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14 years ago

Great question. I'm very interested to see is anyone has generated profits form pop-under advertising. In my experience, it's a waste of money.

Very few clicks, and they don't convert!

Anyone have some strategies to take advantage of this traffic?

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sp33dr4ge88 14 years ago

Yes it does work. I was recently crushing it with an offer, spending about $100 an hour.

My daily net profits were between $600-$1000 a day from one offer from one site.

I won't say what offer or which network... in fact ppv works so well I'd probably charge 10k or more to train on it.... better yet I'd probably charge more and anyone that gives training on how to do ppv marketing is crazy because if you have the right tools, excellent tracking you can make a fortune.

Sadly, the offer that was killing it for me, the site that was converting had tech problems within the network (or at least the ppv provider claims this)

I've recently gotten smart though. I think the best pay and the proper way to really bring home the bread with ppv is to grab yourself a URL rotator, hook up with Neverblue b/c they have easy uploadable pixels and pick and pick a theme... lets say "money and finance, more specifally loans"

Run about 5-10 offers that have anything to do with getting a loan or money on the URL rotator witin the ppv network. Narrow it down to the best converting offer, drop ther others then start shaving off the sites that aren't converting.

Also if you don't know this, most networks refer to ppv traffic as DLS traffic and a lot of offers accept it, if they don't ask your affiliate manager and just ask for an approval to send DLS traffic.

I still make great money with ppv on zip submits, but the big big money is in the $9-$32 payouts.

I forget to mention, it's also probably wise to get a URL scraper, as uploading or cutting and pasting one URL to target at a time is a pain in the a@@. You'll need to run about 500-1000 URL's per campaign to see decent traffic, especially from media traffic or addonnetwork.

I doubt anyone would tell you which offers they are running and on which networks if they are banking, I certainly wouldn't, but I am willing to help.. however I am not going to hand over the pie for free
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- Chucky 14 years ago
  
  Hey Thanks sp33dr4ge88.
  
  No I was not (I don't think anybody is) expecting somebody to come out and give their niche. The tips you gave on URL rotator, URL scraper, DLS etc. are very much appreciated.
  
  So can you not use the URL rotator that Neverblue provides themselves? I haven't looked into pixels yet, but will definitely do that.
  
  You may be already aware of this, but if you are not, this may have been what happened with that 'Killer Offer'. I have heard that affiliate managers 'steal' good offers when they find a killer offer like that. The 'technical problems' certainly could have been something the AM made up to get rid of you, so that he gets to cash in on your hard work entirely by himself now.
  
  I've heard that you can 'cloak your keywords through prosper202' and that way AMs have no idea which kw are bringing traffic to you. Hope this would be helpful to somebody (if sp33dr4ge88 already knew about it).
  
  I only had like 60 URLs and no wonder I only got 1 view with my first campaign. So I should definitely work on increasing that to about 1K ha? The only problem is that when I do that, not all of them are necessarily 'laser targeted'.
  
  All in all, thanks very much for an informative post sp33dr4ge88.
  
  If more people chip in with idea like that, this would turn out to be a great thread.
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  sp33dr4ge88 14 years ago
  
  It wasn't the AM, it was the actual ppv network.
  
  Yes you can use prosper to cloak, but the way the ppv network was setup, it was using a site ID and there are normally 20-30 sites within a site ID all similar to whatever keywords and URL's you specified.
  
  I do believe they had problems.... maybe not, who knows... we'll never know. I did notice that 85% of my profitable sites were then targeted by their partners where I was getting half a penny per view, the bids were now 5 cents for top position for most of my profitable sites that I targeted.
  
  Coincidence not sure.
  
  Prosper is good for PPC marketing and I use it, but PPV a bit more difficult to use. You have to essentially assign a subid for every URL, and that could be 1,000 different subid's but there is a program to mass upload a subid for each URL, search "tracking ppv offers with propser" in Goolge and you'll find it.
  
  Success in CPA requires, tech savy, stellar tracking, good copy writer, decent web design skills (if not you'll have to outsource) and consitent marketing research followed by non-stop testing. Oh and a solid budget to back up your testing.
  
  It sounds easy.... but when you boil it down the guys who are making great money are the ones who have all of those skills sets. That's why not everyone is making 1k a day with cpa.
  
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  Hi
  
  You should most definitely use some form of Tracking system to hide all your keywords from prying eyes!
  
  Prosper 202 will do the job.
  
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gtara4 14 years ago

could get no conversion, $200 goes fast mediatraffic
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- Chucky 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by gtara4
  
  could get no conversion, $200 goes fast mediatraffic
  
  It will not go so fast if you use URLs instead of KW. I have one campaign only and over the weekend I'm struggling to spend 20 cents :-(
  
  Would have been an achievement if there were conversions worth $$$$, but unfortunately not :-(
  
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Pieter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by FredFarnes

Great question. I'm very interested to see is anyone has generated profits form pop-under advertising. In my experience, it's a waste of money.

Very few clicks, and they don't convert!

Anyone have some strategies to take advantage of this traffic?

Hi I'm doing forex

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Fox30

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chucky

Hey Warriors,

Earlier I started a thread with the title "Mediatraffic Users", but it wasn't getting enough attention, so I thought I would start another thread with a more eye catching title.
I'm mainly an article marketer, so I should know that the title is important :-) Let's see how it goes.

Anyways, here's my question. After buying a couple of WSOs lately, I wanted to embark on PPV (for those who don't know - Pay Per View - all those annoying pop-ups and pop-unders you run into. No they're not illegal, there's a difference between spyware and adware. This is adware, the good stuff).

I know PPV has huge potential because I know guys making huge $$$$ out of it. I started with Clicksor (doesn't require a deposit), then with MediaTraffic (requires a $200 deposit) and if these work out I'll go for TrafficVance (requires a 1K deposit).

So far, I'm struggling to get 'clicks' to my ads. And when I do get that rare click, they don't necessarily convert. I know I have to match the right kind of offer to the right kind of traffic etc etc.

If there's anybody with some experience on this and would like to share it/give some advice on how to best utilize these traffic sources, that would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers!
Chucky

I know which WSO you are talking about. I'm working it right know as well.

My business partner and I are working with MediaTraffic, we've spent $100 and so far, ZERO conversions. It's definitely a learning process.

We've done a few tweaks to our campaigns which the manager at MediaTraffic suggested, we are waiting to see if anything has changed.

We are not too impressed with PPV so far.

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Dave d

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fox30

I know which WSO you are talking about. I'm working it right know as well.

My business partner and I are working with MediaTraffic, we've spent $100 and so far, ZERO conversions. It's definitely a learning process.

We've done a few tweaks to our campaigns which the manager at MediaTraffic suggested, we are waiting to see if anything has changed.

We are not too impressed with PPV so far.

Hey Fox I know which WSO your talking about and I got a refund after loosing quite a bit of money on it. Dont be fooled by the reviews on it. When I left an honest review the author went nuts and I removed it. I was still convinced PPV was profitable and after digging deep and finding someone to help one on one I was suprised that everyone says the opposite of whats conatined within the WSO, for example as mentioned in this thread you need to scrape up to 1000 urls, as well as that a lot of people I know are using a maximum of 10 keywords some aren't even using any keywords at all just URL's. I wouldn't take 100's of keywords as suggested.

Can somebody recommend a good preferably free URL scraper. Im using adwords digger but its only allowing up to 100.

Dave

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Chucky

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave d

Hey Fox I know which WSO your talking about and I got a refund after loosing quite a bit of money on it. Dont be fooled by the reviews on it. When I left an honest review the author went nuts and I removed it. I was still convinced PPV was profitable and after digging deep and finding someone to help one on one I was suprised that everyone says the opposite of whats conatined within the WSO, for example as mentioned in this thread you need to scrape up to 1000 urls, as well as that a lot of people I know are using a maximum of 10 keywords some aren't even using any keywords at all just URL's. I wouldn't take 100's of keywords as suggested.

Can somebody recommend a good preferably free URL scraper. Im using adwords digger but its only allowing up to 100.

Dave

Hey Dave,
I don't know if you and I are talking about the same WSO. The only reason I've not yet asked for a refund is because they introduced me to the method. I too don't think they do a good job describing how to do it step by step, but at least they've shown me the method. Now it's up to me to figure it out with the help of other guys here.
I was scared to put more URLs, so I only put like 60 and I've so far only had like 8 views. The secret sauce indeed looks like having more URLs.

The tool I used to scrape URLs is from this WSO http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...st-friend.html

It's 20 bucks and did a great job.

I'm also sending you a PM.

Cheers and good luck!
Chucky

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Marian Berghes

14 years ago

if your doing PPV and you spent 100$ and no conversions...then you REALLY have to study harder.

Find out EXACTLY what kind of people will be interested in the offer, test 3-5 offers at a time using a rotator, get better at doing keyword research.

Ive gotten conversion with only $10...if you spent $100 and didn't got any...then your doing something wrong...totally wrong.

And remember not all networks work the same...cus the people that downloaded the adware might be totally different groups.

And yes you are right...I asked my AM and he confirmed me that there are 2 guys that make $7.000+ a day with contextual traffic.

So don;t worry...the potential is there...you just have to get better at it...and me too for that fact

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Chucky 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Marian Berghes

test 3-5 offers at a time using a rotator, get better at doing keyword research.

Hey Marian,

Can you please elaborate on the rotator? Is this something that Mediatraffic provides or something you link up externally?

Cheers!
Chucky
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Marian Berghes

14 years ago

Im getting one done for myself just now (good to have programmer friends

) and from what he told me...I just have to host it on a domain that I own, send all the traffic there and it will automatically split the traffic randomly and equally between the offers.

But from what I know theres a software called Adtrackz that some PPV marketers recommend...you can try that one out.

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PPCExpert

Banned 14 years ago

I have used both MT and adon, however didn't make much, however I have been using zango for the last 1 year now and converted very well, even after all the rumours that zango is going to close down.

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Chucky

14 years ago

Thank you guys for your replies. Here's another question.
Do you direct link (I'm assuming most of you do) or do your own landing pages (LP) or use white labeling for CPA offers when you use PPV. I guess in Adwords you have no option but to use LP or white labeling, but for PPV I don't suppose there are any restrictions for direct linking.

Cheers!

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PPCExpert

Banned 14 years ago

Correct, on PPV no rules on direct linking -- however there are some merchants that have direct relationship with PPV networks, meaning the merchant is directly promoting and thus the network will NOT allow for you as an aff to us the same DL. I found this for 3 merchants within maxbounty, so in that case you have to be LP, but most of the time you are good.

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Chucky

14 years ago

Ok Guys, another thought came across my mind.
The 'problem' with these pop-ups/unders I guess would be that they cannot be seen to the 'customer', especially if they're pop-unders.
What do you think about adding some audio to capture the attention? If you say the right thing, may be you win !?!?

Anybody?

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syncjam

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chucky

Ok Guys, another thought came across my mind.
The 'problem' with these pop-ups/unders I guess would be that they cannot be seen to the 'customer', especially if they're pop-unders.
What do you think about adding some audio to capture the attention? If you say the right thing, may be you win !?!?

Anybody?

