulls out there.

        It' s not okay because everyone is doing it, it's fraud.

        Complicit in this bit of fraud is the media company advertising this abomination as well as the online newspapers where this particular company (to remain nameless to preserve the thread even though their name should be broadcast) places its ads.

        This thread is not about the forced continuity, which is legal. It's about a blog that contains the same story over and over again under multiple names. It's about phony testimonials. It's about deceit.

        Take a good look at this word - FRAUD. Look it up. Talking to some of you about this issue is a bit like talking to my teenager. He knows everything yet is unemeployed.
        I know exactly what the word means and how it's implied, but the web is full of so many BS double standards that you're simply not going to find action taken against a fake testimonial on any widespread level. So what's your point? You don't like it? I don't like the number of signatures around this place telling me "blah blah blah buy this ebook and make $$$ a day like me". There's absolutely no difference!

        If you were to nail every last fake testimonial for fraud, the web would be a much smaller place and half the CPA networks would fold.

        You might not LIKE it, but it's the reality of the situation. There's no way of legally and viably removing every last fake testimonial from the web - how are you going to prove it? - legal action will continue to be restricted to the merchant's liability, the one directly responsible for scamming a customer. I wouldn't promote a single questionable rebill offer if I hadn't run that by every single one of my affiliate managers.

        Oh, and thanks for the life lesson, Finch, but I think you at least need to be able to grow a beard before you've got anything to teach me about how the world works.
        Right, and I'd care how you see the world if I wasn't already earning four figures a day to pay for the razor that shaves my face.
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        • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
          Finch,

          Why do I always see the word BUT in your posts.

          blah, blah, blah, but..... then come the endless rationalizations about what a shithole the web is and how it's pointless to follow the law - great philosophy.

          Once you graduate from your bottom feeding business models, you'll find businesses generally don't like to commit fraud. It's usually confined to mindless numb skulls who have little to lose. People who are committed to being in business for more than 5 minutes require a clean reputation and generally don't like their assets being seized, receiving large fines or spending time in the gulag eating ramens from a plate.

          I'm thinking about starting a crack business. You want to join me? You can do sales and marketing and I'll do production and testing. Everyone on Urban street corners in the US is doing it, why fight it.

          We'll do addiction as our business model - the street thugs version of auto-rebill

          You just keep writing. I'm enjoying your view of the world and business value.
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          • Profile picture of the author Finch
            Originally Posted by jcaviani View Post

            Finch,

            Why do I always see the word BUT in your posts.

            blah, blah, blah, but..... then come the endless rationalizations about what a shithole the web is and how it's pointless to follow the law - great philosophy.

            Once you graduate from your bottom feeding business models, you'll find businesses generally don't like to commit fraud. It's usually confined to mindless numb skulls who have little to lose. People who are committed to being in business for more than 5 minutes require a clean reputation and generally don't like their assets being seized, receiving large fines or spending time in the gulag eating ramens from a plate.

            I'm thinking about starting a crack business. You want to join me? You can do sales and marketing and I'll do production and testing. Everyone on Urban street corners in the US is doing it, why fight it.

            We'll do addiction as our business model - the street thugs version of auto-rebill

            You just keep writing. I'm enjoying your view of the world and business value.
            If you think a large majority of the highest earning affiliates on the web haven't tried this business model, you're pretty much walking blind.

            Don't you find it funny how a search for **** Berry throws up results consisting 95% of lying testimonials and fake reviews that you claim to be no more than doomed business models?

            Yeah, I highly doubt the guys who succeed in that niche market are going out of business anytime soon.

            To an extent you're right. There IS a risk attached to this business model. That's why you'd have to be an idiot to pin all of your income on it.

            The key to success is diversifying and having some nice squeaky clean White Hat money sites to cover all bases. And any shady-offer promoting affiliate with any sense will be just as successful, probably more so, in that particular field.

            To go back to the original point though:

            It's a wonder why so many CPA networks reject applications because of this?

            I've never had any issue with flogs, and I've run them by most of the major affiliate networks. Most of them see it as money in the bank. You can bet your bottom dollar that reps from certain networks are running the damn offers themselves.
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            • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
              Finch,

              It sometimes takes a while, but eventually the scammers are forfeiting their ill gotten gains to one alphabet agency or another.