You can't have audio, video, etc. on MT's popups.

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Chucky 14 years ago

Originally Posted by syncjam

You can't have audio, video, etc. on MT's popups.

Ah that shucksh!!! :-((
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promo_guy

14 years ago

I haven't tried PPV yet but also don't you have to consider the size of the window as it pops up, like have a page that's only 350px by 500px or whatever? Otherwise even if you send direct to offer won't the landing page be obscured?

Not sure, just asking as that seems to make sense. Can anyone confirm you need a landing page of a certain size?

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syncjam

14 years ago

Originally Posted by promo_guy

I haven't tried PPV yet but also don't you have to consider the size of the window as it pops up, like have a page that's only 350px by 500px or whatever? Otherwise even if you send direct to offer won't the landing page be obscured?

Not sure, just asking as that seems to make sense. Can anyone confirm you need a landing page of a certain size?

750x550 for MediaTraffic.

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Global365 14 years ago

Had the same experience a Dave d did with that particular wso....left a negative and he went ape sh*t

Have been working with MT with 6 different campaigns and no luck, for just a few url keyword combos to one with over 6,000 keywords, URL combos...

I guess u just have to keep plodding until u hit gold...
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Mark Francis

14 years ago

I make about 10k+ per day with it and spend about 3-5k$ per day it's extremely profitable and most networks allow the catch is to make your ad extremely appealing.

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Chucky

14 years ago

Originally Posted by darknighthatter

I make about 10k+ per day with it and spend about 3-5k$ per day it's extremely profitable and most networks allow the catch is to make your ad extremely appealing.

Wow Hat's off to you sir! If I made 10K in 3 months, I'll be on top of the world :-)

What do you mean make your ad appealing? Audio, Video, Flash?

If you could open our eyes a little bit more, that would be awesomely appreciated!

Thanks a lot DarkNightHatter!
Chucky

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J Bold

14 years ago

Haven't heard it called "DLS" traffic, but heard it called "contextual" traffic. I'm testing PPV now, but it takes work. A lot of people make loads with it and just do direct-to-merchant without bothering with landing pages. In my opinion that would save a ton of time when testing and is one of the things that makes it much better than PPC. Then, if you find a good offer and are getting conversions, you can test a landing page, if you want, but it's not necessary. I say, if you want to try PPV get some very guided coaching.

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J Bold

14 years ago

You can't do Audio and Video with PPV, at least with Media Traffic.

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Marian Berghes

14 years ago

you can't do Audio, video, pop-ups, pop-unders, sliding pop-up. they don't allow it.

And be VERY carefull of one thing....make sure that the offer is seen almost completely in the window that pop-ups.

I know some people that spent THOUSANDS of dollars before they realised this stupid mistake....their offer was so big that in the pop-up window only half the headline was seen.

Might wanna try this out...might be an answer as to why your not getting any conversions.

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Chucky

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Marian Berghes

And be VERY carefull of one thing....make sure that the offer is seen almost completely in the window that pop-ups.

.......
Might wanna try this out...might be an answer as to why your not getting any conversions.

Thanks Marian, will definitely pay attention to that.
Chucky

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brendan301

14 years ago

i've been dabbling in ppv for a few weeks now and so far i haven't seen any conversions from clicksor traffic. however I haven't been rotating offers either.
i'm going to try addonnetwork and media traffic, rotate offers and use 1000 urls.
i'll also be getting some ppv coaching after i move. right now i can't focus on anything but packing and getting my new place ready.

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Clicksor_CS

14 years ago

Hi all,

I have seen a few posts in regards to our traffic's conversions with different offers. Clicksor has dedicated Account Manager to assist in your campaigns. Since each offer performs differently in different network and require different settings or targeting, please feel free to contact your Account Manager for recommendations.

Each of our Account Manager is professionally trained and has great experience in making successful campaigns.

You may find your Account Manager's contact information at the right side of your Clicksor's account.

Best regards,

Clicksor Customer Support

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malcasid

14 years ago

Wow, its nice to know that Clicksor has dedicated account managers to assist us.

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PPC-Coach

14 years ago

Clicksor is the hardest traffic to convert for most niches. I've never got clicksor converting profitably. PPV does work, although I hate the term PPV, it's really CPV, (cost per view).

(In fact I'm doing something about that soon too...stay tuned).

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malcasid

14 years ago

Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

Clicksor is the hardest traffic to convert for most niches. I've never got clicksor converting profitably. PPV does work, although I hate the term PPV, it's really CPV, (cost per view).

(In fact I'm doing something about that soon too...stay tuned).

A new course?

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naonline

14 years ago

Originally Posted by malcasid

A new course?

He wont tell you, he's a notorious tease.

This guy has some good info....

Tracking Your PPV Campaigns With Prosper202 | Inside Affiliate

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malcasid 14 years ago

Originally Posted by naonline

He wont tell you, he's a notorious tease.

This guy has some good info....

Tracking Your PPV Campaigns With Prosper202 | Inside Affiliate

Oh, LOL.

Thanks for the link to the PPV tracking article!
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Chucky

14 years ago

Originally Posted by naonline

He wont tell you, he's a notorious tease.

This guy has some good info....

Tracking Your PPV Campaigns With Prosper202 | Inside Affiliate

Ya thanks for the link. Unfortunately my hostgator account won't let me install Prosper202. Something new with hostgator apparently. Something to do with partitioning of mysql databases.

If anybody knows how to do it on hostgator, I'm willing to pay. Thanks!
Chucky

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NowIstheTime

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chucky

Ya thanks for the link. Unfortunately my hostgator account won't let me install Prosper202. Something new with hostgator apparently. Something to do with partitioning of mysql databases.

If anybody knows how to do it on hostgator, I'm willing to pay. Thanks!
Chucky

Originally Posted by Buhry

I am wondering how I track and cloak my traffic with cpv. Currently I am using mediatraffic. I tried to set up prosper 202 but I am having some problems - could that be because I have installed it on a hostgator account?

Originally Posted by Buhry

Well, to be a bit more specific my problem is this. I assume that I am supposed to use the tracking 202 affiliate conversion tracking software? Anyway, when I click on the tracking 202 app everything looks to be working, but then when I click on ''setup'' I get the following error message: ''Parse error: syntax error, unexpected in /home/buhry/public_html/topfinancenow.com/tracking202/setup/ppc_accounts.php on line 99''.

So I don't get it set up. I read somewhere that there had been some problems with using prosper 202 on hostgator unless you had a dedicated server. But then again I managed to install it on my domain so that might not be the problem.

Chucky and Buhry, Though its likely you've solved this already, here is the link to fix your tracking202 on hostgator database table partitioning issue:
http://www.warriorforum.com/programm...2-install.html

So here's wishing you guys... prosper2010!

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pauljeaston 13 years ago

Originally Posted by naonline

He wont tell you, he's a notorious tease.

This guy has some good info....

Tracking Your PPV Campaigns With Prosper202 | Inside Affiliate

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sindyjk

14 years ago

i've tried PPV with MediaTraffic and lost some money & not convert.
I tried "category campaign", i thiink this way won't convert and now i try "url targeted" campaign. I hope this way convert.

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Sean S

14 years ago

does anyone really beleive that this is some hot trend ?

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TE2 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sean S

does anyone really beleive that this is some hot trend ?

It is a hot trend.

Promoting CPA offers has been the latest trend in IM and the methods for promoting CPA offers is lined to that trend.

PPV/CPV is nothing new but the increased interest in it is.

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malcasid

14 years ago

I like what I hear so far. I am going to be shifting my efforts to PPV pretty soon.

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promo_guy

14 years ago

Anyone had any success with MediaTraffic yet? I hear conflicting stories but all those who say they've earned good money, they can't all be wrong can they?

I think it has to do with how you target and going for urls as keywords. I'll try to get a campaign up this weekend and report back - hopefully in the black! lol

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CpvGuru 12 years ago

Per my experience is hot or cold. I've run with them for 2 years now some days are great then a few days are just crap. I've tried to nail down variables, days of week ect. But ultimately I think it's the ebb and flow of publishers into the network that creates this variance.

PPV can be great but definitely requires a firm understanding of the model and controlled testing processes.

best of luck!
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Ryan6

14 years ago

What's with the fancy name? This is CPM advertising that has been around for donkeys years.

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FredFarnes 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ryan6

What's with the fancy name? This is CPM advertising that has been around for donkeys years.

Yes, sure pop-under and pop-over have been around for a long time, not new at all.

But if you call it something else, and make it a "secret hot trend" and "guarantee success" by just following a "simple formula", then you can make a WSO and help to educate some newbies!

So what if people have been doing this for years? You need to repackage it to sell your how-to-make-megabucks IM info-product.
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TE2

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ryan6

What's with the fancy name? This is CPM advertising that has been around for donkeys years.

Not exactly the same as typical CPM. There are very similar and i would call them cousins.

CPM is about "impressions", while CPV is about "views".

Impressions are generally banners or ads on websites in the form of a graphic image that is typically positioned in a margin or other space reserved for ads

Views are generally Pop-over or Pop-under windows. Some are full-size and some are smaller minimized windows.

Additionally, CPV (Cost per View) incorporates the concept of keyword targeting with the low cost CPM (Cost per Thousand) model.

CPV technology matches your "targeted" keywords with the information that the consumer is searching for and then... instantly delivers the user to your web site via Pop-over/under. You only pay when a consumer views your site,

See the difference?

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Chucky

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TE2

Not exactly the same as typical CPM. There are very similar and i would call them cousins.

CPM is about "impressions", while CPV is about "views".

Impressions are generally banners or ads on websites in the form of a graphic image that is typically positioned in a margin or other space reserved for ads

Views are generally Pop-over or Pop-under windows. Some are full-size and some are smaller minimized windows.

Additionally, CPV (Cost per View) incorporates the concept of keyword targeting with the low cost CPM (Cost per Thousand) model.

CPV technology matches your "targeted" keywords with the information that the consumer is searching for and then... instantly delivers the user to your web site via Pop-over/under. You only pay when a consumer views your site,

See the difference?

Regards,

John

ps - I hope you enjoyed this PPV 101 post. No need to send money - just hit the thanks button.

Thanks TE2, just one thing you missed - URL targeting, which was probably unheard of before the CPV/PPV days ...pls correct me if I'm wrong....I wasn't around those days :-)

And also, in CPM (I'm talking about banner advertising), you have a deal with the publisher/webmaster. But in PPV, you don't have a deal with him. You're just STEALING his traffic. If you target 1000 URLs, then you're stealing the legitimate traffic that these websites have earned either from search engine rankings or PPC. That's why this is BAD A*S technology.
And again, if XXXX.com gets 10,000 views a day and you by a banner on that site, your banner will get 10,000 impressions, that is one impression for every visitor. But in the case of PPV, out of these 10,000 viewers only those who have adware installed in their computer will see your pop-up.
I think that's quite a few differences between CPM and CPV.
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TE2

14 years ago

Hey Chucky,

Yes, there is more to it but I didn't want to write a book on it. My quick reply started getting longer and I just wanted to provide enough that people would see they are different.