              Group challenges **** berry weight-loss claims - CNN.com

              You might want to talk to a few of the more prominent internet marketers about it. I can name three right off the top of my head who have been bitch slapped and there's a growing knowledge base of experience from which to learn.

              To make amends, they all find God or apologize from behind sun glasses, but their practices really don't change and money remains their true God. They just repent and proclaim they are changed men and it's off to the next scam. To make matters worse, the web has a very short memory, so reinventing one's self if fairy easy.

              Somehow you have equated efficacy and pervasiveness of practice with ethical. I'm sure you would make Madoff proud. Now opening, "Weekend @ Bernie's" Seminar. Looking for all individuals with the moral compass of an Auschwitz guard. People who follow the rules need not apply. You are just chumps.
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              • Profile picture of the author Finch
                Originally Posted by jcaviani View Post

                Finch,

                It sometimes takes a while, but eventually the scammers are forfeiting their ill gotten gains to one alphabet agency or another.

                Group challenges **** berry weight-loss claims - CNN.com
                Umm, congratulations on finding an article featuring another bottomless promise of a crackdown and a lawsuit.

                These were doing the rounds 4 years ago and still you'll find the actual action taken to be a drop in an ocean. Affiliates and affiliate managers have been scoffing at threats like these for god knows how long.

                I don't see the competition in the **** berry market declining anytime soon, so what's your point?
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                • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
                  Finch,

                  I think I've made my point and I think you've made yours. You think it's okay to make money any way you can make it, while I don't. You admittedly know the difference, yet it doesn't matter. You have a rationalization for everything.

                  Even though I possess some of the best technical skills in the business, I choose restraint over a feeding frenzy. In the long run in business, your sense of ethics matters. I simply do not subscribe to the "everyone is doing it so it's okay" philosophy.

                  It's funny, in all of your rationalizations, never once have you mentioned the phrase creating value. You speak of naive idiots, flogs and have an endless supply of explanations for unethical behavior, but somehow the word value seems to elude you.

                  I don't agree with your viewpoints nor do I find any comfort in knowing there are hundreds more like you seeking Easy Button riches where the end (making money) justifies the means (by an means necessary) and just as many IM pushers who will supply the "Dream of Easy Riches in Your Underwear" elixir to anyone with a credit card. People with that dream and little knowledge don't deserve to be treated like chumps.

                  I have made my point and I don't need to go around and around with you while you try to justify your existence. Something tells me you will find endless ways to justify your shit sandwiches, but they are still shit.

                  Business is about creating value. If you can't do that then it's all just digital pollution.

                  Until you tweet again...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Finch
                    Originally Posted by jcaviani View Post

                    It's funny, in all of your rationalizations, never once have you mentioned the phrase creating value. You speak of naive idiots, flogs and have an endless supply of explanations for unethical behavior, but somehow the word value seems to elude you.
                    Why would I talk about something completely unrelated? If you want to discuss value, let's do it somewhere else. I've built and developed dozens of white hat "value sites" that exist to provide something useful to the end user. Maybe you should open your mind a little to the idea that ethics are rarely black and white.

                    You're essentially labeling anybody who promotes a rebill as a scammer, a fraud and a contradiction to your ethics. Well boohoo you, Go make some money another way.

                    I have made my point and I don't need to go around and around with you while you try to justify your existence. Something tells me you will find endless ways to justify your shit sandwiches, but they are still shit.
                    Far out, dude. My existence? That's pretty meaningful.

                    Your opinion is what it is. I don't personally care what you think of my business, because you know little to nothing about it. You've read a couple of posts and tarred the way I make money in the same tiring cliche. You talk about going round in circles with me, yet you don't seem to be getting any closer to a point other than that you don't agree with me, that it's ethically wrong, and blah blah blah. I'm not saying whether fake blogs are right or wrong. I'm saying they exist, they're profitable and it's highly unlikely that many of their authors are going to care about what some dude on Warrior Forum thinks of them.