Originally Posted by Chucky

Thanks TE2, just one thing you missed - URL targeting, which was probably unheard of before the CPV/PPV days ...pls correct me if I'm wrong....I wasn't around those days :-)

Actually, URL targeting is used in PPC as well. Some refer to it as the Alexa technique. Basically, find URL's with lots of traffic for your topic and use the URL's as keywords in your adword "Search" campaign. You can also use "Placement Targeting" to specify where your ads are displayed.

Originally Posted by Chucky

And also, in CPM (I'm talking about banner advertising), you have a deal with the publisher/webmaster. But in PPV, you don't have a deal with him. You're just STEALING his traffic. If you target 1000 URLs, then you're stealing the legitimate traffic that these websites have earned either from search engine rankings or PPC. That's why this is BAD A*S technology.

And again, if XXXX.com gets 10,000 views a day and you by a banner on that site, your banner will get 10,000 impressions, that is one impression for every visitor. But in the case of PPV, out of these 10,000 viewers only those who have adware installed in their computer will see your pop-up.
I think that's quite a few differences between CPM and CPV.
Chucky

Mostly accurate... as a visitor can load that page over and over again, each time they do, that is one impression. ie, A visitor clicking from page to page or simply refreshing could have your ad displayed multiple times.

And there is more to it (and that I am not revealing).

I'll leave you a hint - it is all about targeting.

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John

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Originally Posted by TE2

Hey Chucky,

And there is more to it (and that I am not revealing).

I'll leave you a hint - it is all about targeting.

Regards,

John

Thanks a lot John, hmmm....it's all about targeting....and you're probably talking about something more than just targeting URLs I presume.
Us 'relative newbies' will keep thinking about it.
Cheers!
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Originally Posted by TE2

ps - I hope you enjoyed this PPV 101 post. No need to send money - just hit the thanks button.

Hey you newbies out there,

We have to learn a lesson from TE2 (hope you don't get offended TE2, take it as a compliment).
See how he ASKS for thanks and see how many thanks he has got. That's quite a lot of thanks for a
The lesson?
When you're building websites/blogs you want links and comments from people.

So ASK for them. ASK for links, ASK them to leave comments. And they will, a lot more than when you don't ASK for it. I first heard this from Tim Gorman, and now I've seen it with my own eyes from TE2.

Thanks indeed for demonstrating that John. I hope more people catch it.
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lherbal

14 years ago

I was looking to start a few campaigns with Clicksor, since I didn't want to put up $200 for MediaTraffic and $1k for Trafficvance, but I wanted to know a little bit more about this company before I started.

So, I sent my account manage with Clicksor an email asking about how they worked. Here is part of the email that they sent me...

"Please note that we are not an adware company. All of the ads are displayed
on the publishers' websites in the concept of understanding the content.
Clicksor does not display the ads through adware/spyware because the quality
of the ads is not high and affects the branding of your website.

CPV is our Full page Popunder service, which is a totally different ad
format than Google Adsense, so there is no similarity in the ad display.
Your Pop under ad will open up in a new window when the visitors landed on
the publishers' websites."

So what I get from what they sent me is just as I expected. Website owners who instead of putting Adsense ads from Google, are placing ads similar to Adsense from Clicksor. Now, it's not hard to figure out that WAY more people use Adsense than Clicksor, so just how much reach can you get with Clicksor?

Now, if you use their Pop under ads they still only show on related sites in the Clicksor system, so you may not get as many impressions or conversions since it's not an adware company.

Am I understanding this fully?

This may be why its a lot harder to get profitable campaigns with Clicksor than other adware companys.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by lherbal

Now, if you use their Pop under ads they still only show on related sites in the Clicksor system, so you may not get as many impressions or conversions since it's not an adware company.

Am I understanding this fully?

This may be why its a lot harder to get profitable campaigns with Clicksor than other adware companys.

Hey lherbal,

Have no doubt about the quantity of traffic Clicksor can bring. At least for the one (or two) niches that I tried with them, I got tonnes of traffic within a very short period. Conversions.....that's a different story. I'm not going to downgrade on their quality of traffic just because I didn't get any conversions.
May be I didn't match the type of offer for their audience. They're not transparent about their publisher network. If I knew what it was like, then may be I could have targeted some better ads to them. But hey, that's not how it happened unfortunately.
I hope your offers are the right ones for their traffic.
Chucky
P.S. I'm yet to see a positive comment about Clicksor traffic conversions. So please comment if you have already seen success on Clicksor, thanks!

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Hai,
Pay per view ads in your site!!, i think its the most attractive offer ever , what about you get paid 0.01$ for each banner display in your site???, amazing right? and the profit will be as dream if u have good traffic to ur site!!. Is their any such programs available??, Yes available!, am lucky with a program that pays exactly what i said!, dont believe me??, No i dont care you believe or not!. I joined the program for free and now it earns me a good monthly dollars..Its an eStore affiliate program. I will tell you only if u really want to participate only, since nobody believes, someone ask me about and when i tell them all about the program, they quit?, i dont know what people are thinking..where u get such an amazing system?? Its free to sign up now since it is new!
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alamest 13 years ago

brother thanks for sharing this useful information, the thing what I have studied is PPV marketing works for someone and does not works for someone.

What I think for myself I need to test it before thinking it works or not..

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Clicksor_CS 14 years ago

Referring to lherbal's post, Clicksor's Popunder traffic is different than Google Adsense. First of all, we have different group of publishers than Google. Secondly, our ad is displaying on a Full page Popunder basis instead of banners.

We have recieved feedbacks from Advertisers that our content targeted traffic by websites are converting better for them than adware traffic due to the fact that adware traffic contains repeated visitors and unauthorized ads on sites.

The targeting of your ad campaigns with us plays an important role with our contextual targeted campaign. Therefore, we welcome you to contact us for recommendations and suggestions. I believe that you have received a fast response from your experience in contacting us.

If you would like to get further information or concerns on our service, please feel free to contact your Account Manager. An Account is free to signup at Clicksor and a dedicated account manager will be assigned.

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Ryan6

14 years ago

FredFarnes/TE2.

Did just check out Clicksor and did notice that they do differentiate the CPM and CPV.

Thing is, this network in particular requires 5,000 page views per day. That is pretty steep when you're trying to recruit and push the technique on to a newbie.

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Marian Berghes

14 years ago

From what I remember you can specify that your ad will be shown to the same user only once every 12 or 24 hours, right?

At least for 1 network, I think media traffic.

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lherbal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Marian Berghes

From what I remember you can specify that your ad will be shown to the same user only once every 12 or 24 hours, right?

At least for 1 network, I think media traffic.

Yes, that is correct.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Marian Berghes

From what I remember you can specify that your ad will be shown to the same user only once every 12 or 24 hours, right?

At least for 1 network, I think media traffic.

It varies from network to network. The best ones like MT allow you to select the frequency and give you several choices; typically in a drop-down menu.

MT offers:
1/12
1/24
1/48
1/72
1 Week
1 month

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Art Turner

14 years ago

I ran my first campaigns with Clicksor last week...each one used a few thousand exact match keywords and no URL/category views. Thousands of impressions, no conversions. I can't comment on whether it's a quality of traffic issue, since I haven't run anywhere else. I have a campaign set up at adonnetwork, but can't seem to contact anyone there to get it approved and running

The campaigns were a trial offer on a health product, credit score improvement offer and a ringtone offer. If there's a good niche for Clicksor traffic, I haven't zeroed in on it yet.

But I have to say that Clicksor is great to work with and easy to contact.

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Chucky

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Art Turner

exact match keywords

Unfortunately MT has no exact match. I talked (chatted) with Hugo (the very helpful online live help) and he said they don't have it. What they have is something like a broad match for keywords although for URLs they do have four options.

What I ended up doing with Clicksor was to identify those sites that bring you tons of traffic and 'eliminate' them from your campaign. That did the trick for me as far as burning up my daily budget, but it didn't fix the problem of 'no conversions' :-)
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Aj

14 years ago

Hi,
Just a quick question regarding the display of our ads, does anyone know of any tools where we can preview our ad to confirm it's ok to run the ad, i.e. we could then confirm that view of the headline or signup box etc. was good to go before we waste money...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Aj

Hi,
Just a quick question regarding the display of our ads, does anyone know of any tools where we can preview our ad to confirm it's ok to run the ad, i.e. we could then confirm that view of the headline or signup box etc. was good to go before we waste money...

Arthur

You can do that in MT, but not in Clicksor. Don't know about the others!
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Buhry

14 years ago

I am wondering how I track and cloak my traffic with cpv. Currently I am using mediatraffic. I tried to set up prosper 202 but I am having some problems - could that be because I have installed it on a hostgator account?

Also, chucky, where in mediatraffic can you preview your ads?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Buhry

Also, chucky, where in mediatraffic can you preview your ads?

You go to "Edit Existing Campaigns" --> select the campaign you want --> scroll down to 'Current destinations' --> on the right hand side, next to your URL there are two buttons called ROI and modify --> click the modify button --> then that area expands to show 'advanced features' --> you'll see a button called test it --> Press it and that's it!

Hope that was helpful!
Good luck!
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14 years ago

Hi Chucky,
Many thanks for the usefull info, something else I've missed in MT...

Arthur

Originally Posted by Chucky

You go to "Edit Existing Campaigns" --> select the campaign you want --> scroll down to 'Current destinations' --> on the right hand side, next to your URL there are two buttons called ROI and modify --> click the modify button --> then that area expands to show 'advanced features' --> you'll see a button called test it --> Press it and that's it!

Hope that was helpful!
Good luck!
Chucky

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Jays80 14 years ago

What kind of offers/Niches have a better luck with PPV?
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J Bold

14 years ago

Buhry, I think tracking systems can be hard to figure out sometimes if you're new to it. I think if you use hostgator, it should be fine if you install correctly. But, hmm, I'm not an expert at this so I'd like to help you. However, to help someone who could help would need much more information about what your problems are, so yeah. Perhaps you could PM somebody or ask them to PM you if they want to help you with tracking. Again, I'm not sure I could.

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Buhry

14 years ago

Well, to be a bit more specific my problem is this. I assume that I am supposed to use the tracking 202 affiliate conversion tracking software? Anyway, when I click on the tracking 202 app everything looks to be working, but then when I click on ''setup'' I get the following error message: ''Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end in /home/buhry/public_html/topfinancenow.com/tracking202/setup/ppc_accounts.php on line 99''.

So I don't get it set up. I read somewhere that there had been some problems with using prosper 202 on hostgator unless you had a dedicated server. But then again I managed to install it on my domain so that might not be the problem.

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14 years ago

Ya, uh, I don't know, really. It could be a problem with your tables, but I don't know exactly what. Anybody?

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Jay White

14 years ago

Dipping my toes in the CPA and PPV waters for the first time with an email submit being run through Media Traffic...

Using URL targeting and after about 600 views over the weekend I'm pretty much breaking even. I'll probably let it go to 1000 before deciding whether to tweak or dump.

Did take a while to start getting views. Weird.

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netbizer 14 years ago

I guess those who are making a killing with this method are keeping a heavily guarded secret. by the way where is all the money paid the the affiliates coming from?
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jay White

Dipping my toes in the CPA and PPV waters for the first time with an email submit being run through Media Traffic...