                    As it goes, I spend very little of my time creating flogs - and the majority of my working day is geared towards the white hat squeaky clean enterprise you seem to crave. But don't let that warp your opinion, okay?
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  • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
    Originally Posted by Scot Standke View Post

    Hey gang,

    Check this out:

    Make Money Online - Working From Home Doing Simple Typing and Data Entry

    DO NOT! I REPEAT, DO NOT ORDER THIS!
    There is a thread about that url on DP:
    I make $5,000 p/month with Google

    There are loads of these 'flogs' (fake blogs):
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    I think this thread needs to die already.
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  • Profile picture of the author unlanthony
    Holy Crap,

    Great Job Scott :-)
    The freaking scammers are giving this industry a bad name, again great job busting Kevin... Kyle... Jeremy...Bill, oh I give up! I'll just call him Scammer!
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  • Profile picture of the author unlanthony
    You know I was going thru PPC Fraud and i am totally overwhelmed with the amount of fraudulent PPC advertisers that signed up to our network, i am new to WF and to forums, there are so many enlightening and interesting posts here. Thanks All!

    Lol, i tried to insert my post about Fraus and PPC, i don't have enough posts to insert links yet. But you can check it out under the title below on WF.

    Fraud, Fraud, Fraud and PPC, Please Help
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    • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
      Originally Posted by Finch View Post

      You're essentially labeling anybody who promotes a rebill as a scammer
      I have no argument with rebilling. Rebilling was around way before the internet, as were most of the techniques I see on the internet being claimed as new. The ONLY thing new about most of them is that they are on the internet now too.

      Please read what I wrote.

      Anyway, you're right, we know little about each other, so it's time to chill.

      I have no argument with you really. You just touched a nerve when you appeared to be defending Fraud.

      Fraud makes is harder for all of us. When the press or governments get a hold of this type of information, they tend to make broad sweeping generalizations and polices that cut an indiscriminate swath through a whole industry.

      Then, the general public being the beacon of discernment that it is, tends to make even more thoughtless fear based generalizations and the cycle spirals out of control, we lose all credibility and it take years to recover.

      As for squeaky clean, I'm afraid you have me confused with someone else. There are few around who know me as Vito and I have done more than my share of blackhat. However, I have always drawn the line at breaking the law.

      The sad and unintended consequence of this thread is that there are probably people out there right now scrambling to set this up because they know they can get away with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author BX2BK
      Originally Posted by unlanthony View Post

      You know I was going thru PPC Fraud and i am totally overwhelmed with the amount of fraudulent PPC advertisers that signed up to our network...
      hi,, if you check out more of this forum you will see that there are threads which tell people how to get accepted to cpa networks. one of them is to tell them you do ppc marketing and use industry jargon to sound legit.

      i think many networks will start cracking down hard the same way they have on incentive publishers.
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  • Profile picture of the author artlynch
    Very, very interesting!

    Within the 5 minutes It took me to read the posts in this forum and check some of the links, all that I click on now are, inactive, not in service, offer expired or parked.

    The man works fast!
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    • Profile picture of the author brendan301
      networks are beginning to crack down on fake blogs. I've seen on a couple offers where they're prohibiting that type of traffic. of course you could get around that with redirects.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    The Feds are already taking action on this very thing, check out this thread here for more details:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-solution.html

    This will effect anyone that sells anything online so I suggest you read this right away!

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  • Profile picture of the author tschlotter
    Fascinating, I checked out a few of the sites and the script said one guy was from Clarksville, TN (my hometown) and the other from Chapmansboro (close by) - wonder if someone is selling the actual blog site script, templates and/or photos for people to use for CPA stuff? Not that I'd be interested or anything, but I bet someone's making money off of the setup besides just the CPA and affiliates, unless of course it is all the same guy!!
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    ? Incentive publishers? There are still plenty of offers on all major networks that expressly allow and want incentive publishers. Nothing wrong with it, no crackdown.

    The only thing would be of course, those who use incentives where they are prohibited.
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    • Profile picture of the author BX2BK
      Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

      ? Incentive publishers? There are still plenty of offers on all major networks that expressly allow and want incentive publishers. Nothing wrong with it, no crackdown.
      actually several big name networks stopped doing incent altogether.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mary Laine
      OMG!! Do you mean that people actually photoshop Google checks? Hahaha I meant, do you mean that people actually DON'T photoshop Google checks and clickbank earnings statements?
      Seriously, thanks Scott, really this opened my eyes a lot. I will watch out for the forced continutity, that should be illegal!