Using URL targeting and after about 600 views over the weekend I'm pretty much breaking even. I'll probably let it go to 1000 before deciding whether to tweak or dump.

Did take a while to start getting views. Weird.

Jay,

Tweak it!

Your next step should be...

- eliminate the URL's that are bringing traffic but no conversions

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John

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sindyjk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TE2

Jay,

Tweak it!

Your next step should be...

- eliminate the URL's that are bringing traffic but no conversions

Regards,

John

John, how much traffics of URL keyword is said not converting, so must be deleted? according with payout?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by sindyjk

John, how much traffics of URL keyword is said not converting, so must be deleted? according with payout?

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Simple - Delete the ones that aren't profitable.

When I start a campaign, I will spend up to twice the offer's payout to test it.

Say I have an offer that pays $10, then I will spend $20 testing it.

If no conversions, then I will stop that campaign.

If I made a sale(s) then I will analyze the keywords/URL's/categories for profitability and delete the ones that didn't convert.

Again, my rule of thumb is double the payout. Other people spend more and some less on their testing. Go with what you are comfortable with but make sure you get enough data to make a good decision. I recommend at least double the payout for your test spend.

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John

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webatomic

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TE2

Simple - Delete the ones that aren't profitable.

When I start a campaign, I will spend up to twice the offer's payout to test it.

Say I have an offer that pays $10, then I will spend $20 testing it.

If no conversions, then I will stop that campaign.

If I made a sale(s) then I will analyze the keywords/URL's/categories for profitability and delete the ones that didn't convert.

I'm wondering what other people use as testing strategies. Right now I have about 10 different offers running with a $10 per day cap on each. I don't want to throw money away, but I also want to be sure I'm giving these offers a sufficient chance to succeed. Thoughts?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TE2

If I made a sale(s) then I will analyze the keywords/URL's/categories for profitability and delete the ones that didn't convert.

Again, my rule of thumb is double the payout. Other people spend more and some less on their testing. Go with what you are comfortable with but make sure you get enough data to make a good decision. I recommend at least double the payout for your test spend.

Regards,

John

So once you've tweaked the ones that convert to hopefully improve your ROI, do you then run the newly tweaked converting campaigns for another "double the payout" round? I ask because I have campaigns that are converting, but still with a negative ROI and if I continue on this track I will eventually go broke

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by webatomic

So once you've tweaked the ones that convert to hopefully improve your ROI, do you then run the newly tweaked converting campaigns for another "double the payout" round? I ask because I have campaigns that are converting, but still with a negative ROI and if I continue on this track I will eventually go broke

If they are not positive, then I try to get a break even on the next go around. If it keeps improving then I keep running and tweaking.

At some point it will be obvious whether you should keep going or not.

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andracs 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TE2

Jay,

Tweak it!

Your next step should be...

- eliminate the URL's that are bringing traffic but no conversions

Regards,

John

John, your posts are really helpful! but I think you have not wrote what to do after you've found a winner?
I know that I have to eliminate the non converted URLs and move to other PPV networks.
But how to really expand the campaign?!

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Marian Berghes

14 years ago

Any offer can do, just because for example Traffic Vance gets is users from games downloads that doesn't mean you can't sell diet offers.

What most people forget is that: although the son/daughter might have downloaded the game, you have a fairly large chance that the Dad/Mom will use that computer also, even for only a couple of hours a day.

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Clicksor_CS

14 years ago

Hi Chunky,

I have received your PM; however, the forum has limited my reply to PM until I have posted 15 or more posts. Can you please direct your questions to sales at clicksor.com or your dedicated Account Manager?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Clicksor_CS

Hi Chunky,

I have received your PM; however, the forum has limited my reply to PM until I have posted 15 or more posts. Can you please direct your questions to sales at clicksor.com or your dedicated Account Manager?

Thanks,

Clicksor Customer Support

Thanks for your reply.

AND A VERY BIG THANK YOU FOR calling me CHUNKY :-) I'm very skinny :-)

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PPC-Coach

14 years ago

As for tracking cpv traffic, be careful if you're on a shared hosting plan. You pretty much need a dedicated server to track cpv since there is so much traffic going through your tracking link. (If you're doing even medium volume). You'll get kicked off a shared hosting plan pretty quickly if you take down their server a couple times.

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Buhry

14 years ago

Hm, that kinda blows. Hey ppc-coach, could you check your pm inbox?

Also, does anyone know how long it takes before a completed lead is registered with mediatraffic or the cpa networks?

I've gotten 600 views for a campaign I launched about 4 hours ago.. But mediatraffic tells me my ROI is 0.00, and ads4dough too... So any hope for me here, or do I need to change my tactics? I am promoting a google biz opp. offer by the way.

I used an url-scraper to gather a lot of URLs and also added some relevant 3 word keywords... I am using a pop up, not a pop under.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Buhry

I am promoting a google biz opp. offer by the way.

I used an url-scraper to gather a lot of URLs and also added some relevant 3 word keywords... I am using a pop up, not a pop under.

See my post #73 above...

Also, try tightening up your targeting.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Buhry

I used an url-scraper to gather a lot of URLs and also added some relevant 3 word keywords... I am using a pop up, not a pop under.

If I were you, I would take out those 3 word keywords. I suspect I will see a dramatic reduction in the quantity of traffic. Besides, MT only has broad match, so I suspect you're drawing all kinds of non-targeted traffic with those kw.

I'm talking with the experience of only 2 campaigns, but you have nothing to lose by doing it.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chucky

If I were you, I would take out those 3 word keywords. I suspect I will see a dramatic reduction in the quantity of traffic. Besides, MT only has broad match, so I suspect you're drawing all kinds of non-targeted traffic with those kw.

I'm talking with the experience of only 2 campaigns, but you have nothing to lose by doing it.
Chucky

Thanks for that Chucky.. Didn't now about the broad match thing. That's some uesful information. Hey do you know if I can use mediatraffics pixel tracking to track my keywords?

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14 years ago

I saw it, thanks. I now have 1140 views but still 0 roi. Do I need to do something other than set up the campaign for mediatraffic to track my ROI? Also, does anyone know how long it takes for completed leads to register with the cpa network? I'm very new to this and haven't made my first conversion yet wich is why I'm throwing all these noob-questions around.

I also can't figure out how to track :/

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Saj Gupta 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Buhry

Also, does anyone know how long it takes for completed leads to register with the cpa network?

Most of the completed leads should register within the same day.
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sindyjk

14 years ago

John and Chunky,

Which better pop-up or pop-under?
Only url keywords that you bid? How can i get url keywords for outside US traffics? now i only use alexa and quantcast.

have you tried promote clickbank products with ppv? convert or not? now i promote clickbank products (game and learning foreign language), i got lot traffics but still no conversion. May be i will follow your suggestion, today 1 lost 1x payout.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by sindyjk

John and Chunky,

Which better pop-up or pop-under?

Pop-up (its actually a "pop-over" which is a fully functional window which cannot be blocked)

Only url keywords that you bid? How can i get url keywords for outside US traffics? now i only use alexa and quantcast.

I tend to bid on URL's mostly so that I can really target my campaigns. I use a tool called a URL scraper to find targets. Fellow warrior Robert Matthew sells the one I use. Look for his WSO for "urlkeywordz".

have you tried promote clickbank products with ppv? convert or not? now i promote clickbank products (game and learning foreign language), i got lot traffics but still no conversion. May be i will follow your suggestion, today 1 lost 1x payout.

I have never tried PPV > Clickbank

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PPC-Coach 14 years ago

I don't think clickbank likes cpv traffic. It inflates their epcs and that's the real reason most networks won't take it.

(for the guys who have pm'd me, it's hard to get back to you because I have to wait 5 minutes between pms, this means 6 pm responses takes half an hour.)
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Buhry

14 years ago

When you guys start new campaigns, how many URL's do youy bid on?

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Originally Posted by Buhry

When you guys start new campaigns, how many URL's do youy bid on?

min 50 URL's, but usually 100+ URL's.

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J Bold

14 years ago

Buhry, how is mediatraffic going to know your conversions? YOU have to tell THEM what your conversions are if you want to set up their ROI tracking. They do not have access to your CPA network information. How would they unless you tell them?

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14 years ago

I am really desperate to make PPV work
I joined Adon Zango direct CPV and Media traffic

know basic stuff but i really need a coach or mentor to guide me!

I am thinking of someone from here in the forum to help me or get PPV coach,

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RedMatrix

13 years ago

Great thread! Does anyone have a comprehensive list of PPV/CPV networks? Do they lower your CPM if your conversions rise? (Instead of $3 per thousand, maybe $2.50 ..etc)

Thanks for your time. I already have some ideas for double blind referrals. Let's see if they pan out.

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webatomic

13 years ago

I'm starting to get some of those email and zip submits to convert. I'd love to know what it takes to get someone to actually pull out a credit card though! That seems like a big leap.

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h2oman23

13 years ago

Findology.com also has a CPV network called CPView. You sign up to Findology and enroll in that program. They also have a PPC search network.

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Roman8389

13 years ago

Kind of a dumb question here, but anyway:

Since CPV is cost per VIEW, do you get charged if the person doesn't actually VIEW the ad? I mean, if the window pops in the task bar and the person doesn't open the window to view it, but instead right-clicks and then chooses Close, does that still count? Does the window loading constitute a "view"?

Or do all CPV ads pop over the window, forcing the person to view them?

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PPV Guru

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Roman8389

Kind of a dumb question here, but anyway:

Since CPV is cost per VIEW, do you get charged if the person doesn't actually VIEW the ad? I mean, if the window pops in the task bar and the person doesn't open the window to view it, but instead right-clicks and then chooses Close, does that still count? Does the window loading constitute a "view"?

Or do all CPV ads pop over the window, forcing the person to view them?

Brad

Brad...

If the window loads, yes, that does counts as a view. But, keep in mind, this window will be a pop up or pop under that opens in a new browswer or tab.

It can't be blocked and, even though it counts when the window is being loaded, 9 out of 10 times that window won't even be noticed until later on anyway. It's non intrusive, is what I'm trying to say, and the entire offer landing page will be in plain view.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by h2oman23

Findology.com also has a CPV network called CPView. You sign up to Findology and enroll in that program. They also have a PPC search network.

Also as an FYI, Findology's user interface is the same as DirectCPV's. So if you are using either one of them, you will know what the other one looks and functions like.

Originally Posted by Roman8389

Kind of a dumb question here, but anyway:

Since CPV is cost per VIEW, do you get charged if the person doesn't actually VIEW the ad? I mean, if the window pops in the task bar and the person doesn't open the window to view it, but instead right-clicks and then chooses Close, does that still count? Does the window loading constitute a "view"?

Or do all CPV ads pop over the window, forcing the person to view them?

Brad

Yes, it's counted as a view. Every time your page is popped, you will be debited one impression (aka view). It does not matter how fast the user closes it.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TE2

Also as an FYI, Findology's user interface is the same as DirectCPV's. So if you are using either one of them, you will know what the other one looks and functions like.

I used to promote DirectCPV. But I've learned that they send a whole lot of junk traffic. Now, I only stick with well knowns... Adon, Media Traffic and Traffic Vance.

Clicksor has NEVER converted for me. But Media Traffic? Man, it's HOT! Traffic Vance converts even faster than them but they don't accept anyone unless you have a referral. (By the way, anyone needing a referral for TV PM me after you've sign up and I'll send them a referral).

But, if you get on Traffic Vance, you HAVE to spend $1k a month or else they won't approve you. Only sign up if you already make good money with PPV on other networks and you're ready to step it up a notch.

Originally Posted by TE2

Yes, it's counted as a view. Every time your page is popped, you will be debited one impression (aka view). It does not matter how fast the user closes it.

Keep in mind too, that your page will load completely in most cases because it loads in a pop up that doesn't take over your current screen, or a pop under that usually isnt' seen until later on by the visitor.

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TimScott

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Guru

I used to promote DirectCPV. But I've learned that they send a whole lot of junk traffic. Now, I only stick with well knowns... Adon, Media Traffic and Traffic Vance.

Clicksor has NEVER converted for me. But Media Traffic? Man, it's HOT! Traffic Vance converts even faster than them but they don't accept anyone unless you have a referral. (By the way, anyone needing a referral for TV PM me after you've sign up and I'll send them a referral).

But, if you get on Traffic Vance, you HAVE to spend $1k a month or else they won't approve you. Only sign up if you already make good money with PPV on other networks and you're ready to step it up a notch.

Keep in mind too, that your page will load completely in most cases because it loads in a pop up that doesn't take over your current screen, or a pop under that usually isnt' seen until later on by the visitor.

How are you converting in media Traffic, I couldn't barely get anything to convert except email subits, and I lost money on those.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TimScott

How are you converting in media Traffic, I couldn't barely get anything to convert except email subits, and I lost money on those.

Media Traffic is my number one converter, actually. Well, I lie. Traffic Vance is the best but you'll also pay more per view. If you're not converting it has to be something to do with the method you use to find good keywords or URL's.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Guru

Media Traffic is my number one converter, actually. Well, I lie. Traffic Vance is the best but you'll also pay more per view. If you're not converting it has to be something to do with the method you use to find good keywords or URL's.

I used LazerURL to pull targeted URL's from the big 3. Then in media traffic I only targtted domains/document/path and serach queries and I never bid on the root domain.

For ex, I found 3 gift cards offers for walmart, kmart and bestbuy. So I threw them into Prosper202 and rotated them, and I grabbed all the indexed pages of walmart, target, kmart, and best buy for my Keywords. I would spend like 10.00 to make $3.00, and I even targeted the best time of day that these offers converted /per my AM. I mean, was doing anything wrong?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Guru

I used to promote DirectCPV. But I've learned that they send a whole lot of junk traffic. Now, I only stick with well knowns... Adon, Media Traffic and Traffic Vance.

Clicksor has NEVER converted for me. But Media Traffic? Man, it's HOT! Traffic Vance converts even faster than them but they don't accept anyone unless you have a referral. (By the way, anyone needing a referral for TV PM me after you've sign up and I'll send them a referral).

But, if you get on Traffic Vance, you HAVE to spend $1k a month or else they won't approve you. Only sign up if you already make good money with PPV on other networks and you're ready to step it up a notch.

Keep in mind too, that your page will load completely in most cases because it loads in a pop up that doesn't take over your current screen, or a pop under that usually isnt' seen until later on by the visitor.

Hey PPV Guru,

Care to create a wso regarding this topic? I can't seem to make it work myself.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TimScott

I used LazerURL to pull targeted URL's from the big 3. Then in media traffic I only targtted domains/document/path and serach queries and I never bid on the root domain.

For ex, I found 3 gift cards offers for walmart, kmart and bestbuy. So I threw them into Prosper202 and rotated them, and I grabbed all the indexed pages of walmart, target, kmart, and best buy for my Keywords. I would spend like 10.00 to make $3.00, and I even targeted the best time of day that these offers converted /per my AM. I mean, was doing anything wrong?

I can tell you what you're doing wrong. I'll PM you a link to a free 45 minute video tutorial I've done on this.

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Hey PPV Guru,

Care to create a wso regarding this topic? I can't seem to make it work myself.

I'm not really here to post WSO's anymore. But I'll PM you the same 45 minute video link.

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TimScott

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Guru

I can tell you what you're doing wrong. I'll PM you a link to a free 45 minute video tutorial I've done on this.

I'm not really here to post WSO's anymore. But I'll PM you the same 45 minute video link.

Vid was good info, but nothing new that I don't already use for techniques, I do pull url lists based off just keywords as well, but like I said before, I just can't get conversions on anything enough to be profitable

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BobDolemite

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Guru

I can tell you what you're doing wrong. I'll PM you a link to a free 45 minute video tutorial I've done on this.

I'm not really here to post WSO's anymore. But I'll PM you the same 45 minute video link.

Hey PPV Guru, could I please have that link as well?

As I babbled on about in my other thread, I've sunk in over $1000 in PPV and I'm still not making a profit. I'm following what I think are decent strategies for choosing targets, but I just can't get things to stick. I really wish I knew what aspect I was doing wrong: the offer, the targets, or the landing page.

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Frency 13 years ago

[QUOTE=PPV Guru;1263452]I can tell you what you're doing wrong. I'll PM you a link to a free 45 minute video tutorial I've done on this.

PPV Guru: if you wouldn't mind PM'ing me that link as well if it's still available. I'm trying to figure out this PPV market as well. Much obliged.
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dealmaker007

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Guru

I can tell you what you're doing wrong. I'll PM you a link to a free 45 minute video tutorial I've done on this.

I'm not really here to post WSO's anymore. But I'll PM you the same 45 minute video link.

Hello PPV Guru,

Could you PM me that video link as well? The trouble I've been having with PPV lately I am going to need it....thanks!

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wh0kn0ws 13 years ago

can yu pm me that video? Also i would love a TV invite i'm ready to spend 5k a month easy. I use lead impact ( zango) so far no success.
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Hookd

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Guru

I can tell you what you're doing wrong. I'll PM you a link to a free 45 minute video tutorial I've done on this.

I'm not really here to post WSO's anymore. But I'll PM you the same 45 minute video link.

I would like a link to this video if you don't mind, Thanks Phon

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sandiegogeorge 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Hookd

I would like a link to this video if you don't mind, Thanks Phon

Can I also get a link to that video? Thanks -- George
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TE2

Also as an FYI, Findology's user interface is the same as DirectCPV's. So if you are using either one of them, you will know what the other one looks and functions like.

Yes, it's counted as a view. Every time your page is popped, you will be debited one impression (aka view). It does not matter how fast the user closes it.

Regards,

John

Our new interface for DirectCPV should be ready to go next week. URLs and Keywords will be broken out into separate campaigns for easier management. You will be able to list all your keywords and urls on one page for easier management and will have the ability to upload a list to disable keywords instead of unticking everything which can be a big pain in the ass. You will also be able to view all the competitor rankings and bids finally without having to click on a link.

We'll also have a toolbox where we will give you access to scrape a ton of competitor domains, quantcast top 1 million and the 80 million live domains on the internet. We'll also have our spider tool ready to go soon too and our keyword suggestion tool done.

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Wayne Davis 13 years ago

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TE2

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Directcpv

Our new interface for DirectCPV should be ready to go next week. URLs and Keywords will be broken out into separate campaigns for easier management. You will be able to list all your keywords and urls on one page for easier management and will have the ability to upload a list to disable keywords instead of unticking everything which can be a big pain in the ass. You will also be able to view all the competitor rankings and bids finally without having to click on a link.

We'll also have a toolbox where we will give you access to scrape a ton of competitor domains, quantcast top 1 million and the 80 million live domains on the internet. We'll also have our spider tool ready to go soon too and our keyword suggestion tool done.

That's good and welcome news.

I don't like the current interface but have tolerated it.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Directcpv

Our new interface for DirectCPV should be ready to go next week. URLs and Keywords will be broken out into separate campaigns for easier management. You will be able to list all your keywords and urls on one page for easier management and will have the ability to upload a list to disable keywords instead of unticking everything which can be a big pain in the ass. You will also be able to view all the competitor rankings and bids finally without having to click on a link.

We'll also have a toolbox where we will give you access to scrape a ton of competitor domains, quantcast top 1 million and the 80 million live domains on the internet. We'll also have our spider tool ready to go soon too and our keyword suggestion tool done.

I started my first CPV campaign a few months ago with DirectCPV, and even though I haven't yet seen a positive return on my investment, I will stick with them for a while longer, while I learn more about the nuances of properly setting up and executing a successful PPV/CPV campaign.

It is nice to hear of the many NEEDED changes to the interface, which I found to be a bit clunky and unnecessarily difficult to use at times. I have already noticed some of the changes in the back office, and the others that you describe will definitely make the user experience more bearable, and hopefully more profitable as well.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Roman8389

Kind of a dumb question here, but anyway:

Since CPV is cost per VIEW, do you get charged if the person doesn't actually VIEW the ad? I mean, if the window pops in the task bar and the person doesn't open the window to view it, but instead right-clicks and then chooses Close, does that still count? Does the window loading constitute a "view"?

Or do all CPV ads pop over the window, forcing the person to view them?

Brad

With DirectCPV, they show as full screen interstitial ads over the site, nothing pops. It seems to work better than pops because people tend to close them quicker.

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PPV Guru

13 years ago

PPV is a killer. I've stopped using PPC a long time ago and I'm not planning on going back to it...not until PPV becomes unprofitable for me which, so far, isn't the case.

$5K a day with PPV isn't hard at all. Once you know how to use it, you start off small then build your way up. People should definitely look into it.

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vinlulvie

13 years ago

Hi PPV Guru,

Is it possible you can pm me the link too so i can watch the video too? I am having a hard time to convert gift card and dating in Media Traffic.

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vinlulvie

13 years ago

One of the problem I see is that the landing page of the offers are larger than the 750 * 550 window, so the viewer cannot see the entire offer, I am not sure should I create a bridge page since that will lower the conversion as well.

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googmagic

13 years ago

guys
I am a ppv marketer for over a year. i make over 15k/M from ppv marketing only !
all these networks are good but only one is great - TRAFFIC VANCE.
The only problem is you can't get in there unless you have someone to reffer you that spends over $50 a day and a $1000 first deposit.

well guess what ? it is your lucky day - I have a very good reputation there and i am willing to reffer only 10 people in there.
I must say that i don't get anything from Traffic Vance when i send them someone.
all i want is to make more people happy ! really !

so,
if you are a serious marketer and want to get in Traffic vance PM me with your full name and email please.

Note that Traffic Vance are not accepting new members from Asia & Middle east right now , and you must have a legit website (no adult,gambling etc..)

Googmagic.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TimScott

Vid was good info, but nothing new that I don't already use for techniques, I do pull url lists based off just keywords as well, but like I said before, I just can't get conversions on anything enough to be profitable

It's the offer your promoting and the landing page you're sending them to. Plus, you may know about that method I showed you, but you're still not looking for the right keywords to get URL's. If you were, you'd be converting.