      Originally Posted by Markus_Allen View Post

      I posted this on another thread that got ignored.

      All you have to do is look at Google checks to see that they're heavily Photoshopped:

      Just zoom in on this graphic:


      Many other "famous" marketers faked it 'til they made it with faked Google AdSense checks... check this out:

      HOLY CRAP - Gurus Show Us Fake Google AdSense Checks

      Here's another image of a check from Kevin... we know it's fake because the check number in the MICR code doesn't match:



      Plus Google only uses one font on their checks, not two (unless they've changed things since my last check).

      Sloppy faking if you ask me.
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    • Profile picture of the author tschlotter
      Originally Posted by herebuythis View Post

      Are you all really suprised that this kind of ad is a scam?
      I'm actually more surprised that your domain name cpamonkey is set up to redirect to an affiliate site. Hopefully you're still working on the site, thus have it set up that way - it's kind of a cool domain name to waste in my opinion (which hasn't been worth much lately anyway!!).

      Also, personally I think the CPA companies are fine with the fake blogs, etc., they actually get traffic from the market they're shooting for even if the claims aren't accurate on the website the people that take them up on their offer have a definite interest in the product.

      Seems like leads would be a lot worse from the sites that pay you to sign up for stuff (or not, whichever the case may be) because most people just sign up to get paid and don't give a crap about the actual offer, and those sites shouldn't be approved for CPA - but obviously hundreds are and are maing a killing.

      My point is if I were paying a CPA company to advertise my site, I wouldn't want it on a pay-per type site at all and, if it were relating to making money online, the fake blog leads would probably work much better.

      Sorry to ramble you all - I'm taking a break from feeding a baby bird that we found last night - the things you do for your kids are amazing eh?

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  • Profile picture of the author linclad
    Gee thanks guys!!

    I was starting to look at CPA..
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    Looks like Kevin's back!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Shellfish
    Kevin, his aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, stepsisters, 3rd cousin removed and a grandmother or two have taken over!

    I went via a proxy in Mongolia and Harry lives right next door in Ulaanbaatar! Amazing.

    Do a big G search in quotes.

    "A year ago I was an account manager for a (drum roll) a pipe manufacturing"

    Do a reverse domain on a few of them and it's pretty funny what other stuff he's into.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hereandthere
    I am reading things in the cpa section to consider doing something, but it sure sounds like I would have to do a huge amount of research to figure out which claims were legit. Think I'll just go back to the dog training ebook I've got half done.
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  • Profile picture of the author VaibhaV KumaR
    Quite a engaging debate goin on here but if its like forced continuity and people have no way to cancel, then why can't they just call up their CC company and ask them to stop payments or even report the merchant? Too easy eh? Am I missing something?
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    • Profile picture of the author j hogan
      Originally Posted by VaibhaV KumaR View Post

      Quite a engaging debate goin on here but if its like forced continuity and people have no way to cancel, then why can't they just call up their CC company and ask them to stop payments or even report the merchant? Too easy eh? Am I missing something?
      I just wanted to point out that it's not that easy to cancel an authorised payment on your credit card, even though it seems you should have this authority, you actually don't, once you give out your details you are authorsing the company to bill you card, only they can stop it.

      I got caught up in a forced continuity billing for an offline business that sold a product by mail order a few years ago. At the time it was promoted by a well known TV presenter on morning television. I made repeated calls to my credit card company and wrote letters to them to get the payment stopped. I was repeatedly told that since I had made the intial authorisation, (by giving them my cc number) that I had no authority to cancel it with the cc company.
      yeah unbelievable!!

      I persisted with fighting this, wrote regular letters sent by registered post, and sough help through the dept of fair trading and 18 months later I got my refund with interest from the cc company ( who I will never deal with again I might add!) most people give up.

      so rebilling is not always easy to cancel if the company running it is scamming you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shellfish
    For folks caught up in it this would not help much but in the future one could use a vcc loaded with $75 or whatever for the grey area stuff and if they don't let you off the hook, good luck charging the card.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Crouch
    The blog isn't so convincing. What I found very convincing was a news site this guy had setup. I found this thread attempting to find it. I was unable to do so because you'll notice these scam pages are set to noindex.