Originally Posted by googmagic

guys
I am a ppv marketer for over a year. i make over 15k/M from ppv marketing only !
all these networks are good but only one is great - TRAFFIC VANCE.
The only problem is you can't get in there unless you have someone to reffer you that spends over $50 a day and a $1000 first deposit.

well guess what ? it is your lucky day - I have a very good reputation there and i am willing to reffer only 10 people in there.
I must say that i don't get anything from Traffic Vance when i send them someone.
all i want is to make more people happy ! really !

so,
if you are a serious marketer and want to get in Traffic vance PM me with your full name and email please.

Note that Traffic Vance are not accepting new members from Asia & Middle east right now , and you must have a legit website (no adult,gambling etc..)

Googmagic.

Yeah, Traffic Vance is awesome. I've had the Vice President of Traffic Vance Jonathan Vogel as a guest on a few of my webinars and we've become great friends. He's given me a lot of neat tips for his network.

If guys are spending $10k a day on there, trust me, money is being made. My margins on Traffic Vance are at least 400% profit.

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nobluff 13 years ago

MediaTraffic has also done very badly for me, definitely not profitable traffic for the way I am using it.

I tried pop over, pop under for e-mail submit offers, product offers, did a lot of testing, so there must be some very subtle tricks that others are using that I cant figure out.
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Jack@2009

13 years ago

PPV GURU,

Could you please send me the link to the PPV Video tutorial?

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sp33dr4ge88 13 years ago

I wanted to chime in with some results. I like sharing so here it is

First off my primary focus is and has always been primarily zip/email submits.

Media Traffic -

I converted a few teeth whitening offers, then nothing after that. I tested about $200 more on the teeth whitening offers with a review site and I just couldn't convert anymore so I scratched that one.

Tested the walmart gift card offer, free iphone, laptops ect... all zips and it was up and down for both keyword and URL. Some days I was on top and others I was just under even.

I believe finding the right zip or email submit in media will work, it just sucks going through 100 different offers to find it and tailoring each test to specific keywords and domains so you really can't rotate to see what fits.

I tested a few insurance offers, car insurance and debt relief and nothing... again these were zips submits.

Still going at it with media traffic, I know it works it's just a matter of testing and digging for gold.

Clicksor -

Back in April and May I crushed it with any offer I am sure you're all aware of. Sadly clicksor does not allow it's advertisers access to publishers, so the site that was pulling for me mysteriously dropped out of the network never to be seen again, only to be ID'd with a number. After 5 months of them telling me the publisher's site was down I just gave up. I believe they are telling the truth as I have a good relationship with them.

Ran other zips and email submits with clicksor with success. I will tell you it's a painful to find profitable ones. If you're going to do it test at least 5-10 at a time and have deep pockets, but you can find ones that convert and then it makes up for all the testing dollars lost, or at least that's my philosophy.

Summary

- I am still testing offers daily like a mad scientist, both zip/email and pay per sale offers. I avg around $80-$150 daily profit and I sink most of it back into more and more testing hoping to find more gold.

- Recently I was doing about $300-$450 daily with the big 3 search engines. Like many I've lost my G account, thefore I had to start over again. Yes it was painful to lose $300 and sometimes $600 daily profits, but in retrospect I was relying on one source of traffic and this source dictated my income. Now, to be honest, I am thankful that I have becuase it's opened up so many other advertising sources I'd of never looked for and I don't recommend relying on one source of traffic either.

-I started out being slamed back down to $5 daily profits and have thus far began rebuiling without the big G and my best day so far has been $170 profit. Where there's a will, there's a way.

I'll keep you posted on my progress.
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jerreye 13 years ago

PPV GURU,

Could you please send me the link to the PPV Video tutorial?Thanks!
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13 years ago

i have done ppv before...works with right keywords

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makingmoneyagain

13 years ago

This thread has some great info in it. I've been looking into PPV as well. Can I get a link to the video? Thanks.

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bbrock32

13 years ago

Yeah , I have to confirm that with Media Traffic I've had success only with email and zip submits. I tried a few insurance and edu offers but none of them converted. What's your experience with high paying offers on ppv? Do you think they convert only on TrafficVance?

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tommy_gun

13 years ago

Originally Posted by bbrock32

Yeah , I have to confirm that with Media Traffic I've had success only with email and zip submits. I tried a few insurance and edu offers but none of them converted. What's your experience with high paying offers on ppv? Do you think they convert only on TrafficVance?

i would also like to know if somebody has success with media traffic and high paying offers like health trials..

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Frency

13 years ago

Does anyone know how to track a campaign on MediaTraffic using pop-ups ONLY (no kws) and using Tracking202?

I understand there is a way to do it, but having trouble with specifics on the set up.

Or, has anyone used HyperTracker on MT with Pop-ups only?

Any help appreciated.

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samhandwich 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Frency

Does anyone know how to track a campaign on MediaTraffic using pop-ups ONLY (no kws) and using Tracking202?

I think you just turn on "use target passthrough" and then tracking202 picks it up from there. It has native support for MT

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redstapler

13 years ago

PPV advertising is great, I am really surprised that people are still focusing so much on PPC.
I've been using DirectCPV, and while they were sending a lot of junk before like PPVGuru was saying, i've been finding that it's getting a lot better. I think more people are finding out about the company, and that's generating higher quality traffic.
I used to think that PPV advertising was really intrusive and my users would get angry, but I've never gotten any complaints.

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KnowJack

13 years ago

PPV Guru,
Can you PM me the video link also. I'm a nube so we may need another method though.
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KnowJack

13 years ago

I like the PPV concept. In one case my situation is unique. I have a client that considers a website hit as a conversion. I know, I know, this is strange but they just want relevant traffic, no conversions or sales.

So, based on that, what network do you think will provide the most PPV traffic and the most relevant PPV traffic at the best cost?

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dealmaker007

13 years ago

Originally Posted by KnowJack

I like the PPV concept. In one case my situation is unique. I have a client that considers a website hit as a conversion. I know, I know, this is strange but they just want relevant traffic, no conversions or sales.

So, based on that, what network do you think will provide the most PPV traffic and the most relevant PPV traffic at the best cost?

Well if you ask me there is a lot of "view fraud" out there.

Your client should care whether the traffic is prequalified or not so he or she would know how many people actually would bother to read what's on their website. Whichever network your use you will have to do significant testing within the client's niche to see what works with their creative/content/etc. What is their endgame other than just "hits" to the website? Don't they want subscribers or readers or for people to bookmark or comment on posts or something?

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PPV Affiliate 13 years ago

Traffic Vance will probably give you the most traffic but I think I would try to convince your clients that it's not really hits that matters. Once you can show them the value of targeted traffic they will think you are a genius and probably be willing to pay you a lot more
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J Bold

13 years ago

Think about the demographics of PPV networks. As I understand them, they get most of their users by giving them free games, etc. and to get access to these free games, the users agree to see ads every now and then. Voila, that's what adware is at it's core. So, think about what people who want to play games, i.e. entertainment on the computer, would be interested in viewing. I would suggest things like satellite tv offers, DVD offers, dating, gambling, ringtones, etc. are the kinds of things you should look at. I suppose email submits can work, but I would say go after higher payouts. I did very well on one campaign with Dish Network, basically just getting $10 for giving them users who fill out the form, i.e. a solid lead. Basically, I was spending $10 and getting $20 back, so it was a good campaign.

Now, having said this, I have heard that other people have done well in other demographics with PPV, and some people say any niche can be profitable with PPV, so try it out to your heart's desire. Different people get different results with each niche. I would suggest asking the PPV manager assigned to you what is a good niche to use for their PPV network.

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KnowJack

13 years ago

My client is a manufacturer of construction tools like saws. They are not concerned with conversions, they don't even have anything to convert on their website. Resellers do all of their selling and they just want to build their brand and increase product exposure.

I have talked with them for weeks of the importance of converting, even if they send leads to their resellers, but they haven't budged yet. I did some SEO for them that worked like gangbusters (1 - 3 for multiple keywords on Google, Yahoo and Bing) so they're paying more attention to me now. I'm trying to get them to change their website focus, but it is a long drawn-out effort.

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KnowJack

13 years ago

After redicelander's extremely useful insight it doesn't look like PPV is well suited for a manufacturer of construction equipment.

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unlimitedwealth

13 years ago

One question.

If we build our every own LP for our PPV campaign

PPV >> Landing Page >> Linked cloaked via Prosper202 >> CPA Offer

Technically speaking, is the above could be considered as "non PPV traffic" from CPA network perspective?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by unlimitedwealth

One question.

If we build our every own LP for our PPV campaign

PPV >> Landing Page >> Linked cloaked via Prosper202 >> CPA Offer

Technically speaking, is the above could be considered as "non PPV traffic" from CPA network perspective?

Don't take my word as official, but I believe that you're correct. I think I read somewhere that visitors coming from an LP don't technically count as CPV traffic. You'll definitely want to check with your AM before sending traffic like this to a non-CPV offer.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by unlimitedwealth

One question.

If we build our every own LP for our PPV campaign

PPV >> Landing Page >> Linked cloaked via Prosper202 >> CPA Offer

Technically speaking, is the above could be considered as "non PPV traffic" from CPA network perspective?

No, don't ever assume anything when it comes to CPA networks. It doesn't matter if you are cloaking or not, if you are sending PPV traffic I would make sure the offer you are running accepts it. I wouldn't risk not getting your hard earned commissions.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Roman8389

Don't take my word as official, but I believe that you're correct. I think I read somewhere that visitors coming from an LP don't technically count as CPV traffic. You'll definitely want to check with your AM before sending traffic like this to a non-CPV offer.

Brad

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. Ideally I would like to experiment a single LP where I drive traffic from various sources such as bum marketing, email, ppc, media buys and ppv. Of course, all clicks will be tracked.

I would like to experiment this once I got the approval from the AMs.

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No, don't ever assume anything when it comes to CPA networks. It doesn't matter if you are cloaking or not, if you are sending PPV traffic I would make sure the offer you are running accepts it. I wouldn't risk not getting your hard earned commissions.

You are right. By the way, your PPV Playbook rocks! When are you sending the invitations for the free coaching? I am waiting.

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Originally Posted by unlimitedwealth

You are right. By the way, your PPV Playbook rocks! When are you sending the invitations for the free coaching? I am waiting.

Cool thanks! I am going to email everyone tonight so check your email in a bit
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  PPV Guru can you PM with your video link? THANK YOU
  
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Globe_Trotter13

13 years ago

Very interesting topic in here! At times I was left speechless by what's being discussed in here.
Anyways, I'm slowly starting to study PPV as well. A few days ago, I received an email from Gauher Chaudry as I'm on his list, that PPV2 is available again. A couple of quick questions on this:
Has anyone bought and is using that course? Is it really worth the 900 bucks?
Would you suggest someone just starting in CPA to get that course or is that something for only experienced CPA folks?

I'd appreciate your feedback on this.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Globe_Trotter13

Very interesting topic in here! At times I was left speechless by what's being discussed in here.
Anyways, I'm slowly starting to study PPV as well. A few days ago, I received an email from Gauher Chaudry as I'm on his list, that PPV2 is available again. A couple of quick questions on this:
Has anyone bought and is using that course? Is it really worth the 900 bucks?
Would you suggest someone just starting in CPA to get that course or is that something for only experienced CPA folks?

I'd appreciate your feedback on this.

Cheers.

i think there are really useful informations on ppv2 but i think it's much better if you invest the 900 $ in your ppv budget and find out the things for yourself..this way you will learn much more.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Globe_Trotter13

Very interesting topic in here! At times I was left speechless by what's being discussed in here.
Anyways, I'm slowly starting to study PPV as well. A few days ago, I received an email from Gauher Chaudry as I'm on his list, that PPV2 is available again. A couple of quick questions on this:
Has anyone bought and is using that course? Is it really worth the 900 bucks?
Would you suggest someone just starting in CPA to get that course or is that something for only experienced CPA folks?

I'd appreciate your feedback on this.

Cheers.

I think you would learn more by using the $900 for testing yes. It's a good course but if you are just starting out I would read free blogs and forums to get a better basic understanding of everything. Then if you do buy a course like that you will get a lot more out of it.

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J Bold

13 years ago

Yes, his products are always expensive. The simple fact that he prices it so high builds up the value in people's minds. But, if you are going to be spending that much money for his product, and it's about paid traffic, you better have double or triple that to apply what you learn inside. I haven't bought it, I am just saying. I'm sure it can help, but if you pay that much for something, you better be able to use it. Also, if you pay that much for something, it'd be a waste if you do not put in the time and effort to be successful with what you learn.

Why do I say these things? Because I have made those mistakes myself, in the past.

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ihiustler

13 years ago

why pay for it

i have it but have not looked at it yet

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chassm 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ihiustler

why pay for it

i have it but have not looked at it yet

That's funny, I buy the ones I can afford. I bought Jonathan Mizel's course on media buying, it was a good intro but honestly I personally need a lot more specific and detailed information to get a good grasp on this type of traffic buying. I can't afford Gauher's course not anytime soon, how come you haven't even looked at it yet? I'd be all over it.
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Globe_Trotter13

13 years ago

Thanks guys for the honest feedback. Much appreciated!
I'll focus on other methods for now until I make enough to get to that level, which I eventually will!

Cheers guys.

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ashsmh

13 years ago

After seeing all these discussions finally I jumped and started a campaign on Adon Network. My first PPV campaign. I selected the keywords route since I don't know how to do the URL thing. Hope one day I will learn that and go that route too. Meanwhile, let me see what happens to my first campaign. Bless me. HAHAHA.

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dropship

13 years ago

I believe that PPV is not a "trend" but will be the majority of successful marketer's advertising budget with PPC going way down as each search engine continues to make restrictions....

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by dropship

I believe that PPV is not a "trend" but will be the majority of successful marketer's advertising budget with PPC going way down as each search engine continues to make restrictions....

I agree with that. I also think PPV is going to get a LOT more competitive as more and more people get into it.

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munnacircuit 13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Affiliate

I agree with that. I also think PPV is going to get a LOT more competitive as more and more people get into it.

soo true...as its url targeting...there is only one url and 100s of ppvers bidding on it...

think out of box .. thats only way to servive
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13 years ago

Great tips on ppv.

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13 years ago

For those who are testing Dating offer with CPV traffic, It's the most successful offer with CPV traffic but you need to cloak the offer as well try some niche related offer with Dating keywords and URL's.

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glide21

13 years ago

I've tried Clicksor and was a waste of time with just email submit offers. I've watched Amish Shah's video and he gives a lot away. That includes the campaign, the keywords and the CPV he uses. Well worth checking it out.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by glide21

I've tried Clicksor and was a waste of time with just email submit offers. I've watched Amish Shah's video and he gives a lot away. That includes the campaign, the keywords and the CPV he uses. Well worth checking it out.

I haven't been able to get anything to work on Clicksor, and I've heard the same thing from a lot of affiliates. :\

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KevScarb 13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Affiliate

I haven't been able to get anything to work on Clicksor, and I've heard the same thing from a lot of affiliates. :

Agree with you there David, and I have taken benchmark data from other winning campaigns over to clicksor and nothing has worked.
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chassm

13 years ago

Originally Posted by glide21

I've tried Clicksor and was a waste of time with just email submit offers. I've watched Amish Shah's video and he gives a lot away. That includes the campaign, the keywords and the CPV he uses. Well worth checking it out.

Yeah and I hope the Clicksor Guys jump in on this discussion before the topic changes. Most of what I'm hearing from other people that have tried advertising with Clicksor is that they have had generally bad results. I've spent around $200 so far with two conversions and I think that was just dumb luck.

It really would be great if they could discuss in more detail either on this forum or on their own about how to properly target their audiences, it is also frustrating to not be able to see the websites your ads are appearing on. I know it's beating the dead horse here cause they've already said why they don't show them, but ... why is it so hard to make something work on this network?

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13 years ago

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Can you PM me that link to your video please?

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amaechi007

13 years ago

I love PPV. I've made reasonable money with it. For sure, as years go by, it would become very competitive just like ppc.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by amaechi007

I love PPV. I've made reasonable money with it. For sure, as years go by, it would become very competitive just like ppc.

It's getting competitive already but just like with PPC, affiliates who take the time to learn it, keep testing, and trying new things will continue to make money

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Paul Langham

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Affiliate

It's getting competitive already but just like with PPC, affiliates who take the time to learn it, keep testing, and trying new things will continue to make money

I think alot of it is down to the quality of the LP or ad you are displaying. It all needs to be top quality in order to get conversions.

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yabbiz

13 years ago

I recently tried PPV advertising. In fact, my first campaign is still running. I bought 5000 views from a company called REALPPVTRAFFIC.COM at 1.5 cents/ view. I have had a grand total of 4 opt-ins to my Mailing List and zero signups after almost 3000 clicks! So you see, I AM getting clicks just that nobody is optin in and I have a pretty good squeeze page.
PPV advertising sounds good on paper but my experience with it is that it does not convert. The only ones I know who are saying PPV advertising is the greatest mode of advertising since the early days of PPC are those who are selling ebooks on how to do PPV advertising and those who are actually selling PPV advertising!
Beware of PPV advertising.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by yabbiz

I bought 5000 views from a company called REALPPVTRAFFIC.COM at 1.5 cents/ view.

That's the problem right there. It's kind of like PPC where there are a few networks like Google, Bing, etc that convert good and some 3rd tier ones that convert really bad. With PPV you should stick to the larger, well known networks like Traffic Vance, Media Traffic, Adon Network, etc.

I would really encourage you to try it again with a different network

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wh0kn0ws

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Affiliate

That's the problem right there. It's kind of like PPC where there are a few networks like Google, Bing, etc that convert good and some 3rd tier ones that convert really bad. With PPV you should stick to the larger, well known networks like Traffic Vance, Media Traffic, Adon Network, etc.

I would really encourage you to try it again with a different network

Is it safe to say that Zango is a waste of $ , i mean i see people bidding on the same url's / keywords that I am so there has to be somone making money form it. I am very interested in your one on one you can PM me here please. Im getting discouraged as i have over 500 clicks and 0 conversions on a simpe 5 page lead gen. How much traffic or money do you need to psend before you can see some results? Or is Zango ( leadimpact) crap.

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David_Sierra

13 years ago

Yep, that company doesn't sound very legit. The situation with PPV is a bit ironic in that the network that generally has the best conversions, Trafficvance, also has the highest barrier to entry with its referral-only signups and $1000 minimum deposit. Which means newbies starting out with PPV are forced to start with other networks that convert less well, they become frustrated and give up as a consequence.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by David_Sierra

Yep, that company doesn't sound very legit. The situation with PPV is a bit ironic in that the network that generally has the best conversions, Trafficvance, also has the highest barrier to entry with its referral-only signups and $1000 minimum deposit. Which means newbies starting out with PPV are forced to start with other networks that convert less well, they become frustrated and give up as a consequence.

I thought I read here on this thread that TV was making some changes so that you don't have to start with $1k, is that true? I can't seem to find that post now.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by chassm

I thought I read here on this thread that TV was making some changes so that you don't have to start with $1k, is that true? I can't seem to find that post now.

Hmm...I haven't heard anything about that. I don't know for sure but I would doubt that is true. When I first started there, the initial deposit was $500...I doubt they would go back down but I could be wrong. I'll ask them

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chassm

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PPV Affiliate

Hmm...I haven't heard anything about that. I don't know for sure but I would doubt that is true. When I first started there, the initial deposit was $500...I doubt they would go back down but I could be wrong. I'll ask them

Dude, that would be awesome if you could ask them if there any changes coming up about the minimums. I totally understand what they're doing but I think it really pushes out potential big customers that could drop good money if they provide the type of traffic you guys have been talking about.

Also heard this comment from one of Jonathan Mizel's interviews with some PPV guru that TV is it and nothing else comes close. It's gotta be for a reason.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by chassm

Dude, that would be awesome if you could ask them if there any changes coming up about the minimums. I totally understand what they're doing but I think it really pushes out potential big customers that could drop good money if they provide the type of traffic you guys have been talking about.

Also heard this comment from one of Jonathan Mizel's interviews with some PPV guru that TV is it and nothing else comes close. It's gotta be for a reason.

I'll let you know if I can find out anything.

I'm sure he did say that about his own network :p

TV is great for sure but there is definitley money to be made on other networks

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by chassm

Dude, that would be awesome if you could ask them if there any changes coming up about the minimums. I totally understand what they're doing but I think it really pushes out potential big customers that could drop good money if they provide the type of traffic you guys have been talking about.

Also heard this comment from one of Jonathan Mizel's interviews with some PPV guru that TV is it and nothing else comes close. It's gotta be for a reason.

A couple months ago, Jonathon (TV's VP) stated that they were going to raise the the minimum deposit from $1000 to around $2500 sometime around the new year. I am not sure if it has changed yet.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by David_Sierra

Yep, that company doesn't sound very legit. The situation with PPV is a bit ironic in that the network that generally has the best conversions, Trafficvance, also has the highest barrier to entry with its referral-only signups and $1000 minimum deposit. Which means newbies starting out with PPV are forced to start with other networks that convert less well, they become frustrated and give up as a consequence.

Media Traffic has pretty good conversions, just not as much traffic as Traffic Vance. I recommend people start there because you can see a nice return on your campaigns and the initial deposit isn't as steep.

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guillopuyol

13 years ago

When selecting a campaign in the CPA networks to advertise via PPV, how heavily do you (PPV experts out there) rely on the network's EPC? Do you test out new campaigns with no EPC data? Would you recommend a new PPV marketer does so?

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chinmokuyuuki

13 years ago

Are there good PPV networks out there that allow pay-pal payments?
I don't have a CC and I do not live in the US, so pay-pal credit card is out of the question.

I only know of clicksor at the moment, but getting a campaign up and running is feeling way to slow on clicksor.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by chinmokuyuuki

Are there good PPV networks out there that allow pay-pal payments?
I don't have a CC and I do not live in the US, so pay-pal credit card is out of the question.

I only know of clicksor at the moment, but getting a campaign up and running is feeling way to slow on clicksor.

DirectCPV takes paypal now.

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PPC-Coach

13 years ago

If you're going to join TV, get in there now before the minimum does go up.