    The "news site" I seen seemed legit. I've been around a while and know these type of things are scams, but when I seen an article on a site that appeared to be the LA Times, I started to wonder if there really was something out there this easy that I didn't know about.

    Luckily, I did my research first and finally realized the news site was a fake. I just wished I would have kept the url.
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
      Originally Posted by Brent Crouch View Post

      The blog isn't so convincing. What I found very convincing was a news site this guy had setup. I found this thread attempting to find it. I was unable to do so because you'll notice these scam pages are set to noindex.

      The "news site" I seen seemed legit. I've been around a while and know these type of things are scams, but when I seen an article on a site that appeared to be the LA Times, I started to wonder if there really was something out there this easy that I didn't know about.

      Luckily, I did my research first and finally realized the news site was a fake. I just wished I would have kept the url.
      This one?
      The Los Angeles Tribune News Scam | The Electron Plumber

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  • Profile picture of the author unlanthony
    [QUOTE=honestbizpro;813227]This thread is a bit confusing. It states "No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now!"

    So is that a comment about advertisers or publishers?

    I totally agree!
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    You guys do realize that a lot of those (flogs) are actually created by the CPA companies right?
    A lot of the landing pages that CPA offers go to... are created by the CPA networks... Some of the larger ones have their own design team that make those. They even split test them and send your links to different pages without you even knowing it to see which landing pages convert the best.

    As far as Forced continuity...it is everywhere and it is old as the hills. It will continue to be everywhere... and Geo targeting is old as the hills.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Chandler
      Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

      You guys do realize that a lot of those (flogs) are actually created by the CPA companies right?
      A lot of the landing pages that CPA offers go to... are created by the CPA networks... Some of the larger ones have their own design team that make those. They even split test them and send your links to different pages without you even knowing it to see which landing pages convert the best.

      As far as Forced continuity...it is everywhere and it is old as the hills. It will continue to be everywhere... and Geo targeting is old as the hills.
      You are right Zero - continuity programs are what they are and it's how a lot of these offers are able to work for the advertiser and convert for the affiliate. Although Flogs are coming under scrutiny of late, and sometimes may cross the line in trying to make people convert, unless the advertisers or the networks expressly forbid it, publishers will continue to use them as a way to drive traffic to offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robin L.
    Before people come and flame me for the way he is marketing, please think of all the real world places this happens at. Real estate, mechanics, car salesmen and the ton of other professions that follow the same exact blueprint.

    I just wanted to point out that,.. In Real Estate, you can not deceive or withold information on any part of the transaction. There are federal laws, and State laws, and also there are very strict laws in advertising. Many people don't know that even if you are selling something that belongs to you, you are bound by the same laws and subject to the same penalties. When you are licensed by your state, they are just more strict w/ you. We can't even put riders on our ads like "MUST SEE" because it is discriminating against the blind..( even though your first thought is.. "well if they can't see it, how would they read it?" but that is how it is. The only reason I bring this up is because CPA Networks are set up EXACTLY like the Broker of Records and RE licesensee's.
    Even though I agree with what you said greenovni. I think this Kevin person is smarter that anyone is giving him credit for..(NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE PLEASE) BUT .. look how much "traffic" he got on his sites just from us looking them up and trying to find his sites?
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    • Profile picture of the author linguistics
      Originally Posted by Robin L. View Post

      Before people come and flame me for the way he is marketing, please think of all the real world places this happens at. Real estate, mechanics, car salesmen and the ton of other professions that follow the same exact blueprint.