PPV still makes me think of those pay per view fight nights that you have to buy on cable t.v. It's CPV folks, not PPV.

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Globe_Trotter13

13 years ago

About 2-3 weeks ago, I had one of those pop ups appear on my screen about getting nice screensavers. I went ahead and installed it as I was looking for some nice screensaves. Now, everytime I go to a site that is even remotely related to money, I get one of those pop ups/offers show up on my screen. For example, when I go to read the Twitter thread in this very WF CPA forum, I get a pop of an offer for some Twitter sysem; when I go to Google, I get one of those google money systems. It's becoming annoying yet funny. So this i what CPV is hey? I'll be honest, I have closed right away 100% of those pop ups, so it's interesting to see that these work and that people are making money on them.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Globe_Trotter13

About 2-3 weeks ago, I had one of those pop ups appear on my screen about getting nice screensavers. I went ahead and installed it as I was looking for some nice screensaves. Now, everytime I go to a site that is even remotely related to money, I get one of those pop ups/offers show up on my screen. For example, when I go to read the Twitter thread in this very WF CPA forum, I get a pop of an offer for some Twitter sysem; when I go to Google, I get one of those google money systems. It's becoming annoying yet funny. So this i what CPV is hey? I'll be honest, I have closed right away 100% of those pop ups, so it's interesting to see that these work and that people are making money on them.

Anyone else has had the same thing happen to them (that is receiving pop ups of offers)?

LOL!

How much would I have to pay you to check out some sites for me?

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crunch

13 years ago

what kinda CTR r u guys seeing with ppv? and what % go onto completing the offer?

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tommy_gun 13 years ago

Originally Posted by crunch

what kinda CTR r u guys seeing with ppv? and what % go onto completing the offer?

it always depends if your'e doing direct linking or use a landingpage and also it varies from offer to offer. so its very difficult to tell you exact numbers
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13 years ago

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13 years ago

Hey guys, some good advice in this thread that's for sure.

I only do CPV marketing (and some facebook, if and when they ever approve my ****ing ads!), and have setup a blog that details my steps, processes and things that I use. It will skip alot of the fluff. If you can't be bothered scowering the internet for how to's, I suggest checking it out.

I have another update coming tonight, which will be a pretty detailed case study.

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bbrock32

13 years ago

You need a landing page to see consistent conversion. I have never had any big success direct linking. However this is my experience , you can tell for sure only by testing it yourself.

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cpa99 13 years ago

Is there a PPV network that allows adult websites like adultfriendfinder or live webcam sites? thanks
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  I'm pretty sure directCPV have an adult category! Just double check first
  
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  We don't actually have an adult category, not yet. We will tho in the next month or two. We just finished rolling out our new advertiser interface. We are also launching a new targeting engine next month and in contextual text advertising.
  
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warriorsteve

13 years ago

I have a Question for the PPV experts in this thread.

To get really targeted URL's they are often over 40 characters in length.

Can you use a segment of the URL as a keyword leaving out the actual top domain?

This would also contain some weird characters such as /, ?, % etc...

I am using Media Traffic.

If the above isn't possible are there ways to target specific pages with long URL,s..?

EXAMPLE youtube.com/results?search_query=skin+care+products&search_typ e=&aq=3s&oq=skincare

Would it be possible to target this specific page & if so How?

Appreciate any help

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FredFarnes

13 years ago

Originally Posted by warriorsteve

EXAMPLE youtube.com/results?search_query=skin+care+products&search_typ e=&aq=3s&oq=skincare

I'm not certain this will be the solution, but try the following on one line.
youtube.com skin+care+products skincare

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13 years ago

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gulftrotter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ChadH

This is an excellent post. With most paid traffic, you can get much cheaper traffic without competition if you think in a sense of demographics. This is how I get high quality media buys for CHEAP.

Hey,

So How to proceed in order to make 500+ daily,
your blueprint would be greatly appreciated

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MikeMorgan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mormuno01

As someone who has made a consistent $500+ PROFIT per day doing CPV, I can tell you that 99% of you guys are targeting what everyone else is cause you guys cannot think outside the box.

I completely agree that thinking outside of the box is what will make you the most money with PPV. So , I always recommend that you use unique techniques and approach that can help you exploit the power of PPV.

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best4mobiles

13 years ago

So what is the best PPV network to use for the best ROI and ones that do not load up sets of 25 pop ups at a time?

I want to avoid getting burnt and get to the best ones.

You seem like a credible person with profound knowledge about PPV so I think you would be a good person to ask. Your opinion would be much valued.

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lukesloot

13 years ago

TrafficVance in by far my favorite network with MediaTraffic in for a close second. It's true that a number of small networks are popping up all over the place and this is great! Competition between networks is always a good thing for the advertisers. As far as PPV/CPV becoming saturated, it's a much smaller pool than you'd really think in the grand scheme of things.

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ChrisBa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lukesloot

TrafficVance in by far my favorite network with MediaTraffic in for a close second. It's true that a number of small networks are popping up all over the place and this is great! Competition between networks is always a good thing for the advertisers. As far as PPV/CPV becoming saturated, it's a much smaller pool than you'd really think in the grand scheme of things.

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I agree, TV > MT > AdON > LI > etc

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rachelle123

13 years ago

Has anyone used Lead Impact? If so, what type of users do they have and have you had any success with them?

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bbrock32 13 years ago

I have used LeadImpact and they are pretty good imho.
They have both USA traffic and international too.
Their traffic can convert pretty good if you know how to target right.
Give them a spin , I think you will like their traffic.
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bestbuddy1986

13 years ago

I just created campaign on clicksor. Campaign is on Education program and its Email submit. Added nearly about 65 keywords. Max cpc set 0.0100. Category :- Society> Education. Its contextual full page pop under. Daily budget set :- 5$

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bbrock32

13 years ago

Clicksor's traffic is sometimes hard to convert, but you should try it yourself to see the results.
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bestbuddy1986

13 years ago

Today when i saw reports:-

1001 impressions but not a single click.

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stephane

13 years ago

CPV are a great traffic source!

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Finch

13 years ago

A couple of my blog posts on PPV that some of you more experienced marketers may find interesting or helpful:

1. Shock Marketing Tactics For PPV Profits - Shock Marketing Tactics For PPV Profits Finch Sells

2. Laser Targeting Your PPV Campaigns - Laser Targeting Your PPV Campaigns Finch Sells

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MikeMorgan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Finch

A couple of my blog posts on PPV that some of you more experienced marketers may find interesting or helpful:

1. Shock Marketing Tactics For PPV Profits - Shock Marketing Tactics For PPV Profits Finch Sells

2. Laser Targeting Your PPV Campaigns - Laser Targeting Your PPV Campaigns Finch Sells

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ChrisBa

13 years ago

one thing i've noticed about cpv/ppv - it is getting very saturated now

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13 years ago

Adon is good in some niches too.

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bushidosurfer

13 years ago

Hi Mormuno01 and Chandh,

Thanks for sharing. I've heard so much lately about demographics and not really understand that until now. Will keep that in mind when running my campaigns.

And Finch, I enjoyed your shocking marketing tactics too. Really thinking out of the box.

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cpa007 13 years ago

TV is great but so many advertisers. It's hard to make money now. Try linksador.com! Not as much traffic and only accept paypal as payment but converts better than mediatraffic and leadimpact
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azizali88

13 years ago

one thing that I do is that always TRACK using prosper 202 without that its a waste of money

I spoke to my rep at DirectCPV and she said that they are having major bidding calculation troubles... so stay away from it for now.

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searchlackey

13 years ago

Pop under/over ads are a pain...

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quickregister

13 years ago

You cannot always blame the networks for poor success. I have seen many ppv campaigns that people have setup and the almost all are terrible. The landing page is too big and does not have a clear call to action 99% of the time. The keywords are generally keywords not a highly targeted list of handpicked related urls (at least 500) and rarely have I seen an extremely compelling offer. You really have to do your homework before spending money on a campaign. Your offer and keywords have to rock.

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quickregister

13 years ago

1 more thing. 3000 views is not much for ppv. It is a pop up or pop under. People see it for a second or so before clicking off. It can take time for you campaign to run. Let it run the full course before you judge completely.

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13 years ago

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japal

12 years ago

What about CPV for building a list, anyone done this and had success? I.e. like getting leads at a low price?

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mark587905

12 years ago

PPV has the potential to make you rich however done incorrectly you can lose everything quickly. Make sure you do your research. Thats all I can say here.

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rockstaradi

12 years ago

I once bought a clickbank guide which taught to use PPV networks for affiliate marketing. I spent $200 on PPV marketing and ended up making around $160 in total affiliate sales. After that loss, I did not go again for PPV.

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Firstrate

12 years ago

PPV is great when you learn how to do it right - pretty much unlimited opportunity.

But like anything you just have to test, test, test.

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philipdenn

12 years ago

I did notice that 85% of my profitable sites were then targeted by their partners where I was getting half a penny per view, the bids were now 5 cents for top position for most of my profitable sites that I targeted.I do believe they had problems.... maybe not, who knows... we'll never know.

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Organic Chem 12 years ago

Trafficvance now gives you an account manager - so things are moving up for them!
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  I thought they always gave you an account manager?
  
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itlnoor

12 years ago

Awesome. That is what I would use to describe this thread. Great suggestions all over the thread. Many experts have chipped in with their observations and results. It is amazing. PPV or CPV as some of you call is a great option. But before entering here we need some testing and fine tuning. May some course on PPV would help. I am looking for the resources.
I would suggest trying PPV first with some cheap networks that allow 5 dollars or 10 dollar campaign to know more about targeting, demographics and other things. Once you know how to do it, you can begin moving to TV or MT.
I read here that TV does not allow people from ASIA. I would like to know why??

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Organic Chem 12 years ago

Dude,

Five dollar or ten dollar campaign- are you kidding. How about $500 per day to get it done right. You need to test many kw fast to see what's converting. The lower you spend, the slower you see what's converting. Hate to burst your bubble.
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mark587905

12 years ago

There is massive bucks to be made with CPV. Dont dive into this without knowing exac tly what your doing though, its easy to burn through your budget if you do it incorrectly. Plenty of training sites out there though!

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singhavn

12 years ago

I tried clicksore and ran many campaigns popunders, contextual, banners,ppv but not even a single one worked for me. They gave 100% bounce rate traffic to my offers so I decided to quit them.

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MikeMorgan

12 years ago

Originally Posted by singhavn

I tried clicksore and ran many campaigns popunders, contextual, banners,ppv but not even a single one worked for me. They gave 100% bounce rate traffic to my offers so I decided to quit them.

As compared to other PPV netwroks , clicksor has bad quility traffic . So , because when ever you use clicksor.

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Soulofinfamy

12 years ago

Can you please elaborate on the rotator? Is this something that Mediatraffic provides or something you link up externally?

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Rauhbautz

11 years ago

Well, I know it was my 1st experience with Clicksor, but I've spent around $20 with only 1 conversion ($1.20 e-mail submit).

What I don't get is that in order to start a profitable PPV campaign you have to know the game. But I how do you start without knowing the game?.. Or is it just the matter of a deeper pocket?