      I just wanted to point out that,.. In Real Estate, you can not deceive or withold information on any part of the transaction. There are federal laws, and State laws, and also there are very strict laws in advertising. Many people don't know that even if you are selling something that belongs to you, you are bound by the same laws and subject to the same penalties. When you are licensed by your state, they are just more strict w/ you. We can't even put riders on our ads like "MUST SEE" because it is discriminating against the blind..( even though your first thought is.. "well if they can't see it, how would they read it?" but that is how it is. The only reason I bring this up is because CPA Networks are set up EXACTLY like the Broker of Records and RE licesensee's.
      Even though I agree with what you said greenovni. I think this Kevin person is smarter that anyone is giving him credit for..(NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE PLEASE) BUT .. look how much "traffic" he got on his sites just from us looking them up and trying to find his sites?
      What state do you live in where the words "must see" cannot be included? We've been working in real estate for over 15 years and have NEVER been approached to remove rider words such as "must see"
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  • Profile picture of the author iwanttomakemoney
    It's a flog. CPA companies are not against this whatsoever. In fact, my AM at one of the biggest CPA networks recently suggested using a flog to promote a new offer of this kind.
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  • Profile picture of the author embrown
    I don't believe anything I hear and only half of what I see.

    Maybe I'm just a natural skeptic, but sometimes I really find it hard to believe any of those photo of checks. I don't believe people's screen shots of Clickbank or Paypal - especially after I found the javascript code that makes it soooo easy to look like you are making 1000s a day. Videos, of you logging in an viewing your account are a little bit better, but I'm sure someone has figured out a way to fake that too.

    Oh, and don't get me started on testimonials. I usually don't even believe those. They seem a little bit better if they have a valid website URL attached. I was surfing through a PLR Membership site I'm trying out and found a testimonial script that is supposed to give real sounding and varied testimonials. Wow, just wow.
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    • Profile picture of the author linguistics
      Originally Posted by embrown View Post

      I don't believe anything I hear and only half of what I see.

      Maybe I'm just a natural skeptic, but sometimes I really find it hard to believe any of those photo of checks. I don't believe people's screen shots of Clickbank or Paypal - especially after I found the javascript code that makes it soooo easy to look like you are making 1000s a day. Videos, of you logging in an viewing your account are a little bit better, but I'm sure someone has figured out a way to fake that too.

      Oh, and don't get me started on testimonials. I usually don't even believe those. They seem a little bit better if they have a valid website URL attached. I was surfing through a PLR Membership site I'm trying out and found a testimonial script that is supposed to give real sounding and varied testimonials. Wow, just wow.
      The only problem that I see in what you wrote is that the GUY/Lady, is MAKING 1,000's a day doing what they are doing. They just aren't making it the way they are SAYING that they are making it, so, in retrospect, if they had only been truthful in saying how they were actually making money then it really cannot be deemed a scam. So, if I say that you are going to sign up and pay 1.94 for a cd, and we are going to hook you for 50bucks with a cancellation opportunity which has to be done in 7 days or less, plus, don't wait until the last minute to call due to a very high call volume and your call for cancellation may not be answered then there isn't much anyone can do if you agree to those terms.

      I bet a day off of my life that there would still be countless numbers of people still signing up for this thing...it's just the way the world works.

      Have you ever told someone not to go somewhere or do not drive fast? What do they do? They go to that unsafe place(club, party, etc) and what do they do when they get on the road? They do 90 to nothing...how many people we tell not to drink and drive because of the deadly dangers that exist? Yet, hundreds of thousands still do it...it's the world, it's how it works.

      I can throw up a landing page now, tell people that I am going to do exactly what this guy kevin didn't tell everyone, and i BET I make tons of cash still, even if i admit what I am going to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    i am on forums where people CLAIM that the CPA programs themselves are NOT holy people either <--- in fact, from what i read, some CPA companies (respective their vendors) are actually the biggest fraudsters of all. Keyword: Shaving, stealing keywords from affiliates, suspending affiliates and then use their keywords...things like that.

    It's all a big money game and everyone will take what they can if there's an opportunity.

    checks being faked? Oh my...this is very old. But doesnt change the fact that some affiliates DO make insane amounts of money.
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    looks like the site has been taken down. Wonder what happened there?
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    You ever heared of the term "You have to get it how you live"? I'm saying that waht these people are doing is right but sometime when things hit the fan and your shorties have to eat what would you do starve?

    Yeah these flogs are enethical but think about the bogus review pages that soo many affiliates put up about clickbanks offers, are these wrong as well? You never read about a bad clickbank product on review pages. Not even review pages but pre-sale pages these are the exact same things but for CPA offers.
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
      Originally Posted by blillard View Post

      Yeah these flogs are enethical but think about the bogus review pages that soo many affiliates put up about clickbanks offers, are these wrong as well? You never read about a bad clickbank product on review pages. Not even review pages but pre-sale pages these are the exact same things but for CPA offers.
      At least with clickbank it's usually a one off charge (and clearly stated if it is not), you can get a refund within 60 days if you are not satisfied and you are not signed up to various monthly charges which you were unaware of and that are almost impossible to cancel resulting in you having to get a new credit card in order to stop the charges. There are plenty of crap products on clickbank (and there are plenty of good quality products and services to promote as an affiliate outside of the clickbank and cpa world). What these flogs are promoting are basically scams.

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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Grosschadl
    I think most CPA trial offers are a scam.
    Note I cannot post links so you have to search the terms.

    **** berry is a good example.

    Here is a more recent example. Ritoban is plugging his prelaunch right now for "Profit Instruments". It looks like an intriguing model but his one of his flagship examples is a CPA offer that is just another free trial scam.

    Here is a post I left on his prelaunch blog, it has not been moderated (pulled) yet. Yes I was definitely in a vent mood.
    Why do so few intelligent marketers turn a blind eye to CPA scams?
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    Yes a good business model but how ethical is it? i.e. CPA offers
    Someone should mention "the dirty side" of many CPA offers.
    Out of good conscience I won't touch them because of the widespread scams. Why is that so many intelligent gurus conveniently "look the other way" as long as they make a good buck.
    Unfortunately Rituban's flagship green tea is a prime example.
    Sure he is making a fortune on this offer and the crooks behind it but what about all the trusting consumers that are being ripped off with multiple charges to their account after signing up for 4.95 trial offer?
    See for yourself - on the first page of google results, 5th link down is a link for many, many complaints of ripped off consumers.

    search - Life Cleanse & Cho Yung Tea Complaints - Internet Fraud


    Another big question is why do all the big players like google and the FTC let these guys get away with this?
    It's probably buried in their terms and conditions, the fine print written by sleazy lawyers working for these guys.
    I would like to make an honest buck, not rip-off my fellow man.
    Why does no one talk about the scammy side of the affiliate business?
    There are good products out there but you have to do at least a tiny bit of research. Stay away from CPA offers is my call. Don't promote garbage is another. Stop ripping off your fellow man is a third.
    Thank you for letting me vent.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Finch you sound like a politician caught taking massive expense claims. All they kept saying was "I did nothing illeagal. so what's the problem" While the public no it was wrong and want to hang the f***'ers.
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    seems the site is offline..
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  • Profile picture of the author cadillac48
    I thought all you guys knew that these "make money on google sites are scams".

    Yes, it is no coincidence that everytime everyone sees the guy is from their hometown! Yes, they are using a script that picks up the ip of your computer. They do that for psychological reasons. they want someone to say to themselves something like, "gee, that guy is from here, if he can do it, so can I, I'm gonna try it also!"

    Yes, $1.97 shipping, makes no mention of the $97 or whatever a month unless you make your way to the terms and conditions page which they figure most people are too stupid to do and will assume it just costs $1.97, and yes, it is almost impossible to get them to cancel the charge. Tip: if you get a company that won't cancel a charge, l just tell your bank you lost your credit card and you will get a new number and the charges will stop. Oof course, all auto charges will stop! You have to go back to all the companies that auto charged the stopped card and give them the new number. Yes, it may cause some inconvenience. But, if that is the only way to get rid of the unwarranted charges.......
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    At the end of the day, there is a lot of crap that goes on in the industry but we as marketers get to pick and decide what and how we want to promote.


    There is a spectrum of purely whitehat and then the dark side of marketing. Marketing of all kinds (corporate, internet, everything) falls somewhere in the middle most of the times. Pick where you are comfortable promoting and go from there. I stay in the white side, but thats just me.


    Its just a shame that others are tainting the industry.

    ~ken
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  • Profile picture of the author tgglenn
    How about "unemployed...(insert your favorite humble job description here) miraculously met an internet marketer in an alley and the secret to $1Million a day was revealed to them??? I've read so many of them, they have become a source of amusement. And they are from some of the "top marketers" in the business. I've learned to filter them out, but they are all still very tempting because they trigger some emotional response!! Just my 2 cents.
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